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Buffalo Rumblings Community Needs List: The Rough Draft

Over the past three weeks, we here at Buffalo Rumblings have diligently dissected the mediocre, highly suspect cast of characters that is the Buffalo Bills' roster in our ever-expanding attempt for inclusion in Ralph Wilson's vaunted "inner circle" of decision-makers at One Bills Drive. With those reviews complete - and reviewable here - we can now begin putting together a summary of the fruits of our labor. And the fruits, folks, are juicy and plentiful.

Yesterday, part one of our work was finalized when we identified Buffalo's 2009 core roster.  This list of 41 players are the names around which the Bills hope to build a winner in 2009 (I hear you snickering), and form the basis of the second part of our work: our Community Needs List.

What you see below are the 13 needs that this community identified that the Bills need to address over the next few months.  Right now, the lists are prioritized by offense and defense as per our lengthy discussions over the past few weeks.  Your job now?  Combine them into one uber-list.  There will be no polling in this step.  Instead, if you've got opinions to express, make them known in the comments section.  First, the two lists...

Prioritized Offensive Needs
1.  Receiving tight end (yes, I'm still shocked that this won top offensive priority)
2.  Center
3.  Veteran wide receiver
4.  Veteran backup quarterback
5.  Reserve center/guard
6.  Blocking fullback
7.  Viable third running back

Prioritized Defensive Needs
1.  Pass-rushing defensive end
2.  Massive rotational defensive tackle
3.  Starting strong-side linebacker
4.  Young defensive end depth
5.  Reserve swing linebacker
6.  Developmental safety prospect

Realistically, I understand that a lot of you are going to want to re-arrange things based on your own opinions, which we've obviously heard a lot of over the past three weeks.  Obviously, as I'm no dictator, I can't stop you from doing that.  Ideally, however, some of you will find it in your heart to uphold the integrity of the community at large and avoid re-prioritizing the lists.  If you can't in good conscience betray your opinions, even if they've been expressed ad nauseam in previous locales, then re-arrange until your little heart is content.  My goal, however, is for the comments to center around prioritizing the 13 needs, rather than re-hashing the same old (read: C vs TE, C vs DE, etc.) arguments.

So have at it, folks.  I'll join you in prioritizing at some point, but for now, let's get as many prioritized lists in the comments section as we can.  We'll use your discussions below to finalize the complete lists, and then we'll get to the fun part - putting together a list of desirable player acquisitions and digging into their bios.  For now, let's go, folks!

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I want a DE in the first round, but I want them to address the ineptitude of the offense in the coming months:

If they get a viable receiver at TE, and a compliment to Lee, it will also benefit Marshawn and Fred.

1. Pass-rushing defensive end
2. Receiving tight end
3. Veteran wide receiver
4. Center
5. Blocking fullback
6. Starting strong-side linebacker
7. Young defensive end depth
8. Veteran backup quarterback
9. Massive rotational defensive tackle
10. Developmental safety prospect
11. Reserve swing linebacker
12. Reserve center/guard
13. Viable third running back

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 21, 2009 1:12 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

1. (D) Pass-rushing defensive end
2. (O) Receiving tight end (yes, I’m still shocked that this won top offensive priority)
3. (O) Center
4. (O) Veteran wide receiver
5. (D) Massive rotational defensive tackle
6. (D) Starting strong-side linebacker
7. (O) Veteran backup quarterback – (i’m beginning to get a little worried about this position)
8. (D) Young defensive end depth
9. (O) Reserve center/guard
10. (O) Blocking fullback
11. (D) Reserve swing linebacker
12. (D) Developmental safety prospect
13. (O) Viable third running back

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 21, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I still

believe in this list. While we can argue for days priority #1, 2, 3. What we can all agree on is that in no particular order, (Center, DE, TE, DT, OLB) are needs that have to be addressed this off-season. WE cannot continue with the status quo. We need a dominant Defense in Buffalo so Trent and the offense aren’t ALWAYS playing from behind.

I’m not a big fan of going to spend big money in FA. When you look at the future of this team, huge contracts eventually will have to be given out to Edwards & Lynch, Peters, and hopefully someone on defense will be worthy of a big contract.

This may not be the forum for this now. But the more I studied of Peters play this season, his situation in Buffalo, the salary cap concerns, seeing Mike Gandy be a serviceable LT in AZ, I would instead of saying its a 1% chance he is traded, I would give it more of a 25%. I wouldn’t do it, but I can see the FO saying hey we don’t want to dole out this huge money to this guy. And if someone were to dangle fair compensation in return, I could see them doing it. But this topic is for another day

MARVelous

by MARVelous on Jan 21, 2009 1:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think we do need to discuss this in-depth at some point (in another post), the Peters thing.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 21, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

With no worthy replacement in place

it shouldn’t even be a consideration. And don’t give me Kirk Chambers or Langston Walker. They’d get eaten alive as a LT for a full season….

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by Kurupt on Jan 22, 2009 1:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll take my stab at it.....

Prioritized Offensive Needs
1. Receiving tight end (yes, I’m still shocked that this won top offensive priority)
2. Center
3. Veteran wide receiver
4. Veteran backup quarterback
5. Reserve center/guard
6. Blocking fullback
7. Viable third running back

Prioritized Defensive Needs
1. Pass-rushing defensive end
2. Massive rotational defensive tackle
3. Starting strong-side linebacker
4. Young defensive end depth
5. Reserve swing linebacker
6. Developmental safety prospect

1. Massive DT
2. Starting Center
3. DE
4. TE
5. S-OLB
6. Vet QB
7. Saftey prospect
8. Vet WR
9. Reserve Center/Guard
10. Swing LB
11. Blocking fullback
12. third RB

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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 21, 2009 1:40 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

and 13 would be young DE depth.....

i guess lol

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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 21, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ok

because we agreed to keep our opinions out of it and stick to the lists I’ll just open with a complaint that Blocking Fullback is 6th on the list. Since you appear to be asking us to mix the lists without altering the orders of the offense and defense lists I’ll move on..

1. Pass Rushing DE
2. Receiving TE
3. Center
4. Massive Rotational DT
5. Starting strong-side LB
6. Veteran WR
7. Veteran Backup QB
8. Reserve G/C
9. Blocking FB
10. Young Defensive end depth
11. 3rd RB
12. Reserve swing LB
13. Developmental S prospect

Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.

by poz on Jan 21, 2009 1:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

So we were supposed to mesh the D with the O, without reordering where they stand in their respective “families?” Hmm.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 21, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure

You all seemed to interpret it differently than I did but it seems like that was what Brian was saying. If we didn’t trust me that center and blocking FB would be higher on my list.

Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.

by poz on Jan 21, 2009 2:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I wasn’t asking, per se, just merely observing that it’ll be far easier for me to tabulate the results if the two separate lists are adhered to as strictly as possible. I was NOT asking you to suppress your opinions, merely asking that we try to keep the conversation from degrading into another “center is more important than defensive end and here’s all the reasons why” thing, because we’ve been there and done that. That’s all.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 21, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ah

i think I get it now

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by poz on Jan 21, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think he means the two original lists.....not the final one......meaning if you feel TE isnt number one for the offensive side of the ball....thats not the point..

but now you get to prioritze from all 13 that we as a community has addressed.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 21, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My Take

1. Pass-rushing defensive end
2. Receiving tight end
3. Center
4. Massive rotational defensive tackle
5. Starting strong-side linebacker
6. Veteran wide receiver
7. Veteran backup quarterback
8. Young defensive end depth
9. Reserve center/guard
10. Blocking fullback
11. Reserve swing linebacker
12. Developmental safety prospect
13. Viable third running back

by patamunzo on Jan 21, 2009 2:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

It’s really hard to prioritize what we need without looking at the difficulty (or lack thereof) of filling the positions. Basically, do we need to go out in free agency and get a DE right away, or use a first round pick on that, or would it be smarter to get a C there, etc, etc.

I hope that made some sort of sense…anyway

I’d go- DE, TE, DT, C, LB, DE depth, WR, QB, reserve LB, reserve C, S, FB, 3rd RB.

John Madden told me 90% of the game was half-mental...

by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Jan 21, 2009 2:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Think of “priority” as “most crucial to upgrade for team success”. Leave the ease of acquisition out of it. That’s what we mean by “priority” here.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 21, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Gotcha

For whatever reason, I had a hard time separating it- still stand by my list tho.

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by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Jan 21, 2009 3:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Redux.......

1.Pass rushing DE
2.Massive DT
3. TE
4. Center
5. S-OLB
6. Vet WR
7. Young DE
8. Backup QB
9. Reserve Swing LB
10. Reserve Center/Guard
11. Blocking Fullback
12. Safety prospect
13. Third RB

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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 21, 2009 2:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Brian, I replied to my original comment,

adjusting to fill out as you hoped we would.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 21, 2009 2:19 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I see that! I like your second list better than your first, incidentally. :)

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 21, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Of course you do!

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 21, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If we're not factoring in the ease of accomplishing it

1) DE
2) C
3) TE
4) LB
5) FB
6) QB
7) DT
7) G

All the rest aren’t worthy of prioritizing. Not that I would mind improvement there, but I think that they all should be afterthoughts done on a basis of the resources and our options.

by Hopefulcynic on Jan 21, 2009 2:33 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Everything is worthy of prioritizing here. Remember, we’re running the ship. We’re filling ALL of these if we get the chance.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 21, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree

I know what you’re saying, but I disagree. Past those 8 everything is a matter of what’s available. Those 8 things must be taken care of. Everything else is a luxury and should be evaluated as such. None of them are actual needs, as I believe we would have LBs, 3 RBs, 4 S, 4 DEs, etc. Going back, maybe we need one more WR, but to use the draft terminology I’m all for BPA after that point.

by Hopefulcynic on Jan 21, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think you’re just taking the easy way out. ;)

No, but seriously, I’m an extremely boring and thorough person, and I could torture you guys (and gals) for hours about why a third running back – a position that nearly everybody is putting last on their list, and which you lumped into the “luxury” category – would be an incredibly beneficial addition for the Bills. I truly consider each and every one of these needs. I think all of them need to be addressed; hence “need”, not “luxury”.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 21, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And I don't

I don’t think they are needs. I think that at some point you have to say “we have two perfectly serviceable RBs, each of whom can carry the load in a game and do a good job.” A third would be nice, but in the grand scheme of things will probably be the difference between victory and defeat a whole 0 times. Now we could have freak accidents injure Lynch and Jackson, but we also could have freak injuries take out all of our CBs or all of our OTs; the point is you can’t base your plans off of freak accidents. I think that in order to maximize value, you do two things. You ensure that you have enough players at every position, and you get the best players possible. That means that past those 8, we stop looking at needs and starting looking at who we can get regardless of position.

by Hopefulcynic on Jan 21, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Weird thing is, I agree with what you’re saying re: BPA at a certain point. I just view that more as an acquisition strategy. I still very much consider the 5 positions you’re leaving off the list as needs.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 21, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’ll get mine out of the way while I’ve got a few minutes here…

1. Pass-rushing defensive end
2. Receiving tight end
3. Center
4. Massive rotational defensive tackle
5. Starting strong-side linebacker
6. Veteran backup quarterback
7. Young defensive end prospect
8. Veteran wide receiver
9. Reserve center/guard
10. Blocking fullback
11. Developmental safety prospect
12. Viable third running back
13. Reserve swing linebacker

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 21, 2009 2:35 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

SO you must think that Johnson will step up or Hardy will be ready in time for the season.

Otherwise you wouldn’t have put WR after a developmental prospect.

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by MattRichWarren on Jan 21, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No, it’s more along the lines of I think a good tight end threat significantly lowers the need for a guy that will ultimately be one of six receivers in a smorgasbord of not-that-great.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 21, 2009 2:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good point....

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by MattRichWarren on Jan 21, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Haha. Sorry for all the confusion!

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 21, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Mutiny on the bounty!

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 21, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This is not the order I think they will be addressed or the draft order...

This is what I feel will take us from average to great.
1. D: Pass-rushing defensive end
2. O: Receiving tight end (although I am in the Center over TE debate I will do what Brian asked)
3. O: Center
4. D: Massive rotational DT (Again, I would place starting OLB ahead of this)
5. D: Starting LB
6. O: Veteran WR
7. O: Veteran QB (Batch Bandwagon baby)
8. D: DE depth
9. O: Reserve center/guard
10. O: Blocking fullback (should be higher)
11. D: Reserve LB
12. D: Developmental Safety
13. O: 3rd RB

If I am doing my own list independent of the Community at large:

1. D: Pass-rushing defensive end
2. O: Center
3. O: Receiving tight end
4. D: Starting LB
5. O: Veteran QB (Batch Bandwagon baby)
6. O: Blocking fullback (should be higher)
7. O: Veteran WR
8. D: Massive rotational DT (Again, I would place starting OLB ahead of this)
9. D: DE depth
10. O: Reserve center/guard
11. D: Reserve LB
12. D: Developmental Safety
13. O: 3rd RB

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by MattRichWarren on Jan 21, 2009 2:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

i like your personal list

only thing I would think about changing are swapping 7 and 8 and maybe putting 1 and 2 at even.

Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.

by poz on Jan 21, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed...count me in with Matt's personal list.

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by Joe P. on Jan 21, 2009 5:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How About

Picking up UFA Julius Peppers and then drafting DT B.J. Raji in the first round.

by gjv on Jan 21, 2009 3:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, it’s been pretty thoroughly reported that Peppers wants to play in a 3-4 defense. He’s not coming to Buffalo for that and a bazillion other reasons.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 21, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Don’t believe everything you read. Our money is as good as anybodys.

by gjv on Jan 21, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Assuming that Peppers is not tagged, becomes a free agent, and he can decide where he wants to play, I wonder if he would accept more money to play in a 4-3 over less money to play in a 3-4? You can be so much more creative with a 3-4 front than a 4-3. It sounds like Peppers wants to be used in a lot of different ways, which is more typically seen in a 3-4, to maximize his potential. I wonder if a new defensive line coach would have any kind of influence? I don’t know how much Peppers will consider location and winning, because he has that in Carolina and still wants out.

Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.

by Fort Worth on Jan 21, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I mentioned absolutely nothing about money. So… yeah, that really means nothing here.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 21, 2009 3:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Better

It’s better!!! It has a little bit of wing sauce on it !!!!

by Easy Money on Jan 21, 2009 8:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Peppers

is just playing the negotiation game with the Panthers. Its all business. Peppers wants to be compensated more than fairly. By saying he wants out, to play in a 3-4, is just a way to deliver the first blow to the Panthers. I will not be surprised to see him get the deal he wants. However the Panthers have numerous other issues to address to get their cap situation under control first

MARVelous

by MARVelous on Jan 21, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

MONEY!!

We have plenty of money to pay him !!! It is not as if we can’t dump a few overpaid non performing other DE’s we have on the team to bring in a good one!!!!

by Easy Money on Jan 21, 2009 8:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bring back BRUCE !!!!! He is better than what we have now at DE!!! What a waste of money!!

by Easy Money on Jan 22, 2009 7:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The Bills Have To Make

somekind of a spash this off season in order to create a positive atmosphere for the upcoming season. Wilson and his front office might not be good football minds ,but they are decent business people. I would expect to see them do something that will take the fans minds off all the negative commentary surrounding the franchise. The signing of Peppers is not too far fetch.

by gjv on Jan 21, 2009 3:33 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

if we are throwing out potential splash scenarios

I think the Bills go for one high priced free agent, one medium priced, and one cheap priced.

High priced: Terrell Suggs, DE
Medium priced: Amani Toomer, WR
Cheap priced: Lorenzo Neal, FB

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by poz on Jan 21, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It’ll take more than Pepper to season this dish properly.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 21, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ha!

nice one

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by poz on Jan 21, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nice pun.

Puns are the highest form of comedy

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by MattRichWarren on Jan 21, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree that a splash is needed. Did you have input on the needs list? :)

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 21, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I have input on the splash list =)

Jason Brown
Terrell Suggs
Bryant Johnson

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 21, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

panda????

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by MattRichWarren on Jan 21, 2009 5:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No longer on the endangered list.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 21, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

splash

we don’t need a splash. We just need to fill a few holes once again and try to hit on our draft picks again. We need desperate help at the WR/TE pass-catching position and pass rushing position. If either of those were possible to fill via FA I would do anything I could to do that.

Suggs is my #1 dream guy to land. To bring a guy that loves playing football that much into our team would be a breath of fresh air. I would overpay for one guy and go get him. I think Suggs is that guy

MARVelous

by MARVelous on Jan 21, 2009 4:26 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

For the ninety millionth time, it’s “fresh of breath air”.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 21, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i don't get it?

maybe its my strict analytical mind but I don’t get it

MARVelous

by MARVelous on Jan 21, 2009 5:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't RObert Royal say that in an interview

That’s why people are using it…. It’s an inside joke

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by MattRichWarren on Jan 21, 2009 5:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, definitely Robert Royal. Called Marshawn a “fresh of breath air”. I’ve been trying to popularize the phrase ever since.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 22, 2009 6:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I picked up on it...

guess nobody else did

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by MattRichWarren on Jan 22, 2009 10:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's just water under the dam

everything goes better with a BIG MACK

by keuka121 on Jan 22, 2009 8:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Signing Suggs and Peppers

then drafting Raji “WOW” what a splash.

by gjv on Jan 21, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Only in Madden my friend.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 21, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I know Brian, just having some fun

by gjv on Jan 21, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Best Player Available

I would draft either a good linebacker if he is there, Maulaga from USC who just plain is a hitter and plays with an attitude, or Everette Brown at DE. Although, it may take a few years for Brown to make an impact. As for drafting a TE in the first round, I would rather take a good center like Mack, since this is a pretty good draft for Tight Ends.

by BuffaloWhiner on Jan 21, 2009 4:28 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Again, we’re gathering input for this list based on Bills’ needs, rather than ease of acquisition.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 21, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

For me its:

1 – DE
2 – TE
3 – C
4 – LB
5 – FB
6 – DE
7 – S
8 – G/C
9 – QB
10 – DT
11 – WR
12 – LB

I refuse to list running back because I would prefer Buffalo not waste a pick on someone to compete with Omon or replace Bruce Hall on the practice squad or anything like that. Buffalo has a starter who can be a workhorse and a backup who has shown he can handle 25 carries a game for stretches. 3rd RB just isn’t important and this team just drafted one last year. Let’s see what we have in Omon before drafting somebody else.

I have DT so low because I think Buffalo can go into next season with the 4 guys they have now. I’m not completely ready to discard McCargo yet. He will have a new DL coach and lowered expectations this season. I think he can be that run stuffing rotational DT this year. So I think DT is more of oportunist pick, which I am OK with. If Raji is there at 11, I would have no problem picking him. I realize thinking that a DT isn’t much of a need this offseason is somewhat contradictory to my build for the future stance, but I think a rotational piece can be added down the road without difficulty, so if Buffalo is going to add a DT it better be a good one, otherwise I’m fine with McCargo as the 4th DT. In other words, I think replacing McCargo with a 5th round pick is just a lateral move, so what’s the point?

I struggled to place the second DE because it depends a lot on how good the first DE is.

I have QB low for the same logic as DT. If the Bills miss out on a great backup this year, it’s no big deal because we aren’t going anywhere. Just to use fullback as an example, I would rather go into the season with a backup who stinks like Kyle Boller and a good FB then go into next season with a great backup QB and a fullback like McIntyre or Barnes. If we get stuck with a crappy backup next year because we used time, draft picks and resources elsewhere, then I am fine with that as long as Buffalo addresses it somewhat this offseason (that means no Hamdan as #2) and finds a good one by the time this team is playoff ready, then I’m happy.

I don’t buy the need for a veteran WR. When is he going to play? This team doesn’t need depth at WR, we need a better #2. So if a WR isn’t going to come in and start over Reed, I’m not sure what they have to bring to the table other than pusing Johnson and Hardy down the depth chart and I’m not a fan of that at all. I would prefer this team do nothing than sign a mediocre player like Bryant Johnson.

I’m not sure this team even needs to add 2 LBs this offseason as long as the one they get is a good starter. Ellison and Digi as backups as well as Bowen and Constanzo as deep depth and special teamers is fine by me. Who knows, maybe Bowen will surprise this year and be a good 3rd string option on the weak side and even push Ellison a little.

by kaisertown on Jan 21, 2009 4:47 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

13 – RB.

There. Took care of it for you. :)

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 21, 2009 4:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

HAHAHAHA

Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.

by poz on Jan 21, 2009 4:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No, but seriously – Lynch and Jackson have both been dinged over the past two seasons. You guys realize that when one of them misses a stretch of 2-3 games, we’re down to one RB, right? Do we really want Xavier Omon handling Fred Jackson’s complementary role during that stretch of games? Obviously RB is way low on the list, but to refuse to list it because you don’t want a draft pick spent on it is weird to me. We need a third RB. Or, rather, we need a third RB that is more reliable than Xavier Omon. I hate that draft pick more and more every day.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 21, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i think

it comes down to the fact that there are so many JJ Arrington’s floating around in free agency every year that if we need one we will get one

Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.

by poz on Jan 21, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Arrington would be fine by me… but the fact that RB is easy to fill shouldn’t negate it from consideration on the list…

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 21, 2009 4:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

we can

easily find a 3rd RB, but lets just not let the FO draft one cuz they have shown they can’t do that. I don’t want to draft a RB this year anyhow. There are plenty of RB’s to find out there and many will be undrafted FA’s.

I have to go

1) pass catching TE – fine with a 2-4th round pick as long as he is a pass catcher first, blocker 2nd
2) DE
3) C
4) DT
5) OLG
6) Vet WR
7) FB
8) Vet backup QB

8) Backup Vet QB
9)

MARVelous

by MARVelous on Jan 21, 2009 5:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Fred Jackson has a complementary role on the offense because he is Fred Jackson more than Lynch needs someone to split carries with. If Jackson were to miss a few games, then I’m OK with Lynch getting 20-25 carries and Omon getting a few when Lynch needs a breather and same for Fred Jackson if Lynch misses some time. I know Omon looked bad, but it was 6 carries. If you don’t like Omon then I understand where your coming from and I would put RB ahead of LB and probably WR too, but I want to see more of Omon, who I thought was pretty decent last preseason, before I use another pick on a running back.

by kaisertown on Jan 21, 2009 5:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not sure this team even needs to add 2 LBs this offseason as long as the one they get is a good starter.

I don’t think I’ve heard your stance on Crowell yet kaisertown. I’m curious as to what you think should be done with him.

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by poz on Jan 21, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Crowell

Since the Jauron era began, Crowell has made as many big plays on defense as anyone except for Aaron Schobel in 2006, and Crowell didn’t even play in 2008. If deemed physically sound, then I think Crowell deserves a strong consideration. The Bills need difference-makers and big plays, and Crowell has shown that he can provide that.

Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.

by Fort Worth on Jan 21, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think you’re right to an extent. Crowell has made some plays, but it’s not like he’s been super duper uber ultra productive. He had what, like 3 sacks, 2 picks and a couple of forced/recovered fumbles? Sounds like Kawika Mitchell to me.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 21, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Solid production from a linebacker.

Plus I think he still has room for improvement.

Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.

by Fort Worth on Jan 21, 2009 5:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think he was more productive than Mitchell. More importantly, on teams that have lacked playmakers, he has still made some plays.

by Hopefulcynic on Jan 21, 2009 5:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Which was attained in the Tampa-2. So he’s not going to get the numbers a 3-4 guy would. I like Crowell’s contributions.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 21, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What’s this about a 3-4 guy?

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 22, 2009 6:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If we are comparing LB production,

then we should take into consideration that LB’s in certain schemes have better stats in certain areas than LB’s in other schemes. For example, 3-4 LB’s typically rush the passer more than Cover 2 LB’s, and thus they usually get more sacks.

Nothing you didn’t already know. Just clarification ;)

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by Fort Worth on Jan 22, 2009 9:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You havn’t heard a stance because I really havn’t thrown one out there. I like the idea of Crowell coming back. He is at least an average starter if not a little better than that and you can probably get him at a good price. I guess it just comes down to which LBs make it to FA and what their contract demands are. I would much rather bring Crowell back than draft a LB in the first two rounds except for maybe Aaron Curry in the first. And I wouldn’t be comfortable with starting a LB who we drafted later than that, so I like Crowell more then the draft, less than some of the free agents and for the right price (assuming other players are the wrong price) I think Crowell might be our best option.

by kaisertown on Jan 21, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Vet WR is due to the Hardy injury and the fact that Parrish and Reed cannot stay on the field for 16 games right now

Thats why I personally think getting a 1 year rent a vet is a useful move at the WR position for us.

Now if only this gopher could play DE, we would be doing better, I mean, who couldn't play better than the corpse brothers Kelsay and Denney?

by WABillsfan on Jan 22, 2009 3:08 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Marvin Harrison

everything goes better with a BIG MACK

by keuka121 on Jan 22, 2009 8:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I don’t think he’d work out too well here. He looks absolutely done.

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by Kurupt on Jan 22, 2009 10:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Reed hasn’t been all that injury prone in Buffalo. He missed 2 games last year and 1 game the year before. I just think that if you add that vet WR, you have to keep 6 WRs on the roster, none of whom can contribute on special teams other than Steve Johnson and Roscoe for returns. That is a lot of space when we can get by with the guys we have right now. We need to get Johnson and Hardy some reps so that they are good when this team is actually in position to win. A mediocre vet would certainly provide depth and help a little in the short term, but I am more concerned about the long term where I think it actually hurts us.

by kaisertown on Jan 22, 2009 9:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

why is everyone so down on DT?

I know our DT situation isn’t exactly elite but I wouldn’t put it as high on the list as everyone else is. Williams was serviceable and Stroud was double covered nearly every game. I think LB should definitely be higher than that because another year with Kieth Ellison as a starter will make me puke.

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by evdawg419 on Jan 21, 2009 5:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The way I see it

DT is more important to a defense than LB, especially for those who believe that games are won and lost in the trenches. Also, I think 2/3 starting LB’s are in good shape, while 2/2 starting DT’s are in good shape, but 1 of them will be 31 years old when the season begins and has an injury history. I think DT is a greater need than LB.

Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.

by Fort Worth on Jan 21, 2009 5:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Clarification

DT is more important to a team than LB.

Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.

by Fort Worth on Jan 21, 2009 6:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The way I see things.

1. Defensive End
2. Receiving TE
3. Center
4. Veteran WR
5. Veteran QB
6. Rotational DT
7. Strong Side LB
8. Reserve C/G
9. Fullback
10. Reserve DE
11. Viable 3rd RB
12. Reserve LB
13. Developmental Safety

The most glaring problem with this team is the lack of pass rush it needs to be addressed. Followed closely by a receiving TE. I’m not sure why everyone put Vet QB so low on the list. I think it is really important unless you think Trent will start all 16 games next season and not get hurt. Does anyone want to see Gilbram Hamden playing?

A top tier defensive end can make the entire defense better!!!

by kenner70 on Jan 21, 2009 5:52 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

My list is skewed to the "D"

because I believe if we can get a real D-Line and a real MLB ( moving Poz to the strong side where he belongs) we will make the playoffs next year.
1) DE
2) MLB
3)TE
4)OLB
5)DT
6)FB
7)WR
8)QB
9)C
10)DE
11)G/C
12)T

by gjv on Jan 21, 2009 5:59 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

so you are putting backup OLB ahead of starting FB?

And look how far down Center is. I don’t get bringing in backups before starers man.

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by MattRichWarren on Jan 21, 2009 9:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How is MLB even on the list? We didn’t have it as a need in the first place…

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 22, 2009 6:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He waants Poz outside so we need a new MLB

I’m confused too. I don’t know if #4 is a new starter or a backup?

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by MattRichWarren on Jan 22, 2009 10:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

I agree that Poz is out of position in this defense. If it was a 3-4 he is perfect inside but not in the 4-3. A great defensive front will make everyone else look better. Anyone hear of Jim Leonard????

by Easy Money on Jan 22, 2009 8:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No List

I am new, but thought I would comment.
The Bills need an identity, first can be at any position or any support position.

by nasa LaRC on Jan 21, 2009 10:28 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

For the helluva it, here’s my list.

1. Center. Obviously, only because we don’t have one. This is an absolute need to me.
2. A good DE. Notice I didn’t say "pass rushing" DE. They need a DE capable of playing starter minutes.
3. Starting strong-side linebacker.
4. Veteran backup quarterback. Remember, we won’t have JP to rely on anymore.
5. Veteran wide receiver, but only if that guy has the ability to push Reed back into the slot where he belongs.
6. Massive rotational defensive tackle.
7. Receiving tight end. If number 5 happens, then this is the spot for a TE. But if number five doesn’t get addressed, I’d consider a switch with number five.
8. Reserve center/guard.
9. Reserve swing linebacker.
10. Safety prospect.
11. Viable third running back.
12. Fullback/Special Teams demon.
13. Young defensive end depth.

With only seven draft picks, and a seemingly limited amount of cap money (Peters might eat up to 30-40% of available cap space all by himself, and Buffalo certainly won’t spend to the cap), they are going to have to be near perfect in FA and the draft.

by krytime on Jan 22, 2009 12:25 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

My 2 cents.....

1. Defensive End
2. Receiving TE
3. Center
4. Rotational DT
5. Strong Side LB
6. Veteran WR
7. Veteran QB
8. Reserve DE
9. Reserve C/G
10. Fullback
11. Viable 3rd RB
12. Reserve LB
13. Developmental Safety

Do I agree with my own list? Not completely, but in trying to keep in line with what Brian wants us to do here, I had to move put a few positions higher up, because the positions I want addressed were too far down, i.e. Passing TE @ #2, so I could elevate a Center, in reality, I would have those roles reversed to begin with. Hell, I almost (I said almost) want to put DT above TE, but I can’t put it before C, hence the #4 spot on the list.

In reality here is what I want:

1. DE/C
3. TE (pure pass catcher, blocking is extra)/DT
5. QB
6. WR/LB
8. FB
9. OL/DE (for depth)
11. 3rd RB
12. S/LB
 
If there are two side by side, I kinda feel that they are almost equally important, but it just depends what side of the ball we are looking at, but the first one I listed, I feel that I would be a harder to aquire an instant impact player at that position (and just a name and a #)

Just my 2 cents….and I am not expecting any change back….

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by MonStarr_716 on Jan 22, 2009 12:32 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

1. Insane freak-athlete linebacker—would change the entire complexion of the defense. I know Takeo Spikes was a failure in Buffalo, but when he was on the field, things seemed to happen like interceptions, fumbles, etc. It really does freak OCs out when they have to game plan away from someone like that. I think LBs are the most important defensive position.
2. Veteran QB—I still maintain that a decent veteran QB could have won us two more games. Edwards is going to miss at least 3 games, we need a veteran who can step in and use his smarts to win us a couple of games and definitely not a 40 year old Wade Wilson type.
3. Receiving TE
4. Massive reserve split-level house DT—nothing like pressure up the middle to freak out Brady and Pennington
5 Reserve C
6. Strong Safety—not too hot on Scott. I’ve seen him take too many bad angles, not crazy speed. He’s okay, but I think a real solid Strong Safety would free Whitner to be the impact player he can be. Reed and Polamalu are given much more free range and can take liberties, ergo the big impact plays. Interceptions are more about understanding the game as Mark Kelso showed for years.
7—Veteran FB with full complement of skills, blocking, catching, and running, someone who is a real all around threat and can be the third running back
8. Young 235 lb developmental WR-I like Evans and Reed and if this kid Johnson keeps developing, we could have something quite special going
9—Reserve young Massive 280-290 lb DE with brute strength and deceptive speed and agility as a change up to the 250-260 DEs we have

by Ono on Jan 22, 2009 12:41 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

You list reserve center....

The Bills don’t have a Center who is signed pat the end of February. SHould they go with nobody starting at the position?

Also, we have a 220lb developmental WR named James Hardy. We need a one or two year starter-level talent.

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by MattRichWarren on Jan 22, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I forgot Preston was an FA, UFA, RFA (whatever) I think they resign him and develop someone behind him. Hardy is a great prospect but he won’t be ready in the Fall and we don’t know how he’ll respond to his rehab.

Also, we may lose Parrish somewhere down the line. I don’t know how many years he has left but we may lose him because we may not want to pay him big dollars yet not want to lose him because of special teams, which means we would likely lose him because someone will pay for the home run threat in the return game. It’s what won Green Bay their recent superbowl.

I think it would be great to have another big WR in development so that there is no drop off.

by Ono on Jan 22, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We just paid Parrish. He got a ridiculous contract for a punt returner. After watching Fred Jackson return punts very well this year, I think Roscoe benefits more from the blocking and schemes of April than anything. He’s definitely not worth the contract he received, not even close. I’d be fine with trading him or if it comes down to it, cutting him…..

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by Kurupt on Jan 22, 2009 5:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yup. An overpaid role player.

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by keuka121 on Jan 22, 2009 8:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

needs are all correct

I am sorry to disagree with list in one fashion.
D-end is need but schobel will be back. the most glaring need to bring o-line togather is solid/ great center. Then move down list.
C
recieving TE
DE
Big good to great WR
………….etc

by 06shoebelbacker on Jan 22, 2009 12:51 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

The sad thing is

this list contains at least ten players!!!

My list:

1.) TE
2.) DE
3.) OLB
4.) C
5.) WR
6.) FB
7.) DT

We have very minimal to no depth and our starters log an abundance of playing time because of this. Too become a playoff team we must be more physical, more aggressive and posses a certain desire. None of which can be accomplished with Juaron at the helm.

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by Cutter3636 on Jan 22, 2009 1:00 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I thought this was about the roster...

not the coaches

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by MattRichWarren on Jan 22, 2009 10:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

1. Pass Rushing DE
2. Center
3. Pass Rusher
4. TE with receiving skills
5. OLB
6. DT
7. Starting Safety alongside Scott :)
8. Vet WR
9. Backup QB, vet
10. FB
11. G/C depth
12. LB depth
13. RB

Wow, this list looks like last year’s list, only with no CB on it…..ugh

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by Kurupt on Jan 22, 2009 1:49 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Well, I guess I better add my crap too

The Brian request list-

1. Pass-rushing defensive end (‘nuff said already)
2. Receiving tight end (dang list requirement
3. Center
4. Massive rotational defensive tackle (need some beef to backup Stroud)
5. Starting strong-side linebacker
6. Veteran wide receiver (Hardy injured, Reed and Parrish can’t be counted for 16 gms)
7. Veteran backup quarterback (no JP to rag on anymore)
8. Young defensive end depth
9. Reserve swing linebacker
10. Reserve center/guard
11 Blocking fullback (Lorenzo Neal anyone?)
12 Developmental safety prospect (Whitner can’t stay healthy)
13 Viable third running back (scat back would be nice for screen passes)

MY list-
1. Pass-rushing defensive end (once again, ‘nuff said)
2. Center (We need to keep Lynch upright PAST the Line of Scrimmage)
3 Receiving tight end (will help Trent alot, especially if he can run downfield)
4 Starting strong-side linebacker (Crowell or Hill, as long as they can TACKLE)
5 Massive rotational defensive tackle (Beef for Stroud I say, BEEF!!!!)
6 Veteran backup quarterback (Chaz Batch please!)
7 Veteran wide receiver (Hardy/Reed/Parrish injury replacement)
8 Developmental safety prospect (Whitner cannot stay healthy tackling like he does)
9 Viable third running back (Scat back would help our 3rd down conversion rate)
10 Young defensive end depth (Need a Schobel replacement soon)
11 Blocking fullback (Neal once again, or Fiammetta please)
12 Reserve swing linebacker (Bowen should be OK by TC, so not as big a deal)
13 Reserve center/guard (Sigh, we got Preston, as long as he doesn’t start, he can stay)

Now if only this gopher could play DE, we would be doing better, I mean, who couldn't play better than the corpse brothers Kelsay and Denney?

by WABillsfan on Jan 22, 2009 3:22 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Stud TE will answer multiple needs

If we are willing to get a true receiving, stretch-the-middle-of-field TE, I believe we do not need the veteran WR. We would be just fine with the current group of WRs. If there is a TE in this draft that we feel stands out, we need to get him early. If we can trade down in the first round, great. If not, don’t risk that TE not being there for us in round 2. I’m not talking about another Derek Fine either.

I do not understand the reluctance of the Bills to fill this need once and for all. Yeah, trying to deal for Gonzalez was great, but we should have never entered last season with the group of TEs that we had.

This season has been the worst feeling ever provided by our Bills...a feeling of humiliation. Starting out 5-1 and finishing in last place has been a very cruel tease.

by ChipShot on Jan 22, 2009 7:40 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

but what happens when the QB is afraid to throw it downfield?

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by Kurupt on Jan 22, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I can't tell you how many times

I asked that question about Edwards at this point last year. I wasn’t sure if he lacked arm strength or lacked confidence in his arm. To me, the jury is still out. Sometimes he pulls the trigger and sometimes he doesn’t.

Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.

by Fort Worth on Jan 22, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

To think, with the roster built the way it is, using posession receivers (and Lee), that we still struggled to produce. I don’t know if a field-stretcher will change things up. I hope Edwards takes a huge step in trusting his arm this coming year. If not, it may never happen.

I would actually hope they make bringing in a vet QB a HUGE priority in the next month. Everyone know Edwards is a bit like Glass Joe, and with their reluctance to allow Hamden any work, everyone should be concerned. If Hammy’s not throwing the rock at least 50% of the snaps in preseason (and he’s the #2), i’ll be a bit worried.

If Losman comes back, i’m done!

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 22, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Trent Edwards did a great job with long completions this year. Edwards threw for 20+ yards on a higher percentage of pass attempts then Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Brett Favre, Donovan McNabb, Kurt Warner and Ben Roethlisberger.

by kaisertown on Jan 22, 2009 9:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow!

Where did you find that stat? Is that 20+ yards gained or 20+ yards thrown beyond the line of scrimmage?

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by Fort Worth on Jan 22, 2009 10:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

20 yards gained. NFL.com has how many 20+ and 40+ yard completions each QB threw for. So its just a ratio of 20+ vs. attempts.

by kaisertown on Jan 22, 2009 10:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Many fans will say

20 yards is 20 yards, what’s the difference?

To me there is a difference between a 20 yard throw for a 20 yard gain and a 5 yard throw with 15 yards after the catch for a 20 yard gain.

I want a dominant offense that is as difficult to defend as possible. For that to happen, the quarterback needs to throw to all areas of the field, especially downfield, so that defenses will have to defend the entire field.

Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.

by Fort Worth on Jan 22, 2009 11:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Finding a guy wide open on a check down and throwing him a good ball where he can pick up those yards and threading the needle into traffic 20 yards downfield where a guy get immediately tackled leads to the exact same result. I just want a QB who makes the decisions that lead to the most yards. If that decision is to make the throw downfield then great, but if that decision is that the linebacker is 8 yards downfield and the RB is wide open in the flat, then that is fine too.

by kaisertown on Jan 22, 2009 11:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wait a minute!

Brian, can’t we draft a coach? I didn’t see it on the master list.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 22, 2009 1:35 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

1. Pass rushing DE
2. Starting C
3. Pass catching TE
4. Rotational DT
5. FB

In FA a LB and vet WR.

Everything else is a crap shoot. We need but we cannot afford.

everything goes better with a BIG MACK

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