Bills struggle defensively in pre-season opener
The Buffalo Bills opened up their 2008 pre-season schedule Saturday night in Washington, where the team dropped a 17-14 decision in an up-and-down performance.
Buffalo's offense struggled for consistency and the defense had some issues preventing Washington from picking up chunks of yardage, but as it was the first pre-season game of the season, the Bills looked like most fans expected them to: promising, but maddeningly inconsistent.
Many thanks to the eight Rumblers who joined me this evening in the open game thread; it was a bit livelier than I expected for such a bleak affair. Kudos to Ron from NM, whose 79 comments led the way this evening (closely followed by Kurupt's 75); many thanks to Cinga, SuperFan82, Bluebill, Thronsen, Krenn and billsstein for stopping by as well.
Back to the important stuff: what happened on the field. The DVR was set and we'll be breaking down the nitty gritty elements of the game over the next two days for a far more detailed recap, but there are some first impressions I'd like to share as well.
O-Line Surprises (Good and Bad)
Playing sans Jason Peters, Buffalo's re-tooled offensive line didn't perform as poorly as I expected them to this evening. Their effort in the run game was poor, as Bills runners had issues finding holes, and they made some mistakes with a few false starts. The pass protection, on the whole, was very good, however; J.P. Losman took one sack on a safety blitz and there were a few hits, but otherwise, Bills quarterbacks had plenty of time to throw. Langston Walker looked pretty good working against Jason Taylor as well.
Clearly, Turk Schonert noticed that his running game wasn't working, as he dialed up 30 passing attempts as compared to just 21 rushes. There are some kinks to be worked out in the aerial attack, but it's plain to see that there is promise. Schonert displayed a knack for mixing up tempo (which we've discussed before), and it kept Washington's defense a bit off balance throughout the evening. It's not close to being season ready, however, so expect to see a lot more passing throughout the pre-season. The Bills dialed up a lot of short throws - they're either now a permanent staple to the offense, or they were just making the job easier on their offensive line.
Crunching some Numbers
Trent Edwards struggled. He completed just 1 of 5 passes for 18 yards; he had one pass dropped (Derek Schouman), one that he forced and was nearly intercepted (Schouman), and had a miscommunication with James Hardy that led to an ugly incompletion. There was no rhythm to the passing offense with him under center; that should change as he's allowed to play a bit longer into these games.
Collectively, Bills quarterbacks completed 17 of 30 passes for 181 yards, a touchdown and no interceptions. They were sacked once.
Buffalo's rushing attack was terrible: the Bills collectively rushed 21 times for 67 yards and lost two fumbles on the night (one Dwayne Wright, one Xavier Omon - consider their position battle a push). I'm going to attribute their poor performance to the offensive line for now.
Quick Offensive Observations
James Hardy proved tonight that he doesn't need to be completely comfortable with the offense or the speed of the NFL to make a difference; his size makes him an impact player. His touchdown reception was a thing of beauty; Losman threw it up to the big guy, and Hardy brought it in one-handed. Very good stuff; if he keeps making plays like that, we'll forget about his missed assignments and drops (which he made tonight as well).
Good for J.P. Losman. Sure, he was playing second-stringers, but he looked good (7/9, 73 yards, touchdown). He also looked more confident out there than Edwards did. Everyone knows he's had a raw deal, and the fact that he's still performing and still keeping quiet speaks volumes about his character. He's a good team guy.
Other offensive players I was impressed with: Fred Jackson, Justin Jenkins, Derek Fine, Xavier Omon (from a blitz pickup perspective). Will have more to say about this in the Film Session.
Defense Shows Fundamental Error
Buffalo's top defensive unit held Clinton Portis to just 7 carries for 18 yards (and a TD), but all of Buffalo's defensive units showed a weakness: this team struggled mightily to stop Washington's draw plays. Playing on a defensive line hell-bent at getting penetration play in and play out, the 'Skins ran draw after draw, eating up large chunks of yardage on the ground. Washington ran for 155 yards on the night.
Tackling was part of the problem, but the bigger issue was fundamentals. Outside of Paul Posluszny (who was hitting like a mack truck tonight), Buffalo's linebackers and blitzing safeties have a tendency to duck, rather than take on, blocks. So when Washington ran the draw, Buffalo's front four would over-run the play, and then the second layer of defenders would literally run themselves out of the play as well. Ko Simpson was especially brutal in this aspect; he also got lit up on a safety blitz by Portis.
CB Battle Royale
I'm going to have to pay closer attention to the cornerback position in the Film Session, because I saw some good and some bad things from nearly every player involved there. Ashton Youboty had the best game of any cornerback at first glance, proving he's a tough tackler and recording an interception on Todd Collins. Reggie Corner also made a few plays (and was burned a few times as well). I'll leave it at that for now; again, I'll come back with more detail in the Film Session.
Kennard Cox may not be a part of this battle for much longer (not that he was heavily involved to begin with). The rookie seventh-round pick played the majority of his reps at free safety, where his play was very sub-par. Buffalo's top six corners saw most of the playing time (other than Terrence McGee, who sat this one out and was replaced by Youboty in the lineup); I don't recall seeing Dustin Fox on the field at all.
Leodis McKelvin played well. He, too, ducked a block at the wrong time which allowed Redskins RB Ladell Betts to walk into the endzone for a touchdown, but his coverage was otherwise very good, as was his tackling. He also had two excellent returns - one kick return (37 yards) and one punt return (45 yards).
Quick Special Teams Observations
I'll be paying close attention to the long-snapping situation in the Film Session, because there was a terrible snap on the field goal attempt that Rian Lindell blew that could have tied the game.
The coverage units were superb. John DiGiorgio forced a fumble on the game's opening kickoff (recovered by Lindell) and is clearly the unit's leader. He's a shoo-in for special teams captain. Washington's return men were bottled up easily all night. Bobby April is one heck of a coach.
On the game's first punt, Roscoe Parrish and McKelvin were both lined up deep to receive. McKelvin fair caught the punt, but it's proof that April is going to get the ball in the hands of all three of his elite return threats.
Miscellaneous: Buffalo escaped this game without any major injuries (or minor ones, for all we know at the moment). Keep knocking on that wood, folks.
Player of the Game: QB J.P. Losman (7 of 9, 73 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT)
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We certainly did not look like a playoff team. I will stand by my statement Months ago. This team is a 7-9 team, with a chance of 8-8. Please don’t bore me with the “relax it’s just the first pre-season game”, we need to be realistic in that this team has improved but is not playoff ready.
by Buffalonian on Aug 9, 2008 11:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i recorded the game because im at work.......however.....being that it is only the first preseason game
and the second for the Skins…...i would like to assume that it is the rust factor playing a part of the game…..like I said I havent watched it yet (tonight when i get home from work) plus as you know…...(or as you should know) its still gonna take some time for the team to “gel” no one is really SUPER BOWL or playoff ready in August…....its a build up process.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 9, 2008 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I’ve been realistic this whole off-season, Buffalonian – I don’t believe I’ve once claimed that this is a playoff team. If you’re bored with the “relax it’s just the first pre-season game”, well then, you’re just going to have to deal with it, because that’s exactly what it is.
This is definitely not the time to freak out. If they play like that in the third pre-season game, be my guest. But this was the first time they’ve played live football in 8 months. It’s not the end of the world. (I seem to be saying this a lot.)
by Brian Galliford on Aug 10, 2008 6:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why is it that when you state the obvious, it’s that your freaking out. you know it and I know it, what we saw last night was something to be concerned about.
by Buffalonian on Aug 10, 2008 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what did we see?
Schouman unable to catch a couple of passes. Hardy, in his first game make a bunch or mistakes. A defense that looked a lot like last year, but then again Stroud and Schobel barely played and Whitner and McGee didn’t suit up at all. An offensive line that didn’t run block well without Jason Peters.
What did you see last night that concerns you for the regular season, specifically?
by kaisertown on Aug 10, 2008 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you know it and I know it, what we saw last night was something to be concerned about.
Well, since you know you should be concerned, let’s just tank the season and get on with the top draft pick next season.
Seriously. You can be concerned if you like. I’m not. As I said – if they play like that in the third pre-season game, then I’ll be concerned. For now, they’re kicking the rust off of an 8-month layoff.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 10, 2008 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok, let’s talk after the 3rd pre-season game.
by Buffalonian on Aug 11, 2008 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Couple of things
Fox was on the field, at least for special teams. He was in on the hit that caused the fumble on the opening kickoff.
I was really impressed with a couple of Youboty’s tackles. He hit guys and they just stopped all forward movement. Of course, he had at least one tackle where he seemed to mostly whiff and wound up making a shoe string tackle instead.
It was great to see McKelvin get such an extended opportunity. I don’t recall him getting beaten too badly, parituclarly for the first night.
Cox had a god awful whiff on one play. He spread his arms, dropped his head and I don’t think he even touched the ball carrier.
Losman looked much better than Edwards. It won’t matter in terms of who gets the start. Losman walked onto the field and immediately went long—never mind that Jauron is clearly a short pass kind of guy. Give the guy his due, good JP showed up tonight.
The run defense without Stroud looked no better than it did last season. We had better hope that he can stay healthy all season. Otherwise, the run defense will be in the bottom third of the league….again.
Watching the Theisman leg-break video really helped deal with his commentary, particularly on the Hardy TD reception. I’ve looked at it repeatedly and Hardy didn’t seem to do much, if any, pushing off. He’s a big guy who can catch passes that are in his general area.
by Ron From NM on Aug 9, 2008 11:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You can't be serious about JP
JP played well and I will be the first guy to admit that Hardy’s touchdown was a beautifully thrown ball by Losman but you can’t say he looked better than Edwards when he has a former starter from last season going up against 2nd strringer. JP may not be the best starting QB around but part of the reason we stuck him for so long is that he is clearly not a 2nd stringer either.
To compare his play to Edwards is just not comparable. I have known for days before the pre-season started that I should expect JP to look better than Edwards and not make to much of it, precisely because I fully expect JP Losman to burn 2nd string defenses with Roscoe and Hardy on the field. He will look better than Edwards in many of these games.
McKelvin and Hardy - rookies of the year
by poz on Aug 10, 2008 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Edwards’ first pass was good. He put it where only Parrish had a chance at it and (thanks to a great catch by Parrish) it led to a 1st down. Edwards’ followed it up with an atrocious decision to throw into the endzone never mind that 4 defenders were in his throwing lane. His third pass was a miscommunication with Hardy. We can lay the blame on Hardy since Edwards is more likely to know the routes than Hardy at this point. Even had Hardy run the right route it would have been a none-yard completion. Edwards’ 4th pass was dropped but would have been another none-yard completion as Fletcher was all over Schouman. Edwards 5th (and final) pass was batted down. Edwards almost had to aim at the defensive lineman to get the pass batted down because the DE was out there on an island. That’s 1 good pass, 2 useless passes (even had Hardy run the right route and Schouman caught the ball), and 2 bad passes. That’s a bad showing no matter how you slice it.
Losman had a much better night. Hardy had a drop that would have gone for a mild gain and Parrish had another that would have been short of a first down—but still positive yardage. Most of his passes were short/intermediate so maybe he’s finally read one of the memos Jauron undoubtedly staples to his forehead every morning extolling the virtues of ball control. Some people will no doubt knock him for taking a sack but, frankly, that was entirely Fine’s fault. Fine made no attempt to block the blitzing DB. He just stood there and watched him run by.
But, be of good cheer. Edwards is Jauron’s guy. This preseason game won’t change that and neither will the other 3—barring injury.
by Ron From NM on Aug 10, 2008 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fair enough
I’d be lying if I said Edwards play didn’t disappoint but I think its important to remember that JP wasn’t playing the starters before we start thinking about which guy is playing better.
To me though (and I wonder how much it affected Edwards play) there were three areas that concerned me far more than the QB.
1. What the heck is Kirk Chambers problem? He looked awful to me last night and I can’t believe t his guy still plays like he’s bewildered with the amount of time he’s had on the field in his career. If he is really our coaching staffs answer at RT should Peters not show up then I am going to be very angry.
2. I am probably the biggest James Hardy believer on this blog, I want the guy to succeed so bad I’m sure at times I overlook his potential flaws. But even I wasn’t happy with what I saw last night. All game he was making mistakes in his route running and just disappearing (which is tough when your 6’6). While the TD was awesome and demonstrated how much he can use his large frame to give a QB a wider window in which to throw to him, that TD was simply just a perfect throw by Losman. So it was nice to see and gave me hope, but I wanted to see him make more plays. Wasn’t that his only catch?
3. Xaviar Omon and Dwayne Wright looked awful and it made it worse that our run D made the skins backups look amazing. But while everybody is talking about the run defense I thought that our passing d was letting redskins receivers get open all day long. Even when they dropped passes they were wide open. What gives? I thought we had enviable depth at corner. They made some plays sure, but they got burned a lot. All of them. Very concerning if you ask me, especially with Favre and Brady throwing balls in our division, we have got to cover better.
McKelvin and Hardy - rookies of the year
by poz on Aug 10, 2008 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Losman was also playing with scrubs as well as against them
Chambers was the only ‘starting’ lineman in the game with Losman. (Ugh. That hurt to type.) This isn’t a discussion about which QB is better. It is a discussion about who had the better game. Losman clearly did. You can believe that that was just because Edwards had an off night, the coaching staff didn’t give Edwards enough rope, or any other reason that makes sense to you. Personally, I think the good JP showed up last night. There’s no telling if that JP will show up on Thursday or not. Also, the good JP doesn’t tend to show up for entire games so, given a few more series, Losman may have leveled out or dropped off.
by Ron From NM on Aug 10, 2008 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Losman was also playing with scrubs as well as against them.
Yup.
I think everyone here already knows how I feel about the quarterback position. It may become more difficult for me to keep quiet as the season progresses. My position has never changed. I keeping re-watching games of Edwards, trying to force myself to like and support the guy, but I’m having a tough time.
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
by Fort Worth on Aug 10, 2008 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ron re-watch Edwards’ throws. That near interception into the end zone was intended for Schouman who was running along the goal line and in front of all the defenders. As Edwards threw the ball Schouman bumped into a defender, slowed down and nearly fell. That was Schouman’s fault and not Edwards.
The pass to Hardy was obvioulsy Hardy’s mistake. Watch that play again and you wil see Lee Evans is in the slot and he is blocking his DB and making no attempt to run a route whatsoever. Hardy had about 5-6 yards of cushion between him and the defender and if he would’ve caught the ball and cut inside, he had a good chance to go for a TD.
by kaisertown on Aug 10, 2008 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea
but why was Edwards throwing that pass into so much traffic? There were 3-4 Redskins in Schouman’s area, it wasn’t a good pass.
~K
by Kurupt on Aug 10, 2008 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he is saying until Schouman got tangled, when Edwards threw, it looked as if he’d have made the catch . Edwards anticipated and made a mistake, and probably could have thrown over that to Evans for the back of the end zone or looked elsewhere. No one can tell me Edwards had a good game and he knows it. So we’d better see a rebound. Also, I hate the shuffling and motion crap. One guy maybe, but I hate the song and dance before the snap. It makes us look, and then play, unorganized
Protect ya neck!
by killascript on Aug 10, 2008 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There were two other defenders in the lane short of the end zone. The pass to Schouman was a horrible decision, reminiscent of the Newman INT in the Cowboys game. You’d excoriate Losman for throwing that very same kind of ill conceived pass.
I agree with you that Hardy probably ran the wrong route. It’s also all for the best that it was a timing route as Chambers didn’t block either of the two guys who ran past him on their way to Edwards. Had Hardy run the right route the DB would have been with him and stopped him for little to no gain.
It just wasn’t a good night for Edwards. Let’s hope he does better on Thursday.
by Ron From NM on Aug 10, 2008 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That pass to Hardy from Edwards
The first time I saw it live, I thought it was an attempt at a back-shoulder fade pass, but it was way to far off the mark for that.
On a side note, it was nice to see Hardy get his first NFL touchdown before Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly got theirs.
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
by Fort Worth on Aug 10, 2008 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really thought Evans and Hardy looked great together.
Just seeing those two line up out wide together, and not Josh Reed.
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
by Fort Worth on Aug 10, 2008 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good recap Brian
I was obviously disappointed in the first team O, but there’s still time. I just want improvement from here on out. I also hope we will be throwing it downfield a bit more than we saw out of the first team O tonight.
I am not confident we’d be able to run the ball with the current starting OL. With two extremely weak links (Fowler, Chambers), I think we’re in big trouble if we expect to grind out wins and control the clock.
I hope Hardy keeps working hard to get the Offense down pat. He was out of position a few times, one that led to a TO, so he’ll need to master that rather soon. I still love his potential in the red zone, which we saw tonight. That drop he had over the middle of the field was ugly though. Wide open with room to run…
I also liked Justin Jenkins. The guy is a pretty good receiver. I remember that preseason game against the Lions last year where he just kept getting drilled and holding on to the ball. He seems to run good routes and has nice hands. I love Steve Johnson’s potential and ability, but Jenkins is going to make it hard if we only keep 5 WR’s and want to keep Johnson as well…
Our defense is constantly out of position and I really don’t know why that is. From the LB’s to the safeties, they just seem to be a step slow too often. We need Mitchell and Poz to really play much better than tonight. And, oh how I wish the CB’s would line up on the line of scrimmage EVERY PLAY. It’s so easy to convert short 3rd down passes when the CB’s are 10 yards off the ball. This has been a major problem with Fewell’s D’s the past two years and will apparently stay that way.
This D really needs to learn to get off the field on 3rd downs. That will come from a better pass rush. Oh wait, we all know where that stands!
I loved what I saw out of Youboty tonight. A sure tackler, physical and was very good in coverage too. I can’t see him getting cut if he continues playing this way, and would be very ticked if he was cut. Corner had some growing pains, but had some decent moments too. I think he needs to get more physical though. I didn’t recognize McKelvin as much, so that’s probably a good thing as well.
And loved his punt return ability out there today. He looks very good with the ball in his hands.
I really liked George Wilson on ST’s tonight, specifically the punt unit. He lines up as the signal caller(??, not sure what the guy who’s directly in front of the punter is called), and was pretty much the first guy downfield a couple of times. As much as I dislike him on D, I love him on ST’s.
We have a WAYS to go before this team is any good. There has to be substantial improvement out of Edwards, the OL, the DL and LB’s in the next couple of weeks for us to be successful early in the season. We cannot afford another terrible start to the year.
~K
by Kurupt on Aug 10, 2008 12:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My quick thoughts
A misroute by Shouman near the end zone caused that near int and the drop later summed up a bad performance by Schouman who i think also had a bad blitz pick up as well. I think Edwards and the starting offense showed some big time rust and franly butterflies that were just too significant to make a snap judgement. If there is no improvement next week we will see.
Losman looked like there was no pressure and was confident and it showed. He was poised and knew and did what he had to do. I think he can be a god player still, but in the no pressure situation of the preseason, he looked like a vet QB. I hope the offense will be in better rhythm next week for him as well as all around.
Defense did not impress me. Poz was everywhere per the usual, but the rest of the players on the D-line and LBs seemed a bit lost. First team D looked poor, but again, the Redskins are on their second game.
Alot to improve upon…I think it only right that people should hold off on any record predicting till after the pre-season, then we’ll see.
Protect ya neck!
by killascript on Aug 10, 2008 1:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This was a preseason game
and the first one at that with new players. What did Stroud play 2 or 3 plays? Why did he suite up? Lets hope they figure out how to defend a draw play.
JP looked good enough to battle for the starting QB spot. Why should QB position be different than CB? Put the best player on the field, but as mentioned, it was the first time everyone played together, so it is tough to come to conclusions right now…
by LGB on Aug 10, 2008 8:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
As for Stroud and vets
Guys like him ad Schoebel and probably Mitchell just go through the motions. These are polished and proven players tat do not need to sacrifice themselves for exhibition, instead of competition. You could probably add Kelsay to that list as well.
Protect ya neck!
by killascript on Aug 10, 2008 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mitchell actually played into the second quarter, if I’m remembering correctly. Replace “Mitchell” with “McGee” and you’re right on.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 10, 2008 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh boy… Losman didn’t look good enough to battle for starting QB. Edwards looked bad enough. Losman had good numbers, but he still had a couple of erratic throws and still looks jittery in the pocket. Let’s not open up this can of worms, please. :)
by Brian Galliford on Aug 10, 2008 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah I am going to rewatch the game and take some notes, but I thought Losman looked awful. If Roscoe doesn’t bail him out with that great catch and the ball gets picked off instead, we are all talking about how it is the same old JP.
by kaisertown on Aug 10, 2008 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No if's needed...
...to talk about the same old ineffective Trent Edwards. Isn’t that more relevant?
Never forget 56-10. Revenge.
by SuperFan82 on Aug 10, 2008 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
did Edwards have one bad incompletion?
The game started off run, run, false start
Then a great completion to Parrish to turn a 3rd and 11 into a first and 10.
Then another run. That was followed by that almost interception in the end zone, where Schouman got bumped a liitle bit and slowed up as he lost his balance. If you ask me that is on Schouman, not Edwards.
The next play was the incompletion where Hardy ran the wrong route. Field Goal.
Next drive started with a run and was followed by another false start.
Trent threw a ball right threw Schouman’s hands. Then had a pass knocked down at the line.
I don’t think Nick’s point could be any less relevant because other than the ball that was knocked down at the line of scrimmage, Edwards’ incompletions were due to the mistakes of other players. If Schouman doesn’t weigh 220 pounds maybe he doesn’t get bumped off his route and Edwards throws a well timed TD. If Hardy knew what he was doing, he catches that WR screen and cuts it inside where Evans is surprisingly doing a good job of blocking his DB. That should have been a TD too.
Calling Losman awful was definately too strong, but all I saw was the same old Losman. He was a little inaccurate on pretty much all of his throws. Hardy’s drop was on a pass that was a little high and tight. JP had that bootleg left where he floated the pass out to Jenkins and he had to jump to catch it. Tasker criticzed Parrish for his series of dance moves on his one catch over the middle, but JP threw the ball low and behind him and he had to stop in order to catch the ball. If JP puts that pass where it is supposed to go, Parrish has a great chance of beating everyone to the sideline and making a big play. The Bills ran that slant to Parrish on third and goal at the 6 yard line. Losman threw it over his head and he dropped it. Even if Parrish catches that ball, he gets tackled immediately because Losman threw it 3-4 feet too high. If that pass is waist level, Parrish has the chance to make a quick move and find the end zone. Re-watch Losman’s drives and tell me he was an accurate passer.
Also that deep ball to Parrish was a terrible decision. I know it worked, but results aren’t what matter in the preseason. If Losman doesn’t underthrow Parrish, number 41 on the skins D either picks it off or hammers Parrish. And don’t try and say that Losman purposely underthrew it. He was falling backwards and had a guy in his face. He was definitely trying to go overtop the defense.
by kaisertown on Aug 10, 2008 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another point of view on Edwards
Pass #1: Agreement on great pass on 3rd and 11.
Pass #2: Forced ball into an area he should not have even thrown to. On Edwards and should have been an INT.
Pass #3: On Hardy…agreed.
Pass #4.: Bad check down to Schoman, wide and even if caught was going to be a 1 or 2 yard catch. Irrelevant play in my opinion.
Pass #5: Had all day. Great job by the O-line. Awful check down on 3rd and long. Looked Hardy and didn’t even look at Evans. Went to 1st choice then failed to use progression and made the quick check down. Made the pass easy to break up for dline.
I’m somewhere in between on Edward however if we are picking apart every pass you can analyze pass 2,4 and 5 very differently depending on your perspective. I am more concerned with pass #2 which just cant happen in the regular season. Have to be safe in the red zone. I dont expect us to be there enough that we can waste chacnes with turnovers.
by Berg79 on Aug 10, 2008 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that it’s a bad idea to over-analyze Edwards’ poor stats. But I disagree with you on this one:
That was followed by that almost interception in the end zone, where Schouman got bumped a liitle bit and slowed up as he lost his balance. If you ask me that is on Schouman, not Edwards.
Schouman was double-covered on that play. Lee Evans was singled up on the same side. That was a force by Edwards; had he gone to Evans on that play, it might have been six. He also telegraphed his read to Schouman pretty seriously on that play. I thought that was by far his poorest read of the night.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 10, 2008 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brian and Berg, I will stand by my Schouman’s fault viewpoint. If Khary Campbell doesn’t bump him and slow him down as Edwards throws, then its a touchdown. Schouman was doubled, but neither defender could’ve got to the ball.
by kaisertown on Aug 10, 2008 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He might have been bumped but that is to be expected of a TE on a short pass play in the endzone. The ball has to go to our star one on one on the outside not our 2nd yr 7th round draft pick double covered regardless of whether he was open for a split second. Make the better percentage decisions is what Edwards is suppose to be good at.
And the JP stuff has to stop (And I’m an JP supporter). Not worth discussing until at least the bye week becuase it just wont happen unless Edwards gets hurt. The Bills open 1-4 and the offense cant move the ball then we can call for JP.
by Berg79 on Aug 10, 2008 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Call all you want
The Bills could go 0-10 and I don’t know that we’d see Losman.
by Ron From NM on Aug 10, 2008 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If one player plays better than another
doesn’t it make sense to go with the better player? I agree nothing happens until the bye week and hopefully TE won’t get hurt. To label a guy as a starter while there is real competition at other positions (which should make the team stronger), hopefully does not mean that the “starter” becomes complacent.
So far, we have really not seen enough to draw any decisive conclusions other than – after watching the first preseason game, it is clear that the Bills have some work to do.
by LGB on Aug 10, 2008 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jauron doesn't like Losman's playing style
Even if Losman does better than Edwards in practice and/or preseason at the end of the day he won’t run the offense like Jauron wants it run. So Jauron basically has a guy who plays like he wants (Edwards) and a guy who doesn’t play like he wants (Losman). If you have the option of dating the ugly chick or the one who looks good to you wouldn’t you just go with the one who looks good to you?
by Ron From NM on Aug 10, 2008 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jauron
I’d love to hear Jauron explain exactly how he likes an offense run. His 7 seasons as a head coach certainly call for some candid explaining in terms of his philososphy on that side of the ball…I’m never going to back the idea of playing a QB that’s been benched by my team four times in 3 seasons (that’s plain redundant in my view), but anyone who follows the Bills and simply defers to Jauron’s judgement regarding the concept of offense is absolutely nuts…there’s nothing wrong with the folks who believe in Losman voicing their opinion (and I’m not one of them). These fans are just as qualified as Dick Jauron to lay out a plan for running a capable NFL offense, if not more so by virtue of having never failed.
Never forget 56-10. Revenge.
by SuperFan82 on Aug 10, 2008 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So it’s Schouman’s fault that a defender ran into him? He had his eyes on the quarterback. From your viewpoint, nobody should be blamed.
Edwards threw into traffic. It was nearly picked. Bad throw.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 10, 2008 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
QB play
It was only two drives, so it’s really not a huge deal, but Edwards wasn’t impressive last night- plain and simple. Coming off the year he and his offense had in 2007, to get the ball at the 30 yard line to start off the game and not get 6 is pretty depressing because we saw that from Edwards so often last season. If you feel the need to rip Losman to shreds to make yourself feel more secure about the iffy play of Trent Edwards, I think that’s pretty telling about the QB situation in Buffalo. I won’t harp further on my belief that the Bills are wildly misguided in not replacing Losman with a true alternative to Edwards (in case he doesn’t improve), but let’s be honest about the starting QB and stop with the play-by-play excuses and the old crutch of bashing Losman. Edwards got two drives last night and he looked much like he did in 2007, which wasn’t even close to good enough for an NFL QB. He and the offense need some real momentum over the last three preseasons games to get going before the season starts. if that means “showing” a little more than you’d usually show in the preseason, so be it. After one preseason game, the 2008 Bills’ offense has the inadequate look that they exhibited in the preseason last year and what’s scary is that the personnel is very similar. Something needs to change if we don’t want a repeat of 2007 and that somethiung needs to be vastly improved play by Edwards starting Thursday night in Toronto.
Never forget 56-10. Revenge.
by SuperFan82 on Aug 10, 2008 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Edwards got two drives last night
Not sure what you can tell in two drives last night. Players at new OL positions, new OC, new play-book. There is a fine balance between getting ready for the regular season with these “practice” games and exposing players to injuries.
Since the Bills do not have a good track record injury-wise, the polished and proven players are restricted. That’s fine I guess if you are the perennial AFC East Champions, but when you have just put together back to back 7-9 seasons with no whiff of the playoffs in 8 years, you just might want to have starters out there a bit more. My guess is that we will probably see that in the games to come, especially with the run defenders.
by LGB on Aug 10, 2008 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s preseason and the results don’t matter. If Hardy runs the right route on third down and scores, do you think any differently of Edwards?
I don’t feel like I was ripping Losman to threads. He had 4 passes right on the money. The screen to Jackson, a 4-5 yard completion right between the hashes to Jackson, the TD to Hardy and the two point conversion to Jenkins. He had two OK passes in the bootleg left to Jenkins and the drop by Hardy and three terrible passes to Parrish. I overreacted by saying Losman looked awful. To me, he just looked like the same old Losman and we already know that isn’t good enough.
by kaisertown on Aug 10, 2008 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Awful” is a bit strong on Losman, and Nick’s point about Edwards is relevant, though a rhythm might have been established with Edwards had he played longer.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 10, 2008 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good thing we only have to wait til Thursday for redemption and maybe a positive series of posts
Protect ya neck!
by killascript on Aug 10, 2008 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can of worms
What is wrong with good, honest, accurate, and respectful discussion? If we were talking about a guard, a safety, or even a linebacker, I would shut up. But we are talking about the quarterback position. It’s important that the Bills get it right. I’ve never wavered. You know that, Brian. I really want to like Edwards, but…
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
by Fort Worth on Aug 10, 2008 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing is wrong with good, honest, accurate and respectful discussion – when it’s relevant. But this isn’t, because we know that Edwards is the starter.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 10, 2008 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The quarterback position is always relevant.
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
by Fort Worth on Aug 11, 2008 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Different argument. The competition aspect isn’t relevant.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 11, 2008 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
JP looked good enough to battle for the starting QB spot
Was JP perfect? NO! It was the first preseason game for him also and he has been nursing a sore thumb. Did JP look good enough so far to battle for the starting QB spot? Yes.
This is JP’s contract year and if he is ever going to produce like the 1st round pick that he was, this is the year the lights might finally go on.
All this talk about Edwards working out and getting stronger, does not mean that he has a better arm than JP…and having JP perform better is not only good for the team, but is good for Edwards. Put the best player on the field…so far from what I have seen in camp and last night, JP looked good enough to battle for the starting QB spot.
by LGB on Aug 10, 2008 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Losman won't have the chance to produce
Until Edwards gets injured, Losman won’t see the field this year. Even then, when Edwards is healthy he’ll be back on the field no matter how Losman has done. He’s Jauron’s guy, pure and simple.
by Ron From NM on Aug 10, 2008 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jauron’s guy, pure and simple
Well then if that is the case, Jauron will have no one to blame but himself when he gets fired. His guy or not, he needs to put the best players on the field.
by LGB on Aug 10, 2008 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
Jauron is a ball control, run heavy, short passes kind of guy. He’ll take risks, like fake punts and deep shots, when the odds are heavily weighted in his favor. By and large he wants to play close games and squeak out wins at the end. That’s just his philosophy. It doesn’t work out very well against teams like the Patriots or teams that do it (ball control) better, like the Jaguars or Steelers.
by Ron From NM on Aug 10, 2008 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doing what the boss says
Edwards may have the job because he does what his boss (Jauron) says: controlled, short passing and ball control. However, it just so happens that what the boss wants has helped to consistently produce 7-9 records. If you want a different output, try a different input. Adjust your approach and play more aggressively (see Losman). Let Losman at least compete for the job.
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
by Fort Worth on Aug 10, 2008 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jaurons approach
You could argue it was propelled us to 7-9 last year, when we probably should have been worse. The thing is, Edwards does not only throw short to intermediate…and if you say that it is wrong. I will not base his progression on one game where he did not play well, and neither did most of the offense…and frankly, Edwards ended last year as the starter and it is always a competition. JP doesn’t need to line up with the first team to compete, and if trouble occurs, Jauron will pull the plug on Edwards if Losman is better. I don’t know if anyone can say clear cut, Jauron will crash and burn with Edwards no matter what. With that being said, Losman had two really nice passes on the scoring drive, a lucky toss to Parrish that could have went either way, and thats it. I like JP too, but lets see how the entire preseason unfolds.
Protect ya neck!
by killascript on Aug 10, 2008 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree with your point about Losman’s playing well is good for Edwards. Kid needs a push.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 10, 2008 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Run D
I wrote this in my Funpost but after the first drive where Portis went no where the D was missing arguable its best 5 players. Crowell, McKee, Whitner, STroud and Schrobel. I mean Wash has a respectable offense so I can accept they went down the field on a unit of 6 starters and 5 backups. They still needed 4 downs to punch it in.
by Berg79 on Aug 10, 2008 10:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
good point
I was about to write a post about how the defense didn’t look good. Your point has removed the need for that haha, good point I guess they really weren’t on the field as a starting unit.
McKelvin and Hardy - rookies of the year
by poz on Aug 10, 2008 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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didn’t get to see the game, but saw the highlights. I think it was a good start. New faces, players coming off injuries and a new OC. I think the offense is really going to struggle if we don’t have Peters to help the run game. You have to remember though we will play a slow, boring style again, and it will be up to the Offense scoring 20-27 pts for us to win games. I am confident in this defense as I think it has PLAYMAKERS at every position other than DE.
I like adding McKelvin to the mix on ST’s. He is just a play-maker. Same with Hardy. I think the talent pool on this team is finally in the top 15-20 of the league after the 3 year rebuild job that Jauron/Marv and company have done.
All I know is keeping JP will prove to be such a smart move either way. Having a competent backup QB is so big with a team that is hoping for the playoffs.
MARVelous
by MARVelous on Aug 10, 2008 4:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bills fans want a winning season
Lets see how the coaching staff views this game and we should be able to see in camp what if the concentration of work is on.
Now that the Bills have this partner in Canada, I would suggest that because the next practice game is in Toronto, the Bills will want to have a good showing and just might play the starters a little while longer (like through most of the the first quarter).
by LGB on Aug 10, 2008 5:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Toronto game
I’d have to believe the starters will play well into the second quarter. The 2nd and 3rd preseason games are usually the ones where starters play the most. Against the Colts, I expect the starters to play the first half and maybe into the second….
~K
by Kurupt on Aug 10, 2008 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My guess for next game
Edwards gets 3-4 series, Losman gets 3-4 series and Hamdan cleans up whatever is left. The starting defense will get 3-4 series, except for Stroud who will get 2-3.
by Ron From NM on Aug 10, 2008 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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