You made me go Brian
Brian,
The other day you wrote something that got me worked up. That Losman was looking good in practice and Edwards wasn't. You wrote that if Edwards struggles, how long would it be before people started calling for Losman. Well I've watched a lot of Losman's play in the last few years and thought this can't be...He looks good in camp? Well I went.
And surprise, he did not look any different...He still would lock in on the first receiver. The defense, even rookies could key in on it on every short throw. He is still good at throwing the long ball, though if the defender jumped the route Losman would throw it anyway. He also stood in the pocket long enough to write a novel because he took too long to make reads, and in turn would have been sacked a silly number of times. And finally Losman still had his patented roll out and spin move, where he gets out of the pocket, then gets confused because the first read was covered. Thus he looks around and a defender is right on top of him and he spins in a complete circle and runs backwards for a sure 15 yd loss. I write patented because no one else does it. (Likely because it is ineffective).
Anyway, he looks no better than last year, or the year before that. He still does the same things well and he still does the same things poorly.
On the other hand Edwards started out slow too. He threw it behind Lee twice in the first 15 minutes. He also dumped it off to the running back numerous times as well as once throwing it into the ground (possibly on purpose). But as the day wore on he started to throw to his first and second reads. He caught Evans in stride across the middle, he threw a 30 yd bomb out of the endzone to, believe it or not...MARSHAWN. And he was never even close to being dropped by the defense.
Obviously I am an Edwards fan and not a Losman fan, but if they pull out Edwards to put Losman back in...for any reason other than injury...it is a mistake. Also to say Losman looks good in camp and Edwards doesn't is a farce. Losman looks good at throwing the long ball in camp. And the long ball is what most people key in on. He still struggles with all other facets of football.
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I used to be a JP fan,
but have seen the light. JP just can’t make the reads under pressure. Even if JP’s light comes on and he becomes the next Farve, it will not be with the Bills. JP will never sign with the Bills again!
by Joe P. on
Aug 5, 2008 9:33 AM EDT
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Please pardon my ignorance and confusion.
Great post. Thanks, mckelvin.
Here’s what I think about J.P. Losman. He is one of the most physically talented quarterbacks in the NFL. Losman can make plays that other quarterbacks will never be able to make. When he’s on the field, he challenges and stretches defenses vertically and forces them to defend the entire field. I could write a long post on the value of arm strength and the impact that it has on the game; it has multiple layers that many fans don’t seem to realize and underestimate its value. Losman has good intagibles: he’s competitive, tough, confident, works hard, and he’s a good teammate.
Here’s what I don’t understand about J.P. Losman. At this point in his career, Losman must know his primary weakness: reading defenses and going through his progressions. He either has seen it himself, and/or teammates and coaches have told him. After everything Losman has been through, he must realize: fix it or else, and if he does fix it, watch out. Yet, this post indicates that he’s still having the same old problems and I don’t understand why. I think reading defenses and going though your progressions is something that can be improved and corrected with coaching and experience. It seems so simple. So what’s Losman’s problem? Intelligence? Bad habits? Greed? Pride?
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
by Fort Worth on
Aug 5, 2008 11:22 AM EDT
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Losman
Seems to me he’s just slow grasping the flow of the play (which, in his defense, is very fast at the NFL level) and has trouble judging the correct timing to make his throw (apart from long vertical routes, of course, but then he has slightly longer there to process what he has to do).
Potential: That’s what made it so hard for me to pull the plug on my expectations for JP – he’s got a ton of potential, probably more than Edwards does, to be honest. He just doesn’t have that “it” that Edwards does when it comes to carrying the offense on his shoulders.
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by Blitz on
Aug 5, 2008 11:42 AM EDT
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arm strength
10 years ago it was the most overrated aspect of playing QB. A half of a Tom Brady career later and I agree with you, the media has now over compensated and has made arm strength an underrated QB attribute.
by kaisertown on
Aug 5, 2008 12:30 PM EDT
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Ha… anything I can do to help. :)
Thanks for the update on Losman – your report is a stark contrast from what I saw from him a week ago today. Good read.
by Brian Galliford on
Aug 5, 2008 12:51 PM EDT
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Can't find it.
What did you see from Losman a week ago?
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
by Fort Worth on
Aug 5, 2008 1:06 PM EDT
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Woops. Meant to say “read”, and I guess it was over the weekend…
by Brian Galliford on
Aug 5, 2008 1:10 PM EDT
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Thanks, Brian.
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
by Fort Worth on
Aug 5, 2008 1:41 PM EDT
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Edwards' "mental capacity"
What is this nonsense? His “presence”? His “game management”? What exactly are you folks talking about and how are you measuring this crap? How can any Bills fan be a “Losman fan” or an “Edwards fan” at this point? Losman had a thoroughly disappointing, star-struck first four years in the league and it’s ridiculous that Jauron has brought him back for a 5th season when the team has benched him four times already in his career. If Edwards got hurt, how can you turn to someone a 5th time to lead your team and expect it to work? Edwards’ 4 games with an offensive touchdown out of 9 starts statistic is so mind-boggling that it borders on insane that Buffalo brought him back without a true fall back plan to lead the team again. I’,m still waiting for a true comparison of a rookie starting QB who was that bad his 1st year and was brought back to start uncontested in his second year. Sure, Edwards youth is nice because he has so much room to improve, but please stop it with the vague compliments about the guy- it’s nothing but ridiculous grasping…Edwards was AWFUL in 2007 so whatever “mental capacity” or “pocket presence” he has displayed to this point has been, like his arm-strength and speed, not good enough for the NFL.
Never forget 56-10. Revenge.
by SuperFan82 on
Aug 5, 2008 9:44 PM EDT
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Wow - did Trent kick sand in your face at the beach?
Just remember – a QB gets too much of the credit as well as too much of the blame. Give the guy a little break. He was a rookie playing for a lousy OC and backed by a defense that couldn’t get off of the field. I’d pick him over a lot of guys in the league.
by krytime on
Aug 5, 2008 11:46 PM EDT
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Look, we all agree that he could have played better last season. There’s no contesting that fact. But you have to see SOMETHING you like about the guy. The Bills obviously do. We all do. I don’t understand your hell-bent aggression against the guy when he stands a very good chance at getting much better and much more experienced in 2008.
by Brian Galliford on
Aug 6, 2008 6:38 AM EDT
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hell-bent aggression?
I’m not against Trent Edwards. That’s ridiculous, but don’t tell me I HAVE to see something I like in Edwards because he was least productive Bills’ QB I’ve ever seen and unlike some homers, my criticism for Bills’ failures isn’t limited to people who we’ve rid ourselves of (Donahoe, Fairchild, Losman, etc.) as that’s a policy that boils down to scape=goating and scape-goating is nothing but Bills PR. Bad play is bad play, no matter how you prop it up.. Edwards is the best option the Bills have and the key to their entire season. I’m just asking for some explanation about the evaluation of his play that’s been propped up by these vague statements that have no meaning and can’t be measured. He’s a serious question mark and propping up his horrible 2007 season with these cliches sounds sad to me. Losman’s out because he wasn’t productive. Edwards is in because (fill in the blank)...
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by SuperFan82 on
Aug 6, 2008 6:52 AM EDT
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What?!?
I guess I can’t see where I made any of the vague statements about QB play? I just made observations of actual plays…i.e. threw behind the guy, hit Lee in stride, stood in pocket too long, lock on the first reciever, hit marshawn with a deep throw. What are you talking about?
by mckelvin on
Aug 6, 2008 7:21 AM EDT
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He’s not talking about your assessment of Losman. :)
by Brian Galliford on
Aug 6, 2008 8:07 AM EDT
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Enjoyed your post
My response was nothing more than an exasperated reaction to reading my fellow Bills’ fans’ opininions on Trent Edwards. My mind just automatically skips to the next sentence everytime I read Edwards’ buzz words like “poise” or “intelligence” or “game mangement” or any of the rest of that crap. After awhile though, you realize that you’re pretty much skipping everything written about the guy and I’d like some honest, real evaluation about the most important player on the most important team in the world in my eyes. The cliches just don’t do it for me in selling Edwards. The 5 starts out of 9 without an offensive touchdown does.
Never forget 56-10. Revenge.
by SuperFan82 on
Aug 6, 2008 6:44 PM EDT
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Ha, I wasn’t “telling” you anything. It was more a confused plea – you don’t see anything you like about the guy?
by Brian Galliford on
Aug 6, 2008 8:06 AM EDT
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Maybe his height?
Never forget 56-10. Revenge.
by SuperFan82 on
Aug 6, 2008 7:04 PM EDT
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Vague Statements?
How about this one: Edwards has “it” and Losman doesn’t. “It” is a cliche and a copout for those that don’t know the real problem or the real solution. Will someone please tell me WHY Losman (per mckelvin’s post) has not improved his reads and progressions?
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
by Fort Worth on
Aug 6, 2008 9:55 AM EDT
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SuperFan82 - I'm guessing you never saw Bruce Mathison play, did you?
Trust me – Edwards looks like Montana and Elway rolled up into one compared to that guy.
by krytime on
Aug 6, 2008 12:42 PM EDT
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Edwards is not Favre.
Someone once said that playing quarterback in the NFL is the most difficult position an athlete can play in a team sport. Tough physically when a Wilfork intentionally knifes into your knee with all your weight on it, and tough mentally because you have to see everything in 3 seconds or less and make a decision… or get creamed.
Edwards didn’t have an All Pro season in 2007. He didn’t have a super bowl team under him either. He’s young, inexperienced and under the maximum amount of pressure you can put a player under in the NFL.
Look at the so-called c__p that you seem to minimize. Others would call these intangibles: he’s smart, he’s a fast learner (those aren’t the same thing), he knows what the coaches want out of him and is willing to work in the system, he shows signs that he could be a team leader if he can back it up with his performance, he has his team-mates’ backs (nee Peters), and is willing to put in the time and extra work you need to perform in this league by improving his own conditioning, and putting in extra time with Evans, Hardy, and Jenkins.
If there’s one sobriquet I’ve learned in the last two years of this regime, it’s this: Wilson is not Dan Snyder, Brandon is not Jerry Jones, Jauron is not Bill Parcells, and Edwards is not Favre.
Having said that, we may still have a very good football team in western New York this year.
by Defensewinsgames on
Aug 6, 2008 6:55 AM EDT
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Intangibles
are intangibles because they cannot be measured. They are vague qualities that cannot be quantified but contribute significantly to a QB’s success or failure. The most important qualities a QB has to have are these intangibles, which include being able to consistently make the right decisions while under tremendous time pressure. Edwards has shown he has more of this intangible than JP.
Thanks, Defensewinsgames for your comments regarding Edwards. Everyone tend to forget that he was only a rookie last year, and that rookie QB’s generally do not perform that well, let alone start. Rookie QB’s that shine are the exception rather than the rule. Witness Alex Smith, Jason Campbell, and Tavaris Jackson. None of them have exactly lit up the scoreboard, either. Jim Kelly was an exception because he had already played for a few years in the USFL before he came to Buffalo.
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by Blitz on
Aug 6, 2008 10:30 AM EDT
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I get the concept
I don’t get the application though. I see intangibles as a way to describe the success of a player who doesn’t have all the talent and measurables with which you’d generally associate it. Think of Doug Flutie or someone like that. I hardly think Edwards’ stint as the starting QB called for searching for an explanation for how he was able to accomplish what he did. If anything his season called for questioning why someone who missed half his senior year at one of the worst Division 1 teams in the country was put into the situation to be the backup QB as a rookie to shakey #1 in Losman. I’d like to see what you guys see in Edwards, but I guess I’m asking for a better explanation than a litany of inapplicable intangibles.
Never forget 56-10. Revenge.
by SuperFan82 on
Aug 6, 2008 6:58 PM EDT
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well
If intangibles are a way to describe the success of a player, as you put it, then doesn’t going 5-4 as a starter in a rookie season against some tough opponents count for anything?
McKelvin and Hardy - rookies of the year
by poz on
Aug 6, 2008 10:10 PM EDT
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@NE: Losman start (no decision); Edwards: LOSS, 1 offensive TD
NYJ: WIN, 2 offensive TDs
DAL: LOSS, 0 offensive TDs
BAL: WIN, 1 offensive TD
@NYJ: Edwards (NO DECISION), Losman: win, 0 offensive TDs w/ Edwards
@WAS: WIN, 0 offensive TDs
MIA: WIN, 4 offensive TDs
@CLE: LOSS, 0 offensive TDs
NYG: LOSS, 3 offensive TDs
@PHL: LOSS, 0 offensive TDs
Edwards played the majority of 10 games and his W/L record was 4-5.
In those 10 games, Buffalo scored OFFENSIVE TOUCHDOWNS just 11 times. Think about that. Edwards was the QB of the Bills for the majority of 10 games and led the team to TD drives just 11 times. That’s mind boggling.
Edwards started 9 times and led the team to touchdown drives in just 4 of those games.
If you call that “success”, maybe that’s where I can’t find common ground with you guys. If you want to make excuses for Edwards, I agree to some extent. He probably wasn’t ready to be the backup QB, let alone a player that played in the majority of 10 NFL games. But excuses aside, Edwards was a disaster last season. I don’t see these reported intangibles and I’m not sure where you guys see them. I agree with the idea below about reserving true judgement on QBs until they’ve had three seasons, but there’s no reason Buffalo HAD to hitch their wagon to this guy. He was a late 3rd round pick; it’s not like he was the 1st pick of the draft, making it imperative that Buffalo see what they can get out of him because of the salary cap implications. If you agree that Edwards’ production wasn’t good enough, you have to think it would have made sense to challenge this guy for the job in 2008. As the original post here reported, Losman is not up to that challenge. Now, an entire roster that’s ready to contend is going to be held back by a 3rd round talent on training wheels for no good reason. What a shame and what could that reason be? (I’m sure Wilson likes starting QBs who make less than veteran kickers). I can’t lie and say I see this development as a success just as I can’t kid myself and say that what Edwards did last year was successful (no matter how glad I would be to do so). Maybe we have different ideas of what the team’s standards should be and that’s where I find all talk of Edwards from some Bills fans to be so mind-numbingly frustrating.
Never forget 56-10. Revenge.
by SuperFan82 on
Aug 6, 2008 10:50 PM EDT
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sure but
I don’t think anyone is crowning him as this golden QB. As you said Losman is not up to the challenge and I agree some competition for Edwards would be nice. But who exactly did you have in mind? Another rookie QB through the draft? Its not like there were free agents out there and I think the team did the right thing in free agency by addressing more pressing needs. Mostly that hole at linebacker known as Ellison, with Mitchell and our porous interior line, with Stroud. The options at QB were essentially Daunte Culpepper, Josh McCown, Quinn Gray, Cleo Lemon, and Jared Lorenzen. Fact is, none of these guys would have been up to the challenge and more than Losman, probably less so. In the end, Edwards did rack up two of those losses, according to your record keeping, against the two teams that appeared in the Super Bowl.
Did Edwards do poorly in every statistical category last year? Yes. Is he the definitive answer? We don’t know. But he seems anxious to learn the ropes and lead and he releases the ball quickly. Good signs for a rookie. Your points are very valid my friend, but I don’t know if bringing in those QBs for an open competition would be worth it. Do you?
McKelvin and Hardy - rookies of the year
by poz on
Aug 6, 2008 11:19 PM EDT
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Did Edwards do poorly in every statistical category last year? Yes
I really disagree and thought Edwards had a solid statistical season. I’ve been meaning to put together a fanpost about how Edwards season total stats are really skewed by his first ever NFL appearance (against the best team in the league no less) and his abysmal performance in the bad weather games near the end of the season. I should be able to find some time in the next couple days to really dive deep into the numbers. Without having done too much research yet, I will go as far as to say that Edwards’ numbers are much better than your typical rookie QB.
by kaisertown on
Aug 6, 2008 11:42 PM EDT
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I guess that was the underlying idea
behind my statements yesterday, that Edwards stacks up favorably against other rookie QB’s (not just the current crop, either).
As far as intangibles go, two QB’s I can think of right off the cuff are Joe Montana and Tom Brady. Even though they didn’t/don’t have the strongest arms in the game, they had/have the mental part of the game down better than many other QB’s. I guess I see that tendency in Trent’s game. I don’t believe he’s anywhere near their level at this point, but he’s shown me enough that he’s a keeper in my book. I think the new wrinkles that Turk is installing this year will help Edwards out a lot, by playing to his strengths. Don’t forget, Edwards was a bit handcuffed last season by Fairchild’s play-calling. I will admit Trent didn’t look good late in the season, but I’ll cut him some slack on that one and see how he does this year. Who knows? Maybe he will surprise us in a good way.
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by Blitz on
Aug 7, 2008 11:07 AM EDT
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Handcuffed
I think Edwards’ inexperience, inability and/or lack of confidence to make certain throws handcuffed Fairchild’s gameplans and play-calling. The quarterback touches the ball on every play; you can’t hide a weakness at quarterback.
Great plays don’t make great players; great players make great plays.
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
by Fort Worth on
Aug 7, 2008 11:41 AM EDT
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"but he’s shown me enough that he’s a keeper in my book."
Blitz, I guess this is where I lose patience with my fellow- Bills’ fans in trying to talk myself into Edwards. What is the “enough” in your statement? Your keeper at QB is a pretty important decision- what makes you agree with Jauron’s decision to tie the whole team’s success to such an unsuccessful QB (in terms of production) with no fallback plan in place. I just don’t think the “intangible” argument covers it.
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by SuperFan82 on
Aug 7, 2008 6:37 PM EDT
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Edwards
Some people are convinced he is our QB for the long term, other say no way (like you), and then there’s others who are skeptical but hopeful (me). Why has Edwards shown you enough that he isn’t the guy, but anyone who says he’s seen enough good things out of Edwards is wrong?
I just don’t understand how you can criticize some others for thinking Edwards is the guy and liking what they’ve seen from him, while you are pretty much convinced there is no way he’ll be anything special due entirely to his performance as a rookie. A rookie season where there were few weapons around him and he had to play in adverse conditions numerous times. I know Edwards struggled mightily at times last year, but he also showed some encouraging signs. I’m not convinced he’s the guy who will lead us back to the playoffs and hopefully the promised land, but I’m also not convinced he’s a bum that has no chance to succeed because he only led us to 11 TD’s in his rookie season. I also didn’t realize that the offense’s struggles were ALL his fault.
~K
by Kurupt on
Aug 8, 2008 9:37 AM EDT
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well said K
McKelvin and Hardy - rookies of the year
by poz on
Aug 8, 2008 12:09 PM EDT
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Couldn't be more wrong here
Kurupt, I enjoy reading your thoughts but your post above his out of character for you. When did I ever say there’s “no way” Edwards is the answer at QB for the Bills or criticize all who do. My criticism is only reserved for propping up his undeniably horrible rookie season with cliches you guys call intangibles. My point is that Edwards was so bad last season and he is so cheap for a starting QB, that it makes no sense for Buffalo to gamble their whole season away by not having an alternative to Edwards in case he fails to improve tremendously. I merely asked for Edwards’ fan club to help make me understand what they saw in him that has them so optimistic. Obviously, the struggles of the team were not entirely his fault, Kurupt, but when the vaunted Bills front office does not upgrade the OL at any position (Fowler) and passes on bringing in a veteran receiver or TE to push Reed and Royal out, they’re make it clear that they see their offensive personnel as pretty close to complete and so the improvement is going to come from Edwards. My question as a Bills fan is why gamble so blindly? I merely asked the Edwards fan club to explain why the gamble isn’t purely blind. What I get is alot of crap about Bill Walsh. That’s not encouraging and it’s also sad that any attempt to discuss the actual “concerns” of this team’s fortune (not related to our DEs) is met with such fierce resistance rather than a thoughtful give and take.
Never forget 56-10. Revenge.
by SuperFan82 on
Aug 9, 2008 11:48 AM EDT
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First of all, the term “fan club” is so disgusting for me to hear. You’re not the only one who’s used it, Nick, but the guy plays for the Bills. Aren’t we, then, all part of his fan club? I digress (or “digest”, if I’m Peter Griffin)...
I’ll tell you exactly why the front office “gambled blindly”. I’ll re-term it, though, to “avoided QB controversy”. The single biggest problem that this franchise has had since the retirement of Jim Kelly is the QB position. Buffalo gets a guy they like, but they’ve been known to flip-flop at quarterback so often that they never get a good look at the guys – or, at least, the look they should get. Case in point: J.P. Losman. It’s become pretty clear that he’s not the answer, but it took the team far too long to figure that out.
So they’re handing the reins to Edwards without a viable stop-gap plan behind him. I don’t see any reason why that’s a bad thing. There’s no controversy. There’s faith, even if you term it “blind”. It’s a sign that the front office realizes that they’ve made mistakes with this position in the past – and now they’ve got a guy who they can buck the trend with. This team is building for the long-term, and finding a “alternative to Edwards” could eventually stunt the team’s growth as it has so many times in the past.
You can agree or disagree with their building for the long term rather than the short term. But they’re taking a different route at QB than they have in the past, and I don’t see it as a bad thing at all. That gamble alone is the reason for many people’s optimism – we can sense the organization’s faith, and while we should remain skeptical and objective about that faith, it’s also intoxicating.
by Brian Galliford on
Aug 9, 2008 2:01 PM EDT
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Well, I certainly see evidence of intoxication…just one more quick question and I’ll shut up and enjoy the game tonight where hopefully I will be made witness to the unquestionable maturation of Trent Edwards that will have me feeling we’re covered at the position and ready to compete- is avoidance really a good problem-solving technique? I always suspected all those communication classes I took for my minor in college were a waste of time, but they were pretty clear on avoidance and passive aggression being the worst way to problem-solve in post-adolescent interaction. If Edwards sucks this year (and again, I’m not saying he will- I’m just saying its still a strong possibility based on his play last season), why is it a good thing that we avoided a way to save the season? Wouldn’t the Edwards you and Jauron envision beat out any challenge anyway? If he plays well there wouldn’t be any “flip-flopping” for the team to worry about and isn’t his playing well the point of his being on the team. I just think the fear of QB controversy is just another lame demonstration of how Dick Jauron operates in a passive, timid, reactive way regarding his job. Even if Edwards is a revelation this season and is Pro Bowl caliber (and I’m sorry to break the stereotype laid out about my thoughts as a Bills fan from the post above, but that is my sincere hope), operating on faith out of a desire to avoid tough decisions reflects very poorly on the man in charge of my team. All operations should be motivated by strengthening the chances that the Bills win their next game and nothing else. I think you (and Jauron) are selling Edwards short in saying that he couldn’t handle the safeguarding the team’s most important position in the most important of seasons for this franchise.
Never forget 56-10. Revenge.
by SuperFan82 on
Aug 9, 2008 2:45 PM EDT
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Wait a minute… the Bills are “operating on faith out of a desire to avoid tough decisions”? Since the hell when was handing the reigns of your franchise to a guy with less than a season’s worth of starting experience NOT a tough decision?
I wasn’t selling Edwards short, either, I was selling the coaches short. Possibly the fans too. You can’t tell me that if the Bills had brought in Chad Pennington (as an example!) that if the Bills started 0-2, fans wouldn’t be calling for the switch. That won’t happen this year – and if it does, well, it will be the feeblest attempt at a QB switch from the fan base in quite some time.
I don’t see avoidance here at all – just a different tactic. And clearly, our philosophies clash – you’re playing for the 2008 season, and I’m playing for the long-term. That’s ultimately where the difference of opinion on any QB issue comes from (just look at the NY Jets). So I think anybody you’re disagreeing with is playing the same long-term card I am.
Ultimately it comes down to this: I think Edwards needs a full season for better or worse, just to take a stab at answering the question that’s plagued this franchise since 1997. You think Edwards can be good, but if he isn’t, we should have signed somebody to perhaps salvage a respectable season, but ultimately doesn’t bring us any closer to answering the QB question than if Edwards flops.
by Brian Galliford on
Aug 9, 2008 3:03 PM EDT
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Don’t you think it’s ridiculous to put the potential reaction of the fans in a hypothetical scenario over putting together the strongest team possible? I sure do.
Never forget 56-10. Revenge.
by SuperFan82 on
Aug 9, 2008 4:19 PM EDT
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I’m not saying it was a deciding factor in the Bills’ not changing anything at QB. I’m positive it wasn’t a factor at all. I’ve tried to make clear (apparently not well enough) that getting behind one QB for the first time in forever was the deciding factor. Also, I did say “possibly the fans”... but definitely the coaches are at fault. I cringe at the idea of Losman starting at some point this season, unless via injury…
by Brian Galliford on
Aug 9, 2008 5:08 PM EDT
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Losman
If you cringe at Losman starting (and so do I), then they should have brought in someone else for the backup/safety net role. I think a lot of folks around here are afraid to give an honest appraisal of Edwards’ play because the only alternative that Jauron gave himself for anything unforseen is Losman. Its ridiculous to go back to him for any reason after they benched him 4 times. You can get behind a starter while at the same time providing yourself some slack in case it doesn’t work- its not either/or like you make it out to be.
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by SuperFan82 on
Aug 9, 2008 7:04 PM EDT
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How much is "enough" for you?
What does Trent Edwards have to achieve to get your approval? As I mentioned previously, he stacks up well as a rookie QB against other rookie QB’s (past and present). Plus, he got a pretty solid endorsement from the late Bill Walsh, who was known for his ability to size up QB talent.
That said, I’m sure we’ll revisit this topic sometime down the road. Are you sure Trent didn’t kick sand in your face at the beach?
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Aug 8, 2008 10:07 AM EDT
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I withold all judgement on QBs till 3 seasons of starting
If the guy can’t hack it by then, then get rid of him. I mean, lets look at some other guys out there in crappy situations as well. Alex Smith, and Jason Campell have now both been in 8 different offenses in their 7 years combined in the league. Tavaris Jackson is not that great a QB, but the team is giving him the that 3rd year needed to see if he “gets” the game.
I don’t really care who the hell the Bills QB is if he is a young player, they MUST give them a chance to grow. They didn’t with JP and for that I am angry, and I hope they don’t repeat it with Trent. The team for many years rather just admit we needed to burn the roster to the ground and rebuild went for a half-ass rebuild, but try to compete on the cheap plan of which we are still digging out. Among the casualties has been JPs development as a QB. I thought picking him late in the 1st was a bad idea, but wanted the best for him. The FO screwed it up as did the old coaching staff, and thankfully it looks like DJ is going to sink or swim with Trent.
It sucks for Losman, and it could horribly backfire on us with Trent either getting hurt or being ineffective, but let me point something out. Our team is right NOW built to compete for the next 3-5 years for a playoff spot. The majority of our best players are under long term contracts, and seem happy to be here. All we need to do is give our team’s QB, WHOEVER it is some time to grow.
If its Trent I think we will see some steady but unspectacular progress this season as long as he does not miss long stretches of time, or if DJ goes into yo-yo mode with Trent and JP (btw, Trent was drafted on DJ’s watch, not JP and very very very few coaches will use the old QB if they can have their own, tough to swallow, but JP wasn’t Farve when DJ arrived). Then we find out in the ‘09-’10 campaign whether or not he makes that 3rd year leap. JPs leap was stunted by a FO with a schizoid personality and must be let go, if he recovers and become good somewhere else, good for him. If not, I hope he invested his cash wisely.
Either way, alot of the blame rests with the FO, and we MUST be patient, its like growing plants, you can water, keep it in the right amount of sunlight and make sure it has the right soil and usually you get a nice plant. Or you can forget to water it regularly, put it in nutrient poor soil, and dig it up daily to see if it has grown and by doing so you either have a dead plant (career) or something that is not what it should be (JP anyone?). I know the FO dug up JP on a regular basis, thus a mangled and poor plant. Hopefully with Trent they will water that plant and keep on doing the right things to make him grow as a player.
Fear the mighty helmet wearing gopher, he is coming for your soul....
by WABillsfan on
Aug 6, 2008 4:29 AM EDT
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There are no rules. Never say never.
See Terry Bradshaw and Drew Brees. Eli Manning…stay tuned.
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
by Fort Worth on
Aug 6, 2008 10:04 AM EDT
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