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1st Round Survey

In the 1st round of this draft, at the 11th spot, there is probably going to be some ultra-talented players availible. I want to know how everyone feels about the need vs. best available philosophies. DE seems to be indisputably the greatest need for this team. However, there may be more impact players at other positions available.

 

So, by answering the poll question below, we'll see how much of an emphasis people place on need over talent.

Poll
Which player would draft at #11?
George Selvie, DE USF
13 votes
Andre Smith, OT Alabama
5 votes
Duke Robinson, G Oklahoma
1 votes
Alex Mack, C California
38 votes
Knoshawn Moreno, RB Georgia
0 votes
Michael Crabtree, WR Texas Tech
13 votes
Percy Harvin, WR Florida
2 votes
Jeremy Maclin, WR Mizzou
2 votes
Terrence Cody, DT Alabama
12 votes
Peria Jerry, DT Ole Miss
1 votes
Rey Maualuga, LB USC
17 votes
James Laurenitis, LB OSU
1 votes
Aaron Curry, LB Wake Forest
22 votes
Taylor Mays, S USC
7 votes
William More, S Mizzou
0 votes

134 votes | Poll has closed

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I'm just glad I don't have to make these decisions

"I don't agree with a damn thing you say, but I would die for your right to say it."

by ForeignArrow on Jan 1, 2009 6:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

lol

man if crabtree fell to 11 i would totally want him but thats not going to happen sigh

by billsstein on Jan 1, 2009 6:31 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I

picked Cody because I’ve seen what a tandem like Williams and Williams does for the Vikes D… and if Cody and Stroud were up the middle for us we could have the cheerleaders play linebacker, ot wouldn’t matter.

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by ForeignArrow on Jan 1, 2009 6:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

crabtree is overrated. He’s a product of a system. His speed isn’t that great. I would take him maybe in the 2nd round. for sure in the 3rd. Not talented enough to be a 1st round pick imo.

by buffaloboy90 on Jan 1, 2009 7:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

oh yea i picked

alex mack just for the record

by billsstein on Jan 1, 2009 8:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Mack--and everyone knows why

With that said, if he’s not the Bills’ #1 rated center then they should do what it takes to get that guy—free agency, take their guy later in the draft, tell Lynch to pork up and go beast mode on DTs…..

by Ron From NM on Jan 1, 2009 7:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Would like a center

but I have heard Mack will go into the second round, and possibly day 2. Maualuga seems like a must pick if he is available, but I would still have to go with a pressure DE. No preference, b/c one doesn’t stand out much within the top 5.

Sweet home Orchard Park.

by thurman on Jan 1, 2009 7:05 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

concur

Based on your info that some say Mack may not even go in the first round anymore I picked Maualuga. I mean, the guy is a rare talent at a spot of need. Of course, if Mack can not be had in the second at pick 43, then my choice reverts back to Mack.

Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.

by poz on Jan 2, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How will you know?

If Mack is the guy Buffalo has as their top rated center (draft and FA), it’s at least possible someone can take him before the Bills pick at #11. It’s then possible (and much, much more likely than Mack going in the top 10) that someone will take him between #12 and #42. If Mack is Jauron’s guy, history suggests that Jauron will take him at #11. Common sense would dictate trading back a bit but then we know Jauron would rather stay put and ‘overpay’ to get his guy.

by Ron From NM on Jan 3, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

true

I’m working on this Saturday (luckily in front of the tv watching the game) so I’ll check a bit later but I don’t feel like many other teams have a pressing need at center, if a need at all, like we do. I’ll get back to you with that.

Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.

by poz on Jan 3, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve seen Bengals fans talk about wanting Mack with their early 2nd round pick.

by thefourwinds on Jan 3, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Other

I actually voted for Aaron Curry. Curry and Mays are the only guys on the list that I would even consider at 11. I guess Laurinaitis is a player I would consider too, but I wouldn’t be too excited about drafting him that high.

I think Mt. Cody is WAY overrated based on his size and the fact that Alabama was ranked so high all seson. I wouldn’t be surprised if he slides all the way into the third round. He will have injury and weight issues at the next level. He fades away to the point where he almost dissappears late in games. I’m not sure Cody will ever be a guy capable of playing more than 50% of defensive plays without losing a lot of what makes him great.

Robinson, Moreno and Harvin probably shouldn’t be on the list. I don’t think they are top 15 type guys and none of them are big need positions.

I don’t view Maualuga as a top 20 pick for a 4-3 team and I think Selvie isn’t even a first round guy for 4-3 teams.

Andre Smith is gone by 11, but if he isn’t the Bills better trade down and let someone overpay to get a stud.

I like Mack, but I’m still not sure where the love afair is coming from. He is the best center in this draft and one of the best in a few years, but I don’t think the gap between him and the other centers warrants drafting a center 11th overall.

Honestly, I’m not sold on Crabtree who is slow and struggled to get seperaton a lot of the time. He is way to high of a bust risk for me when we already have a bust alert on the WR we just drafted in the second round last year. I think Maclin is a better pro prospect than Crabtree, but wouldn’t consider him at 11 either. A lot of his value is rapped up in his return abilities, which the Bills don’t really need and as a deep threat which the Bills already have in Evans.

I love Peria Jerry, but I don’t think he is special enough to take at 11, especially since we don’t have a huge need at DT. Same for William Moore, he’s a really nice player, but not a top 15 type of guy, especiallly consider that Taylor Mays is in this draft and the Bills would probably be better served drafting a versatile safety that could play either spot (not that Mays can).

I put other as the title up there because I would take Orakpo (i’m assuming he was left off because you think he will be gone), Michael Johnson or Greg Hady over most of the players on the list.

by kaisertown on Jan 1, 2009 7:35 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I

left the top defensive ends off the list to see if people would reach for players based on need, a philosophy I don’t think is acceptable in the 1st round. And some people would take Alex Mack over some of the other talents on the board. And since you don’t think practically any of those players are top 15 talent, I’d be interested to see your top 15.

It’s funny that you call Andre Smith a stud and Cody overrated, because Alabama’s lines are what made them ranked so highly all season. Cody has a ton of potential and demands a double team (sometimes a triple team) every play. And Moreno and Harvin ARE top 15 talents. I’m not even going to debate that, I’ve watched them play every weekend for the past 2 years. The only reason Harvin might slight is because he gets dinged up when the Gators use him as a RB too much.

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by ForeignArrow on Jan 1, 2009 8:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Unlike Cody, Smith is huge AND athletic. Smith has great feet and will be a good run and pass blocker at the next level. I don’t love him and i’m not sure he is top 5 material, but if he is available at 11, the BIlls would be crazy to act like they did in 2006 and not take advantage by trading the pick. Cody is almost too big for the position and sadly, is probably only going to get bigger. I’ve heard his weight is constantly ballooning up to the high 300s before he reels it in and loses some pounds to get back to 365 or whatever he plays at. He has had serious injury issues for his entire career and will likely have trouble ever getting through a 16 game schedule. I know he does a great job of staying stout and pushing runs outisde, but he often struggles to do that late in games because he simply isn’t athletic or in shape and while he doesn’t get pushed back, centers can typically seal him off to a side while the opponent runs the other way. Just my opinion.

I love Knoshown, but I would never draft a runningback in the top 15 unless I thought they were truly game changing backs and I don’t quite think that highly of Moreno. He is shifty, but his big play break away speed leaves a little to be desired and he isn’t a guy who runs people over either. I think he is going to be a realy nice back in the NFL, but not a superstar.

Will Percy Harvin really be a number 1 WR in the NFL? If the answer is no (and I think it is) then he shouldn’t be drafted in the top 15.

Once the juniors declare these are some lock top 15 type prospects:

Matt Stafford
Sam Bradford – I don’t love him but he would probably be a top 10 pick
Mark Sanchez – he would probably be my number 1 QB if he comes out
Chris Wells
MIchael Crabtree – another guy i don’t love, but he should be a consensus top 10 guy
Michael Oher
Eugene Monroe
Andre Smith
Brian Orakpo
Michael Johnson
Aaron Curry
Rey Maualuga
Michael Jenkins
Vontae Davis – I like him a little more than most
Taylor Mays

There’s 15 guys. I would put Brandon Spikes, Jason Smith, BJ Raji, Everette Brown, Greg Hardy and James Lauranaitis are all guys i considered for that top 15 as well.

by kaisertown on Jan 1, 2009 9:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m with you on Sanchez. Just watched him shred Penn State for over 400yds! Wow. And the most often called pass play into Penn State’s D? The slant in all its glory. He looked great. I do like Stafford too. With the juniors declaring this is a loaded draft.

everything goes better with a BIG MACK

by keuka121 on Jan 1, 2009 10:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Couple of things....

Cody is considered a good prospect of his athleticism at his size.

Secondly, if you put Sanchez ahead of Stafford and Bradford you’re simply out of your mind. He has the weakest arm of the three and he is the least accurate… it’s not like his intangibles are off the charts, either.

And as far as Moreno goes, he “changes” every game he plays in… he has that instinctive vision that if Marshawn Lynch had he would be a Top 5 RB in the NFL.

"I don't agree with a damn thing you say, but I would die for your right to say it."

by ForeignArrow on Jan 2, 2009 2:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Taylor Mays

I voted for Mays before I read your article here. I think he is a difference maker and worth a #11 pick.

Not only that, from Bills perspective, as much as there is a need for DE, it is my personal believe that the most important position in our Cover 2 defense are the safeties. Sometimes pass rush can be generated by effective schemes, but if we want turnovers and big plays from our system, I think we need stud safeties. Taylor Mays is a hard hitting safety who has great speed and ball skills.

Bills fan half way around the world

by moncheri on Jan 2, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Everette Brown

Why does no one show this guy any love? He was a force all season and played extremely well in the Bowl game. He is a DE for FSU. I think the Bills will bring back Angelo Crowell.

I voted for Peria Jerry. This guy is a big time player. He’s better then Kyle Williams and Spencer Johnson.

by buffaloboy90 on Jan 1, 2009 7:43 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Mack all the way. Instant impact gives us one of the best running games out there.

However, if OBD has another first round brain fart I hope they take a BIG DE. In order of preference I’d go Orakpo, Hardy or Johnson. Honorable mention goes to Laurinitais.

everything goes better with a BIG MACK

by keuka121 on Jan 1, 2009 8:28 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I can’t vote, because the top THREE prospects I’d pick aren’t even on the ballot!

TE Jermaine Gresham, Oklahoma
DE Everette Brown, Florida State
DT B.J. Raji, Boston College

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 1, 2009 9:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Come on Brian,

It is not like getting married. You can change your mind without losing half your stuff. Or, make up your own pole poll and vote for someone else. Just vote Mack in this one…..you know you want to do it!!!!!

"The Bills have no playoff aspirations"

by Joe P. on Jan 1, 2009 10:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nope, I definitely would have voted Aaron Curry.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 1, 2009 10:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...

I considered Gresham afterward but did not think of him as top 11 material. I’m partial though and don’t really think TEs and Cs should ever be picked in the top half of the 1st round. BJ Raji I just forgot to put in… he should be in there. As for so many people voting Mack, I’m glad none of them are our GM/My Faves/My Circle/Inner Circle because drafting him there with all the other talent on the board is simply silly.

"I don't agree with a damn thing you say, but I would die for your right to say it."

by ForeignArrow on Jan 2, 2009 2:53 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL @ “My Faves”. PERFECT name for the Inner Circle.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 2, 2009 6:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ditto. The my faves/my circle joke is a great one!

by kaisertown on Jan 2, 2009 9:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

true that

a Center t #11 is a pipe dream. Gresham is in Todd McShay’s mock draft for Buffalo right now for whatever that is worth. Him and the kid from OK St are likely to be mid-late 1st round picks. Even though I’m a huge believer we desperately need a pass-catching TE like Gresham, I don’t know if I would use it at #11, when we have a greater need for help immediately for our Defense’s pass rushing capabilities but I would love to see Gresham done the red, white and blue of Buffalo

MARVelous

by MARVelous on Jan 2, 2009 9:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Gresham is nice, but not worth a #11 when all we need is a pass catcher TE and those will be around in Rd. 3

Brown and Raji are a little more tempting to me, I think I would go with Brown if I had to choose since we are so depserately poor at DE. DT while it would be nice to have another fat man, is a 2nd-4th round choice for me at this point with our needs.

C, DE, OLB are my top 3 with TE right in at 4 with a ton of line depth after that.

Now if only this gopher could play DE, we would be doing better, I mean, who couldn't play better than the corpse brothers Kelsay and Denney?

by WABillsfan on Jan 2, 2009 6:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I voted Mack. He would make a world of difference immediately, and be a much bigger impact player than Whitner was at #8.

by thefourwinds on Jan 1, 2009 10:24 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

By the way, to everyone who says the Bills just need to trade down to get Mack, keep in mind that trading down is often far easier said than done.

by thefourwinds on Jan 1, 2009 10:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Plus the front office has to show some guts...

If the guy they want is there at 11 they won’t risk losing him, no matter that people will whine about reaching.

by Ron From NM on Jan 1, 2009 11:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I want the

best DE or LB at #11. If Manualga can be an effective blitzer in our 4-3 and maybe be allowed to move Poz, and if that makes sense, I am all for it. We need to get more sacks out of a LB in our 4-3. Getting a guy that can free up Mitchell more to do that, or a new guy that can do that would be so big for our defense. I don’t see a DT coming in right away and having that impact. LB"s can have an impact right away and if we got the best one, I would be thrilled

MARVelous

by MARVelous on Jan 1, 2009 11:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I’m voting for Everette Brown…

~K

by Kurupt on Jan 2, 2009 12:49 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think our most desperate need is at DE and I believe that Orakpo is the man for the job. If he’s off the board then go with M. Johnson.
However, if both are gone by #11 (a good possibility) I’d be tempted to go Maualuga and plan on moving Poz outside.

by Blackthorn on Jan 2, 2009 1:02 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

For the record....

once again Orakpo is definitely at the top of my DE board, I left him off simply to show the desperation for a C. People are willing to take Mack, a guy who comes along in EVERY draft… and pass on generational players like Maualuga, Curry, and Mays, or Harvin and Maclin, and maybe even Orakpo.

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by ForeignArrow on Jan 2, 2009 3:08 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Brian Orakpo is my top pick as well. I was wondering why he wasn’t on there.

I think we go DE first then C with our next pick – we might trade down back into the first and try to get someone – done it before

Maybe now you'll never slime a guy with a positron collider

by J2 on Jan 2, 2009 9:29 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If ODB is smart, we fall back 4-5 spots and tab another 3rd or 2nd rounder

But, they haven’t the guts to be willing to get MORE players rather than just take whatever person has their eye that day (Whitner anyone?)

Now if only this gopher could play DE, we would be doing better, I mean, who couldn't play better than the corpse brothers Kelsay and Denney?

by WABillsfan on Jan 2, 2009 6:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A player at his position like Mack simply does NOT come along every draft. Mack stands out at his position like Curry does at his.

everything goes better with a BIG MACK

by keuka121 on Jan 2, 2009 10:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Because a few picks I like are missing...

I voted for Aaron Curry and that’s if we do not re-sign Crowell.

I also like these players too…
Brian Orakpo, DE Texas (will be praying that he’s still on the board)
Michael Johnson, DE GT
Everette Brown, DE FSU
Brian Cushing, LB USC
Jermaine Gresham, TE Oklahoma
Brandon Spikes, LB Florida

And might I add, many experts considered Lynch and Witner were drafted too early based on value. I have a feeling the Bills pull the trigger early again and take Gresham. The draft is deep if a lot of the juniors enter the draft, and I’ll be happy with the Bills 1st rounder (unless they chose another bust like McCargo or J.P. Loss-man)!

what doesn't kill you, makes you stronger!!!

by rest9 on Jan 2, 2009 7:01 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Aaron Curry gets my vote.

I think Aaron Curry is the top rated player on that board. He’s disruptive, instinctive, smart and causes turnovers. otherwise known as everything the Bills are lacking on defense.

by gatornation on Jan 2, 2009 8:35 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Trade out

Trade down, and grab the best receiving TE in the draft and add another pick or two in the process.

No more high picks spent on WRs, please.

This season has been the worst feeling ever provided by our Bills...a feeling of humiliation. Starting out 5-1 and finishing in last place has been a very cruel tease.

by ChipShot on Jan 2, 2009 9:08 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

People

I suggest we all vote for any CB out there. Than maybe Jouron and company might accidentaly pick a player off this list instead. Hey, they never pick the players any of us want anyway !

by jimkutica on Jan 2, 2009 9:25 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

ha ha

yeah, but the last 2 years the draft picks have been right along what the “experts” have thought. We have filled immediate need with the best at their position in each 2007 and 2008. Whitner is proving not to be a big time playmaker, but I think if our front 7 was studly, he would improve some. The good news is he’s still only 23 and will turn 24 next September. His best football SHOULD be ahead of him.

MARVelous

by MARVelous on Jan 2, 2009 9:37 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I hope so...

what doesn't kill you, makes you stronger!!!

by rest9 on Jan 2, 2009 9:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

but

the key is you can’t screw up trade up decisions like Losman and McCargo. You just cannot do that. That sets a franchise back rather than forward. If guys like Youboty, Derek Fine, Alvin Bowen, Reggie Corner end up paying dividends then we will know that our FO is doing an OK job at scouting, evaluating, and finding guys to fit our systems

MARVelous

by MARVelous on Jan 2, 2009 9:48 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

my vote as of right now.....would be Malcolm Jenkins.....CB.....(if he falls that far)

none of the top DE’s impress me that much……

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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 2, 2009 10:50 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Cali

I like what you write but we have so many more needs than a CB.

by MattRichWarren on Jan 2, 2009 10:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I know this....and you know this.......

but OBD doesnt always pick who “WE” think we should

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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 3, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's

pretty interesting right now where everybody stands. Pretty broad. I imagine it’ll narrow down to 4 or 5 prospects in a couple of months. I’ll do a SURVEY SAYS every now and again to see where the board stands on important issues… this one will pop up repeatedly because there’s so much talent in the 1st round and not much separation between prospects.

When I’m analyzing the draft I usually find myself looking at later round prospects more to find gems and possibly fill holes on the team. But really, the number of holes on this team has diminished every year, which is a credit to our beloved DJ. I really believe the problems with our D is 95% due to scheme and lack of a pass rush. Kelsay, Ellison, and Simpson are the weakest starters we have on D, and they’re all average players… by no means are they the only reason our D was ranked 14th (which is a huge improvement from last year, what more can you ask for?). So now I’ve been solely focusing on our 1st pick… because it is so crucial.

Imagine what our pass rush could be if we have Orakpo and Schobel getting after it. And there’s always the chance that Chris Ellis will pleasantly surprise us. Everybody was disappointed with him, but he was a project from the beginning: when they drafted him he as raw physically and technically.

Imagine what our offense could be like if we get a guy who can handle the DTs in our division and add a TE that can make DCs sweat about defending the middle of the field.

Right Now

Buffalo should try to resign Crowell, draft a DE (1), sign a Center, draft a TE & S (2-3). I wouldn’t even care if we spent picks on DE round 1 AND 2.

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by ForeignArrow on Jan 2, 2009 11:40 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

This type of thing is fun and all,

but we really won’t know who to target in the draft until we finish making our “big splash” in the FA market. But what the hell, it helps pass the time.

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by Joe P. on Jan 2, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yes it does

and i have a feeling our FA will be similar to years past. The Robert Royals, Langston Walkers, Kawika Mitchells of the world. Nothing too great

MARVelous

by MARVelous on Jan 2, 2009 1:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I agree, but I don’t think it will be the Bills fault. I don’t think there will be more than a handful of players available who are any better than the Walker’s and Mitchell’s of the world.

by kaisertown on Jan 2, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If Curry or Andre Smith were still on the board at #11, you’d have to take them. I don’t think they will be though.

My top three that I realistically think will be there would be Mack, Maualaga, and Gresham. I voted for Maualaga. He makes big plays, has that rare size/speed combination, and he plays crazy. We need a little more crazy. Besides, we’d have the craziest hair of any LBing corps in the league.

by PozDispenser on Jan 2, 2009 6:11 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I didn't vote...

and won’t for quite some time yet. As others point out, we have Juniors yet to declare, and I will add, we have the Combine and individual workouts yet as well… I Suffice to say that at least half your list will fall to the end of the round, if not out altogether…
That said, I will be watching the TE’s and C’s closely for the next few months… Mack and/or Gresham may very well fit the billing as the “once every decade” player that would also fill a need for our team…

by Cinga on Jan 2, 2009 8:22 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Everette Brown

Remember the name and if Andre Smith, OT Alabama or Michael Crabtree, WR Texas Tech were there yes we would take them .Kinda like the dt idea though . but we gave up on pat Williams its his curse we cant stop the run

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by EKali81 on Jan 2, 2009 11:15 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Taylor Mays would be my vote

the only issue I would take is that he’s a safety. I would choke if the Bills took yet another DB in the 1st round.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Jan 3, 2009 1:15 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Don't choke

It’s the right choice ;)

Taylor Mays is going to be an impact player in his first year. Mark my words.

Bryon Scott is only average. We need super playmakers at safety. As much as the Bills need DEs, there are none in the draft with the impact Mays can provide right from the get go.

Bills fan half way around the world

by moncheri on Jan 4, 2009 10:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Do we need the immediate impact? It’s not like we’re winning the Super Bowl or the division next year, so why not build the lines for once? DB’s won’t have a huge impact without a pass rush in front of them. We need to build that up first, IMO….

~K
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by Kurupt on Jan 4, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I changed my mind.........

now I want the big fellah from BC BJ RAJI………..him and stroud starting with Kyle Williams and Spencer Johnson rotating in behind would be AWESOME……..

Im sure Brian would be understanding of my decision.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 3, 2009 10:23 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

That I would, sir. That I would.

Really, I’m all about keeping an open mind at this point. There’s a LOT of talent in this year’s draft, and I don’t want to pigeon-hole myself into one position until the chips fall this off-season.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 3, 2009 10:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Its all speculation anyways.......we're not gonna be privied to what OBD wants....

We as fans know what is weak…..but our opinion and the front offices opinion might not be the same…so…its a crap shoot anyways……

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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 3, 2009 11:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why no Brian Orakpo or Jermaine Gresham???

Kinda odd to leave likely the top two guys the Bills will be looking at off the list!
I’d like a trade down for Duke Robinson so we can start giving our two great RB’s the blocking help they deserve and also go for either of Alex Mack or Max Unger in the 2nd or even Luigs in the 3rd instead if we go TE like Coffman in the 2nd or a DE like English or many others! That is if either of Orakpo does’nt fallor Gresham is not our target by value at 11!

Options:Not at all a complete draft but just options depending on how the draft breaks for us on filling our biggest needs and of course we would not draft this many players of the same positions but this is just the guys that could be at value for us per round!
1st-OG Duke Robinson in a trade down if DE Orakpo or TE Gresham is not an option!
2nd-C Alex Mack or C Max Unger or TE Chase Coffman
3rd-DE Larry English or DE Jerry Hughes or C Jonathan Luigs
4th-DE Will Davis or DE Cody Brown
5th-TE Darius Hill
6th-TE Kory Sperry or DE Ian Campbell
7th-QB Josh Freeman

resign Crowell
sign Atogwe,Leftwich or Garcia,Vilma,Birk or Saturday, Owen Daniels if by chance he does not get a 1st round tender!!!

by Fam_1st on Jan 4, 2009 5:45 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Josh Freeman will go WAY before the 7th round. If none of the other Juniors declare, than Freeman could even go in the first round. I’m not a big fan of him, but he seems like a lock to be drafted during day 1.

If the Bills were to go after Duke Robinson, which of Buffalo’s current starters at guard (or I guess RT since Butler could probably be moved outisde) would you prefer get cut or benched?

by kaisertown on Jan 4, 2009 6:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

a Guard?

Really?

We just signed our 2 Guard’s to long term deals. Where is this guy going to play?

How many TE’s do you want to draft? Yikes

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by Kurupt on Jan 4, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And yes our two guards are awesome and really opening up those running lanes!! We have two talented RB’s and we need to give them the Blocking they deserve and what they are getting in quality blocking has to be at or near the bottom of the league!

by Fam_1st on Jan 4, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Center is the biggest problem, by far, on the OL. Butler is pretty good and Dockery’s contract won’t allow him to be replaced. Again, where is this guy supposed to play?

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by Kurupt on Jan 4, 2009 8:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That was not a draft!

I explained in this up above that this was not my mock draft but simply options per round of the positions we need most and depending on the way the draft broke and who fell to us and what direction we went in per round say if we did’nt take a TE until the 5th round—who I though would be the best players per round based on our most pressing needs!! Yikes yeah right, I know my stuff and I clearly did’nt say hey lets take a crap load of TE’s!! And yes Freeman might go very high in this draft and that will be determined by the combine—If he falls into the 4th or lower he would be a good pick but not higher than that as he makes some terrible decisions often and would be a deffinite project!

by Fam_1st on Jan 4, 2009 4:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

If Curry is still available at #11

Then take him and find a way to trade back to get Mack. Curry looks like one hell of an impact player and there seems to be concensus that Mack will still be there in the late part of round 1…

Does anyone know which other team is looking for a top center this year?

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by keysh67 on Jan 4, 2009 5:46 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Revised actual mock draft

Options follow each player based on who we take in each round as it goes and these are only our largest needs!
Sign-Owen Daniels,Jason Brown,Michael Boley,Oshomogho Atogwe,Vilma,Garcia

Trade down 1st OG-Duke Robinson/DE-Brian Orakpo/LB-Aaron Curry/TE-Jermaine Gresham
2nd C-Alex Mack/C-Max Unger/DE*LB-Greg Hardy
from Trade 3rd TE-Chase Coffman/TE-T.Beckum/DE-M.Shaughnessy
3rd DE*LB-Larry English/C-J.Luigs/C-Eric Wood/WR-Hakeem Nicks
4th QB-Josh Freeman/C-A.Caldwell
5th DE-Will Davis/TE-D.Hill/DE-G.Middleton
6th TE-Kory Sperry/DE-Ian Campbell
7th DT-Jarron Gilbert/C-AQ Shipley

by Fam_1st on Jan 4, 2009 6:09 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Curry

I voted for Curry because I’ve seen him play more than any of the other players on the board and I think he’s not only a athletic guy who can make a difference in terms of the pass rush, but has solid hands and can make plays back in coverage as well, something our current LBs are not as strong at. He’s also an outstanding leader and comes from a great coach in Jim Grobe.

If he wasn’t available second vote would be for Alex Mack, and if not him then third would be Selvie.

by sabre74kkn on Jan 4, 2009 8:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

SURVEY SAYS

Well, about 36% of voters reached for a player of need (28% reached for Alex Mack and 8% reached for George Selvie as of this posting). 64% of voters went with their perceived “best available” of the choices that were given. Now, there were some players left off that could have satisfied both parameters… but that was the rub with this poll. Personally, I don’t think it is wise to pass on impact players in the 1st round to fill a need. I think the Buffalo Bills should do everything they can in free agency to prevent that from even being an issue. Center is not a position that needs to be drafted necessarily. In fact, if you are all looking for someone to step in right away and have an impact on the line then a rookie center is not the best place to turn. I don’t want a rookie calling out line adjustments against the Baltimores and Pittsburghs of the world, do you? I would prefer a veteran player to be brought in. And it seems hard to believe the Bills could find someone worse than Preston or Fowler at run blocking. Good centers should be available in the 3rd or 4th rounds and they can be coached up for a while.

After watching Baltimore’s defense today, I’ve been pushed in the direction of acquiring world-beater athletes that can simply physically dominate a game. The Raven’s defense is full of players at every level that can change the game on any play. Whether it starts with Terrell Suggs getting pressure on the QB and forcing an INT to Ed Reed, or if it’s Haloti Ngata clogging the middle and allowing Ray Lewis and Bart Scott to blow up running backs. The amount of talent they’ve accrued has even allowed former Bills Justin Bannan and Jim Leonhard to make differences for them.

So come April, if the Bills call out Taylor Mays or Terrence Cody or Rey Maualuga I will not be shedding tears because we had bigger needs.

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by ForeignArrow on Jan 5, 2009 1:29 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Center is taken care of with the 2nd round pick depending on who falls out of Mack and Unger or we could go in a different direction with that pick if a player of a different position who is highly rated on our board falls to our pick in the 2nd and then pick up Luigs or Wood in the 3rd! I also wanna saythat I really like this DE Will Davis of Illinois and I just hope we get him and that he does’nt sky rocket to high up the draft rankings leading up to it! As far as where we play Duke Robinson? Well we have our needs and I think other than TE and possibly QB we are pretty decent enough in other areas and depite the money we spent on our O-line that it still is not opening the run lanes and I feel like Duke Robinson would be the mauler we need, I would say that he would deffinitly puch Dockery to step up his game and most likely replace Butler at RG and allow us to have way more leverage in case of another likely Peters hold out or if we get a possible offer of a 1st round pick for Peters than we can feel comfortable that Butler could play his old position of RT and Walker at LT! I mean looking at it I dought Butler would do to much worse than Peters did this year when he led all LT’s in the NFL in sacks allowed in less than a full season and also we will not be seeing any distractions from Butler at RT!!! I think it is a very safe thing to do and of course if there was a trade for Peters for a 1st round pick than you can add another high rated player to that group of picks and go for maybe Jermaine Gresham with that pick or possibly Mauluaga or who Knows maybe E.Brown even though I feel he is better suited as a 3-4 OLB in the NFL at his size!

by Fam_1st on Jan 5, 2009 2:47 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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