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Does Ralph Wilson belong in the Hall of Fame?

Before I get people complaining that he settles for mediocre coaching or he doesn't have a winning attitude, I want you to read the entire article to get a sense of Wilson's accomplishments in his almost 50 years of pro football.  Then you can make an accurate decision before answering the poll.

The Hall of Fame Finalists

At least four candidates must be elected from the 17 listed but the total class cannot number more than seven.  In order to be elected they must receive 80% of a yes/no vote.  Here is the complete list of finalists: Bruce Smith, DE; Rod Woodson, DB; Shannon Sharpe, TE; John Randle, DE; Dermonti Dawson, C; Cortez Kennedy, DT; Cris Carter, WR; Andre Reed, WR; Richard Dent, DE; Russ Grimm, OL; Bob Kuechenberg, OL; Randall McDaniel, OL; Derrick Thomas, LB; Paul Tagliabue, Commissioner; Ralph Wilson, Buffalo Bills Owner; Claude Humphrey, DE; Bob Hayes, WR.

Wilson's legacy is a long and storied one.  Keep reading to make up your mind whether he belongs in the Hall of Fame or not.

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Wilson's Legacy

Let's start at the beginning of the franchise and the AFL.  Originally, Wilson was a part owner of the NFL's Detroit Lions.  He heard about Lamar Hunt's plan to put together a new league and tried to form a franchise in Miami but was rejected.  In 1960 Wilson founded the Buffalo Bills as the seventh of the eight original American Football League franchises.  Collectively, these owners were known as "The Foolish Club". 

In the beginning, members of the NFL and the sports media regarded the AFL with considerable skepticism. Even though the early years of the AFL were at best a struggle and Wilson was losing money, he “never once thought of throwing in the towel or selling the team.”  Wilson made small market football a success by signing such stars as Cookie Gilchrist, Jack Kemp, Tom Sestak and Billy Shaw.  He was a guiding force in AFL policies that ensured the success of every team, such as gate and television revenue sharing.  In 1961, with the rival Oakland Raiders in financial difficulty, Wilson loaned the club $400,000. Wilson helped keep the franchise afloat, likely saving the entire league from folding. 

In the early years of the AFL, the Bills reached postseason play for four consecutive years, 1963–1966 winning the championship in 1964 and 1965.  (They lost to New England in a playoff in 1963 and to Kansas City in 1966, just missing the first Super Bowl.)  In November 1963, Wilson lobbied successfully to have American Football League games postponed the Sunday after President John F. Kennedy's assassination, while NFL games went on uninterrupted.

“The Foolish Club” did succeed and following initial talks in January 1965 between Wilson and the late Carroll Rosenbloom, then owner of the NFL’s Baltimore Colts, a full merger plan between the two leagues was developed and implemented.  A former President of the AFL, Wilson served on the Expansion Committee of the AFL and the AFL-NFL Negotiations Committee.

Buffalo fan support has been magnificent under Wilson (whether you can attribute it to him or not).  Attendance demands forced the expansion of the Bills' first inner-city home, War Memorial Stadium, from 26,000 to 45,748 during the 13 seasons the Bills played there. In 1973, the Bills moved to Rich Stadium in suburban Orchard Park, NY. Buffalo fans set an NFL single-season attendance record of 635,889 in 1991. Through it all, Wilson has remained as one of the longest-serving owners, in terms of longevity, in the entire pro football world.  He has owned the Bills for 48 years and counting.

Wilson continues to be one of the league's most outspoken owners. He was one of only two owners (the Cincinnati Bengals' Mike Brown being the other) to oppose the league's current collective bargaining agreement, citing it's lack of sustainability for small market teams due to the high revenue alloted to players.  He was recently proven correct with new talks that the NFL owners are unhappy with the revenue sharing portion of the Collective Bargaining Agreement and may reject the final year of the current CBA.

Once described as the “conscience” of the NFL, Wilson has also served as the Chairman of NFL Pension Committee and Labor Committee and currently serves on the Board of NFL Charities, the Super Bowl Site Selection Committee, and the NFL’s Expansion Committee.

Contributors in the Hall of Fame

The Pro Football Hall of Fame is mainly a player's Hall of Fame.  Only 17 of the 247 members of the Hall of Fame are listed as contributors.  The other owners already enshrined are: Bert Bell, owner of the Eagles and later the Steelers; Charles Bidwell, owner of the Chicago Cardinals; Al Davis, owner of the Raiders; George Halas, NFL founder and owner of the Bears; Lamar Hunt, co-founder of the AFL and Kansas City Chiefs Owner; Tim Mara, founder and owner of the Giants and Wellington Mara, owner of the Giants; George Marshall, original owner of the Redskins; Dan Reeves, owner of the Rams; Art Rooney, original owner of the Steelers; and finally Dan Rooney, owner of the Steelers.  The other contributors enshrined are NFL presidents, team administrators, and NFL administrators. 

Now it's your turn to vote.  Does Ralph Wilson belong in the Pro Football Hall of Fame?  Is he going to make it this year?

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Does Ralph Wilson belong in the Hall of Fame?
Yes
40 votes
No
11 votes

51 votes | Poll has closed

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I can counter your flowery comentary on Wilson. He has been a hanger oner for ever. The only thing you can give him credit for is longevity

by Tom Cluchey on Jan 10, 2009 2:20 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's not my flowery commentary on Wilson

It’s a list of what he has done since he entered the league. Did you want me to grow through and list his screw ups? When a QB is up for the Hall do they list his interceptions totals?

by MattRichWarren on Jan 10, 2009 2:31 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As a matter of fact, they do.

by rexob on Jan 11, 2009 10:18 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so I guess Brett Farve isn't getting in then....

There is only one NFL football team that plays in New York state...and Canada?

by MonStarr_716 on Jan 11, 2009 10:19 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Did I say that? When a QB is up for consideration, all his statistics are mentioned. That includes INTs.

Favre will get in on the first ballot and he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. But wouldn’t he be more deserving if he didn’t have a tendency to throw 20-30 picks a year?

by rexob on Jan 11, 2009 10:22 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But wouldn’t he be more deserving if he didn’t have a tendency to throw 20-30 picks a year?

No. If so why? It’s a collective….if he didn’t own almost every other QB record, 3 MVP’s and a SB ring…then maybe

There is only one NFL football team that plays in New York state...and Canada?

by MonStarr_716 on Jan 11, 2009 10:24 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Check out this link

Here is Jim Kelley’s official Hall of Fame bio….. show me where it lists his fumbles, interceptions, incompletions, and failed 4th quarter comebacks. I’m just saying normally on their Hall of Fame bios they list accomplishments. Brett Favre will be the NFL all-time leader in INTs so it may be on his bio. You can call it rosy if you want but they focus on the good.

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by MattRichWarren on Jan 11, 2009 10:32 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he already is...
Brett Favre will be the NFL all-time leader in INTs so it may be on his bio

Broke that record last year….

There is only one NFL football team that plays in New York state...and Canada?

by MonStarr_716 on Jan 11, 2009 10:44 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Click on the statistics button and you’ll see his INTs and incompletions.

And frankly, if the voters didn’t consider his fumbles and failed 4Q comebacks when voting, they ought to be replaced. Kelly (no second E in his name) made the Hall despite any negative numbers because his positives far outweighed the negatives. You’d never find a QB with similar positive numbers get into the Hall if he turns the ball over 2-3 times a game because the bad would outweigh the good.

All of which is to say that when considering who gets into the Hall of Fame, you’d have to be a fool only to look at the good numbers.

by rexob on Jan 11, 2009 1:06 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ha

I misspelled our most storied player’s name. Lame.

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by MattRichWarren on Jan 11, 2009 9:04 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dear Devil

Don’t you think that the sports writers look at all his statistics?

   Passing Rushing
Year Team G Att. Comp. Pct. Yds. TD Int Rating No. Yds. Avg. TD
1986 Buffalo 16 480 285 59.4 3593 22 17 83.3 41 199 4.9 0
1987 Buffalo 12 419 250 59.7 2798 19 11 83.8 29 133 4.6 0
1988 Buffalo 16 452 269 59.5 3380 15 17 78.2 35 154 4.4 0
1989 Buffalo 13 391 228 58.3 3130 25 18 86.2 29 137 4.7 2
1990 Buffalo 14 346 219 63.3 2829 24 9 101.2 22 63 2.9 0
1991 Buffalo 15 474 304 64.1 3844 33 17 97.6 20 45 2.3 1
1992 Buffalo 16 462 269 58.2 3457 23 19 81.2 31 53 1.7 1
1993 Buffalo 16 470 288 61.3 3382 18 18 79.9 36 102 2.8 0
1994 Buffalo 14 448 285 63.6 3114 22 17 84.6 25 77 3.1 1
1995 Buffalo 15 458 255 55.7 3130 22 13 81.1 17 20 1.2 0
1996 Buffalo 13 379 222 58.6 2810 14 19 73.2 19 66 3.5 2
Career Totals 160 4779 2874 60.1 35467 237 175 84.4 304 1049 3.5 7

by Tom Cluchey on Jan 12, 2009 12:11 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm saying they emphasize the positive....

I’m never said that negative statistics don’t count, I was saying that they emphasize the positive contribution of a player or contributor. If Wilson had damaged the league or been detrimental I’m sure they would have considerted it. To simply say he has longevity and that’s the reason he should be in or use that argument is flawed. The original point of my comment was you called this a flowery commentary. It’s a listing of the accomplishments from the pro football hall of fame bio and Wilson’s bio. I am putting together similar posts on Andre Reed, Bruce Smith, and Steve Tasker discussing their greatness and accomplishments. I will use the same materials but because you like them you won’t call them “flowery”. It’s a double standard for Wilson.

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by MattRichWarren on Jan 12, 2009 9:20 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh really?

Suppose there was a QB who threw 30 TDs every year, but 40 INTs. He plays 15 years or so, racks up 40,000 yards and 450 TDs — those are HoF numbers, right? But he also has 600 picks and his team never wins because he’s always giving the game away with his turnovers.

Favre may have set all the records and he may belong in the HoF, but he’s not in the same league as Montana, Elway, Manning, and Brady.

by rexob on Jan 11, 2009 1:02 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wilson deserves credit for what he has done for the Bills and the NFL

He belongs in the HOF. That said, his time has come and gone. The way he is allowing the Bills to be run now is a disgrace. Ralf, please do us one final thing and sell this team to someone who wants to keep it in Buffalo NOW !!!!

"The Bills have no playoff aspirations"

by Joe P. on Jan 10, 2009 2:54 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agree

The Raiders probably wouldn’t be in existance right now if not for Ralph. This team was a force in the later days of the AFL (’64 – ’65) and a lot of that credit needs to go to Wilson. For that he deserves induction into the HOF. Is his time pasted? probably.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Jan 10, 2009 3:02 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Raiders probably wouldn’t be in existance right now if not for Ralph.

Wait, that’s a good thing?

~K
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by Kurupt on Jan 11, 2009 2:08 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes,

Without the Raiders we couldn’t say;“At least we are not as bad as the Raiders” :-)

"The Bills have no playoff aspirations"

by Joe P. on Jan 11, 2009 8:33 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But we have the Lions!

~K
"I’m Kurupt with Buffalo Rumblings. I am worth hundreds!"

by Kurupt on Jan 11, 2009 11:52 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Even though I think you were joking...

If the Raiders fold, the AFL looks like a second-rate league. DO the rest of the teams lose money because of it and the AFL end up folding? Hard to say but I think it was definitely better for everyone concerned for the Raiders to stay in the league.

BTW – Al Davis is in the hall. Would he be if the Raiders had been allowed to fold?

by MattRichWarren on Jan 11, 2009 10:18 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh really

Who would miss the Raiders anyway

by Tom Cluchey on Jan 12, 2009 12:13 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Raiders fans.

I made the arguement on the Andre Reed HOF post that if Art Monk is in the HOF then Reed should be. I will make a similar one here, if Al Davis is in the HOF then Ralph should be.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Jan 12, 2009 10:12 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

More to come on Reed.....

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by MattRichWarren on Jan 12, 2009 1:44 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ralph is definitely HOF worthy. He shouldn’t go in this year though with all the great players who he is up against. It will be a complete shame if Ralph doesn’t make the HOF in his lifetime.

by kaisertown on Jan 10, 2009 3:40 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mixed Feelings

There are many plusses and minuses on Ralph’s long record of ownership. If a player has an exceptionally long career as a starter it usually means he was very, very good. On the other hand, I think owners must have 3 things to last a long time:

1. A lot of money, earned or inherited and
2. the good fortune, genes or healthy lifestyle to live a long time and
3. either really good business sense or the desire and wherewithal to own a sports team, whether or not it makes money

None of those things mean that the football team will be successful on the field. Ralph certainly has the first two. When it comes to #3 I think he certainly has good business sense, and enough of an ego and interest in football to keep the team if it at least breaks even, but I don’t think he’d keep it if it were a consistent money loser. Even rich guys can run out of money if they lose it for long enough.
Ralph has had to make it work in Buffalo, NY. He had for foresight, fortitude and, perhaps, good fortune to have bought in early at a low price. When he started the franchise Buffalo was ranked as the 18th most populous metro area in the U.S. Now it’s number 46 (although we’re fortunate to have Rochester, Hamilton and Toronto nearby.) We all know about the economics of smalll market vs. large market franchises. The NFL is smart enough to share ticket revenues and promote parity to help support the smaller markets, keeping fan interest levels high in many cities, but Buffalo is certainly at a disadvantage due to shinking population and low per capita income. Over time we have been dismayed at some of Ralph’s decisions on personnel, involvement with drafting and apparent penny pinching. It’s easy for a fan to think that the ownership should just pay up when a franchise favorite is holding out or a free agent we really need is up for grabs, because the guy is “worth it.”. The team has to be financially viable, though, and it’s tough when you have to face the reality of Buffalo as your revenue base. We get mad at Ralph if he talks about the possibility of moving the team if he doesn’t get a new stadium or build and buy new private boxes, but the Bills aren’t revenue-competitive without them. Whether we like it or not, communities have to participate in financially supporting sports teams like this or they will lose them to other cities that will.
We all wish Ralph would promise to spend and do whatever it takes to win the Superbowl, and promise to never leave Buffalo or sell the team to anyone who won’t make the same commitment, but it really wouldn’t make much sense for him to do that. He wouldn’t have gotten the stadium in Orchard Park, the stadium upgrades a few years ago or the community effort to get tickets and boxes sold if we and our political “leaders” had no pressure to get those things done. We probably would have had a white elephant dome in Lancaster and Bills might have been gone by the mid 1970s.
I think Ralph has been a clear-thinking business man who has expressed his loyalty to Buffalo by doing the best he can to keep the team financially viable HERE. People thought Ralph was getting senile when he said he didn’t understand why the current labor agreement with the players made sense for the owners, particularly in the small markets, but I think a lot of people have come around to his way of thinking. We can certainly question his judgment about how the on-the-field product has been managed; the mediocre and bad seasons have outweighed the good ones. He has been excessively loyal to some of his less-than-stellar management, at times (I prefer cold-hearted, calculating and shrewd management of my favorite teams, but I don’t prefer it where I work.)
I think Ralph could have made a lot more money on his investment if he would have announced his intention to move the franchise and then auctioned it off to the highest bidder who would offer a fabulous new stadium with naming rights, tax abatements, all the concession and parking revenue, statue of himself made of something that couldn’t be vandalized, etc. There are many larger cities without NFL franchises. Some of them are much larger — L.A. and San Antonio come to mind. Keeping the team in Buffalo has been a financial sacrifice for him (although it has at least one benefit — a very short commute from Detroit as compared to San Antonio). Loyalty is a two-way street. I think the fans have demonstrated it, and so has Ralph (sometimes to our detriment, when it comes to keeping some of his lieutenants too long.) His efforts to help the small market franchises hasn’t been just a selfish thing; it is to the benefit to the whole league to keep all of the teams financially healthy. It makes the product better and promotes a wider fan base. I think Bills fans are fans are fortunate that we have an owner who has been loyal to this fan base. I just wish he had been better at assembling the football management needed to produce success on the field. I am not hopeful that they’ll win a Super Bowl before Ralph goes to meet his Maker, but I hope the BUFFALO Bills win one before I do.
So, what should the criteria be for an owner to get into the football HOF? Should it be based on the owners contributions to the success of the league, the success of the owner’s franchise on the field, or both? It’s easier to measure success on the field than it is to access contributions to success of the league. It is clear that the NFL has been very successful. Many people point to the Giants-Colts title game in 1958 as the beginning of the league’s ascent to its current status, but there have been many decisions on the business side that have contributed. Ralph has been involved in the league since that “Greatest Game” and has been a player in many of the big business decisions the league has made, in some cases where he went against the majority view.
I think Ralph is HOF material when it comes to the business side of promoting the success of the league, and part of that is the league creating a system where each team has the opportunity to assemble the talent to win. If that’s the main criterion, Ralph should be in. On the other hand, if the main criterion is success in taking advantage of that opportunity to assemble to talent to win, Ralph has not distinguished himself.
My personal feeling is that the owner HOF qualification should be based more on the success of the overall business — contributions to the league and the game — rather than the success of the individual franchise. So I think Ralph belongs.
As skeptical as I am about Ralph and the current braintrust assembling a Super Bowl team, I hope Ralph lives as long as I do, and he has about 35 years on me. I think the Bills are gone not long after he dies. As exasperating as they can be, here I am, 45 years after seeing the Bills play for the time, writing a post to a Bills blog.

by Gino Parilli on Jan 11, 2009 3:02 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes

But, like some of you have said I hope things turn around and don’t tarnish his image. Al Davis looked a whole lot better 5 years ago didn’t he?

by o.c.blazerfan on Jan 12, 2009 3:13 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bpb Matthews at the Rochester D&C ranks Wilson...

16th of 17 candidates… ouch.

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20090111/SPORTS0101/901110340/tbd

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by MattRichWarren on Jan 13, 2009 9:59 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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