Identifying the Buffalo Bills' core 2009 roster
Over the past three weeks, we here at Buffalo Rumblings have diligently dissected the mediocre, highly suspect cast of characters that is the Buffalo Bills' roster in our ever-expanding attempt for inclusion in Ralph Wilson's vaunted "inner circle" of decision-makers at One Bills Drive. With those reviews complete - and reviewable here - we can now begin putting together a summary of the fruits of our labor. And the fruits, folks, are juicy and plentiful.
Our main goal in this endeavor - besides, obviously, being members of the "inner circle" - is to put together one massive "Community Needs List", in which every single need the Bills carry into the off-season personnel wise is prioritized from most to least critical. In this way, we'll be able to see exactly how good or bad the Bills do in upgrading the roster over the next few months. That list is largely shaped up, but we'll wait another day or two to finalize it. First, we're going to divide all 70 players currently on the roster in some capacity into four groups. Fun!
Below are the breakdowns. Players are split into five groups, explained in each section - Extendables, Expendables, Questionables, Apathetics and Keepers. From those breakdowns, we can put together our ideal "core roster" - that is, the core group of players that are most likely to be on the roster in 2009 (there are 41 of them). This core group, ideally, will be supplemented by 12 (or more) of the needs we'll define on the Community Needs List tomorrow. See how this works? We're on the cusp of putting together the Bills' ideal - and sufficiently realistic - 2009 roster! You're welcome, members of the "inner circle". Onto the breakdowns...
EXTENDABLES (9): Players that the community has deemed worthy of contract extensions, for a variety of reasons ranging from ease of retention to "holy crap, this guy is really good".
QB Gibran Hamdan (RFA), RB Fred Jackson (ERFA), OT Jason Peters (potential holdout), OT Kirk Chambers (UFA), C/G Duke Preston (UFA), MLB John DiGiorgio (RFA), OLB Keith Ellison (RFA), CB Jabari Greer (UFA), FS George Wilson (RFA)
EXPENDABLES (10): Players that the community has deemed expendable, whether on the merits of terrible play or contract status. In short, if this community is running things, these guys don't stand a chance of coming back.
QB J.P. Losman (UFA), FB Corey McIntyre (UFA), TE Robert Royal (cut), OG Jason Whittle (UFA), C Melvin Fowler (UFA), DE Chris Kelsay (cut), DE Copeland Bryan (ERFA), DT John McCargo (cut/trade), LB Blake Costanzo (RFA), FS Ko Simpson (cut)
QUESTIONABLES (1): Players that the community wouldn't mind seeing brought back, but the coaching staff probably has a different take. The community was quite literally split on this one. This is where our attempt at realism truly lies.
OLB Angelo Crowell (UFA)
APATHETICS (18): Players that the community, by and large, doesn't give a rip about, because they're bubble players and/or spot contributors at best.
QB Matt Baker, RB Xavier Omon, RB Bruce Hall, WR Justin Jenkins, WR Felton Huggins, WR C.J. Hawthorne, WR Mike Jefferson, TE Jonathan Stupar, OT Jonathan Scott, OT Chris Denman, OG Brandon Rodd, DT Corey Mace, DT Marcus Smith, LB Teddy Lehman, LB Jon Corto, LB Marcus Buggs, LB Vince Hall, CB Dustin Fox
KEEPERS (32): Players that the community believes will stay in Buffalo, whether it be on their own merit, on the merits of common knowledge, or on the merits of exorbitant contracts.
QB Trent Edwards, RB Marshawn Lynch, WR Lee Evans, WR Josh Reed, WR Roscoe Parrish, WR Steve Johnson, WR James Hardy, TE Derek Fine, TE Derek Schouman, OT Langston Walker, OT Demetrius Bell, OG Derrick Dockery, OG Brad Butler, DE Aaron Schobel, DE Ryan Denney, DE Chris Ellis, DT Marcus Stroud, DT Kyle Williams, DT Spencer Johnson, MLB Paul Posluszny, OLB Kawika Mitchell, OLB Alvin Bowen, CB Terrence McGee, CB Leodis McKelvin, CB Reggie Corner, CB Ashton Youboty, DB Donte Whitner, SS Bryan Scott, SS John Wendling, K Rian Lindell, P Brian Moorman, LS Ryan Neill
Put the Extendables and the Keepers together, and voila - we come away with Buffalo's core roster heading into 2009. As previously noted, there are 41 such players, broken down by position as follows...
QB: Trent Edwards, Gibran Hamdan
RB: Marshawn Lynch, Fred Jackson
FB:
WR: Lee Evans, Josh Reed, Roscoe Parrish, Steve Johnson, James Hardy
TE: Derek Fine, Derek Schouman
OT: Jason Peters, Langston Walker, Kirk Chambers, Demetrius Bell
OG: Derrick Dockery, Brad Butler, Duke Preston
C:
* OT Jason Peters has been mentioned as potential trade bait
DE: Aaron Schobel, Ryan Denney, Chris Ellis
DT: Marcus Stroud, Kyle Williams, Spencer Johnson
MLB: Paul Posluszny, John DiGiorgio
OLB: Kawika Mitchell, Keith Ellison, Alvin Bowen
CB: Terrence McGee, Leodis McKelvin, Jabari Greer, Ashton Youboty, Reggie Corner
FS: Donte Whitner, George Wilson
SS: Bryan Scott, John Wendling
* CB Terrence McGee has been mentioned as potential trade bait
Specialists: K Rian Lindell, P Brian Moorman, LS Ryan Neill
So there you have it. Buffalo's core roster for the 2009 season. Clearly, there are holes in that chart - and that's where our Community Needs List comes in. More on that tomorrow, but for now, feel free to discuss this core roster and whether or not you think it can gel into a winning team next year.
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The players in my opinion arent the problem with this team.....(contrary to what Ralph Wilson thinks)
While I do contend we could be better at certain places (WR/TE/DE and possibly S) the main problem is the game-planning and execution of said game plan…….you could swap this team for any successful team in the NFL……yet you would still get about the same results because of the inept coaching staff……
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 20, 2009 1:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Sure, but that’s not the point of these discussions, is it? :)
We’re playing GM here, or, if you rather, “inner circle”. I’m 99% sure that the community has already made its opinions known about the coaching staff, so if we were the “inner circle”, we know we’d have a new head coach. This part is the actual roster building.
This is what it’s come to as a Bills fan. We’re playing fantasy football with our own team.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 20, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
okay lol fine....to answer your question on the last part of the post.......
I say the team will NOT be winning team next year based on the players we have now…..(but only because the coaches suck) ……….ugh…..cant get away from that no matter how hard I try
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 20, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think what Brian prefers is that we build the ideal roster for the new coach in 2010. Oh wait, that’s what I prefer.
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by Kurupt on Jan 20, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL. The only thing I prefer is building the ideal roster for ANYONE.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 20, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Positions I feel that are all set going into the 2009 season:
OT, QB, RB, CB
Maybe all set:
G, S
Need work:
WR, TE, C, DT, DE, LB, FB
lots and lots of holes to fill OBD
no playoffs in 2009 and no winning team next year. record wise based off of this I am predicting the worst season DJ puts up record wise – we regress as a team
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by J2 on Jan 20, 2009 1:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
My gosh. Optimism at its finest.
What up with everyone today? Y’all aren’t your cheery selves, it seems…
Anyways, J2, you really think QB is “all set”? We’ve got exactly one QB under contract…
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 20, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
na just from a starters perspective.
i thought you’d jump on me about the OT being all set. but i think that they’ll sign Peters
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by J2 on Jan 20, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, I agree with you… OT is good – great, in fact – as long as Peters is re-signed.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 20, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
(OT) me too
i’ll put BQB as my “needs work” next time and your right it should be there
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by J2 on Jan 20, 2009 1:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m being optimistic. I believe we’ll get some good players for our new coach in 2010!
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by Kurupt on Jan 20, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That actually is pretty bright and shiny for you, K… :)
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 20, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i know of all day to be optimistic........(new pres and all)
too bad the only new thing coming the Bills way is a new DL coach…….w000
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 20, 2009 1:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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I think my head will explode if they trade Jason Peters for anything less than two first round picks and a starting left tackle.
I also think that trading McGee for anything less than a first and a second is a bad move because you are creating a hole. McKelvin and Youbouty with Corner as your CBs is not good. McKelvin and Greer with Youboty and Corner is still not that great but at least acceptable. You can’t let McGee and Greer go in the same offseason.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 20, 2009 2:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think the idea was solely to trade McGee as a means to re-signing Greer. Letting both go was never a part of the discussion.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 20, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OK...
in that case I would see Greer and McKelvin starting with Youboty in the slot and Corner backing them up. That works in theory but with the history of Greer and Youboty it seems like for at least half the year we’d be with only three guys. The last two years have been injury-filled in the secondary. I believe McGee is healthier of the guys and so keeping him and McKelvin as starters with Y at slot and Corner in reserve plus adding another CB in draft or Free Agency is crucial.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 20, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i think trading McGee for picks and getting d-linemen is more crucial than our CB position. I think we have good depth as it is and losing McGee isn’t that big a deal. plus the pass rush that could come from those picks are more important and could supplant any issues that may arise from letting McGee go.
as long as Greer stays
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by J2 on Jan 20, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m with you. The only corners we can say stay healthy are McKelvin and Corner, and they’ve only played one year each. McGee, Greer and Youboty have all dealt with injuries. My stance on this has changed – I honestly think the Bills should be talking to Greer RIGHT NOW just to preserve their solid depth at the position.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 20, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 20, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
would you entertain the idea of trading McGee to get picks that would result in more d-linemen?
that is basically what I am saying if i were running the show – i’d trade McGee use the first pick on a d-lineman then get a CB either FA or later rounds. yes/no?
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by J2 on Jan 20, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There’s a lot of “ifs” in that idea. I would be fine exploring trade opportunities with McGee, but only if Greer is re-signed, and only if it’s an absurdly beneficial deal. I think trading a guy just to get a chance to draft a defensive linemen is trumped in a big way (like right bower to nine) by not creating another hole on a swiss cheese team.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 20, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i guess we just view McGee in a different way.
I see him in his declining years and want to get something out of him instead of paying next year for a 30 yr old CB. he’s unrestrictred correct?
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by J2 on Jan 20, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well why would we pay him then???
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by Kurupt on Jan 20, 2009 2:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i’m going off of the current front office’s history – see Kelsay, Dockery – over paying for players.
do you trust them not to re-sign McGee to a large contract if the front office is still in place?
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by J2 on Jan 20, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They don't resign CBs....
look at Clements, Nate and Winfield, Antoine. It’s why I’m not hopeful about Greer.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 20, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
DB's for a cover 2 scheme are a dime a dozen IMO
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 20, 2009 5:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree – which is why i would want to trade McGee for picks and get some linemen. we have very good depth at CB
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by J2 on Jan 21, 2009 9:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i thought the same thing – but i still have zero faith in the front office regarding anything. so thats why i made that arguement. until they prove to me they are saavy and show they know what they are doing i will always have doubts on their operations.
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by J2 on Jan 21, 2009 9:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The problem I have with that
is McGee isn’t going to fetch anything higher than a 4th rounder.
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by Kurupt on Jan 20, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i was thinking 3rd for him
i should have put in there that i’m worried about him being unrestricted next year and we could lose him and get nothing or pay a huge amount for an older CB next year
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by J2 on Jan 20, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Who cares if we let him walk as a UFA after the season? The dude was a fourth-round pick, and we will have gotten seven years out of him at that point. Really not that big of a loss, nor is it uncommon in any sense of the term.
I don’t think moving a veteran for a mid-round pick just because he’s on the verge of an expiring contract is smart business. Otherwise, Ray Lewis wouldn’t have been in Baltimore this year. You gave the player the contract, and unless there’s extenuating circumstances (i.e. he holds out, is a pain in the arse or he over or under-performs the deal), you get rid of him. Nothing else makes sense.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 20, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i guess difference of opinions:
i say instead of paying him or losing him – get something for him this year
your point about him being a 4th rounder doesn’t hold water though – if he’s a good player he can still net a higher draft pick in compensation. i know this isn’t a great example – but look at Tom Brady – do you think they’re saying we got X amoutn of good years out of him who cares if he walks because he was a 6th round draft pick – i don’t buy that arguement.
i guess we just would run the show different
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by J2 on Jan 20, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but by the same logic, you’d be looking to trade Trent Edwards (2 years left on deal), Fred Jackson (ERFA), Josh Reed (1YL), Marcus Stroud (2YL), Ashton Youboty (1YL) and Donte Whitner (2YL), too. I just don’t get how that works. You can’t trade all of your guys that are close to wrapping up their deals, and outside of Jackson and Stroud, I think McGee is more valuable RIGHT NOW than everybody on that list.
My only point in mentioning him as a 4th rounder was that it’s not uncommon to get 7 years, most of them productive at a starter’s level, out of that pick and let them walk. If someone else wants to overpay for McGee, fine. But we have him for one more season, so why get younger when you can be better next year? You can still build for the long haul and the short haul at the same time…
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 20, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no no no – not my logic at all
my logic is we just got Leodis who is starter material – we have greer who is starter material – we have youboty – who is definately slot starting material and we have corner who is solid. the reason i made the suggestion for McGee is because we have solid depth behind him.
Jackson, Stroud, Whitner – they have almost nobody behind them so trading them is not an option
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by J2 on Jan 20, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gotcha.
I had that reasoning too, but I used it as a reason for letting Greer walk. Now I’ve retracted – our depth is outstanding at CB, and I’d rather not sacrifice it if I can help it.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 20, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
now we’re on the same page
lol – i’d still trade him if i could get a 3rd ;)
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by J2 on Jan 20, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's been my stance all along
but I don’t think Greer is worthy of a huge contract.
Depth is why I argued we should have kept Will James going into the season. These guys seem to get hurt more than we’d like, depth is important to our CB rotation….
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by Kurupt on Jan 20, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
McGee seems to get hurt a lot too….
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by Kurupt on Jan 20, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Now I really would hate losing McGee, because I enjoy his play, but imagine this: McGee for Jason Brown. Come on, we can dream!
Oh and isn’t that throwback uni he’s wearing so much better? Too bad the organization doesn’t see the light.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 20, 2009 2:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Oh and this should be alarming to most people
Larry Fitzgerald had the same number of TDs in one half that Lee Evans had all season. So yes, we’re far from set at WR, even with Lee.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 20, 2009 2:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Royal is gone but Preston isn't a goner?
I don’t understand why we jump to cut Robert Royal yet gladly resign Duke Preston. The advantages and disadvantages are there. They are lousy, unreliable depth players at best. We can certainly have do better with young developmental talent at those positions.
Seriously, What’s the reasoning here, guys?
by Dyl on Jan 20, 2009 2:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The reasoning is this: they play different positions and are surrounded by different positional situations. Royal is a veteran with two young guys behind him. They need an impact player at TE. He probably has to go to make that happen. Preston is a UFA (Royal is under contract), and the only reason we’re re-signing him is for depth purposes. He’s not a starter on this team in 2009. He’s a swing interior backup, and if we’re lucky, he’s got someone ahead of him in that department, too. We just figured it’d be better to re-sign him as depth than let him walk (which wouldn’t cause us to cry or anything) and have one more depth spot to fill.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 20, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d rather have Royal than Schouman, that’s for sure….
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by Kurupt on Jan 20, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You would?!
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 20, 2009 3:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Schouman is more useless than Royal. Plus, how many Derek’s can you have at the TE position? I just KNOW they’ll find a way to hang on to Royal.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 20, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How on earth is Schouman more useless than Royal? He’s younger, more athletic, has better hands, and is just as average a blocker. Plus, his contract is cheaper. I can’t fathom how Royal would trump Schouman in anybody’s book. You guys do realize that it was Schouman stealing first-team reps from Royal throughout spring practices and training camp, right?
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 20, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know that the ONLY TE i’ve seen be able to play vertically (please, I know he’s not accomplished and not successful) is Royal. the other guys seem to be pigeon-holed into screen-type plays, usually gaining 2 yards before they’re upended. It’s the classic TE play for the Bills. Again, I don’t think Royal’s good, and I don’t want him to stay for any reason, but I just see something happening where he’s not let go. Schouman does nothing to impress me over Royal either.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 20, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know that the ONLY TE i’ve seen be able to play vertically (please, I know he’s not accomplished and not successful) is Royal.
Agreed. But how is that beneficial when it’s 50/50 that he’ll actually catch the ball and not fumble?
I’m not saying that Schouman is better than Royal. I’m saying keeping Schouman as a reserve and finding a vertical threat at TE makes much more sense than maintaining the status quo at the position. Cut Royal, keep Schouman and find an athlete. That’s the plan. I’m reading it as you’d rather cut Schouman, find an athlete and go into 2009 with Athlete X, Royal and Fine. I wouldn’t hate that, I suppose, but trust me when I say Schouman has a better shot at being on next year’s roster than Royal does.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 20, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No no no. You’ve got it wrong. It’s 50/50 that he either doesn’t catch it or fumbles it shortly after. ;-) But, like K said, he’s rather adept at blocking, and that might be where he’s finally asked to contribute. Pettigrew would be awesome here, nearly as much as Gresham would.
You know what though, unless this offense decides to throw the ball downfield with any consistency, I guess it doesn’t matter that they don’t have true down-field threats. I bet the players are so surprised when they’re involved in a player over 15 yards that they get too excited, leading to dropitis.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 20, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Contract?
Who cares?!?!?! It’s not like we’re going to be that close to the salary cap where it will come into play!!!
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by Kurupt on Jan 20, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
I hope that was just you venting your frustration. If you’re serious then I have to wonder why you write so much.
If you really don’t understand it, here’s the basics. The Bills will only pay so much total money to all of their players. Whether that limit is league imposed (the salary cap) or not is irrelevant because there is some limit. So by paying one player less, you free up more money for the others.
by Hopefulcynic on Jan 21, 2009 12:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but the difference in contracts between Schouman and Royal will be less than a mil, so we aren’t talking about some huge total.
by kaisertown on Jan 21, 2009 2:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Royal can at least block.
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by Kurupt on Jan 20, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus, because Jauron and Fairchild were retained, why should we expect obvious player overhauls. right?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 20, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
AH........SINNER
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 20, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Royal isn’t going anywhere. I just know they’ll retain him because of his “experience.”
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 20, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have "experience" taking a crap too
Do I put that on my CV? No, and neither should Royal be part of ANY succesful team in the NFL, he is like the bubonic plauge, he just makes it worse for you…
Now if only this gopher could play DE, we would be doing better, I mean, who couldn't play better than the corpse brothers Kelsay and Denney?
by WABillsfan on Jan 20, 2009 7:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
All set:
OT, CB, RB, WR
Need depth, possible starter:
G, S, TE, DT, QB, LB
Complete and total overhaul:
C, DE
I like the WRs I think with a little luck Steve Johnson or maybe even Hardy could get the job done on the outside. That said ifa vet is brought in I wouldn’t complain. QB and G just need depth, but LB, S, and TE could use a guy who can be a dominant starter. I don’t want to bring in a guy who is marginally better then what we’ve got, I want him to be much better.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Jan 20, 2009 4:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think we get a vet WR this year on a 1 year deal
I don’t think Hardy will be able to help at all, he just had ACL surgery, and even the most optimistic people can’t see him really contributing till late this year, like Oct-Nov at best. He’ll probably get PUP’ed to start the year or maybe even an early IR to get him healthy for 2010.
Now if only this gopher could play DE, we would be doing better, I mean, who couldn't play better than the corpse brothers Kelsay and Denney?
by WABillsfan on Jan 20, 2009 7:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot about the injury.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Jan 20, 2009 7:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is Anquan Boldin worth it?
Well, is he? Is it even a remote possibility to snag him?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 20, 2009 4:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The guy who pouts off the field while his teammates, including the estranged Edgerrin James, celebrate an NFC Championship? I don’t know man, I’d think long and hard about signing a guy like that, no matter how good he is. Wide receivers are such babies.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 20, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
most professional ball players fall into this category
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 20, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Clearly, Edgerrin James doesn’t… that dude was essentially erased from the Cardinals’ game plans completely, but he only made a few public comments, merrily went about his business on the field, and he’d never storm off the field because he had a little row with his offensive coordinator.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 20, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He did the same kinda thing in Indy too......
which is part of the reason why he left…..he’s a “me” guy……
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 20, 2009 5:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no team is perfect and filled with 100% character guys ...
The Giants had Plexico, the Pats had Corey “whiney” Dillon and Rodney “HGH” Harrison … I could keep going … but my point is that in this era, you can’t expect EVERY player to be perfect guys and no offense, I’d rather win a super bowl with a couple of questionable guys with oodles of talent than draft every “high character high energy” player this franchise seems to covet and go 7-9 every year. Part of that goes into coaching and managing egos.
And hasn’t our possibly Hall-Of-Famer Andre Reed behaved in a similar manner? In Super Bowl 26 he got a 15 yard unsportsmanlike penalty for throwing his helmet on a drive before the end of the first half when we were going in for points. In the 1999 playoff game against Miami he did the same thing after a TD was taken away and forced us to kick a FG which ended up costing us the game, IIRC. Don’t forget all the other off-field complaints he had about not getting respect. Boldin has 1 blowup prior to the Super Bowl and he’s the devil and untouchable.
But hey, lets keep drafting the Kelsays, Denneys, and Wendlings of the world and have a zero arrest, zero complaint, and zero playoff team.
by sabre74kkn on Jan 20, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I knew someone would read my comment this way. I NEVER said “don’t sign Boldin, he’s a cancer, blah blah blah”. I simply said I’d think twice before handing the guy millions upon millions of dollars. You can’t deny that he’s acting like a baby. Obviously, he’d be a huge upgrade at WR for us.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 20, 2009 9:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And obviously the Bills don’t actually follow through with the way they talk about character. That is one thing that drove me crazy last offseason when everyone was saying, oh Buffalo would never draft this guy or never take somebody like that. They drafted Marshawn Lynch, didn’t they? James Hardy is hardly an upstanding citizen. Every team talks about characted like Buffalo does and they do it for the fans and for no other reason.
We shouldn’t bother talking about Boldin anyways. He is under contract, probably won’t be traded and I doubt Buffalo would trade the first round pick needed to get him AND sign him to the huge contract he wants.
by kaisertown on Jan 20, 2009 10:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, is he? Is it even a remote possibility to snag him?
Yes and NO.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Jan 20, 2009 4:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Not unless you like coughing up tons of picks
And we have WAY to many holes to do that, AGREED sireric, NO!
Now if only this gopher could play DE, we would be doing better, I mean, who couldn't play better than the corpse brothers Kelsay and Denney?
by WABillsfan on Jan 20, 2009 7:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, just wanted to put it out there for discussion. They HAVE to do something though. Hardy is now going to be a year behind, really 2, because this past season wasn’t much in terms of his development on the field. They can’t wait 2 more years for him to become serviceable. There has to be someone they can bring in, and do so without breaking the bank.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 21, 2009 9:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The way I see it
Changes not really needed-
OT, CB, RB, WR (1 year contract vet to replace Hardy)
Slight Changes required-
QB (meaning, I like Hamster and all, but we need a Chaz Batch type to help T.E.)
Changes would be VERY beneficial-
G, S, TE, DT, LB
Please, bring in SOMEONE, ANYONE-
DE, C
Now if only this gopher could play DE, we would be doing better, I mean, who couldn't play better than the corpse brothers Kelsay and Denney?
by WABillsfan on Jan 20, 2009 7:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Here’s how I see it
QB- vet backup. Kitna and Batch are my top two
RB- Lynch and F-Jack are good enough for me.
FB- we need one who can, you know, lead block. catching is optional
WR- I’m fine with what we have for now
TE- I’d like to experiment with this thing other teams do. They have their TEs catch the ball on a regular basis.
OT- deal with the Peters situation and we’re fine.
OG- probably want a backup, but I’m fine with our starters
C- After seeing what a season without one looks like, I’d personally like to bring the position back.
DE- I want a starter. If that means Kelsay leaves, I won’t lose too much sleep (unlike some of you, I won’t be up all night celebrating)
DT – More depth here would be nice
LB- We need a starter. That starter might be Crowell, it might be a MLB and we move Poz outside, but we need another starter
CB – We’re fine here. I’d like to retain Greer and trade McGee, but whatever. Maybe add another depth guy or something, but we’re pretty okay here.
S- I’m actually ok with our starters. I’m not thrilled, but if there are no big changes here I won’t question it.
by Hopefulcynic on Jan 21, 2009 12:19 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

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