State of the Bills Roster: Cornerbacks
The "State of the Bills Roster" series trucks on! If you're new around these parts within the past nine months or so, this series is an off-season progression of posts in which we'll break down Buffalo's roster in-depth. From these discussions, we'll put together a "Community Needs List" in priority order, then begin researching potential free agent and draft acquisitions that will satisfy all of the Bills' needs as we perceive them.
We continue our foray into heavy-duty off-season work at Buffalo Rumblings right now. It's our "State of the Roster" series, off-season mode, and we'll continue the discussions by breaking down the Bills' situation at cornerback..
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Opening statement
I'm a bit dazed and confused here, folks. Why? Well, we've finally reached a position on the Buffalo Bills roster to analyze that, for all intents and purposes, is set for 2009. How bizarre is that? Not that bizarre, actually, considering the Bills spent the majority of their time last April addressing the position. Even with Jabari Greer being the Bills' biggest-name free agent, his future with the team doesn't leave much question that this position is the strength of Buffalo's defense.
#24 Terrence McGee (starter)
5'9", 198 pounds
Age: 29 in October 2009
Contract status: 1 year remaining (UFA after 2009); owed $3M in base salary.
- With Buffalo's top cornerback, we have now reached the eye of the storm in terms of how the Bills will approach this position in the upcoming months. The coaching staff likes McGee, and with one poor showing in Miami aside, he had a solid (yet highly unspectacular) season in 2008. But after this coming season - his last under his current deal - he'll be entering a season in which he'll turn 30, and he's had some injury issues to deal with over the past couple of seasons. Long story short: he's only border-line reliable as a top cornerback in this league. In deciding what to do with other corners on their roster, the Bills need to first make a decision on McGee's future with the franchise.
#28 Leodis McKelvin (starter)
5'11", 190 pounds
Age: 24 in September 2009
Contract status: Entering second year of 5-year, $19.4M deal.
- Looking at the cornerback position realistically, three items of interest quickly become obvious: McGee will start in 2009, Greer's status is uncertain, and McKelvin has a ton of upside. He established himself as a playmaker at the end of his rookie season, and though he's still green in terms of technique at the corner position, he was able to make up for those shortcomings with phenomenal athleticism. Regardless of what the coaching staff decides in terms of McGee and Greer, McKelvin is the future at this position. There's no way he's not one of the two starters in 2009.
#33 Jabari Greer
5'11", 180 pounds
Age: 27 in February 2009
Contract status: Unrestricted Free Agent.
- It's tough to envision a scenario in which Greer returns to Buffalo in 2009. In the prime of his career, Greer is coming off of his best season as a pro, and as an unrestricted free agent that hasn't made a ton of money in his time in Buffalo, he's got some catching up to do. The Bills have McGee and three young cornerbacks forming the nucleus of the position, so Greer is largely a short-term luxury for the Bills. That will likely cool their interest this off-season, making it more likely that Greer gets a lucrative deal from another team. That's not a bad thing, Bills fans.
The rest of the cornerbacks are after the jump, including breakdowns.
#26 Ashton Youboty
5'11", 189 pounds
Age: 25 in July 2009
Contract status: 1 year remaining (UFA after 2009); owed $530K in base salary.
- Youboty beat out veteran Will James for the nickel corner role last year in training camp, and during the early stretches of the season, Youboty was Buffalo's best defensive back. Then his achilles heel kicked in again when he went down with a season-ending injury - again. Youboty's injury issues make him unreliable, but when he's been on the field, he's been very good. He'll compete for the nickel job again next year, and if he can stay healthy and produce in 2009, he might earn himself a contract extension here in Buffalo. People are quick to forget that though he'll be entering his fourth year in the league, Youboty will be just 25 years old next year, making him the second-youngest corner on the roster behind McKelvin.
#27 Reggie Corner
5'9", 175 pounds
Age: 26 in November 2009
Contract status: 3 years remaining (UFA after 20011); owed $1.41M in base salaries.
- Corner was one of a few "who?" draft picks for the Bills in '08, but his rookie season was solid enough that few Bills fans continue to hate the pick. Best known for his pass break-up to seal a late-season win in Denver, Corner made plenty of mistakes in '08 as he was thrust into sub-package duty due to injuries to Youboty and Greer. Still, he also had some good performances, including an outstanding effort against Denver's Brandon Stokley. He'll never be anything more than a sub-package corner and special teams contributor in all likelihood, but he can be very good in that role as soon as 2009.
#35 Dustin Fox
5'11", 200 pounds
Age: 27 in October 2009
Contract status: Restricted Free Agent.
- It's hard to fathom how this guy is still around. His practice squad eligibility is up, and he can no longer claim untapped potential as a reason to be even on the back end of an NFL roster. He probably won't be a Bill in 2009.
The Breakdown
Keepers: McGee, McKelvin, Corner, Youboty. McGee is staying for '09, but if the Bills don't see him as a big part of their plans beyond next season, then re-signing Greer should be a priority. The three young guys stick around for obvious reasons.
Extendables: None, though I'm guessing there are a few who might want to see Greer's name in this category.
Expendables: Greer. I'm putting Greer here simply based on the fact that he's not likely to return. The Bills have four solid corners already, and signing a fifth for semi-big money that might result in a starter isn't wise spending in my book. I'd rather see Greer walk than sign him and potentially miss out on adding impact at other positions.
Goners: Fox. Unless he pulls a Jason Jefferson and survives another roster overhaul.
What we need: Assuming that Greer is heading out of town for good, Buffalo might look to the late rounds to find a developmental prospect or two as fifth and sixth corners. But with McGee, McKelvin, Youboty and Corner in place, the Bills have a good nucleus. Nothing major needs to happen here. Take note of that, One Bills Drive. We want to see some physicality brought in this off-season. We don't need any more big-name corners.
That's it. I'm done with the easy stuff. Now it's on you, folks. Do you disagree with me and think Greer should be re-signed? Vote in the poll! What do you make of McGee's future past 2009? Can Youboty make it through an entire season without another career setback? Have fun with this, and let's get brainstorming.
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Don't Let Greer Go!
McKelvin and Greer should be the starters next year. I love McGee but he’s going to be thirty and a free agent next year so just trade him now for some draft value. People keep saying he won’t bring in anything significant and I continue to disagree. At worst he brings us a third at best we can package him with a pick/picks to move up in the 1st or 2nd. This is such a deep draft McGee would be worth trading in a package to get another high second rounder if we couldn’t get a low first.
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by poz on Jan 14, 2009 1:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I fully agree with you
I think Youboty is ready to step up, he was really impressive last year. I would like to re-sign Greer but Brian’s point is valid, it might be expensive and we have other more important needs. I would be quite comfortable with McKelvin/Youboty/Corner and maybe pickup a cheaper free agent like Ricky Manning Jr or Chris Carr for depth.
We should definitely look at trading McGee while he still has value (Starting Corner + great return man), definitely could be useful in grabbing more picks or moving back up into the first. A good trade partner would be Detroit, they have some extra picks and could use a good Corner/ReturnMan. Their #20 pick for our #42 + McGee
This would mean that we could get a stud DE like Orakpo then get Alex Mack with #20 and still get a good pass-catching TE like Coffman or Beckum at #75
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by keysh67 on Jan 14, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yup – trade McGee – extend Greer and start Greer/McKelvin with Youboty on the inside.
unfortunately i think we all know how this will pan out because of our stellar front office
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by J2 on Jan 14, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t necessarily think that’s the best plan of attack. Trading McGee and re-signing Greer is easy to say, but it’s an expensive option. I know Greer is popular – and as I said, I like him – but I don’t think there’s much of a difference between he and McGee, to be honest.
I’m not averse to the idea of trading McGee, but if that’s their plan, they’d better be getting Greer back relatively cheap. We need to save bucks, and we can’t give Greer a Chris Kelsay-like deal to keep him here, especially with McGee under contract and McKelvin/Youboty/Corner ready to step up.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 14, 2009 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know its probably not the best plan of attack – but i think we can dump McGee’s salary and get a 3rd instead of possibly getting nothing like we did with Losman. It is possible we resign McGee next year, but i bet the cost between Greer and McGee would be ball parkish.
At the same time just gauge what Greer wants and see if this plan would work for them. Greer is younger, and although not as good against the run, and has probaby his best years ahead of him.
I guess I would always just rather see a good player that is unrestricted after this year get traded for something instead of paying out the butt for a 30 year old CB or losing him for nothing in free agency.
FYI – free agency does start on February 27th at 12:01am.
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by J2 on Jan 14, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am with you guys
If it is between McGee and Greer, please keep Greer. Is there any way we keep both? Brian seems to be betting on Youboty to stay health and Corner to step up his game. Might happen….might not. If it all works out, then let McGee go next year.
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by Joe P. on Jan 14, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We got nothing for Losman because he sucks not because they didn’t try to trade him. No one wanted to trade for him!
by syrbillsfan on Jan 15, 2009 10:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree with Poz
I think this would be ideal. Keep Jabari and trade Terrence. Also i’m not sure that Reggie corner is always gonna be a sub package/depth guy. Look what a few years did for Greer, same thing could happen with Corner. Thye are very similar players. The guy seems to have a good work ethic and a good head on his shoulders…. Here’s to hoping!
by LuBAR on Jan 14, 2009 1:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think that’s probably the best-case scenario from our viewpoint, but I doubt it is from the coaching staff’s. They like McGee. Maybe they look into trading him, maybe not, but he’s not a bad player, and I think it’s more likely that he gets a contract extension than a new team.
That’s what I’m basing my “let Greer walk” opinion on.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 14, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
my first thought this offseason was draft jenkins from tOSU......if Jabari leaves...
however i quickly wised up and realised that probably wasnt a good move…but i agree resign greer if poss…….or gotta find a cheap vet or draft one if jabari goes bye bye
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 14, 2009 1:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Haha, if you had suggested drafting Jenkins even once here, you would have been crucified. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 14, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thats why I always pause for a min before I post.......
some people are vicious……..lol
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 14, 2009 2:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would have flown to cali, and slapped you in the face!
Haha, just kidding. I’d have taken the train to experience the beauty of the US
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by Kurupt on Jan 15, 2009 1:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would have driven.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Jan 15, 2009 9:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jabari
will be too expensive to sign. once he hits the open market he will be overpaid. He has had injury issues as well.
McGee, while older, is decent and could be resigned for a modest sum after next year. if necessity dictates we can address the CB position in the 2010 draft.
by gatornation on Jan 14, 2009 2:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if McGee's "modest sum" will be more or less than Greer's
But I bet what you call a “modest sum” would probably be higher than Greer’s demands.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 14, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
we will see if
the FO can utilize this good crop of CB’s wisely. I think letting Greer go is a huge mistake. He’s not Clements or Winfield so his number won’t be huge. We took him in, molded him, coached him, developed him. No reason to let a guy like that go. Youboty is in his last year….let’s see if he can stay healthy. Imagine if Greer leaves, youboty gets hurt again last year, then McGee is turning 30 and needs one last big deal. I don’t like that scenario. Why not resign Greer, and have McGee, McKelvin, Youboty, Corner all available for 2009 and prolong the decision? I just hate to see us let good, home-coached/developed talent leave.
This FO was shrewd in trading McGahee and Spikes and trading to get Stroud, and I have a gut feeling 2008 will also see another shrewd trade. Whether that’s Peters, a CB or trading for someone else, I feel the phone lines will be busy March-April at OBD
MARVelous
by MARVelous on Jan 14, 2009 2:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think letting Greer go is a huge mistake. He’s not Clements or Winfield so his number won’t be huge. We took him in, molded him, coached him, developed him. No reason to let a guy like that go.
So true Marv. He won’t demand superstar money but he may be more effective in Buffalo then a player who does because he knows the coaches, the city, the scheme, etc. Hes a keeper
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by poz on Jan 14, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ummm, he will be one of the best CBs in this years FA class
Therefore while he won’t get Clements money, look for him to get something like Webster of the Giants did, and with all the other holes we need bodies for in FA, don’t be surprised if we don’t resign him.
Now if only this gopher could play DE, we would be doing better, I mean, who couldn't play better than the corpse brothers Kelsay and Denney?
by WABillsfan on Jan 14, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I won't be surprised
I’m saying I wouldn’t like it. Also, he’s not going to command as much as you think. Dunta Robinson will get more, Nnamdi Asamoghua will get more (I think the Raiders have already franchised him twice), and then there is him and Bryant McFadden at about the same level. I think Chris Gamble already signed an extension with the Panthers. I also don’t think he’ll get more than 6 mil a year
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by poz on Jan 14, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Webster
had a 3 year track record recording 91 solo tackles, 4 FF, 20 passes defensed and 2 picks entering 2008
Greer has 99 career solo tackles, 1 FF, 4 INTs, and 27 passes defensed in 5 seasons.
Webster signed a 5 year deal for $43.5 mill. With $20 mill guaranteed. It breaks down to a $5 million signing bonus, with $8 million and $4 million coming as roster bonuses in 2009 and 2010. In 2011 he has a guaranteed $7.5 mill number however after 2011, no more guaranteed money is coming so its essentially a 4 year deal. he gets $5 + 8 + 4 + 7.5 = $24.5 mill for 4 years. So it really breaks down to $6 mill a year.
That’s what the Front office has to deal with from Greer’s agent
MARVelous
by MARVelous on Jan 14, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Greer might make the Bills decision for them. If even one team believes he’s a “shut down” corner, they will cough up disgusting amounts of cash for him. Look at all the FA corner deals from the past few years.. Teams always overpay for corners. The way our system works, we really don’t need spectacular corners anyway although it would be nice to have some.
by syrbillsfan on Jan 15, 2009 10:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You can't have too many good DBs
we have proved that the last two years…
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 14, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
CB is our strength
lets not turn it into a weakness by letting a great cover guy like Greer walk out the door
MARVelous
by MARVelous on Jan 14, 2009 2:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The question you need to ask yourself is this: is re-signing Greer a priority if it means leaving one of our major needs untouched? Because that’s what it likely comes down to…
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 14, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if we trade McGee
we can get a draft pick, packaged with other pick/picks, that is high enough to draft a need. We can draft fullback, center, DE, and TE if we package McGee and a 3rd for a second
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by poz on Jan 14, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You make trading McGee sound as easy as trading Brett Favre…
Again, I’m just saying it’s unlikely. Can you honestly see Jauron and the “inner circle” putting the OK to a McGee deal? I can’t.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 14, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point. And even Farve resulted in a 3rd rounder with a 7th rounder returned to the Jets ?
by labill on Jan 14, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, his rating is totally like an 89 or something.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 14, 2009 5:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
my point
is the crem de la crem is the New England Patriots in our division. They like to run a spread offense, requiring teams to have solid cover guys and of course that thing called a pass rush. We have had McGee for a steal of a deal when he was resigned. Jauron obviously loves DB’s being he was one himself. We need a healthy stock of DB’s and signing Jabari to a mid-tier deal seems reasonable to me. I won’t be distraught if he is let to walk, but he is a great team guy, a playmaker and we molded him, why not pay the man and keep him here. If we brought back our current DB’s, and add pass rush help via the draft/FA and have a healthy Schobel, I think our defense is much better next year. However, you let Jabari walk, McGee or Youboty get hurt, and all of a sudden, that secondary looks mighty thin
MARVelous
by MARVelous on Jan 14, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
With all of the personnel changes at NE as far as coaching and front office, who here is hoping they finally found a few lemons in the endless bag of talent?
by syrbillsfan on Jan 15, 2009 10:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly my line of thinking Marv. We know what we have in Greer, and he’s in the mold of a Peters guy – he’s been developed and molded into who they wanted at that position. We let Greer walk then we have to sign someone else. I don’t like it. If Kelsay hangs on, then Greer has to be retained.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 15, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I love that pic up top of Leo.....
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 14, 2009 2:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Don't write off Corner as a sub package guy
That’s all Greer was until injuries forced him into the starting lineup. Corner could (could, not definitely will) take a similar path.
As for Fox, well, he’s an Ohio State guy, which is generally good enough (Winfield, Clements, Whitner, Youboty, Fox) for OBD. I am REALLY hoping that Jenkins isn’t on the board at #11. OBD might not be able to resist taking yet another Ohio State DB….
by Ron From NM on Jan 14, 2009 3:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
make the bleeding stop
there are some guys you let leave cuz financially it doesn’t make sense. ie clements. However, then there are guys where it makes sense, ie extending the kyle williams, brad butlers, and terrence mcgee’s of the world. Where Greer will fall I don’t know. However, how much leverage does the guy really have? He has 4 career INT’s, he is 26, didn’t see significant time until 2007. I mean I don’t see him having the leverage to go out and get a huge deal.
My point is if you can keep him for a reasonable price tag…..then do it. You groomed him to where he is, he should be indebted to Buffalo first. Hopefully if the Bills offer him a fair deal he will take it. I want more veterans on this team then to keep restocking youth. We finally have a crop of good DB’s. Why the hell let one of em walk when McGee and Youboty have proven to be injured often?
MARVelous
by MARVelous on Jan 14, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He will have leverage
He is young compared to many of the guys coming out into FA, he has been relatively healthy, people remember the job he did on TO 2 seasons ago in the NFL, and he doesn’t have a ton of wear and tear due to him riding the pine till 2007.
Those are all tempting things for teams like Dallas who need up and coming guys to plug some holes they can’t afford to spend picks on. Greer I think will get alot more money offered to him than any of us expect. Its the case of we see him one way, others see him another, and I think like Nate (how did he help the 49ers so far?) that the perception of him in the NFL is higher than we think. And as for us trading McGee, once again I think we see him worth more than the NFL does.
IF, IF we could resign Greer on the cheap, do it, but we won’t be able to, and with the holes at C, WR, OLB/MLB (depending what they do with Poz,), DE, and FB, I just don’t see OBD ponying up a ton of cash for Greer.
Now if only this gopher could play DE, we would be doing better, I mean, who couldn't play better than the corpse brothers Kelsay and Denney?
by WABillsfan on Jan 14, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Greer Contract Value
I was (perhaps I shouldn’t have been) quite pleased that Greer never came back from his injury. It has to have devalued his potential contract. He just doesn’t have the multi-year track record to warrant a top-tier contract, especially from other teams that don’t know him very well. I would think that the lengthy injury and short term starting performance (plus his handicap that prevented him from being drafted at all — being very small). I am all for signing Greer if we can get him for a mid-tier contract (even a 1 or 2 year “show me” contract) because other teams haven’t seen enough of him to sign a break-the-bank contract.
by labill on Jan 14, 2009 3:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I voted no on the poll
‘Every effort’ will entail Buffalo passing on free agency altogether. While it would be nice to keep Greer, with McGee and McKelvin ahead of him (and Youboty and Corner behind him) he’s a luxury at this point. I’d much rather see FA money lavished on a pass rushing DE to take the pressure off the 4 DBs Buffalo will have when Greer is overpaid by another franchise.
by Ron From NM on Jan 14, 2009 3:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I just don’t know that Greer would be overpaid by another team. I think he could be under-offered — if so, should the Bills sign him. That would be the question.
by labill on Jan 14, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't take every effort to mean break the bank
How about reasonable effort? Is he worth 6mil a year?
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by Joe P. on Jan 14, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i don't
have exact numbers, but if the guy were to get $4-8 mill guaranteed I think that would be more than enough. Work out to be in the $3-5 mill per year range.
MARVelous
by MARVelous on Jan 14, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He won't go for that, Webster of the Giants is the comparable contract for a guy like Greer
Webster got per Rotoworld.com:
Signed a five-year, $43.5 million contract extension through 2013. The deal contains $20 million guaranteed, including a $5 million signing bonus. Annual $250,000 workout bonuses are available in years 2010-2013. 2008: $520,000, 2009: $1 million (+ guaranteed $8 million roster bonus), 2010: $2.75 million (+ guaranteed $4 million roster bonus), 2011: $7.25 million, 2012: $7 million, 2013: $7.5 million, 2014: Free Agent.
They are very similar players, and he is only one year younger than Greer.
Now if only this gopher could play DE, we would be doing better, I mean, who couldn't play better than the corpse brothers Kelsay and Denney?
by WABillsfan on Jan 14, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Uncapped 2010
I’m not sure I’d trade McGee- but I’d make every effort to re-sign Greer. Younger, bigger, arguably as effective. If the coaching staff likes McGee more, that’s fine- he IS a pretty solid CB. This is the same coaching staff that preferred Jason Webster to Greer too, so I don’t know how much stock we can put into their feelings.
With 2010 likely being uncapped, there’s not a prayer they can keep McGee around past next year. He won’t sign an extension with Buffalo when he can go out and get a ridiculously front-loaded deal elsewhere. They could franchise him, but the tag would be way too high.
At some point, the continuing cycle of letting our good players go and having to waste draft picks to replace them has to stop. If Greer walks, then in 2010 you’re looking at McKelvin and God knows who as your top 2 corners. Youboty can’t stay healthy, Corner hasn’t proven much…we have a guy we know can play, we know McGee can’t be kept around past this year…why not keep Greer and keep one position as a relative strength?
by Make a play Whitner on Jan 14, 2009 4:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
How's this for a wrinkle
Trade McGee to ATL for QB Chris Redman. Salaries are $3mm and $2.5mm for 2009 respectively and deals expire at end of 2009. Could likely get 2nd day draft pick thrown in too. ATL needs help at CB and we need a vet who could play and produce at QB.
I would then prioritize getting Greer signed at CB so we have him and McKelvin as starters with Youboty at nickel and Corner in the dime.
This way we actually get something of value for Mcgee versus letting him go at season’s end for nothing.
by freddyjj on Jan 14, 2009 5:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
You're going to trade McGee...
for a journeyman QB that hasn’t taken a snap since 2007 and has only played in 17 games since 2000? When you could easily sign anyone else to play that role?
by twoeightnine on Jan 14, 2009 5:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yes because he played well in 2007
and with edwards we know that our backup might have to win a couple games
by freddyjj on Jan 14, 2009 6:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Played well?
He was 1-4, with his only win coming against a Seattle team that sat most of their starters early. And in week 15, he put up a zero QB rating; the only quarterback to do so in the last two years…
by Krenn on Jan 14, 2009 7:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey now, don't overlook week 10!
He completed 100% of his passes!
by twoeightnine on Jan 14, 2009 7:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty Funny
Krenn and 289 – remember what he had as his surrounding cast in late 2007, post Petrino leaving.
Redman would be the type of Vet who can actually play in an offense designed around Trent Edwards and distribute the ball to receivers at 3 levels.
Just curious what your backup QB idea is for 2009.
by freddyjj on Jan 15, 2009 7:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
JP played well in 2006
let’s bring him back.
by twoeightnine on Jan 14, 2009 7:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Them's fightin' words
Of course, even if Buffalo wanted him to stay I think they’d have to get a court order to keep Losman from leaving…..
by Ron From NM on Jan 14, 2009 7:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
just a thought
i love the position we are at cornerback we are young and athletic and i believe we are physical if the coaches allows them to play that way. i personally love mcgee and mckelvin and youboty at nickle as much as i like greer i do not mind seeing him go. with that said i am not overly excited about our safties. i like donte but i would love us to draft a saftey like the kid from AZ or troy p. we need a saftey net for our cb and i dont believe that donte and b.scott are the best for the job. we need someone who will have recievers scared to go deep or run inside and who can check TE and put the hurting on RB. i say grab a top notch safety as soon as he becomes avaliable so our CB can really show their talent. GO BILLS
by jukes on Jan 14, 2009 5:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
in my ideal (madden) world, bills should keep Greer and trade McGee.
In Real world I don’t see this happening. They would pay for Greer, but they couldn’t find a good trade for McGee and we all know the FO don’t like to spend much money with CB. That’s the reason I think Greer should leave, what is sad because he is a good guy.
I Really hope, with Greer leaving, the FO don’t use a first day draft pick to bring another CB !
by hightower_mc on Jan 14, 2009 8:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
They did that last year...
I don’t anticipate that happening this year. Although an Ohio State DB will be there…..
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 14, 2009 9:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A smart organization...
Would have extended him prior to the 2008 season. I’m pretty sure I even suggested as much. I know hindsight is 20/20, but imagine how smart they would have looked if they had Greer locked at something relatively low, say 3 years, 5.5 million. I bet he would jumped all over something like that back in August.
by krytime on Jan 14, 2009 9:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone really expect Greer to get a monster contract somewhere? He’s a 5’10", 175 lb guy who hasn’t even started for a full season! He was pretty poor as a starter during 2007, getting outmuscled and having his size used against him, along with being rather weak against the run. This year, he made some excellent plays, taking some INT’s back for TD"s, but again showed he’s more of a liability against the run. Does anyone really see him as an elite cover guy? I see him as a pretty good cover guy, one who shouldn’t be paid more than $4-5M a year. I think we’ll have a good chance to sign him unless some really desperate team (cough Dallas cough) comes up with some ridiculous offer….
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by Kurupt on Jan 15, 2009 1:57 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Here is the issue K
There are not a whole lot of even decent corners coming out this FA. The number of teams desperately looking for 1-2 CBs to shore up their pass D will also be high. Depending on how things play out with guys like Nandi A out in Oakland and a couple of others, Greer’s contract numbers may infact be higher than expected due simply to supply and demand.
Now if only this gopher could play DE, we would be doing better, I mean, who couldn't play better than the corpse brothers Kelsay and Denney?
by WABillsfan on Jan 15, 2009 4:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A lot of teams don’t expose their cornerbacks in the running game. Jabari has the “cover corner” label floating around in the media and that translates into overpayment. When it comes to FA cornerbacks, its all about int’s and “coverage” abilities. He will be overpaid. It is only a question of who does the paying. Is Greer worth more than Kelsay numbers to the Bills? Probably not, but that is what he will get. With the corners on the roster, even with a trade of McGee, we will be fine. The only attention the position needs is a couple cheap older FA / undrafted FA / late round pick additions and we will be all set. I’m all for picking up a couple Division I-AA / II / III corner projects that had high athleticism and interception numbers or size or both.
On a side note, Syracuse U has a freshman safety, Max Suter, that we should keep our eye on. He looked tremendous especially on the safety blitz this year.
by syrbillsfan on Jan 15, 2009 10:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry – Max Suter was a Sophomore this year.
by syrbillsfan on Jan 15, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He will probably get the Webster deal or close to it.
Webster signed a 5 year deal for $43.5 mill. With $20 mill guaranteed. It breaks down to a $5 million signing bonus, with $8 million and $4 million coming as roster bonuses in 2009 and 2010. In 2011 he has a guaranteed $7.5 mill number however after 2011, no more guaranteed money is coming so its essentially a 4 year deal. he gets $5 + 8 + 4 + 7.5 = $24.5 mill for 4 years. So it really breaks down to $6 mill a year.
From Marv’s earlier post.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 15, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m laughing if someone gives Greer that kind of deal. A guy who’s been a starter for a year with some physical deficiencies should get nowhere near that kind of money….
~K
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by Kurupt on Jan 15, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Moral of the story:
Encourage your child to play CB.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 15, 2009 1:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Or if they are 6+ plus while in Jr. High make them play Center in Basketball
Either way they get a ton of cash for themselves, and you if your unscrupulous
Now if only this gopher could play DE, we would be doing better, I mean, who couldn't play better than the corpse brothers Kelsay and Denney?
by WABillsfan on Jan 15, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Acutally, if more of these kids coming into the NFL had parents to help them understand how to save money, they’d be better off. It seems many are lacking the parental figures or at least come from backgrounds where having nothing teaches you to spend like you never were or will be without it.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 15, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Even better than saving money
teach them not to rack up debt and pay creditors for the right to use their money.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 15, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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