January Look: Top 15 Bills Draft Prospects
The 2009 NFL Draft is still more than 92 days away, but for Buffalo Bills fans, it's been draft season for about a month and a half now. With the Senior Bowl taking place this week, NFL scouts are getting their first hands-on experiences with some of the draft's top prospects; thus, draft season is now in full swing around the rest of the league, too. Draft season is one area where the Bills and the fans are ahead of the curve; let that one soak in and depress you this Friday morning.
I've always found it intriguing to do a little time travel in May, once the draft is over, to sweep back past old opinions and see how the draft landscape changed over time. This year, I thought it would be fun/interesting (and yeah, it'll probably be boring to you) to set up a little time capsule to look back on in May once this draft business is over. So what I'm asking you to do this morning is to list some of your favorite draft prospects, for any round, and talk a little bit about why you'd like to see them in a Bills uniform. Then, months from now when those players have either tanked (proving your insanity) or been drafted by the Bills (proving your foresight), we can have a good laugh about just how dramatically things changed. (At least, we hope.)
Please don't feel the need to be as elaborate as I am with my list. I now present to you my mid-January Top Bills Prospects list, which I'm sure will be radically different by the time draft week rolls around. Without further ado, here are my top ten first-round prospects - and after the jump, I've even got five second-round (for now) prospects to mention.
1. Everette Brown, DE, Florida State
6'4", 252 pounds... 13.5 sacks as JR
- Brown has a little bit of a Vernon Gholston feel to him in that he's an undersized end with terrific athleticism that might get drafted a few spots too high based on his position. I view him as the elite pass-rushing specialist in this draft, and that's exactly what Buffalo needs.
2. B.J. Raji, DT, Boston College
6'1", 323 pounds... 8 sacks as SR
- I love fat defensive linemen, and Raji is a superb athlete in addition to his baby fat. He's quite easily the best defensive tackle available this season, and even though the Bills are OK at defensive tackle, I'd have a very hard time passing up on this space-eater.
3. Aaron Curry, OLB, Wake Forest
6'3", 247 pounds... 6 career INT
- Curry is a tough, physical linebacker that can make big plays and has the versatility to play virtually any linebacker position imaginable. Excellent in coverage. He'll probably go before the Bills pick, but if he's there, he'd be an outstanding value selection at a position of need.
4. Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas
6'4", 260 pounds... 11 sacks as SR
- Set the "he went to Texas gross" label aside for a moment. Orakpo is an excellent athlete that has the type of explosion and burst around the corner that make good pass rushers elite. He can play the run, too. He'd be a situational guy as a rookie, but he has top-flight every-down end written all over him.
5. Aaron Maybin, DE, Penn State
6'4", 236 pounds... 12 sacks as SO
- "Project Mayhem" is only this low because he's raw and lacks experience. He's also an outstanding athlete with burst, but he's got some growing up to do. Given time, a good situation and some solid coaching, he'll be the best end to emerge from this draft class.
6. Peria Jerry, DT, Mississippi
6'2", 290 pounds... 18 TFL as SR
- He's got some durability issues and there are mixed reports on just how good he is at the point of attack, but there's consensus on how good an athlete he is. He's the type of active defensive lineman that the Bills love (inside, at least). His stock will continue to rise throughout the off-season.
7. Alex Mack, C, California
6'4", 316 pounds... three-time first team All-Pac-10
- The Bills have an infatuation with Pac 10 players, and Mack is good enough to deserve some infatuation from the Bills, too. He's tough, gritty, and great in the running game. Very smart. Is attempting to show some versatility by playing guard to boost his draft stock.
8. Brandon Pettigrew, TE, Oklahoma State
6'6", 260 pounds... scored 9 career TD
- This guy's size and frame alone make him a vertical threat even though he lacks elite speed. He's also one of the best blocking tight ends to come out of the college ranks in years. If there was ever going to be a TE prospect that the Bills would love, this is the guy. Opponents had to game-plan for him week in and week out in college.
9. Duke Robinson, OG, Oklahoma
6'5", 335 pounds... two-time first team All-Big-12
- I know Bills fans are averse to interior offensive linemen named Duke, but Robinson would make up for the shortcomings of our very own Raymond Preston. This Duke is big, physical, and has flashed sheer dominance as a run blocker. He needs some polishing, but once he's polished, he could evolve into one of the game's better guards.
10. Brian Cushing, OLB, USC
6'3", 255 pounds... 3 sacks, INT as SR
- This guy has "boom or bust" written all over him. I like his versatility and abilities in the box - which make him a good fit as the strong-side 'backer in Buffalo's scheme - but there are conflicting reports on his coverage skills. Plus, he's got durability issues and lacks experience. He's kind of a "last resort" pick in my mind, but he's got time to answer questions, too.
Second Round Prospects to Watch
1. Eric Wood, C, Louisville
6'4", 309 pounds... four-year starter at Louisville
- Nobody ever talks about this guy, but I consider him the second-best center prospect in this year's draft, even ahead of Oregon's Max Unger. Wood is a solid athlete that competes every snap, can be dominant in the running game, and is very intelligent as a pivot. Plus, he has a ton of experience. He'd fit in well in Buffalo.
2. Chase Coffman, TE, Missouri
6'6", 245 pounds... scored 30 career TD
- Set aside the gaudy numbers, because Coffman won't reproduce those in the pros. Coffman is a tall target that can stretch defense vertically, and is just good enough athletically to make defenders sweat. Why Coffman over other solid early-round prospects? Nobody has better hands in this draft at any position.
3. Antoine Caldwell, C, Alabama
6'3", 292 pounds... four-year starter in SEC
- Hey, look - another center prospect I like better than Oregon's Unger. Caldwell is listed at 292, but he'll spend the off-season bulking up. When he weighs in at the Combine in the 305-310 range, his stock will rise dramatically. He's a fierce competitor with a lot of experience in college's toughest conference, and his skills most readily fit what the Bills like to do offensively.
4. Cody Brown, DE, Connecticut
6'3", 248 pounds... 11 sacks as SR
- Should the Bills miss on a DE in the first round, Brown could end up being a nice consolation prize. He's undersized in both the height and weight categories, but that shouldn't matter. All that matters in Buffalo is finding a guy who can get after the passer, and Brown is exactly that type of player.
5. Rashad Johnson, S, Alabama
6'0", 187 pounds... 11 INT in final two years
- Johnson isn't going to be a guy who develops into a star; he is what he is - a ballhawk with limitations in the tackling and growth categories. I don't care what his limitations are. The Bills severely need a guy who can turn the ball over once or twice during the season, and Johnson is an underrated prospect who can deliver exactly that.
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I was halfway through my list and realized I was almost right on par with you Brian. I had cushing rated higher but thats about it.
If Raji is there at 11 I would LOVE that pick.
Maybe now you'll never slime a guy with a positron collider
How much higher did you have Cushing rated? I’m only curious because I think some of his drawbacks are more serious than the rest of Buffalo’s possible first-round considerations.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 23, 2009 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
I had him at 6 – i think he has very good instincts and plays with passion. but your are right about his drawbacks – so as far as first round considerations I might have to rethink that. he does get injured – the last thing i want is a first round pick who plays only 10 games a year
Maybe now you'll never slime a guy with a positron collider
Center Prospects:
I think you did a great job of listing two guys that don’t get talked about much. The center position is pretty stacked in the draft. Names like Wood, Caldwell, Cecil Newton and even A.Q. Shipley are all good center prospects that the Bills could get later and that means they don’t have to reach to get Mack in the first.
Names I like:
Clay Mathews – The guy has great blood lines and you know that his dad gave him a few tips on tackling and his uncle gave him some tips on how to beat an o-lineman. The Bills could do a lot worse then getting him in the second round.
Deon Butler and Derrick Williams, WRs Penn State – Both of these guys are great playmakers. I know the Bills don’t need a rookie WR, but I like both of these guys. Butler is a Roscoe Parrish size WR who is a better receiver.
I like Pettigrew. I know that he isn’t worth the #11 pick. But if he is there in round 2 I would jump on him.
Brian really covered all the guys that I like, other then these 4.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
I don’t really see Matthews as a fit here. He’s not really a defensive end. I don’t think he’s a good fit in a 4-3 at all. He’d be a wasted pick on any team that runs a 4-3.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 23, 2009 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
And yes, I know that Matthews is a linebacker. I just don’t think he’s a good fit as a linebacker in a 4-3, either. Basically he’d have to play end in a 4-3, and I don’t like him there.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 23, 2009 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
I agree that he wouldn’t make a great end. But I still like him. Maybe he wouldn’t be a great fit here, but he is one of those guys That some team will find a spot for (with our luck probably the Patriots or Dolphins) and he will turn into a stud.
As I said I think the Bills could do worse then him.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
Matthews would work as a 4-3 linebacker in a blitzing scheme, but I’m surprised that you don’t like Matthews, but like Cushing. I think they have pretty similiar strengths and weaknesses.
I think Cushing is a better natural athlete than Matthews. I don’t dislike Matthews, per se, but I’d love him a lot more if we ran a 3-4.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 23, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
That makes sense. So do you like Cushing more in a 3-4 like you do Matthews, you just think Cushing is a first round prospect regardless while Matthews is more of a 2nd/3rd round guy?
I think Cushing is athletic enough to play in any defensive scheme. I don’t think Matthews is.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 24, 2009 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
Those who like Mack
are well aware of Wood, Caldwell and Shipley but that is irrelevant. Mack is mean, strong, and one of the best run blockers I’ve seen coming out of college maybe in my whole life. We don’t care that Caldwell and Wood can be good starters, Mack will be the best at his position in my opinion. They have serious weaknesses and Mack has serious strengths that place so far and above them its ridiculous. Wood gets shoved off blocks and is very slow. Caldwell is a zone blocker and his lack of strength has gotten him in trouble with way too much frequency. Shipley lacks the push at the point of attack to contain any of the tackles in our division, including Jason Ferguson. These guys are predicted to go in the 3rd and 4th round. Well guess what, Melvin Fowler was drafted in the 3rd and Duke Preston was drafted in the 4th. They were good prospects too. Luigs has looked overrated since his Senior Bowl notes, thanks Kurupt, and Unger is obviously far behind Mack. Personally, I’d like to avoid being cute at center, a position which alone caused us losses last year, by drafting a “good center prospect” in the third or fourth round. Mack is the real deal. That is why some of us want to “reach” for Mack. It’ not reaching, its not wanting to bank of another 3rd of 4th round center prospect to work out.
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by poz on Jan 23, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, I don’t think anybody is saying that Mack isn’t the best center prospect out there. We know you’re an advocate of drafting a center, but it’s still a stretch to believe that the Bills will take him at 11. Unless they maneuver around, you should start developing backup plans in your brain. That’s all we’re doing here.
Like I said either elsewhere here or in a different thread, don’t get married to one prospect. You’re bound to be disappointed.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 23, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
heres the thing though
I’m not so sure we can discount the Bills “reaching” for Mack. They sure as heck reached for Whitner and they reached for McGahee. I’m aware that sireric wasn’t saying Mack wasn’t the best center prospect, I’m saying that based on his use of names like Shipley, he seems to be willing to wait until round 3 or 4 for a center (correct me if I’m putting words in your mouth, Eric). And I stand vehemently opposed to that.
Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.
LOL I never said “The Bills won’t draft Mack at 11…”
All I’m saying is be prepared to have to draft another center should it come to that.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 23, 2009 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
We better sign a vet Center who can start for us. I don’t see us taking Mack at 11, but could see us trading back up for him. If that doesn’t happen, I’m not sure we can truly expect any of the other prospects to be definite day 1 starters. I want a backup plan in place before the draft, and hopefully that backup plan isn’t Duke Preston.
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You didn't put words in my mouth
But you did cherry pick some bad players to make your point. Yes Fowler was a 3rd rounder and yes Puke was a 4th rounder, but Matt Birk was a 6th and Olin Kreutz was a 3rd rounder, Jeff Saturday and Sean O’Hara went undrafted. You can find good centerslater in the draft. i get what you are saying about Mack, I’m just saying that just because the Bills don’t get him doesn’t mean that they failed to get a good center if they end up with a guy like Caldwell or Wood.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
true
your right I did use bad players, but I wasn’t cherry picking, I was using the guys on our roster to point out that I don’t think we can afford to draft a center late and hope for a Jeff Saturday because we have seen what happens if you don’t get him, you get Fowler. It would be devastating to wait until the 3rd or 4th round for a center because odds are that means we are going into next season with Preston starting again.
Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.
Actually that is cherry picking…
I wouldn’t mind Mack at all, I just don’t want to get locked in on one guy, espesially a guy that would be a pretty big reach at #11. So if the Bills do miss out on him i want to know who else is a good bet.
Also whats to say that the Bills don’t pull a move like the Colts did last ear and get there hands on multiple centers. We could use a back-up Guard as well.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
in my mock i had em taking two........
although one could be a C or G……
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 23, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
i tell you
I like some skilled players like Percy Harvin and Iglesias of OU. I think the smaller, explosive WR’s have great impact at the next level because defenses love to blitz and getting guys in space is key for offenses to beat those blitzes. Look at DeSean Jackson this year. Santonio Holmes before him, Eddie Royal, etc. The Bills desperately need a playmaker on offense at the TE or WR position and I hope they try to nab one in rounds 1-4 for sure.
I like Chase Coffman, Hakeem Nicks WR UNC, Shawn Nelson South Miss as well.
MARVelous
I figured you’d enjoy the fact that I mentioned Coffman.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 23, 2009 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think Hakeem Nicks
will be anything other than a possession receiver. I guess that’s what we need but that would signal a giving up on Hardy no?
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At WR, I really like Brandon LaFell. He declared too early and will be a steal in 3rd or 2nd round maybe.
by hightower_mc on Jan 23, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
ala Youboty???
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 23, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe,
or maybe ala Brandon Marshall. You never know, LOL
by hightower_mc on Jan 23, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
LaFell changed his mind and withdrew his application. He’ll be at LSU in 2009.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 23, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
No need to apologize, just heard about it over the weekend is all.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 23, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
Overall very accurate.
Wood would be my second ranked C now too. Mike Mayock showed some film of him last night demonstrating his hand punch in pass blocking. I was impressed. He looked like a heavyweight boxer. He repeatedly punched (slammed) his man and the other guy just stopped dead to regroup. Not as quick on his feet as Mack but a fine prospect. Caldwell ranks third as you say. If we wait until the 3rd to take a C we may not get a top tier man. Mack, Unger, Wood and mabye Caldwell will be gone.
My guess with OBD is still 1-DE, 2-C, and 3-TE. If Raji is there at 11 (don’t really think so) and Orakpo and Brown are gone, then the scenario changes to DT, DE, C, TE. Curry at 11, no way.
The great unknown for us is where OBD ranks the need for a TE in the draft. Logically it falls to the 3rd round but who knows especially with the noise they have been making trying to get one predraft. I like most everything about Coffman except his speed. He is good at finding the open seam. Nelson, Cook or Casey would also be a big upgrade for us.
I wish we had the luxury of taking someone other than a lineman early (Petteigrew or Harvin). I also like Clay Mathews. He’s going to be great and I hope it is not with the Pats.
Here’s a curve ball. What if we get a LB before the draft and Curry somehow falls to #11?
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It’s impossible to know what the Bills are thinking on draft day, but one thing we can factually claim is that they most certainly keep their options open. Just a few days prior to last year’s draft (day one), the Bills were known to be considering five players with their top pick: LB Jerod Mayo, LB Keith Rivers, LB Derrick Harvey, WR Devin Thomas and, of course, CB Leodis McKelvin. Only the final two were on the board when they picked, making their decision infinitely easier, but they were serious about their considerations of the previous three, most particularly Mayo, who I’ve heard was the top player on their draft board.
The Bills aren’t a team that go into a draft thinking positions. They think players, and if it fits a position, all the better.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 23, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
And by “LB Derrick Harvey”, I of course mean “DE Derrick Harvey”.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 23, 2009 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Draft players, not positions. Hmmm...where have I heard that before?
The ability to evaluate talent is not just about the players that you pick. If OBD indeed had those group of players targeted at #11 last year, it shows that they are doing something right.
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
I think you might have heard it from me, actually…
… and I’m pretty sure I heard it from some guy in either Tarrant or Denton County, Texas.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 23, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Indeed.
I live in Tarrant County, Texas.
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
I agree with you especially regarding the first three rounds. That’s why I said if Brown and Orakpo are gone and Raji is there at 11, they go Raji because he is rated higher than any other DE. Also why I speculate on their value of a TE. If they rank some TE higher than some DE or C then it will be TE first. I misspoke on using the word need for the TE position instead of value. I should have said where OBD ranks the value for TE in the draft. It’s a balancing act and you’re right that OBD is flexible.
The way I see their draft history is that they favor BPA over need in the first three rounds and favor need after the 3rd round. After the 3rd it’s a crap shoot anyways. This year, with such a deep draft overall, it might be after the 4th.
everything goes better with a BIG MACK
I know for a fact that a prominent member of Buffalo’s scouting department believes that the only tight ends worth taking in the first round are generally Top 10 picks because they’re so rare. So if they have a guy who they think can be special – I’m certain Gresham would have been that, but I can’t verify anything on the other prospects – they won’t hesitate to grab him, even at 11.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 23, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
Definitely agree with a lot of the list...
Another name I want to throw out there is Maualuga. If OBD agrees with a lot of people on this board, Poz can be moved outside to fit him, and the guy is a serious play-maker this team needs.
Also, how about an actual FB in the later rounds. What round do you guys think Tony Fiammetta from Syracuse will fall? It’d be nice to get a FB that can actually open a whole for a change.
Don't forget to pay the troll toll...
I didn’t include Maualuga on this list because I think his coverage skills leave a lot to be desired. He’s a very good player, and I wouldn’t be upset if the Bills were interested in him, but I don’t think he’s a great fit in Buffalo for several reasons.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 23, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
no to Maualuga
he has 3-4 written all over him, IMO. And I still have no reason to believe this staff would take a MLB.
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Fiammetta
will probably be a 6th, 7th, or undrafted prospect.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 23, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
I think Fiammetta and Johnson (LSU) will both go in the late rounds
The bidding for them as UDFAs would be more expensive than just drafting them in the 7th. Both are smashers and many teams are looking for hole openers thanks to the Steelers, Titans, Ravens and Carolina having so much running success this season.
Now if only this gopher could play DE, we would be doing better, I mean, who couldn't play better than the corpse brothers Kelsay and Denney?
Just glancing over this
I think I like the idea of Coffman in the second more than Pettigrew in the first- you can’t teach a guy to have hands that good, and that leaves the first round open for DE/DT.
I agree with sireric on the Butler and Williams assessment- Butler especially is a guy you could probably get in the 5th round or later. Also, I think if we get Mack or another C in the first, I don’t think getting Shipley or another C prospect either in the seventh or as a rookie free agent would be a bad idea either. Depth is good.
Brian, I like the assessment on Project Mayhem- in my completely non-expert opinion..spot on.
John Madden told me 90% of the game was half-mental...
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Jan 23, 2009 12:03 PM EST reply actions
RE: Maybin – As a PSU fan, I can tell you the kid was a thrill to watch. But he has an obvious need for bulk and more experience if he wants to compete at the next level. He’s gonna need 2 or 3 years before he’ll emerge in the NFL.
I think asking for 2 or 3 years is a bit much. I also don’t think it’ll take that long. He’s good enough to hit his stride by the end of his rookie season, then become a serious factor in Year 2.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 23, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
I respectfully disagree Brian. He got by almost entirely on speed this year (granted, it’s pretty incredible speed). But NFL OT’s have seen speed before and will know how to handle it. He needs a few years to develop some moves and learn how to use his hands.
Why does it all of a sudden take years to develop pass-rush moves? We’ve got EIGHT MONTHS until the 2009 season starts…
I agree that Maybin will need a grace period, but the only positions that get 2-3 year grace periods are quarterback and wide receiver. Maybin won’t need that long.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 23, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not saying there’s a 2-3 year grace period on DE’s. I’m saying there’s a 2-3 year grace period on Maybin before he’ll actually be able to consistently produce at the next level. He lacks size and experience. He’s played one year of high level football. He’s gonna need some time.
Haha, and around and around we go!
I realize that you weren’t saying ends need that grace period. I’m saying that because Maybin is an end, he won’t need that grace period, because he’s a top-flight talent at a not-that-complicated position.
Who says that Maybin couldn’t come into Buffalo and be a passing-down pass rush specialist as a rookie? Let Schobel and Denney handle the early downs. That would be impact enough.
I agree with you that Maybin needs time. Really, nobody knows how long he’ll need to “get it” at the NFL level, but I think asking for 2-3 years is way extreme.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 23, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not saying he can’t come in and only play in obvious passing situations. I’m not even saying he won’t make some sort of impact on a team. I’m saying (in my opinion) it’s gonna be 2 or 3 years before people around the NFL start going, “hey, ya know who’s really good? that aaron maybin kid.”
On a somewhat related note (that may or may not squash my argument), Trevor Scott, the 6th round draft pick by Oakland out of UB, had 5 sacks this year. More than anyone on our team. I don’t know if I should be excited as a UB alum or smash my head through drywall as a Bills fan.
Why not both? :)
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 23, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
I see no mention of Kelsay
please tell, please tell!
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I picked up on that too and thought of you Kurupt
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 23, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
Haha what is there to tell that you haven’t already (rightfully) complained about for three years?
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 23, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
I was thinking more along the lines of something you may have heard regarding Kelsay’s 2009 status with the team…..
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Ha, no, I haven’t heard anything about current personnel. Lo siento…
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 23, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
We’re going to have to change your screen name to Superfan90.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Jan 23, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
HAHA.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 23, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
Ohhhh man, funniest comment I think I’ve ever read here. Rec rec rec
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 23, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
And seriously, K, why is Chris Kelsay not your avatar? I like the SU crotch shot and all, but your avatar is a curse. SU’s dropped 2 of 3. The Bills sucked after you made Phil Rivers your avatar. If there’s ANYONE deserving of your avatar, it’s Chris Kelsay. Common sense, man!
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 23, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
Haha, well played
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 23, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
lol rec'd
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 23, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
Nah, that’s just Donte Whitner.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 23, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
Alex Mack by way of trade down or up or straight up at #11
Alex Mack will help improve every phase of this offense and every skill position player will benefit from him at Center for us! I want Alex Mack..
The same argument can be made for a defensive end. See?
“[Insert Brown/Orakpo/Maybin] will help improve every phase of thise defense and every back seven player will benefit from him at defensive end for us! I want [Insert Brown/Orakpo/Maybin].”
Not poking fun, just observing that every argument made has an equally compelling counter-argument. Hence, keep open minds, people.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 23, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Here's OBD's thoughts.....
“Malcolm Jenkins will help improve every phase of the defense, strengthening the secondary and providing strong run support, so every player on D will benefit from his addition.”
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Oh just cut it out Kurupt...
there is virtually no chance they draft Jenkins… unless he falls into the second round and they can get great value.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 23, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
Jeez, that’s the first time I make the DB in round 1 joke and get nailed for it. Ouch….
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Yeah, I’m pretty sure it was Ron cracking that joke all along…
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 23, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry
I guess it was the wrong guy. :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 23, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
and I mean it...
if he’s there in round two take him. We need all the OSU DBs we can get.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 23, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
Well, he’s more likely to go in the top 10 than in round 2. At least we won’t have to put up with that, I hope…..
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That is true.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 23, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
It wasn't me this time...
I just find it mind boggling how much OBD (with different GMs/circle people) likes DBs from Ohio State. I can’t think of anything like it in the NFL….
IMHO, what’s holding the offense back is the lack of an intelligent offensive coordinator who knows how to put his offensive weapons in a position to succeed and can attack a defense’s weaknesses with playcalling that is not 98% predictable. If one of those is still around at pick #11, we should grab him.
Seriously though, while center is an obvious need, I don’t think we have any idea how good or bad our offense is until we see it run by a competant OC.
On the defensive side of the ball, it’s clear we lack actual, quantifiable, tangible talent (ya know, the stuff that doesn’t include words like "leader, high motor, character, or overachiever). Going DE or DT in the first round would actually place some talent in our front four.
Just like we drafted 3 CBs last year ...
I would hope that we’d do something similar with defensive line players (DT or DE or pass rushing LB) this year. There needs to be some serious competition in camp with some young guys at those positions who can push the “stiffs” like Kelsay and Denney and even Shoebel who have had ZERO players behind them pushing at their starting jobs at all for a couple years. It also removes the need for a Copeland Bryan, because we can potentially find 1-2 good depth guys/ST guys who can potentially contribute more on the field now and down the road.
Great list, Brian. Kudos for putting together a group of players who fit the needs of this team.
Also, I saw Curry’s INT numbers and chuckled b/c he probably got most of those against UNC ;-)
Ok my top five
Regardless of whether or not these players will be there, this is my top ten list with the first pick.
1. Alex Mack – He is known to play with a mean streak, to bully the opposition, and to never quit on any blocking assignments. That attitude will mesh well with Marshawn Lynch’s never say die running style and will take our team a significant step closer to establishing a smash mouth offense. Following the Senior Bowl notes it has become more clear than ever that Mack is a rare, rare talent. I find it too hard to pass on a guy who I think will be the best at his position for well over a decade. What I like most about Mack is how well he takes angles on defenders and how he becomes a driving force that shoves defenders back. That’d be a nice change from what we have now, which is essentially the opposite.
2. Brian Orakpo – I can officially start to get excited now. Todd McShay is saying that because he skipped on the Senior Bowl, teams will let him drop out of the top 10. That is great news for us! Orakpo can bench 500+ and squat 600+ which means he can overpower defenders in addition to his quick burst off the line and finesse repertoire. Not only that, he is a known hustle player and was a leader on his defense. Bills character material and a playmaker? I didn’t think the two went together.
3. B.J. Raji – I don’t have to say much, dominating run stuffer, pass rusher, and with his explosive driving abilities is the defensive version of Alex Mack. I still think Kyle Williams will keep getting better but it would be too hard to pass on a guy who can play next to Stroud and then eventually replace him. He won’t make it to #11 though.
4. Aaron Curry – To me, this is the kind of player that it is better if he is not there. His talent is too high that if he’s there you sort of have to take him which can often lead to making the wrong decision at the wrong time. We need so much help at other positions, and there will be great linebackers in the 2nd round, that taking Curry could actually hurt us at DE, C, and TE big time. I think it could be for the best that this nasty linebacker will be gone before #11.
5. Everette Brown – I think he will make a fine Tampon 2 defensive end. In fact, I think all the talk of him as a 3-4 outside linebacker takes away from the fact that he is a freak of a pass rusher down on the line. He had 20.5 tackles for a loss in 2008. Thats impressive. The guy clearly knows how to shed blocks.
Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.
only did five
because after that I really don’t have much of an order between Maualuga, Pettigrew, Jerry, and Macklin
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Following the Senior Bowl notes it has become more clear than ever that Mack is a rare, rare talent.
Am I reading different notes than you? I like what I’m hearing, but “rare, rare talent” isn’t the vibe I’m getting. I’m getting the “best center in the draft” vibe. How rare is it that a guy works hard and finishes his blocks?
You make a very sound point about Mack’s run-blocking tendencies meshing well with Lynch’s rushing tendencies, though. Hadn’t thought of that.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 23, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
If we got Mack, we could see plays next year where Lynch and Mack are 15 yards down field running people over. That would be fun to watch.
Oh and Derrick Dockery would be 13 yards back up field with his hands on his hips.
That would, indeed, be fun to watch.
But so would watching a shiny new defensive end sack/strip Chad Pennington to end our two-game slide to the Dolphins. Or watching B.J. Raji punch Sammy Morris in the mouth for his hit on Donte in the season finale. Or seeing Aaron Curry pick off a Favre duck and return it to the house. Or…
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As long as he’s crying, I’d be down with that.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 23, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
The way I see it is that BJ Raji is looking more and more like a rare, rare talent himself at the senior bowl. You take that in combination with the fact that Alex Mack seems to be the only guy who has played him well and held him in check even a little bit and I think he too is a rare, rare talent.
From the notes:
I have maintained all along that Cal C Alex Mack is the #1 player at his position and a fringe first round value. So far this week he hasn’t done anything to change my opinion. About the only guy who has been able to make any time of impact against Mack is B.J. Raji and that is nothing to be ashamed of.
Mack was beaten a few times by Raji during the team period, but Raji has not been slowed down much at all this week and Mack returned the favor in one-on-one drills, doing a nice job of dropping his hips and anchoring against 334-pound Raji.
If he is the only lineman capable of trading blows with Raji he is a rare, rare talent.
All I want this off-season is Lynch running behind a punishing fullback and Alex Mack. The rest you all can have all the other off-season moves you want! Just give me that!
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Well, I don’t consider Raji a “rare, rare talent”, either. He’s going to be a good football player if and only if he finds a head coach that can keep his head out of the clouds.
As I said, the fact that Mack is holding up well against him is encouraging, but a couple of practices against a fellow rookie shouldn’t be the capstone on an opinion, in my book…
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 23, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
I keep hearing how sloppy Raji looks, not with his play, but with his body. That’s something that obviously can be improved, but it’s also something that should be a concern. I don’t think he’s a rare, rare talent either, or else we’d be discussing him as a top 3 pick, in all likelihood. Top DT in the draft, yes! Rare, every few years type of player? Nah….
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Yeah, Raji is most definitely a guy that has made it to this point on pure athletic talent. He needs a lot of refinement.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 23, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
i like how I've got you all saying
“rare, rare talent”. Is there a difference between a rare talent and a rare, rare talent? haha. I’m not sure you guys, from what I hear Raji is slowly making his way into the top 5. McShay has even gone so far as to say that Raji could move up there definitively by draft time
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He could. You’re right. But is every Top 10 NFL Draft pick a “rare, rare talent”? No. Just ask Donte Whitner and Mike Williams. (Sorry, Donte… you’ve sucked, but that was low. My bad.)
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 23, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
Depends on how pink they are in the center
Ewww nevermind
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HAHAHAHAHAHA
OOOOOOHHHHH MANNNNN K, that is so gross.
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What up with you stealing Joe P’s thunder lately? :)
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I think you're funny Joe.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 25, 2009 9:03 AM EST up reply actions
Funny HAHA?
or
Funny wierd?
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
“It’s funny, you know. It’s a good story, it’s funny, you’re a funny guy.”
‘What do you mean? You mean the way I talk? what?’
“It’s just, you know. You’re just funny, it’s… funny, the way you tell the story and everything.”
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I don't mind sharing
I’m a giver……I love to give!!!!
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Raji has the biggest butt on a football player I have ever seen. Physically he is sloppy. A super bull rusher but not as good side to side. Here’s the ESPN scoop:
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=24657&draftyear=2009&action=login&appRedirect=http3a2f2finsider.espn.go.com2fnfldraft2fdraft2ftracker2fplayer3fid3d2465726draftyear%3d2009
everything goes better with a BIG MACK
Drafting Mack would be the equivalent of throwing our struggling offense a life preserver.
How about Mack in round 1 and Larry English in round 2. After all the senior bowl hype dies down hes bound to slide right back into the second. I mean, he was originally projected as a 4th rounder!
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well, I really don’t think Orakpo is better than Brown. I think Brown has more skills and better technics than Orakpo who has more physical tools so far.
by hightower_mc on Jan 23, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
thats what I like about Orakpo
as you said he has more physical tools and is a hustle player, a hard worker, and a gym rat. That is the kind of guy that can be coached very quickly into developing sound technique and becoming a monster. With his absence at the senior bowl and some saying he could drop out of the top ten I’m going to go ahead and say right now that I think the greatest odds like with the Bills taking Orakpo at #11. Let’s just hope we find a great D-Line coach by then
Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.
Re: D-Line coach – I’m pulling for Sal Sunseri, who just bolted Carolina.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 23, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
good call
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 23, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, except for the fact that I missed Sunseri agreeing to be Nick Saban’s linebackers coach in Alabama. Moving on…
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 23, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
bummer
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 23, 2009 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
Peria Jerry????
No thank you. Please, no more undersized DT’s. I can’t stand them, no matter how talented they are.
1. Brown
2. Orakpo
3. Curry
4. Raji
5. Mack
6. M.Johnson
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Yes, Peria Jerry. He may be “undersized”, but he’s strong enough at the point of attack to make up for it. If he adds even 5-8 pounds, he’s got “Poor man’s Marcus Stroud” written all over him.
Michael Johnson is bombing down boards pretty quickly. I don’t like listing guys that are hype machines.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 23, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
If he adds even 5-8 pounds, he’s got "Poor man’s Marcus Stroud" written all over him.
How so? He’s 6’1", Stroud is what, 6’5/6"?? I don’t see them being comparable…..Maybe in production, but I’d imagine Jerry’s game would still be quickness and being active, while Stroud’s game is built on strength and overpowering guys….
Yeah, I just threw in Johnson because he’s a DE. I’d put Maybin there, but until I see him weigh over 250, I don’t know if I could believe in him either. I really don’t like any other players than the first 5 for our 1st round pick…..
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Man, I’m telling y’all, Maybin is a special prospect. Seriously, don’t even think about the weight thing. Dude is polished enough and strong enough in his core that he was one of PSU’s better run defenders last year, too. I really think he’ll eventually be a dominant every-down end in the league, and until he gets there, he should be a terror off the edge, especially if he develops another pass rush move or two by the regular season.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 23, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
OK
works for me. I haven’t seen anything on him. I’ve looked for videos to no avail. But if he is 235 lbs and struggles to add the weight, I’d find it hard to take him at #11. But if he is an impact pass rusher, sign me up, regardless of weight.
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The only guy imma mention is Alex Fletcher.....C/G from Stanford....
probably going anywhere from round 3-5……….
bio @
He’s gonna make someone a solid starter soon……..I can only hope its for Buffalo…..
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 23, 2009 2:36 PM EST reply actions
Haha, Stanford.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 23, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
He's the only guy on the team I feel is draftable........
but next year…..there are gonna be some nice defensive guys coming out………….
Plus I could mention all the other top guys like everyone else….but what fun is that?
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 23, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
So presumably Trent took snaps from this guy back in the day?
That would be funny. Weird funny. Not LOL funny.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 23, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
He did play some center while Trent was there.......then moved back to guard after trent left
then moved back to center his senior year……..
played about 60% of his career at center and about 40% guard…..
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 23, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
I meant by the bills........
sorry for the confusion….
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 23, 2009 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
What is it with all the good DE’s skipping out on these post season bowl games? I don’t get it. Injury concerns or no. It is the only line position with so many no shows. The only DE playing worth watching will be Matt Shaughnessey in the East West Shrine Game. I was looking forward to watching the good DE’s.
everything goes better with a BIG MACK
becaue they know
that DEs get drafted high regardless
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It's simple really:
The Bills need 3 1st round picks so they can grab Raji, Mack, and either Orakpo or Brown. That’s not so hard now, is it?! I have to be honest, I would NOT want to be the ones making this decision if all of these players are available come time to pick.
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Haha. Nice “Kool-Aid Man” avatar.
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I pilfered him from here. ;-) It’s beyond insane as a tiled wallpaper.
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haha!
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 23, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
Free Agency
I love the excitement for the draft, but none of this matters until after free agency. so who do ya got coming to buffalo?
Hmmm, late round cannon fodder
Most of these guys are 4th Round or later
TE- Jared Bronson, (6-4/255), Central Washington NFL Draft Scout reports state that he should run around a 4.67 40 time, they think he is a late round, but have him as the 12th best TE in the draft, fast with good hands. FFToolbox.com among the positives is this- Has great size/speed combination. Is fast for a TE (4.74) of his size. Very athletic player who has big play potential. Will make incredible catches. A good blocker.
DT- Sammie Lee Hill (6-4/328), Stillman (Ala.)
He’s a massive nose tackle prospect who has good athleticism and quickness for his size. Hill has the body control to move laterally as well as hold the point of attack against the run. He’s a developing pass rusher who has the physical attributes to become an every-down lineman. Pretty much every site I check reports the same thing, he takes up space, can move up field, and will be around late in the draft, if the Bills take him it would make up for missing on Red Bryant.
DE Lawrence Sidbury (6-3/265), Richmond
DT Louis Ellis (6-2/312), Shaw (N.C.).
C Cecil Newton (6-4/316), Tennessee State
LB Jason Williams (6-1/236), Western Illinois
Sorry I would report more but I gotta get busy at work, will try to fill in the info later
Now if only this gopher could play DE, we would be doing better, I mean, who couldn't play better than the corpse brothers Kelsay and Denney?
It's crazy...
that the combine will determine so much of these players’ stock. For instance, if Everett Brown just measures in at 6’2" and 242 lbs he will probably fall to the late 1st- early 2nd round. All of that said, I kind of have two lists…. one that is the best players for Buffalo and the other is the best players period.
Buffalo
1a. Everett Brown – watching him he is far and away the best pass rusher of the major DE prospects. He is a spitting image of Dwight Freeney in his style. He has a lightning quick spin move, uses his arms well to keep linemen off of him, and has the all-important ability to accelerate through a shoulder dip to turn the corner. He has all the potential in the world and should really gain strength once in the NFL.
1b. Brian Orakpo – Not quite as quick or fast as Everett Brown, but more powerful. Unfortunately, it seems Orakpo has maxed himself out physically. He was 210 lbs when he arrived at Texas, I don’t see him adding much more or strength at the next level without roids. He’s a step below Brown in my eyes because Brown has the opportunity to get bigger and stronger and MUCH better than he already is, it seems the ceiling is just lower on Orakpo.
3a. Aaron Curry – Will likely be gone, but is in a deadlock with Maualuga in my eyes. Is more complete and a safer pick… but after watching him, his ability to play the run, pass, and blitz equally well is what gives him the edge.
3b. Rey Maualuga – Just a playmaker that doesn’t come along too often. He’s a serial killer playing MLB and at 6’3" 260 lbs (he may check in lighter) he would bring the tough, physical, nasty to our defense that Brian is always talking about. He’s not as good as Curry in coverage, but that doesn’t mean he’s not good in coverage. He makes up for it by making HUGE plays, something that no one on Buffalo’s D does regularly.
5. Bj Raji – A guy that cannot be blocked one-on-one, would improve any defense when he comes into his own in the NFL. The type of player that makes everyone around him better by eating up blockers and disrupting plays.
6. William Moore – Has the chance to be great because he has the size to be excellent in the box, and completes the position with great ball skills. He’s also a great blitzer. Then we would have a true strong safety and Whitner could stay out of the box and make more plays on the ball. He reminds of Brian Dawkins and hits a lot like Adrian Wilson.
7a. Percy Harvin – Mercy Percy. Bills fans would probably have a heart attack if this was our 1st round selection, but that’s only because people haven’t truly seen what Percy Harvin does for an offense, which is pretty much everything. Has great hands and ran a lot of underneath routes. There is not a better player in this draft after the catch. Is a threat to score EVERY time he touches the ball, which means Buffalo would actually have a player to end-around and reverse to. He could become one of the best slot receivers in the game (no offense Josh Reed).
7b. Jeremy Maclin – Could project to an outside or slot position. Another excellent guy after the catch, is just a step below Percy Harvin in every category: ball skills, route running, and carrying the football. There is no TE on this list because there aren’t any worthy of a top 15 grade with Gresham staying in school.
9. Duke Robinson – Road-grater comes to mind when watching him. He helped pave the way for two 1,000 yard backs. The Big 12 defenses aren’t much to write home about, but Robinson has no reason not to be a dominant run-blocker in the NFL… a player Buffalo’s interior line desperately needs.
10. Alex Mack – Another excellent interior lineman. People tend to pigeon-hole him at center but I believe he has the versatility to play guard as well. He seems to be like a bigger less agile version of Nick Mangold.
Top 10 Talents
1. Percy Harvin
2. Everett Brown
3. Andre Smith
4. Rey Maualuga
5. Knowshon Moreno
6. Brian Orakpo
7. Aaron Curry
8. BJ Raji
9. William Moore
10. Jeremy Maclin
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Really ???
Are you think Harvin is #1 talent in this draft??
Well I respect you oppinion, that’s really good post, but it’s too much for me. Don’t get me wrong, I liked the guy in College, but the FO must be really desperate to pick with 11 pick a slot WR if we don’t have a # 2 WR defined yet.
About Maualuga, in my opinion he has a 3-4 write in his face. I don’t see him a good fit for a 4-3 defense. Maybe i’m one of few who thinks this way.
I saw everybody really excited about draft. I’m controling myself waiting the FA. I really want to see how FO wants to win or still being an average team.
by hightower_mc on Jan 23, 2009 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
Harvin
is what they call a gamebreaker, and if Ted Ginn can go in the top 10 for crying out loud…. As for Maualuga, why people say he doesn’t fit in a 4-3 D is kind of weird to me, considering he has made a name for himself playing in a 4-3 for the past 4 years.
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by ForeignArrow on Jan 23, 2009 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
It’s not that Maualuga is a bad fit in a 4-3, its that he fits in a 3-4 much better. He is a good 4-3 MLB and a superstar 3-4 MLB. I think he is a legit top 10 prospect for 3-4 defenses, but I wouldn’t touch him in the top 20 picks if I were the Bills or any other 4-3 team other than Philly. He just isn’t athletic enough when it comes to change or direction, flipping his hips and stuff like that. I think the fantastic defense that he played in made him look better than he really is and no one really noticed when he took bad angles, overpursued or other things.
yeah ! That’s what I think about Maualuga
by hightower_mc on Jan 24, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
Was Harvin your #1 pick at #11?
Assuming all of them were on the board, rank them on in the order you would take them.
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No
if I’m the Bills WRs are getting a lower overall grade because of need. But, if there were no talented players that filled a need, then yeah, Harvin’s the pick.
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by ForeignArrow on Jan 24, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
William Moore?
Isn’t he a 2nd round pick?
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No
he’s the best safety in the draft, and a much better prospect than Whitner was… in my opinion.
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by ForeignArrow on Jan 24, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
Everything I've read on Moore
has said how stiff he is, with limited ball skills. He was a 1st round pick, now it’s not looking good for him….
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less
reading, more watching… and i couldnt find a single scouting report that said that
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by ForeignArrow on Jan 24, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Maybin
Brian, I know you love this kid, but he is 234lbs, he cant play DE at that weight. He is perfect for OLB in a 3-4.
I discussed his weight above. He plays bigger because he’s got a strong core and a low center of gravity. He’s not ready to hold up as an every-down end yet, but while he bulks up and improves his technique, he can be a pass-rush specialist. We have some guys who can play early downs at end. I don’t see what the big deal is about drafting a guy who needs a little polish… isn’t that what McKelvin was?
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 24, 2009 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
The weight is an interesting issue. Penn St. lists him at 236 which means that this guy was still 236 this fall. If he played at 240 or less then the issue isn’t whether or not he can add weight or hold up against the run. The problem is, will he still possess that quickness that made him the elite pass rusher and potential top 10 pick if he gains 20 pounds? When I say that a player is too small, I mostly mean will they still be the same guy when they bulk up to NFL size, or will they have the quickness of all the 265 pound players you passed over. That is why the combine is so important. We need to know what Maybin weighs going into the draft, not what he played at, but what he weighs now. And then we need to see how quick he is in the drills and if any added weight has led to him losing a step.
Good post kaisertown, but I would want to know both weights
I want to know as much as info as possible about the player when he was playing and at the combine. Height, weight, BMI, skin fold %, 40 times, bench and squat, % fast vs slow twitch muscles, color blind?, eats raw meat?, pisses napalm?
The combine is a piece of the puzzle, but some of the best value can be found with guys who slide because of average combine numbers. Quick in drills does not always mean quick on game day.
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That is all very very true. Whether or not Maybin’s times are important will depend on what he weighs in at. If he weighs in around 245, then we know he has that explosion and I won’t worry about his combine times as much as I will worry about whether he can maintain the speed as he gains weight. If he has gained some weight already and comes in above 250, then I will need to see he still has that speed via combine numbers or I can only assume that he played light at Penn St. and some of his speed was because of that and he has lost some of that quickness from bulking up.

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