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YouTube Saturday: Four Top Draft Prospects

In an effort to diversify the content that appears here at Buffalo Rumblings, as well as to lighten my weekend workload, we're unveiling a new feature today called "YouTube Saturday".  YTS is pretty straightforward.  Every Saturday, our featured post will revolve around YouTube awesomeness of the week.  It doesn't even need to be on-topic; we can get into anything we want here, folks.  It's the off-season.  Let's have fun with it.

For its inaugural edition, however, we'll keep things football-related with some highlight clips from four of this community's favorite draft prospects: California C Alex Mack, Florida State DE Everette Brown, Texas DE Brian Orakpo and Boston College DT B.J. Raji (the final three are after the jump).  Enjoy!


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How sad is it that I was happy watching Mack play

Not because we might draft him, but simply for the fact that he can play the C position more than just compentanly, but well?

I like how Brown has the recognition skills to read the non-handoff OR handoff to the back, though he could make a play on him if need be, then just runs down the QB if its a fake. He just tosses 77 around in the VT game, like that power. He shows good awareness in how to setup his opponent before either using his strength or speed to beat them, means he watches film, good sign. Shows a good jump off the line of scrimmage, has that borderline offsides thing going on all good rushers have.

Orako is a physical beast, but he also scares the crap outta me in that he might get busted in the NFL for HGH. Otherwise, like what little ESPN shows of his speed on the field, didn’t see any bullrushing moves but that was mostly a body-building episode there.

Raji, what is there to say? Any big man who can carry the G, shrug off the FB and then kill the RB on the same play? Holy crap! I like what I’m seeing about him on the web, all the reports show him to be football smart and just unstoppable when he gets moving.

Needless to say, any of these 4 at #11 would make me a happy Bills fan come the draft. For fun I wandered over to ESPN and used my insider account to look at what they say on Mack and Raji post Senior Bowl week, here are the grades for them both (ESPN grades on a 5 point scale, 1 the best, 5 the worst):
Raji
93 overall
Production
Grade- 2
Raji appeared in 11 games during his true freshman season in 2004 finishing with 13 total tackles, six unassisted tackles and 1.5 tackles-for-loss. He started five of the 11 games he appeared in during the 2005 season finishing with 27 total tackles, 15 unassisted tackles, 6.5 tackles-for-loss, 1.5 sacks and one pass breakup. Raji started six of the 12 games he appeared in during the 2006 season finishing with 23 total tackles, 16 unassisted tackles, 8.5 tackles-for-loss, three sacks, three pass breakups and one forced fumble. In 2007, Boston College red-shirted him because of academic issues
Height-Weight-Speed
Grade- 2
Height is decent but he’s thickly built. Despite shedding some weight heading into the 2007 season, Raji is still bigger than most DT’s. Also possesses better-than-average speed for his size
Durability
Grade- 3
Raji missed 2008 spring practices while rehabbing from shoulder surgery
Character
Grade- 4
Ejected from the 2006 Central Michigan game and suspended for the first half of the Clemson game the following week after throwing a punch at a Central Michigan player. Academic issues and inability to stay eligible raise concerns about work ethic
Defensive Tackle specific Traits
Agility/Quickness
Grade- 2
While lacks elite initial burst and lateral mobility, is still quick and athletic for size.
Strength/Toughness
Grade- 3
Hasn’t shown elite lower body strength and has problems anchoring against double teams. Appears to wear down late in games and effort is inconsistent when he starts to tire
Instincts
Grade- 2
Keeps head up and locates ball quickly
Pass Rusher
Grade- 3
Takes the shortest path to the quarterback, flashes the ability to collapse the pocket and is a relentless pass rusher. Though isn’t very tall, generally gets hands up when isn’t going to get to the quarterback and can tip passes at the line of scrimmage. Flashes an effective spin move but relies on power too much and needs to develop more pass rush moves
Run Stopper
Grade- 2
Inconsistent in this area and needs to work on consistently getting under blockers’ pads but can hold ground at the point of attack when stays low to the ground. Doesn’t use hands well and takes too long to shed block when gets reached. Anticipates snap count and flashes the ability to makes plays behind the line of scrimmage. Takes adequate angles to the ball and flashes the ability to make plays in pursuit.

Mack
85 Overall (Behind Unger who ESPN likes better)
Production
Grade- 2
2004: Cal red-shirted Mack in 2004. 2005: Appeared in a back-up role seeing reps mostly in a mop up role. 2006-07: Mack started all 26 games
Height-Weight-Speed
Grade- 1
Possesses outstanding size and shows above-average speed for the position
Durability
Grade- 1
Expected to make his 27th consecutive start when the 2008 season opens
Character
Grade- 0
N/A
Offensive Center specific Traits
Strength/Toughness
Grade- 2
Displays a strong punch and can jolt defenders. Has a mean streak and works from the snap until the whistle on every play. Shows above-average lower body strength.
Agility
Grade- 2 Moves well in open space and can get out on the edge on screens. Able to get to second level and cut off linebackers. Shows above-average body control and can adjust to moving targets downfield
Awareness
Grade- 1
Keeps head on a swivel and is able to recognize/adjust to line stunts as well as blitzes quickly
Pass Protection
Grade- 2
Gets hands inside defenders’ frames, locks on with hands and locks out arms once in position. Sinks hips and can recover when bull rushers are able to get an initial push. At times, gets overaggressive and can get beat by effective double moves on occasion
Run Blocking
Grade- 2
Shows outstanding quickness snapping the ball and taking first step simultaneously. Stays low and plays with leverage allowing him to root defenders off the ball. Does not show elite balance and seen on the ground at times.

Now if only this gopher could play DE, we would be doing better, I mean, who couldn't play better than the corpse brothers Kelsay and Denney?

by WABillsfan on Jan 24, 2009 7:59 AM EST reply actions  

Great idea, Brian

I enjoyed watching these clips and look forward to more of them.

3 of these 4 excite me. The one that scares me is Orapko.

The Bills should steer clear of any prospects from Texas. Not only does Mike Williams still leave a bad taste in my mouth, but there have been other busts coming out of Mack Brown’s house this decade.

If Raji is there at #11, I can’t see us passing on him. Alongside Stroud, I have to believe he’s make our DEs and pass rush better.

I've been feeling Buffalo ill.

by ChipShot on Jan 24, 2009 9:57 AM EST reply actions  

Thank you so much for posting these!

This made working on a saturday some what bearable. All of these guys would be a great pick at # 11. I know a lot of the Texas players are coddled and aren’t as tough as what they should be but Orakapo seems like a beast and Brown def seems like he is the whole package IMO. Mack also looked very good but I have said this before he is a big reach at # 11. Raji looks like the kind of space eater that along with Stroud could allow the rest of the front seven to do more. Allow the LB’s to make more tackles the DE’s do not get double teamed it would be a huge pickup if he is there. As far as his character goes Boston College is not a football factory and it is not an eay place to play football because they expect you to go to class and play football unlike a lot of other programs. I don’t think it is as much character as this kid probably did not want to go to school. There have been a ton of kids that didn’t like college that have been huge in the NFL and I think he would be one of them. So if he is there at 11 take him of the board!!!

A top tier defensive end can make the entire defense better!!!

by kenner70 on Jan 24, 2009 10:19 AM EST reply actions  

Orakpo reminds me of Bruce Smith

but with a more apparent chip on his shoulder. How do you pass this guy up?

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 24, 2009 10:39 AM EST reply actions  

He doesn’t look like the typical coddled Texas player either. He is my top choice right now.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Jan 24, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

He does look great if I had my pick it would be Raji or Orakpo.

A top tier defensive end can make the entire defense better!!!

by kenner70 on Jan 24, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I love

Orakpo. I think we need a beast with brute strength somewhere in the front 7.

But they all look wonderful. I guess by the nature of the position, Mack’s video was the least sexy but he certainly rocks and would be a worthwhile investment.

by Ono on Jan 24, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I have to say, after watching Raji and digging into his stats a little more, I’d be comfortbale with the Bills picking him. I’d still prefer a DE, though, because that position is much more desperate for some talent, but a Raji-Stroud combination would be tough to beat.

by rexob on Jan 24, 2009 11:13 AM EST reply actions  

The other thing to consider is Strouds age and health. That was a little bit of a concern last year. Yes he was healthy all year and played pretty well, but those same concerns are still there. Plus if I’m not mistaken he only has one or two years left on his contract. Bringing in a stud DT now would be a very smart move IMO.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Jan 24, 2009 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

That logic would have us taking Jenkins if he’s on the board as McGee is on the wrong side of 30, not under contract for much longer (2 years?) and has had health issues. C, DE, LB and TE are immediate and pressing needs. DT, like CB, is neither immediate nor pressing. Buffalo could of course use a talent infusion at DT, but that can be said of most positions.

by Ron From NM on Jan 24, 2009 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

CB unlike DT however had an influx of youth last year, in McKelvin and Corner to go along with Youboty. There is solid young depth at corner that just isn’t there at DT.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Jan 24, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I like all four at #11

Like WABillsfan I worry a little about Orakpo, plus I wish I would have seen more highlights of him dominating good LTs

I like Raji a lot, I watched every practice on NFL Network and this guy is amazing. I do worry a little about his character and his consistency, he seems to take plays off.

I must admit that Brown does look pretty awesome. I was particularly impressed by his ability to stop the run, often a point of weakness for pure speed pass rushers. I also realize that these are highlight clips that don’t show the bad stuff so..? My only concern about Brown is is frame & size. He seems more like a rushing OLB than a pure 4-3 DE, not sure how a guy that size could handle going up against 300+ lb tackles play in play out..

Alex Mack is still one of my favorites. I remain convinced that he will be an immediate starter in the league and he could cement our line into one of the most physical run blocking lines in the league, which would inevitably improve our 3rd & short problems as well as our redzone production issues.

Next major step: FA
FA will determine everything. I would love to see the Bills go after Suggs but as many of you point out that’s probably a pipe dream. More probably is the Bills pursuing a guy like Birk who looks under appreciated in Minny. If that happens then I’d be fine with either one of the three D-Linemen above but I’d have a preference for Raji. My though process is that he is clearly the top DT in the draft, with perfect size/speed measuments. He could be a monster next to Stroud and together they could collapse the pocket on every play. We need to bring in a guy at DT at some point because Stroud won’t be around foreever and Raji is a better athlete than the two others in my opinion. In the Senior Bowl he’s been incredible, the only guy that eventually stopped him was Mack. Everyone else looked like rag dolls being pushed aside! The other reason I like Raji over the other two, is that with a monster front two, a guy like Ellis could be let loose without having to worry about the run so much. The draft is also a bit deeper at DE than DT, guys like Matt Shaughnessy could be available in later rounds.

Your ability to control the LOS is directly linked to your ability to win football games!
FEED the BEAST!
Section 336 Row 13

by keysh67 on Jan 24, 2009 11:51 AM EST reply actions  

Birk underappreciated?

Isn’t he coming out of a big 3-5 year contract? I’d be stunned if Minny let him walk. After all, with their running game clicking why wouldn’t they want to keep their linemen?

by Ron From NM on Jan 24, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Either he wants too much money or there is something under the covers that we don't know about but..

Minny is in not rush to show him any love. Someone posted a great article on this subject last week and I can’t find it but it was quite clear that Minny will let Birk test free agency and by the comments of Childress, it wouldn’t surprise me at all to see Birk walk away from Minny. It’s very difficult to understand so either he wants too much money or there is something under the covers that we don’t know about but..

Your ability to control the LOS is directly linked to your ability to win football games!
FEED the BEAST!
Section 336 Row 13

by keysh67 on Jan 24, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe they have a young backup they are anxious to get in there?

Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.

by poz on Jan 24, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it was an 8 year contract.

by rexob on Jan 24, 2009 11:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Something about Orakpo irritates me.

I just see Gholston Part II. Luckily for me I have a feeling that he’s going to be this year’s workout warrior. He’s definitely going to put up some obscene numbers at the combine and jump 3-5 places in the draft.

by twoeightnine on Jan 24, 2009 1:00 PM EST reply actions  

Me too man

He will have an amazing combine. His stock will rise like a rocket. An at pros he will find a lot of OL as strong as him. He doesn’t have all the tools an FB IQ and will struggle at the beggining.
I’m not saying he will be a burst, but he won’t be as good as some guys thinks.
That’s the reason I think Brown maybe will be the best DE in this class.

by hightower_mc on Jan 24, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

A completely unfair comparison

Whenever I watch at DE, I can’t help but compare them to Bruce Smith. One of the most amazing things about Smith was his balance…..his ability to keep his footing while leaning to turn the corner on a LT. I swear…..the man could run full speed while leaning at a 45 degree angle!!!! Do any of you see even a glimmer of that ability in Brown or Orapka? I just don’t see it. I see guys who use their speed to get around LTs or their power to bull rush or hold the point of attack. These are good things. But, are these guys special? Or, are they just the best of this years’ DEs who will be average in the NFL? There is no doubt in my mind that Mack and Raji will be special at their position.

"The Bills have no playoff aspirations"

by Joe P. on Jan 24, 2009 1:14 PM EST reply actions  

a guy isn't Bruce Smith

so they aren’t special?

~K
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by Kurupt on Jan 24, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

that is why it is unfair

I don’t expect them to look like Bruce right now, just show flashes of that kind of potential. The point is, if we are going to take a DE at #11, do we want him to be the DE equivalent of Whitner?

"The Bills have no playoff aspirations"

by Joe P. on Jan 24, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Who says he’d be the DE Whitner? Some of those guys look great rushing the passer.

~K
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by Kurupt on Jan 24, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

IMO

They are more Whitner than Smith. Whitner looked like the best saftey (and arguably was) in that draft class. It has not made him a better than average one in the NFL.

"The Bills have no playoff aspirations"

by Joe P. on Jan 24, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Bruce Smith was a number one overall pick and one of the best players in the history of the league at any position. Every player in this draft is probably more Whitner than Smith.

by kaisertown on Jan 24, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

NO above average players at any position in this draft class?????

They don’t have to be Bruce. I would settle for Jared Allen, who was a fourth round pick

"There is a difference between knowing the path and walking the path"

by Joe P. on Jan 24, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

If they don’t have to be Bruce, then why even mention him?

Jared Allen went to Idaho St. and that is the only reason he was still available in the 4th round. There isn’t a Jared Allen in this draft class.

You said there was nobody who reminded you of Bruce Smith and all I was saying is that every player in this draft should remind you more of Whitner then of one of the all time greats.

So your argument is that all the DEs look average to you? I guess we will just have to disagree on that.

by kaisertown on Jan 24, 2009 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Why???? Because Bruce is the gold standard, and

you seldom find what you are not looking for. In this case, if we are going to pass on an almost lock to be a great DT in Raji or a great Center in Mack, I want it to be for a great DE, not an average one. Reminds me of Smith does not mean carbon copy. I don’t expect this crop of DEs to be equal to Smith, but why can’t I compare them in an attempt to find similarities? OK…..forget Smith….Can you honestly say that any of these DEs have talent equal to Mario Williams?

"There is a difference between knowing the path and walking the path"

by Joe P. on Jan 24, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

no argument here buddy

I fully agree that Raji & Mack are my two top options. Raji reminds me of Sapp.

If Raji is available at #11, I’d take him, otherwise I’d go with Mack. I would not be disapointed at all if they took Mack but Raji just looks like he’s going to be something special in the NFL. He sure has great moves for a 323lbs guy. Both Raji & Mack will be impact players for their respective teams. I much prefer that to taking a chance on a potential DE. I sure would be disapointed with a “gholston” type first year bust. I’m not necessarily saying that Gholston is a bust but that he was completely useless to the jets last year and I don’t want to see us burn an 11th pick on a y1 no-show.

Your ability to control the LOS is directly linked to your ability to win football games!
FEED the BEAST!
Section 336 Row 13

by keysh67 on Jan 24, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah..... it is going to take an act of God

for someone to replace them on my draft board.

"There is a difference between knowing the path and walking the path"

by Joe P. on Jan 24, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I seriously don’t understand your argument here. You’re saying that you don’t think any of the DE’s in this draft have the same talent as the greatest DE ever or a #1 pick from a few years ago. Who said they had to be? We’re picking 11th, not 1st. Can’t they just be good pass rushers to be worth taking 11th? Why do they have to be one in a lifetime talents? Because that’s what it seems like you expect a DE to be if they’re worth drafting in the 1st round….

Can you honestly say that Raji or Mack have talent equal to Mario Williams? That’s using the same logic…

I don’t see how you can say a guy like Raji is almost a lock to be a great DT. The dude just looks like a career weight problem. That’s a major risk to be taking on a guy. Mack probably will be a great Center, I don’t think anyone debates that, but it’s still not wise to be taking a C at #11….

~K
"I’m Kurupt with Buffalo Rumblings. I am worth hundreds!"

by Kurupt on Jan 25, 2009 1:20 AM EST up reply actions  

If you want to (or if you need to make a point), you can attack the reasoning behind picking any of these four guys at #11.

Mack – who picks a center that early?

Brown – looks like a 3-4 rush LB to me

Raji – has had issues with staying motivated

Orakpo – went to Texas, must be too soft.

Personally, and this obviously is a personal opinion, I don’t think there are many players that can alter a game like a DE can. The ability to rush the passer increases the possibility for turnovers, helps shut down the run, frees up LB’s, and instills fear into an offense (and more importantly, the opposing QB).

I think Mack’s a special talent. I do. And I think he’s head and shoulders above the rest of the C’s in this draft. But I just don’t believe even a dominant Center turns this offense around. Given what we’ve seen this last season, just having a competant center is an upgrade.

Put me in the Orakpo fan club. I know, he’s from Texas. So he must be soft. But anyone that can put 50lbs of muscle on their frame obviously has something driving them. He isn’t just trying to get by using physical talent, he’s continually pushing himself.

Regardless, I don’t think I would be displeased with any of these picks, but I don’t think any position has the ability to change the outcome of a game quite like a DE can. And from what I’ve seen, I think Orakpo is far better suited for a 4-3 defense than Brown.

Of course, I bow to K’s ultimate wisdom on this. I can only assume he’s been scouting DE’s for about 3 years now (far longer than I have), and I might just throw my vote behind whoever he’s got.

by thatguy34 on Jan 25, 2009 3:13 AM EST up reply actions  

ooooh ouch Ron

I too like Orakpo but I have to disagree with the logic that a DE can change a game more than a center. When a center changes a game it is in ways that go unnoticed. While the DE gets pressure to force a pick or comes up with a big sack or gets in the QBs head and forces him to throw early all game, the center is doing just as vital a job allowing the runner to pick up consistent 3-5 yard gains, keeping massive nose tackles from collapsing the interior line, thereby destroying pass protection, and making crucial line calls. They are equally important. And I think Mack is a better center than any of the DE’s in the draft are pass rushers. That is why I want Mack.

Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.

by poz on Jan 25, 2009 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

The thought crossed my mind

when I saw that interview. Those pics are stunning! Orakpo = Mark McGwire????

"There is a difference between knowing the path and walking the path"

by Joe P. on Jan 25, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

As I noted above, thats the thing that scares the hell outta me

Anyone else remember when the WR from the Cards David Boston, dude ADMITTED to taking HGH because the NFL couldn’t test for it at the time. Became a workout freak like Orakpo has, put on a ridiculous amount of muscle (30+ pounds) and kept his body fat to like 3%. He ended up failing as a WR because he kept blowing up his Achille’s tendon because his body couldn’t handle.

Any man who blows up muscle wise like Orakpo with that little body fat? PASS, dude is probably juicing.

I told the witch doctor that I was in love with the Buffalo Bills, and instead of telling me to say "Oh eeh oh oh ah, ting tang walla walla wing bang" in order to make me feel better he told me to buy a gun and end it.

by WABillsfan on Jan 26, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Well he also went from a high school workout and dietary regimen to one of the best programs in the nation. I’d have to imagine that had a MAJOR effect. Plus, don’t they test for HGH and ’roids in the NCAA???

~K
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by Kurupt on Jan 26, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

That's where we disagree
But I just don’t believe even a dominant Center turns this offense around.

Mack is the missing piece that will make our OLINE great. the more I see this guy the more convinced I am of this. Obviously there would be an assumption that they would actually re-focus the play-calling around a power run game but you’ve got to think that if they were to go with Make at #11 it would almost be a certainty. I truly believe that he would drastically improve our ability to control the LOS and greatly improve our short yardage situations as well as our Redzone production. If teams have a difficult time stopping us from getting -1-3 yard gains they will need to commit defenders to the box, which will open things up downfield for Evans/Johnson/Hardy

Your ability to control the LOS is directly linked to your ability to win football games!
FEED the BEAST!
Section 336 Row 13

by keysh67 on Jan 25, 2009 11:47 PM EST up reply actions  

We’ll have a stronger run game no doubt, but we’ll still have no playmakers at WR. The pass game wouldn’t improve, especially since Mack seems to be nothing more than average at pass blocking….

~K
"I’m Kurupt with Buffalo Rumblings. I am worth hundreds!"

by Kurupt on Jan 26, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Again we disagree

Most of the games we lost teams were only rushing their front 3 or 4 which meant that our run game should’ve been working on all cylinders – buut it wasn’t. Our middle was so bad that most teams could beat our front 5+ 1 TE with only 3-4 guys, which left a heck of a lot of guys in coverage making it difficult for Edwards, Evans, Hardy & Reed.

If our run game becomes relevant, teams won’t have a choice but to commit more defenders, which should open up the play-action passing game. Again, the main assumption here is that our idiot coordinator will be told not to always go the the shotgun, that he needs to pass more often from under center.

Evans is better than some have been giving him credit for. I also think that it affected Hardy as well. A strong run game is the equalizer that will give our passing game a fighting chance.

Your ability to control the LOS is directly linked to your ability to win football games!
FEED the BEAST!
Section 336 Row 13

by keysh67 on Jan 26, 2009 7:03 PM EST up reply actions  

The argument is simple

The DEs in this draft class are average, IMO of course. I just don’t see the potential for them to be great players. Therefore, there is greater risk of not getting value over the long run than if we take guys at other positions of great need who do have great potential. Yes, I do feel DT is almost as great a need as DE. The comparisons to Bruce Smith had to do with balance and agility. Do you feel the highlights of Brown and Orakpo show they have both. Or, are they straight ahead bull and speed rushers?

Yes, I do think Raji and Mack are equivalent talent to Williams at their respective positions. I think they will be All Pros. As far as weight issues, there are not many 300 lb men who don’t have a weight problem. You seemed fine with the Bills going after Shawn Rogers with big FA money.

"There is a difference between knowing the path and walking the path"

by Joe P. on Jan 25, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Brown has the explosion off the edge, pass rush moves and relentlessness that a great pass rusher needs. I haven’t seen enough of Orakpo yet. Nobody had the balance/agility combo of Bruce, so it’s pointless to even compare anyone to him. Mario Williams has the size, speed, agility similarities and that’s why he was the #1 pick, rightfully so.

You seemed fine with the Bills going after Shawn Rogers with big FA money.

Huh? When did I ever want Shaun Rogers to get a monster deal from Buffalo?

~K
"I’m Kurupt with Buffalo Rumblings. I am worth hundreds!"

by Kurupt on Jan 25, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Huh? When did I ever want Shaun Rogers to get a monster deal from Buffalo?

My bad. I thought I remembered you saying you wanted him over Stroud. My point about 300 lb lineman is still valid. Most of them could stand to drop 50 or more lbs after they are done in the NFL.

"There is a difference between knowing the path and walking the path"

by Joe P. on Jan 25, 2009 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Even if I did, it wouldn’t be for big money!

~K
"I’m Kurupt with Buffalo Rumblings. I am worth hundreds!"

by Kurupt on Jan 25, 2009 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Joe. I was one of the guys on the Shawn Rogers bandwagon, actually my preference was Jenkins, Rodgers then Stroud.

Your ability to control the LOS is directly linked to your ability to win football games!
FEED the BEAST!
Section 336 Row 13

by keysh67 on Jan 25, 2009 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Orakpo is a physical specimen no doubt..........but everyone in the NFL is one......

im not sold on the guy…..out of the 4 I’d still take Raji

12/19/08 - Thank you KLJ for coming into my life.

by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 24, 2009 2:28 PM EST reply actions  

then trade up for Mack

If that happened, you wouldn’t be able to wipe the smile off my face for a month.

"The Bills have no playoff aspirations"

by Joe P. on Jan 24, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

if

we drafted Raji and then traded up for Mack you couldn’t put me in a bad mood as hard as you tried for at least two months. We would have strong interior lines for over a decade.

Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.

by poz on Jan 24, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

My wife wouldn't know what to do with me till the season started

I would just to be too jazzed up all the time to sit still or just hang around the house, I would need to get out and do tons of things to keep calm if we got Raji and Mack.

I told the witch doctor that I was in love with the Buffalo Bills, and instead of telling me to say "Oh eeh oh oh ah, ting tang walla walla wing bang" in order to make me feel better he told me to buy a gun and end it.

by WABillsfan on Jan 24, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I hear that!

Is it dreaming too much to think its a possibility?? Thanks Joe, for putting the idea in our heads

Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.

by poz on Jan 25, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

You are Welcome

Something Bills related to smile about is hard to come by these days. I want some beef on the lines sooooooooo bad!!!! I have the fever…..and the only cure is more cow bell!!!! Keep banging on that bell until the cows come home to Buffalo!!!!!!!

"There is a difference between knowing the path and walking the path"

by Joe P. on Jan 25, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Brown

Thanks for posting this Brian. I think I was most impressed by what I saw of Brown actually. I had pretty much written him off as a pure speed rusher, but it appears he not only has a pretty devastating counter spin move but a little bit of a club as well. I was also impressed by how he played fast but disciplined against the option on the outside. He’s got great lateral agility too. That would be a definite help when Fewell calls on of those zone dogs which puts one of DEs against a RB coming out of the backfield. How many times last year did we watch Denney or Kelsay uselessly running after a clearly superior athlete? I’d like to see more of Brown against runs directly at him where he has to stack and shed though. It seems like most of the plays he made against the run he was either unblocked or used his quickness against inferior athletes.

by PozDispenser on Jan 24, 2009 3:01 PM EST reply actions  

I'm probably in the minority here

But something about watching Mack…I feel like he has a tendency to get his hands too far outside a lot. I don’t know. Just something in the clips made me slightly less sold on him. Ron, any thoughts, being that you’re the line guru ’round these parts?

That being said, I’m coming around on Orakpo, and the other two I wouldn’t hate as a pick, but would rather see us go with someone else.

Are we gonna do this every Saturday til the draft for most of the top prospects? I’d be all for that, myself. It’s good to see a lot of these guys that I didn’t see through the year (I didn’t watch a lot of ACC football this year…I know, for shame).

John Madden told me 90% of the game was half-mental...

by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Jan 24, 2009 4:43 PM EST reply actions  

Good stuff here. I have a lot of trouble throwing myself into the draft hype until about a week or two after the Super Bowl each year and with the decision to throw 2009 away by bringing Jauron back for another year, it may take longer than that this year. In any event, I want linemen and more linemen from this year’s draft so that the next coaching staff (the one that actually believes we can “compete” with the 2nd place Patriots) has a foundation to start rebuilding. Of the linemen featured above, I liked Brown and Raji the best. I prefer a DE, but seriously, I wouldn’t kill the drafting of any lineman on either side of the ball come draft weekend. By the time this team is ready to attempt to win again in 2010, Jason Peters (if he’s not holding out), Brad Butler, and Kyle Williams might be the only Bills’ linemen that will still be able to contribute. It’s time to admit the mistakes of Schobel, Kelsay, McCargo, (probably) Ellis, Dockery, Fowler-Preston, and Walker. The sooner we start adding their replacements, the sooner the new coaching staff can get this thing going again.

The passing of the torch is finally complete.

by Benjamin Salem on Jan 24, 2009 4:47 PM EST reply actions  

I actually completely agree

We are so young and talented at so many skills positions. RB – Lynch, Jackson, QB – Edwards, WR – Hardy, Evans, Johnson, DB – Youboty, McKelvin, Whitner, Corner, Greer (if he stays). At linebacker we are solid with Poz and if we keep Crowell him and Mitchell can hold up for a while longer.

As you said Butler, Peters, and Williams are the only lineman who will be capable of contributing down the road. I would add to that list Chris Ellis as a possibility because I am not yet ready to give up on a guy after one year. Tight end also needs an upgrade.

I completely agree with you. Good assessment. This is why I want Alex Mack so bad. He’s scouted as being the best center prospect in a decade. That is a great start to rebuilding the lines.

Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.

by poz on Jan 24, 2009 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think Walker has been all that bad. The rest, though, have been pretty brutal.

~K
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by Kurupt on Jan 25, 2009 1:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Are we going to have an open thread for the Senior Bowl?

"There is a difference between knowing the path and walking the path"

by Joe P. on Jan 24, 2009 6:31 PM EST reply actions  

Quinn Johnson

is having a good game. He is blocking well and has caught a few passes out of the backfield. And, just got a running TD showing his power and great second effort. If he keeps this up, his stock is going to rise.

"There is a difference between knowing the path and walking the path"

by Joe P. on Jan 24, 2009 7:59 PM EST reply actions  

I was hoping to get him in the 6th or 7th and now I am convinced that we will need to draft him in the 5th to get him.

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by keysh67 on Jan 25, 2009 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

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