Does Andre Reed belong in the Hall of Fame?
The Hall of Fame Finalists
At least four candidates must be elected from the 17 listed but the total class cannot number more than seven. In order to be elected they must receive 80% of a yes/no vote. Here is the complete list of finalists: Bruce Smith, DE; Rod Woodson, DB; Shannon Sharpe, TE; John Randle, DE; Dermonti Dawson, C; Cortez Kennedy, DT; Cris Carter, WR; Andre Reed, WR; Richard Dent, DE; Russ Grimm, OL; Bob Kuechenberg, OL; Randall McDaniel, OL; Derrick Thomas, LB; Paul Tagliabue, Commissioner; Ralph Wilson, Buffalo Bills Owner; Claude Humphrey, DE; Bob Hayes, WR.
Last week, I posted the career accomplishments of Ralph C. Wilson, Jr. and debated his worthiness for the Hall of Fame. He founded the Bills as an original AFL franchise and helped the AFL and later the NFL grow to new hieghts. Today we look at Andre Reed and his candidacy.
Reed's Legacy
According to ESPN's Tim Graham, Reed is "a lightning rod for Hall of Fame debate." We saw him as an unstoppable force, especially in the playoffs and his numbers at the time he retired spoke for themselves... that is until he became eligible for Hall consideration.
In 1985, the Buffalo Bills used their fourth round pick in the draft to select wide receiver Andre Reed out of little-known Kutztown State University. The fact that the Bills also used a second round pick to select a wide receiver, and already had a Pro Bowl receiver in Jerry Butler, suggested that Reed would have to distinguish himself just to make the team. Reed, however, not only made the team, he managed to play 15 seasons with the Bills (1985-1999) and one final year with the Washington Redskins (2000). In the process he was selected to play in seven consecutive Pro Bowls (1989-1995), rewrote the Bills’ record book and added several entries in the NFL’s record book.
When Reed retired, he was considered one of the greatest "yards after catch" receivers and his 951 career receptions ranked third in league history. His 13 seasons, including nine straight in which he recorded 50-plus receptions is exceeded only by Jerry Rice. Eight years after he retied, though, Reed has dropped to sixth on the list with a total that doesn't look nearly as impressive as offenses have evolved. As an example, Larry Centers had more catches than Steve Largent. Reed, who will be surpassed by tight end Tony Gonzalez next year, has 68 more catches than Keenan McCardell.
The most prolific receiver in Bills history, Reed, a four-time All-AFC choice, is still the team’s all-time leading receiver with 941 receptions - 266 more than number two on the list, Eric Moulds. His 13,095 career reception yards are still a team best (4,000 above Moulds), as are his 36 games with 100-plus receiving yards and his single-game mark of 15 receptions.
A scoring threat, Reed is tied with Bills running back Thurman Thomas for most career touchdowns (87), most of which came on passes from Hall of Fame quarterback Jim Kelly. The Kelly-Reed tandem also held the NFL record for career completions (663) until 2004 when it was eclipsed by the Indianapolis Colts combination of Peyton Manning and Marvin Harrison.
Reed made most of his career receptions over the middle where hard-hitting linebackers and safeties often lurked. "He was really good at running the short route and turning it into a long gain," said teammate Steve Tasker. "Jim (Kelly) loved it because it was an easy throw for a lot of yards. We all loved it because he could turn a nothing five-yard completion into a 65-yard touchdown. That's what Andre's gift was."
Reed added an additional 85 catches for 1,229 yards, including five 100-yard games, in the post-season during his career. He started in five AFC Championship games and four Super Bowls.
So why is he a "lightning rod"? Here's Graham's take:
He retired with the requisite stats, but as NFL offenses have evolved into highly efficient passing systems, what Reed accomplished becomes less and less impressive as time goes by.
The man many people identify Reed's candidacy with is Art Monk. Monk retired in 1995 with the league record for catches in hand. By 2000, when he became eligible for induction, Jerry Rice, Cris Carter and Reed had passed him on the receptions list and many names were climbing very fast. Monk's stats didn't look as impressive. He was an eight-time finalist when he entered the Hall of Fame last summer.
Wide Receivers in the Hall of Fame
Currently, 19 receivers are in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, the most recent being Monk last year and Michael Irvin the year before. This year, Carter and Bob Hayes are also finalists for the Hall. Hayes is a Senior Committee Nominee. He played on the Dallas Cowboys from 1965-1974. Reed will mainly be battling Carter for enshrinement and Carter has superior career numbers. He has 701 more receiving yards than Reed, 150 more receptions and 43 more touchdowns and they both played in the exact same number of regular season games (234). Reed's post-season numbers dwarf Carter's, however. I would expect that in order for Reed to get in this year, Carter would also have to be elected.
My opinion
"In 2005, Reed should join his coach and Quarterback, Jim Kelly, in Pro Football’s Hall of Fame..."
Doing my research for this post, I came across the above quote on Reed's official website where he lists himself as "Future Hall of Fame and Former Buffalo Bills Running Back" on the top headline. (Seriously. Running back. Look it up.) The fact that he wrote "Future Hall of Fame" kinda rubs me the wrong way, even if it's true. In his biography it mentions "Future Hall of Fame" five times and says Reed "will be broadcasting for the NFL or NCAA in the near future". Why am I mentioning this? Could his attitude be rubbing voters the wrong way? I can't remember where I read that his griping is having a negative impact on his goodwill, but I have read it.
If you narrow the focus to this year I don't think Reed gets in. Monk getting in last year bodes well for Reed by comparisons to Monk and by freeing up the logjam at receiver. In the coming years Carter, Reed, Jerry Rice, and several other receivers should enter. If Carter goes in this year, expect Reed to follow next year. If not, you can expect Reed to wait a while before changing his website from "Future Hall of Famer" to "Hall Of Famer".
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New comments from Graham
Here’s the feedback from Bills fans to Tim Graham from his article about Reed:
Shane in Syracuse, N.Y., writes: It’s clear that you bring a Bills bias to your ESPN blog, probably over-compensating for your years at the Buffalo News. You’re not struck by greatness when looking at Andre Reed? Please. He was a main cog in an almost unprecedentedly efficient offensive machine. Any good reporter knows that when looking at statistics he has to count for inflation. Comparing him to Kennan McCardell is just maddening. Your blog becomes less impressive with each passing month… Hockey/Boxing writer turned ESPN corporate blogging hack!
Tim Graham: Perhaps I failed in my delivery because the entire premise of my post about Reed’s credentials was about inflation. And I didn’t compare him toKeenan McCardell, Derrick Mason or Larry Centers . I compared Reed’s stats to theirs. When people look back on Reed’s career, he will be hurt by the fact receptions aren’t as hard to come by anymore. Sorry if that offends you, but it’s the truth.
James in Endicott, N.Y., writes: Sir: Reed was the dominate receiver on the dominate team of his era. While some may equal, nobody has ever bettered his YAC ability. Let’s get to the heart of it here—just like making T.Thomas wait, yes, even one year—this is about disrespecting the Bills of that era. And that’s just nonsense. I’m not going to get into a deep defense of those teams—let’s just start with the NFC teams they beat on the road in that era—and you can go from there. All I saw was greatness, my friend.
Tim Graham: If you’re convinced there’s a conspiracy by the Hall of Fame electors to make Buffalo Bills wait for enshrinement, then all I can say is I hope you avoid those dastardly alien probes I’ve been hearing so much about in the Southern Tier.
Darren from Parts Unknown writes: > Andre was considered the best RAC receiver in the league behind Jerry Rice. > Defensively teams game planned to stop Andre Reed unsuccessfully every week. > For years the Bills next leading receiver behind Andre Reed wasn’t even a WR (Thurman Thomas). > For years Andre Reed didn’t have that “second receiver” to take the coverages away from him. (i.e. Rice-Taylor, Irvin-Harper, etc.) Cris Carter was able to get the majority of his catches because he had Anthony Carter, Jake Reed and Randy Moss on the other side. > He is part of the best QB-WR tandem in football history
Tim Graham: I don’t disagree. But for a little context — and to play devil’s advocate because I enjoy it — opponents game plan for Derrick Mason every week, it wasn’t uncommon for running backs (Roger Craig, Keith Byars, Ronnie Harmon, Centers, et al) to have a lot of catches back then, and Mark Clayton (not in the Hall of Fame) is half of one of the NFL’s greatest passer-catcher tandems.
That said, Reed belongs in the Hall of Fame.
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afceast/0-4-744/AFC-East-mailbag-on-your-doorstep.html
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 13, 2009 9:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Bob Matthews at the Rochester D&C ranks Reed 8th of the 17
Remember 7 max make it.
http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20090111/SPORTS0101/901110340/tbd
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 13, 2009 9:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Just so you're not the only one talking here
I think he gets in, but I think he’s gonna need to wait a year. Don’t know why, honestly, just a gut feeling.
John Madden told me 90% of the game was half-mental...
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Jan 13, 2009 10:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
No way
that Reed makes it in this year, not with Cris Carter on the ballot. while I think Reed is every bit Carters equal I’m not sure the voters share that same sentiment.
by gatornation on Jan 14, 2009 8:21 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
He belongs in.
Last year when Michael Irvin was elected in front of Cris Carter and Andre Reed it was a joke. How can Michael Irving be in the HOF and neithir Carter or Reed is? Irvin was not the all arounf receiver either on of these guys were he did not go over the middle and make as many tough catches. Infact the only career statistic he is better than Carter or Reed is yards/catch. If you are going to allow Michael Irvin in the HOF then there is no doubt that you have to put in Cris Carter and Andre Reed.
A top tier defensive end can make the entire defense better!!!
by kenner70 on Jan 14, 2009 9:02 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I said it in the last post you did
If Art Monk is in, then Reed should get in, he might have to wait a year or two though.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Jan 14, 2009 11:34 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Definitely Hall of Fame worthy
I personally think he’s more of a Hall of Famer than Kelly. As for that Irvin argument…It’s apples and oranges- Irvin was every bit as dominant as Reed- Reed’s numerical superiority over Irvin is based on longevity. That should be a factor for the Hall of Fame, but not the only factor. Irvin was a beast in the playoffs, and finished only 1200 or so career receiving yards behind Reed despite playing 75 less games.
I think a couple things will keep Reed out for a while.
What is he best known for, at least by national sports writers?
His costly temper tantrums in Super Bowl XXVI and in Miami, and maybe his disappearing act in the 2nd half of Super Bowl XXV. A lot of people will remember him for the comeback game, and they should….but I think the lasting image of Reed among NFL fans, will sadly be the way he ripped his helmet off and spiked it on the field against Washington in XXVI.
by Make a play Whitner on Jan 14, 2009 12:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
My cut and paste from old fan post
YES
You can’t discredit him because the game has evolved. Look at some of the receivers in the HOF from the early days. Their numbers don’t come close, but they were still great players. If Art Monk, Steve Largent, Charlie Joiner, Tommy McDonald, Pete Pihos, John Stallworth, Bill Hewitt, Wayne Millner and Dante Lavelli are in Andre Reed should definitely be in.
Hopefully this year, but most probably he will have to wait a year or two.
by o.c.blazerfan on Jan 14, 2009 2:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It's a shame but...
Guys like Reed retire at the top of the stats heap, and then five or ten years later it gets held against them that the game has changed and guys have broken their records since then.
This may be a bit simplistic but I think it’s a better idea to begin your analysis at where a guy ranked when he retired, rather than today. An example I like to use is Roger Staubach. Look at his primary stats:
1,685 passes for 22,700 yards and 153 touchdowns. Two Rings, but one as a starter.
He was the top rated passer of all time when he retired in 1980 but those stats look positively quaint today. Granted, Roger’s already in the Hall but the point is – should we look back on Roger now as anything less than one of the best to ever play just because his stats look somewhat ordinary by today’s standards?
Of course not. The game, as several have mentioned, evolves over time. You have to start by rating the player against his era, and look at his overall impact on the game when he played, at least in my opinion.
I don’t know what the solution is but I think it is a mistake to base HOF voting simply on raw statistical data, especially when the player has been retired for many years. Andre Reed was a force and was without question one of the dominant receivers of his time. I guess it is just my opinion but I say he goes in.
by TheMastermind on Jan 14, 2009 2:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
This may be a bit simplistic but I think it’s a better idea to begin your analysis at where a guy ranked when he retired, rather than today.
That info is in there. He retied third is receptions behind Rice and Carter. If it’s the reason he is not garnering more support for his candidacy, though, then I am going to mention it in the post.
And the Pro Football Hall doesn’t use stats as much as the Baseball Hall of Fame does. I like stats and use them in my argument but they are not the only definition of greatness especially when comparing eras with rule changes.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 14, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.buffalonews.com/opinion/columns/jerrysullivan/story/550850.html
Jerry Sullivan advocates voting Reed in….
BTW – I don’t like Sullivan since he’s Mr. Negatory
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 18, 2009 5:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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