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Brilliant move by Crowell. Wait all offseason before having this scoped. How dumb a move on his part and the team’s part by not getting a procedure done.

Yay, Keith Ellison starting! And the lack of depth is already starting to KILL us. I didn’t think the Seahawks would be able to run that well on us, now I expect them to average well over 4 YPC. Ellison is downright terrible and we’re going to see the results of it, yet again.

~K

by Kurupt on Sep 4, 2008 2:13 PM EDT   0 recs

… OK, it’s not that bad. Crowell isn’t the difference between a dominant run D and “well over 4 YPC”… Stroud is. And Stroud is fine.

by Brian Galliford on Sep 4, 2008 2:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I think Ellison is that bad. Agreed that it’s not Crowell, but I don’t like Ellison on the field anywhere other than ST’s.

Let’s hope Stroud is that guy, but he’s not going to be on the field every play….If Stroud does turn our run D into a very good one, then we may be able to get by with Ellison in there. I have to see it first…

~K

by Kurupt on Sep 4, 2008 2:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

wow

this is stupid and a huge buzz kill. I was so pumped to see how crowell and mitchell would gel and thought they could really improve the gaps in the run defense.

I think Crowell is the key to the LB’s as he makes everyone there better with his experience and great tackling ability. Hopefully he is back by week 5.

MARVelous

by MARVelous on Sep 4, 2008 2:45 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You and I talked about this Brian, the lack of size in the back-ups might just come back to haunt this team. The Bills would be wise to keep an eye out for a linebacker with some size.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Sep 4, 2008 2:15 PM EDT   0 recs

We've been saying that for years now

they did address it with Mitchell, but again, the depth is poor. DiGi and Ellison are not starting caliber LB’s and should really never see the field defensively other than situaionally. I dread seeing Corto in there.

We can always bring Spragan back (rolls eyes).

I’d cut Bryan right now and get the best LB available right now….

~K

by Kurupt on Sep 4, 2008 2:19 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

this is bad

he’s probably out for 3 weeks with this and our schedule is toughest for the first six games. I hope they put Digi in instead of Ellison but I doubt they will. Considering the Bills have tended to get hot as the season goes on I think we’re in good shape to make the playoffs if we can come out of the first six games 3-3. This definitely hurts. But look at our schedule after the first 6 games. The only really tough games are the two Pats games. The next closest thing is the Monday night battle with the Browns. This is bad timing.

McKelvin and Hardy - rookies of the year

by poz on Sep 4, 2008 2:55 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Don't Worry About Depth ...

We have that huge run stuffer Corto if we need him.

by MrFurious1 on Sep 4, 2008 2:19 PM EDT   0 recs

Ellison, Ellison, anyone see Ellison?

Oh yeah, hes the guy 20+ yards downfield being pacncaked by the WR on every run play. Cripes Crowell, if your knee bugs you every bloody TC, then get the damn thing fixed BEFORE the first game. There really can be only 2 reasons for this, he messed it up further in his last practice, or this is his way of getting back at the team for not opening up contract exentsion negotiations yet.

Fear the mighty helmet wearing gopher, he is coming for your soul....

by WABillsfan on Sep 4, 2008 3:14 PM EDT   0 recs

Well

I doubt it’s the latter because that’s far more harmful to him. Who wants to give a guy a big contract after having some knee surgery during the season and missing out and showing what he can do.

~K

by Kurupt on Sep 4, 2008 3:20 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Al Davis

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Sep 4, 2008 4:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Just a thought

Can’t the Bills just skip the 3rd LB and play nickel defense for Sunday? I’d rather see Bryan Scott in there instead of Ellison. If we have to have the 3rd LB, what about putting DiGi in at OLB?

Nuts! Now I’m gonna have to find a new avatar…nice timing, Angelo.

Get the Bills back to the big game!

by Blitz on Sep 4, 2008 4:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Conspiracy theorist

Being the conspiracy therorist that I am, do you think that this has something to do with him wanting a contract extension? I know he was looking to cash in this season and as far as I know I haven’t heard or read anything about the Bills offering him one. I hope this isn’t the case, but if it is I’d cut his sorry a$$ as soon as he comes off injured reserve. We don’t need selfish players like him on the roster. This team is trying to establish a family environment to achieve a goal.

by the Skycap on Sep 4, 2008 4:09 PM EDT   0 recs

whoa slow down

do you hate him all of a sudden because he’s having surgery? yikes

And it’d be about as stupid a thing as a player could do if he really wants more money. There’s nothing like getting that big pay day from standing on the sidelines. Just ask Jason Peters.

~K

by Kurupt on Sep 4, 2008 4:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Whoa!

Put away your “Jump to Conclusions Mat.”

The best way for Crowell to prove to the Bills (and everyone else for that matter) that he deserves a big pay day is to kick @$$ on the field, not show that he’s an injury prone cry baby.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Sep 4, 2008 4:36 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

WOW. Where do you and WABillsfan come up with this stuff. I’m sorry, but that is the stupidist, most backwards theory I have seen in awhile. Like K points out, wouldn’t getting a knee surgery during the regular season, no matter how minor, be the worst possible way to get MORE money? That would be a dumber way to get the team to offer a new contract than what Peters is doing.

Here is a realistic reason for waiting to get the surgery:

The obvious reason is that the team doctors kept telling Crowell that his knee was fine and that the injury was minor and it would heal itself. The doctors obviously told Crowell the pain would subside with rest. Well the doctors were wrong and his knee didn’t get better with rest alone and Crowell and the team doctors have decided it is safer to get the surgery and miss 2-3 weeks, than play with a knee that wasn’t totally healthy and caused him pain. Its a risk reward thing and the Bills don’t want to risk the injury lingering which might cause him to spend a season without practicing and on every injury report.

If you want a conspiracy theory, here is the most likely one:

Crowell is trying to get every extra dollar he can next offseason and having a surgery perfromed is the opposite way to accomplish that. It is possible that Crowell knew he would probably need surgery and knew his injury might linger into the season, but he risked it anyways in an attempt to get a better contract from Buffalo or someone else next offseason.

by kaisertown on Sep 4, 2008 4:44 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

My notion of it was somewhat of a joke, but there is a precedent

Alot of times people (Chad “formerly known as Johnson” Ocho Cinco this summer alone) and several other players have used late in the summer surgeries to either skip training camp or to protest the lack of motion on a contract exentension by having a ready made excuse for the team to be unable to fine then for missing work, e.g. they had surgery to be ready for the team, thus an unfineable offense.

The fact that Crowell waited this long means its more likely the dude messed it up further in practice yesterday than is protesting his deal. But the surgery to make a point about a contract by having the player out “legitametly” and being protected from being fined has been done before.

Fear the mighty helmet wearing gopher, he is coming for your soul....

by WABillsfan on Sep 4, 2008 5:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Starter

MAybe he wanted to solidfy his starter role in training camp before getting surgery.

Its week one and my heart skips a beat every time I hear LB. First Bowen-IR, DiGiorgo just returning from injury, now Crowell-out and Poz turns his ankle yesterday but is OK. Keeping that position staffed is like filling a bottomless pit!

by south123 on Sep 4, 2008 4:19 PM EDT   0 recs

It's League Wide ...

Look at Seattle’s list. Depth is more than just having solid backups at every position. Most teams don’t have that. Depth is having quality across all positions. I think we have that and can afford to lose a player here and a player there.

by MrFurious1 on Sep 4, 2008 4:28 PM EDT   0 recs

Team Hanging Crowell Out to Dry

It’s very clear the team is not happy with Crowell’s unilateral approach. There was no “we decided” talk from Jauron.

It’s also clear that Crowell gutted it out last year, but isn’t doing it this year because of the contract. If he can get the knee better and play 10 good games everyone will forget about the knee. If he guts it out and his play suffers (ala Chris Kelsay last year), then it will hurt him at the table. He’s putting himself first and I don’t have a problem with that, but why not earlier???

by MrFurious1 on Sep 4, 2008 4:40 PM EDT   0 recs

thank you

Worded it better than I did.

Fear the mighty helmet wearing gopher, he is coming for your soul....

by WABillsfan on Sep 4, 2008 5:02 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Crap

Crowell to IR. Beautiful

~K

by Kurupt on Sep 4, 2008 5:45 PM EDT   0 recs

Where did you hear that?

by kaisertown on Sep 4, 2008 5:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

It was just posted on BuffaloBills.com

Here is the link: http://buffalobills.com/news/news.jsp?news_id=6533
This is bad.

by BuffaloBrewed on Sep 4, 2008 5:50 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Apparently the Bills coaching staff decided they would be too shorthanded in the 2-4 week window in which Crowell would need to recover and created a roster spot by putting the veteran linebacker on injured reserve.

That doesn’t make any sense at all. Why not put Murphy on the IR of all you are looking for is a roster spot?

by kaisertown on Sep 4, 2008 5:55 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Seriously

a 4th or 5th OT against a veteran starting OLB?

If true, this staff is a bunch of morons….

~K

by Kurupt on Sep 4, 2008 5:59 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

seriously, if that is the logic, than I have lost faith in Jauron. I will have gone from DJ supporter to confused Bills fan that doesn’t think the Bills know what they are doing. There has to be more to this story.

by kaisertown on Sep 4, 2008 6:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

It's true....Just came out...Crowell on IR.....

I get stupid text messages from BB.com….

Probably want to bring in a nother backer with the asapness….

by MonStarr_716 on Sep 4, 2008 5:51 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Gonna have to be Spragan I guess

unless they don’t want to guarantee his contract. We may see him back on Monday morning instead…

How about a trade for Bobby Carpenter? Ehhhh, probably not

~K

by Kurupt on Sep 4, 2008 5:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

WTF????

this is perposterous….so much for avoiding injuries. Can’t even get to Week 1

MARVelous

by MARVelous on Sep 4, 2008 5:53 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

A game worn Jock signed by Patrick Estes for Carpenter.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Sep 4, 2008 5:54 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Spragan

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Sep 4, 2008 5:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Ellison

In my opinion this move shows that the Bills have just as little faith in Ellison as a starter as we do. Crowell was going to be out only 2-4 weeks but the Bills felt their depth was so poor that they needed to put him on IR just to open up a roster spot. I still feel they should have just let Bryan go instead.

by BuffaloBrewed on Sep 4, 2008 6:00 PM EDT   0 recs

Not at all

I think it’s the opposite.

They are telling Crowell to F off for having the surgery right now.

~K

by Kurupt on Sep 4, 2008 6:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

It could be that too

But i feel we are risking a lot by putting him on IR. I agree it was a terrible move to “suddenly decide” to have the surgery now when he sat out almost the entire preseason and could have healed up by now. However, I really don’t think Ellison is the answer for the whole season and we would be better off with a healed and upset Crowell.

by BuffaloBrewed on Sep 4, 2008 6:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Right

This is bull crap. He should have had the surgery in May, not now. Too bad for him, the Bills are not going to treat him any better then he treated them. I will be watching alot of LBs this fall in College football, or the Bills, in a dramatic move should trade Peters for a top tier LB in the league to a team that needs a LT.

The Bills CAN win every game

by killascript on Sep 4, 2008 6:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

ACtually

Not saying they SHOULD do this, but certainly isn’t out of the realm of possibility. And you mind as well send Crowell with him. Package them up as Gimpy and Crazy and get them out.

The Bills CAN win every game

by killascript on Sep 4, 2008 6:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

ok

fine him, suspend him a game or two if they are that ticked off. Don’t hurt the D by taking him out of the lineup for the year just because you’re mad at him. Jeezus, if that’s the case, what the F!!!

~K

by Kurupt on Sep 4, 2008 6:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

what a bizarre turn of events. Crowell clearly pissed the front office by electing to have surgery just a few days before the season opener. Jauron sounded very surprised by the decision in his interview this afternoon. This effectively ends Crowell’s career as a Buffalo Bill.

The Bills will not be bringing Spragan back, he has lost more than a step. He is too slow to fit into Coach Fewell’s pursuit philosophy.

I wish the Bills had kept Coy Wire.

by spavery on Sep 4, 2008 6:01 PM EDT   0 recs

I wish the Bills had kept Coy Wire.

He failed a physical!!

~K

by Kurupt on Sep 4, 2008 6:04 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Besides

Even if they had kept him he’s not much bigger (if at all) then Corto.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Sep 4, 2008 6:11 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

he passed the physical conducted by Atlanta’s physicians…

by spavery on Sep 4, 2008 6:13 PM EDT   0 recs

hold on hold on hold

I decide to focus on work for a few hours and Crowell is on IR? Is this a reversible decision??? There has to be some clause or something regarding stupidity! Before we all go nuts on Crowell he is still our most proven defensive player this is horrible news. What the hell are we going to do? There are no good FA linebackers out there anymore and what, start Digi on the outside? Playoffs seemed so nice a month ago and now we are missing one of our best offensive players and one of our best defensive players. Make no mistake, Crowell was our most productive defensive players on defense. I feel sick right now. Sweet Jauron thanks for putting him on IR. Does the NFL pay the Bills to keep being mediocre? Maybe they think every league needs a perpetual lovable loser. What an embarrassing turn of events for everybody involved.

McKelvin and Hardy - rookies of the year

by poz on Sep 4, 2008 6:20 PM EDT   0 recs

I don't get it

He was going to miss 2-4 weeks and instead they IR him essentially ending his year before it starts? Did they really leave themselevs that short at linebacker that they couldn’t hold the fort for 3 weeks?
O.K. jerk move by Crowell for waiting so long, but he gets IR’ed out of spite?

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Sep 4, 2008 6:23 PM EDT   0 recs

Makes no sense

if the injury is indeed that minor.

Really, how dumb is this front office if they are putting him on IR to spite him? Nothing like not allowing players to play to set a good example for how you treat them.

They decide to take away one of our better defenders for the season because they are mad at him? Really? Are they a mother scolding their son for coming home late? What a joke.

This would be such a great message to send to the fans and players. You’d rather send a message to an individual player, while hurting the entire team and the chance to win. Again, really?

I just can’t comprehend this being the case. His injury HAS to be more serious, just has to be. If the FO is pissed at him for having the surgery today, FINE, take away a paycheck or suspend him for a game. Maybe he was expecting the knee to improve over the preseason, like it had in prior years, but this time it didn’t respond, so he had the surgery instead of potentially making it worse. I’d have no issue with that. It’s not like Crowell hadn’t been playing injured and in pain all last year too…

Again, if the reason they IR’ed him is due to hurt feelings, then this front office is a bunch of yahoos with too much power.

~K

by Kurupt on Sep 4, 2008 6:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm telling ya it sounds fishy

Ha, now they put him on IR for the season! Still think my theory is crazy? Crowell probably went to he Bills and asked about an extension and they probably gave him the run around. Feeling scorned, he probably told him his knee was hurting and that he needed surgery. Why wasn’t he on the injury report? And why would the Bills put him on season ending IR when they originally said it to be a couple of weeks. Because they know that it is bullcocka and they are upset. Look, Crowell was the Bills leading tackler last season. He feels that his stats is enough to get him a look from somebody next season at a price more than what the Bills will offer.

by the Skycap on Sep 4, 2008 6:45 PM EDT   0 recs

i agree

this is a huge head-scratcher to me and I cannot believe the immediate reactino to put him on IR. WHY? Unless they think his attitude is deterimental to the team’s success, and even then, knowing that Ellison is such a down-grade at the position it makes no sense to me.

WE have a couple idiots in Crowell and Peters. Two of our veteran studs and they have no idea how to be professionals…if Merriman is willing to play against he advice of 4 docs then Crowell should surely play through some knee issues in a contract year. What a yahoo, and what a way to start this 2008 campaign

MARVelous

by MARVelous on Sep 4, 2008 6:45 PM EDT   0 recs

and

if this is the way the FO is going to handle these situations with Peters and Crowell, it just doesn’t bode well for this franchise. Developing and keeping our best players has always been a serious concern and it seems like the Bills still don’t get it

MARVelous

by MARVelous on Sep 4, 2008 6:47 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

unprofessional....

I wouldn’t go out and call Crowell unprofessional without knowing the entirety of the situation yet. Remember, he is the same guy who’s knee was bothering him all last season and still fought through the entire year without missing any games.

Crowell very well could have figured the knee was going to heal and respond the way it had all last year. Maybe this time, after practicing yesterday, he realized it wasn’t close enough to 100% to give it a go. In order to play healthy enough and for the entire year, maybe he wanted to have the surgery instead of giving it a go at far less than 100%. We don’t know….

Again though, if the FO put him on IR to spite him, they are dumb and completely out of line, IMO….

~K

by Kurupt on Sep 4, 2008 6:50 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

What better way to prove his worth/value than to sit out a couple of games? If his knee was so bad last season, the doctors would have seen it and had him have surgery in the off-season. I don’t think it is dumb that they put him on IR. Like I said they are trying to build a team atmosphere here and they don’t want anyone around that they feel will be a detriment.

by the Skycap on Sep 4, 2008 6:58 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

On the other hand, you can argue that by trying to stick it to players this way, you aren’t exactly showing yourselves to be player friendly…

and it’s better to sit out a few games and come back strong after that instead of playing at less than 100% and hurting it worse.

~K

by Kurupt on Sep 4, 2008 7:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

we need Geronimo

Geronimo,

Get to the bottom of this for us please?

MARVelous

by MARVelous on Sep 4, 2008 6:45 PM EDT   0 recs

Roosevelt Colvin

The best solution!!

by the Skycap on Sep 4, 2008 7:11 PM EDT   0 recs

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