Monday Update: Bills News and Notes
For those of you that missed it last week, we here at Buffalo Rumblings finished identifying and prioritizing the Buffalo Bills' top 13 needs heading into the off-season. Upon completion of that task, I asked for y'all to start listing names of free agent targets that you'd like to see profiled here at Rumblings. Right now, that list includes 34 names, but strangely, most of them are wide receivers. More names, people!
Just as our very own MattRichWarren did last week, Bills play-by-play radio announcer John Murphy takes a look at Ralph Wilson's Hall of Fame credentials. No word on whether the "inner circle" would theoretically be inducted with him.
Got a couple of tasty Tim Graham opinions to share with you from his latest AFC East Mailbag, one of the best reads on the Internet:
On the Bills' needs at TE, C, DE and LB heading into the Draft in response to a fan's opinion that the team should pass on Oklahoma State TE Brandon Pettigrew...
You're correct that defensive end and linebacker are needs. The Bills also need a center, but that's not a position you take in the top third of the first round unless he's elite, and there are no elite centers in this year's draft class. That said, Bills fans should be happy if Oklahoma State tight end Brandon Pettigrew is the pick.
No elite centers, huh? Sounds about right. Louisville's Eric Wood is looking better and better every day as the Bills' ideal second-round target, provided nothing is done at the position in free agency.
Oh, and speaking of free agency, Graham's got something to say there as well (after defending Dick Jauron for the umpteenth time - he's a brave soul, that Tim Graham)...
The free-agency period hasn't begun yet, so it's too early to tell for sure, but fact the Bills went hard after CFL sackmaster Cameron Wake -- they lost out to the Dolphins -- could indicate they'll be active in pursuing free agents.
Couldn't agree more. I mentioned this right after the decision to keep Jauron for 2009 came around, and the few of you who believed me have talked yourselves out of that notion over the last month or so. Believe it. Buffalo's going to go hard after players this off-season.
Oh, heck, let's get one more for you - on whether or not former Indianapolis defensive coordinator Ron Meeks, a proponent of the Tampa 2 under Tony Dungy, would make a good addition to Buffalo's coaching staff...
Hate to break it to you, but it's not going to happen. Word out of Orchard Park is that Dick Jauron wants to keep his staff intact. The only way defensive coordinator Perry Fewell won't be back is if he leaves on his own accord; defensive line coach Bill Kollar split for a Texans promotion. As for Meeks joining the Bills as an assistant, I'm sure he'll have better offers to consider.
Meeks caught my attention when he was fired, and with his experience, he'd look pretty good in some sort of advisory role to Fewell. But as Graham alludes to, that's merely a pipe dream of sorts, since Meeks is sure to get, you know, a real job offer elsewhere. But it's something to keep in the back of your mind, at the very least.
We've got news updates on three potential free agent targets of the Bills during the off-season...
- Ravens DE/LB Terrell Suggs, along with teammates Ray Lewis and Bart Scott, are willing to give the Ravens a "home-town discount" in an effort to stay together in 2009. Sounds like he wants to re-up with Baltimore pretty badly.
- Seahawks LB Leroy Hill, an unrestricted free agent that wouldn't look to bad as Buffalo's starting strong-side 'backer in 2009, is facing misdemeanor marijuana charges. Good one, Leroy.
- Miami's Channing Crowder - an inside linebacker in their 3-4, but also a potential outside linebacker in a 4-3 - is "heading toward splitsville" with the Dolphins. Could he be one of Buffalo's free agent targets? Time will tell, but he's certainly an interesting name to ponder for the time being.
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There’s a big difference in going after a player aggressively, and actually landing that player. I think the Bills have gone hard after players every year (behind the scenes), but they just can’t play ball with the big boys.
I envision it much in the way Jauron talked following a loss (his 6-6 vs 12-0 perspective): “Well, we’d have liked to sign Terrell Suggs, but, well, you know, Keith Ellison played every game for us last season, and, well – he’s a good player pound for pound. We’d truly have liked Suggs, but we’ll take Ellison and move forward.”
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 26, 2009 9:36 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
I agreed with Brian then and I agree with Brian now but they’re going to have to actually come through with some big signings for it to work. And signing Wake wouldn’t have been one of those, he’s too much of an unknown to everyone for it have been “big” or even “splashy.”
Talk is talk and there’s also no way to prove how aggressive they really were. My flag football team made a run at Asante Samuel last year but he wouldn’t play for just beer.
by twoeightnine on Jan 26, 2009 10:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Your first mistake was in not offering me that FF contract. =)
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 26, 2009 10:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but they’re going to have to actually come through with some big signings for it to work
Yeah, you’re absolutely right about that one. Things like “We were thisclose to signing Julius Peppers…” will just irritate us further. And ultimately, this off-season is about Wilson, Jauron and the inner circle placating the fan base.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 26, 2009 11:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is the year that Raph cannot say "thisclose" at all.
Saying that would mean that they weren’t willing to spend the extra money, overpaying if you will, to bring in one of the top pieces to their puzzle. Money talks in the NFL and unfortunately Ralph is Marcel Marceau.
by twoeightnine on Jan 26, 2009 12:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like
Berry and Dansby from Arizona. One is a veteran leader, and the other is a solid young player.
by Buffalonian on Jan 26, 2009 10:07 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
No elite centers in this draft? Someone has been partying with Leroy Hill. Over time we may easily see more than one elite center come out of this draft. If anything it is a rare year for the position. That comment is just nutty.
Here’s a good free agent tracker source:
http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=9&c=12&nid=83&lnid=83&yr=2009
I like it also because of the grading system they use. Interestingly they grade all three Ravens LB’s as elite. Realistically the Bills do not land any of the three. But the good news is that there are many good FA linebackers available and that is why I have said OBD will target one in free agency. God pool there.
The only thing that worries me about Crowder is his knees. Anyone have more info on that subject? He sure is the right age to go after. I still don’t think OBD will push to resign Crowell. Too much baggage. But what direction will they go – MLB and move Poz or OLB – who knows. A misdemeanor weed charge shouldn’t be a deal breaker and may lessen the price for Hill.
There are some good OG free agents coming to market and mabye we will pursue one of them. Just a guess but I hope so. Dock could use some competition.
Not a good FA pool for TE’s. I would assume that Houston will find a way to resign Daniels so that leaves but two, LJ Smith and Bo Scaife, either of which would be an upgrade over what we have. So what will OBD do? Pettigrew’s blocking skills are better than his receiving skills. They like that. So do you grab Pettigrew at 11 even if Orakpo or Brown or Maybin is still on the board?
It is a very good sign that we went after Cameron Wake. Just not aggressive enough. Let that be a lesson to OBD as we head into free agency. Want your man? Show it! Be AGGRESSIVE with your offer.
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by keuka121 on Jan 26, 2009 10:22 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Couple of issues here…
- You’re confusing “elite center” with “elite center prospect”. Obviously, Graham has no idea how good or how bad this year’s crop of centers will be this year. His opinion has everything to do with the prospects as they stand now, not what they’ll be in the future. Think of it as cattle rather than projections.
- How do you know how aggressive or passive the Bills were in their pursuit of Cameron Wake?
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 26, 2009 10:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In my opinion (and it’s just that, without proof) is that a team can be held as aggressive if they merely show interest in a player, rather than a team that showed no interest in the same guy. I take it all with a grain of salt.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 26, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They reportedly offered him a contract that was very fair
The Dolphins gave him the most money ever for a non-QB coming from the CFL.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 26, 2009 11:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's still nutty
regardless of whether or not you add prospect to the quote, Brian. Alex Mack is very much an elite center prospect. Just because you clearly do not want a center in the first round doesn’t mean you should defend a silly statement like that.
No elite centers, huh? Sounds about right.
If there are no elite center prospects in this draft then I guess there are NEVER elite center prospects in any draft.
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by poz on Jan 26, 2009 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If there are no elite center prospects in this draft then I guess there are NEVER elite center prospects in any draft.
Yeah, that’s pretty much where I stand.
I clearly do not want the Bills to draft a center in the first round as needs currently stand now. If the Bills go out and get a DE, a LB and a DT, then I may at that point be much more inclined to join your little bandwagon effort. Don’t pigeon-hole me yet. A lot is going to change.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 26, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Going by that definition...
there are never any elite players in any draft.
by twoeightnine on Jan 26, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There are never any elite prospects in any draft. And yeah, save 3-5 players every year, I pretty much believe that.
All there is on draft day is perceived value, needs and picks to trade. Draft day is a puzzle. 90% of the time, teams draft according to the market. I don’t care how good Alex Mack is, or how great he could be, or how he compares to centers past and how he’s being touted by the media. You don’t take a center at eleven overall when you have other needs. NOT because it would be a bad pick, but because you’re gambling other need areas within the game. Playing the draft according to your own rules is a gamble – it either pays off in a big way, or it’s incredibly detrimental. I’m not saying drafting Mack (or any other center) at 11 would be detrimental, I’m saying what we’re missing out on would be.
And again. All of this is as it stands now, before any player movement that’s going to take place over the next 2-3 months.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 26, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bruce Smith was definitely an elite prospect. Curry is too. I don’t know that I would put Everette Brown in that group but he has the same wide array of moves and looks like a natural at the position. He plays relaxed, at least as relaxed as a DE can play. that is a MAJOR difference between him and Orakpo. I’ll take the “relaxed” player any day. Reminds me of what boxing critics said of Muhhamad Ali. He was relaxed in the ring until he hit you. And yes we will see a lot of player movement before the draft.
It’s too bad that we need so much DE help. If we didn’t then taking Mack at #11 would be less risk than taking Whitner at #8.
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by keuka121 on Jan 26, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cameron Wake. The Dolphins simply made a more aggressive offer. I cannot remember where I read that but basically we got outbid. It seems that the market for good free agents has increased a lot recently. I look at what free agent CB’s in particular are getting and it is a head scratcher. I wonder if we could have landed Gonzales with a more aggressive offer.
I see your point with the difference between “elite center” and “elite center prospect”. However I would confidently say that there is one “elite center” already in this draft. So I’ll rephrase that to say that in all probability there is more than one elite center prospect in this draft that will become an elite center in the NFL over time.
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by keuka121 on Jan 26, 2009 10:48 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Gonzalez wanted nothing to do with Buffalo, the problem didn’t appear to be as much about what was being offered to the Chiefs as compensation.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 26, 2009 10:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The trade was basically agreed to
but Tony said no.
by twoeightnine on Jan 26, 2009 11:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He probably doesn’t like Applebee’s and Dave + Buster’s.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 26, 2009 11:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How about our offer and a weekend in Cabo with Salma Hayek.
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by keuka121 on Jan 26, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No elite centers? Uh oh, there’s going to be some comments here about that one….
If anyone is happy w/Pettigrew at #11, they should have their head checked!!!
I’m not sure how going after Cameron Wake is a sign that the Bills will be active in FA. He got a $4.9M contract over 4 years, not exactly a bank breaker. If anything, that shows the Bills will try to keep signings cheap and hope to hit on a guy with more potential than production thus far….
However, if we do hard after some bigger names, I’d expect it to be at the LB and C position. I’m sorry, but I still don’t see how the Bills would ever be able to bring in Peppers or Suggs. Sure, they may have interest, but $$$ is going to be the issue. Might as well try concentrating on the better LB’s and maybe Jason Brown.
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by Kurupt on Jan 26, 2009 11:59 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
damn right
there are going to be some comments about that! It just came across as blatantly injecting opinion to put down a position that Brian doesn’t want in the first round. If I don’t like Everette Brown with the 11th pick it doesn’t mean I’m going to sit here and say he’s not an elite DE prospect when everyone knows darn well that he is. I don’t like what he has to offer professionally in Buffalo but to sit here and say he isn’t an elite DE prospect in this draft is just blasphemous. I totally disagree with idea that there are no elite center prospects. Totally.
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by poz on Jan 26, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Man, you’re feisty about this. “Blatantly injecting opinion” – are you referring to Graham’s or mine?
You’re perfectly entitled to say that Everette Brown isn’t an elite defensive end prospect. I, personally, don’t think he is. There are a lot of question marks surrounding him. Is he a sure thing as a future elite pass rusher? Absolutely not. Is he a better investment than Alex Mack at 11? Absolutely.
This is what I’m talking about when I say “Don’t get married to a prospect”. It’s January 26. We’ve got three months until draft time, and we’re already drawing lines in the sand preparing for civil war. There’s three months to go until the draft. Keeping an open mind is the best plan of attack at this point in time.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 26, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea I am fiesty
not because I am married to picking Alex Mack in the first round because I’m not, in fact I’m growing inclined to believe he may be available by our second round pick (I’m going to throw a fanpost up about why he may be around) but because I find it unfair, both your comments and Graham’s, to state that there are no elite center prospects and leave it at that. This implies that there are elite defensive end prospects or tight end prospects or linebacker prospects. If Mack doesn’t qualify as an elite center prospect than Orakpo and Brown don’t qualify as elite DE prospects, no one outside Curry should be defined as elite LB prospects and certainly Pettigrew should not be prescribed as an elite TE prospect and Pettigrew is exactly who Graham was suggesting would be a fine pick instead of these “non-elite centers”.
Forgive me for getting worked up by all of this but it seemed like you were taking a cheap shot at Mack. You did explain further your statement when you replied to twoeightnine that
There are never any elite prospects in any draft. And yeah, save 3-5 players every year, I pretty much believe that.
Okay, I can accept that as a reasonable opinion for you to have. But in your write up you singled out center by saying that is sounds about right that there are no elite center, again, implying that there are elite prospects elsewhere. In my humble opinion I would say that Mack is more of a sure fire bet to be a great pro than Orakpo or Brown. Does that mean the ceiling isn’t higher for value from Orakpo? No, of course not, but it does imply that if those are the top two defensive ends in the draft that there are no elite DEs either.
I’m not looking to start a draft civil war. I think its clear that I really like Alex Mack but I’d be happy with a number of different picks at 11. I just can’t agree with you or Graham that Mack is any less elite at his position than Orakpo or Pettigrew are at theirs.
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by poz on Jan 26, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Forgive me for getting worked up by all of this but it seemed like you were taking a cheap shot at Mack.
Yeah, I can see how what I said might come across as that. But I’ve also repeatedly said (it feels like a million times) that I LIKE Mack as a prospect. I’ve also said numerous times that I wouldn’t be terribly upset if the Bills took him at 11. I think he’s going to be a very good player. But I can think that and also believe that there are no elite center prospects this year; I don’t think Mack is much better than Nick Mangold, for example. Mangold was the 29th pick.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 26, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
fair enough
It’s good that you like Mack as a prospect, because there really is a lot to like. However, in regards to Mangold, just because a player isn’t taken in the top 10 doesn’t mean he is not an elite prospect does it? I would say that an elite fullback prospect can go in round 4 and still be considered elite right?
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by poz on Jan 26, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I consider “elite” prospects the best players in the draft. The top 3-5 guys. Quinn Johnson and Tony Fiammeta are the best FB prospects this year, but they are not elite prospects.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 26, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That would suck to draft a Pro Bowler in the first round.
You know since we’ve had one first rounder make the Pro Bowl one time since Eric Moulds. That’s 12 years for those of you counting.
by twoeightnine on Jan 26, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it’s against the rules.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 26, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed on Pettigrew, I will riot if they pick that bozo at #11, there are NO TE's worth a #11 pick this year
Any other draft season he would be a second rounder quite easily. I think we go DE with that pick at this point and will NOT be surprised if that is so.
Ummm, a misdemeanor marijuana charge isn’t anything major to worry about. The guy has been clean till this point, it won’t be a big deal to me or anyone else if we get him, besides, he might need to the Weed to survive the Buffalo winters since he is from Atlanta orginally!
As it stands, the thing with him the worries me is that the Seahawks are talking Franchise tender, not good.
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by WABillsfan on Jan 26, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we'll see the franchise tag on several of our desireable FA's. Boo.
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by keuka121 on Jan 26, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. Jason Brown should be their top player. That would open up the ability to draft more front 7 D help early on. All I ask of them this year is please, no more CBs!
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 26, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
uh oh
a fire has been lit. Everything I have read says Mack is the best interior lineman and could go anywhere between picks 20-40. I’m sure he will be gone by the end of the 1st round. The Bills will have to trade back up to get him.
Pettigrew while not worth it at #11 is a monster of a TE prospect. Everything lately has said he is so polished physically, such a good blocker, and sure handed that he will excel immediately at the next level. Problem is he isn’t the natural pass catching playmaker that you would want at the #1 TE in the draft IMO. He will be a great pick though late in round 1.
The Bills have no need to be “more active” in FA. The last thing they need to do is blow a bunch of money in overpriced mediocre talent. I fully expect them to sign 2 veterans at LB DE or C. then come the draft they will go simply take the hgihest guy on their board and will not take a DB, QB or RB in the first 3 rounds.
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by MARVelous on Jan 26, 2009 12:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Leroy Hill
Get him. He will be worth the price.
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by the Uncommon Denominator on Jan 26, 2009 1:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
New DE I hadn't heard talk about by Chris Brown @ BB.com
Cards FA DE Smith likely to be on market
By Chris Brown – Posted January 26th, 2009
With teammates like Kurt Warner, Karlos Dansby and fellow DE Bertrand Berry likely higher on Arizona’s priority list this offseason, DE Antonio Smith may be out there for the taking. Smith is set to turn 28 next October and is not exactly a sack fiend, but some NFL talent evaluators believe he’s yet to reach his peak.
I’m not saying he’s the answer for the Bills pass rushing problems, but he is a free agent that is expected to be on the market and he does fit the age profile of Buffalo’s past free agents as Buffalo during Dick Jauron’s tenure likes to sign players with experience that still have 4-5 years of prime football left in them.
http://blogs.buffalobills.com/2009/01/26/cards-fa-de-smith-likely-to-be-on-market/
I am not a huge fan of bringing in someone who is “not exactly a sack fiend”. Someone we should ook at though.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 26, 2009 2:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
A signing like that does nothing to fix our pass rush woes, not even close. A signing like that enables us to part with Kelsay and improve the LDE spot.
I would love to sign a guy like this in order to get Kelsay out of town, obviously, but we still need a couple of true pass rush threats. At least 1…
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by Kurupt on Jan 26, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
K, I think every post of yours since the end of the year has been a pot-shot at Kelsay....lol
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 26, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kurupt is exactly right...
That’s what I thought. It doesn’t fix the problem but he may come cheaper than Kelsay or Denney’s contracts.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 26, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kelsay’s yes, Denney’s no
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by Kurupt on Jan 26, 2009 7:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
some free agents I'm interested in
There are obvious ones like Vilma and Suggs but I also like DT Rocky Bernard from Seattle. I don’t think we can afford to go with Raji in this draft but I do think DT could use a boost and Bernard would seriously upgrade our run defense and give us a pass rusher from inside. I think he, Kyle Williams and Stroud would make for one of the best DT rotations in the NFL. Bernard has averaged around 4 sacks a season in his career and usually tallies between 35 and 45 tackles. In his best season he finished with 8.5 sacks and 52 tackles. He’s 29 years old and I would guess he will fly under the radar this free agency with so many big name D-Lineman hitting the market. If we’re going to draft DEs, Cs, and TEs, Bernard could be a great way to solidify our interior D-Line.
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by poz on Jan 26, 2009 2:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Bernard gets nicked up kinda easily
But if he was a rotational guy he would be a very good pickup. The issue is when he needs to start full time, then he gets banged up real quick. But if we got him on a decent contract like we got Johnson, I would be happy with that.
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by WABillsfan on Jan 26, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
BG - I'm still confused by the following...
The free-agency period hasn’t begun yet, so it’s too early to tell for sure, but fact the Bills went hard after CFL sackmaster Cameron Wake — they lost out to the Dolphins — could indicate they’ll be active in pursuing free agents.
Couldn’t agree more. I mentioned this right after the decision to keep Jauron for 2009 came around, and the few of you who believed me have talked yourselves out of that notion over the last month or so. Believe it. Buffalo’s going to go hard after players this off-season.
Why do many of you think the Bills’ will be aggressive in FA this year? If Peters gets signed to an extension, there won’t be much room left. I don’t get this kind of thinking…
by krytime on Jan 26, 2009 3:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Even if Peters gets an extension, we’re talking about $37 million in cap room if guys like Kelsay, McCargo and Simpson are let go. Peters will get what, 8-10 million of that? That leaves room for 1-2 big signings and some smaller, Kawika Mitchell-type signings. They’re going to be active.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 26, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Where are you coming up with 37?
I think, and I could be wrong, that the cap space for next season is around 25, give or take a few. Under the “cash to cap” thing they run, a Peters signing will probably eat up 10 of that. Add in extensions for Jackson, Ellison, Digi, etc. Figure that Kelsay won’t be cut (Ralph won’t do that), and Ko and Big John make peanuts to begin with, and there really isn’t much money to play with.
I’m hereby going on record saying they won’t make a “big splash” in FA. It doesn’t fit their budget. It doesn’t fit their MO. And in my opinion, it’s not the right way to build a team.
I’ve been giving a lot of thought to a huge fan post I’m hoping to put up in the next day or so. I’m addressing this very topic in it. IMO, I think they fly under the radar again.
Remember – they only had two “big” FA signings last year, and I wouldn’t consider either of them big.
by krytime on Jan 26, 2009 5:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s $27 million, and another $10 million if the guys I mentioned get cut.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 26, 2009 8:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is that including cap hits?
Kelsay had a nice signing bonus; I’m sure some of that would be a hit (and another reason the Bills won’t just let him loose for nothing). “Mr. I’m worth millions” is irrelevant. McCargo could save some.
I personally believe you’re not grasping the concept of their cash to the cap way of thinking. They will be re-signing plenty of players, and they will count those signing bonuses in full for this year.
Also, do you really think they will “max” out on the salary cap? No frogging way….
by krytime on Jan 26, 2009 8:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OK.
- Where’s the guarantee that Peters gets that extension?
- Who are these “plenty of players” that they’ll be re-signing? I can think of three that might command significant dollars…
- Cap hits are irrelevant in the case of players like Kelsay, because signing bonuses are front-loaded.
- You’re splitting hairs, but even with them split, you’re talking about taking $37M to $33ishM. It’s not nearly significant enough to say “they won’t sign anyone”.
- Even if Peters gets his extension, that’s still $25M. Say they sign 2-3 guys that command $15 million in 2009 cap dollars, then sign some more players worth peanuts (the Kirk Chambers and Jabar Gaffneys of the world). How is that not a significant spending spree? They’d still come out $5-10 million under the cap. Recall the fact that they only have 7 draft picks…
So, in short, I pretty much disagree with you. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 26, 2009 8:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The old agree to disagree....
You are correct on Peters. There is no gaurantee that he gets an extension. And, in my view, if they don’t do one with him before FA starts, they are not going to. But – they should. As soon as Parker lines up his meat from the 2009 draft class, his attention should be on Peters.
Cap hits are not irrelevant to this owner. Cap hits are lost money to this guy, and his track record indicates he doesn’t throw money away.
In my view, they have about 25. Ten goes to Peters, Another five goes to Ellison, DiGi, Chambers, Jackson, if you’re lucky.
And again – you didn’t address this point – you really think they will spend to the cap? They could have used last years’ excess for something, but they didn’t. Why? Because RW won’t spend to the cap.
by krytime on Jan 26, 2009 10:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And again – you didn’t address this point – you really think they will spend to the cap?
I did address the point – I think they’ll come out 5-10 million under.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 27, 2009 6:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't see where you said that (5-10) under, so...
Our disagreement now lies with how much they can save by getting rid of some salary. I really don’t think that will be much though.
Let’s say they stay at 10 under, to be conservative, which is what they are. If we agree there is about (I’ll use your number) 27 under, and they’ll ink Peters for a cap hit this year at 10, then there is only about seven million left, plus whatever they free up. I really don’t think that’s much to make a splash with. Maybe on big name, or two medium names.
by krytime on Jan 27, 2009 11:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I consider what they did last year – Stroud, Mitchell and Johnson – a “splash”. That’s one biggish name and two medium names, and they didn’t break the bank for it. Why is it so difficult to imagine a similar free agency period this year?
Don’t forget, either, that even after they got those three on board, they were going after guys like Ben Troupe, Panda and Marlon McCree – second-tier guys that can contribute. They’ve been aggressive in free agency under Jauron. I can’t fathom why anything would change.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 27, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why are the Bills
not persueing a trade for Julius Peppers? It’s being rumored that the Dolphins are negociating with Carolina for Peppers. I would think the Bills would gladly give up their #11 and one other draft position for Peppers.
by gjv on Jan 26, 2009 6:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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by Kurupt on Jan 26, 2009 7:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Did’t the Bills have one of the highest payrolls last year?
by gjv on Jan 26, 2009 7:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Let the Dolphins mortgage their future. Peppers is a risky signing at this point in his career, particularly at the type of money he’ll command.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 26, 2009 8:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When does our future become the present?
"There is a difference between knowing the path and walking the path"
by Joe P. on Jan 26, 2009 8:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When we start having very good drafts….
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by Kurupt on Jan 27, 2009 1:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and that happens when we get a real front office
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 27, 2009 2:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What does that have to do with not making dumb free agent signings?
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 27, 2009 6:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
why do you think signing Peppers is risky? I would think that at this stage in his career he would be ideal. He is young and can play very well in this league. I would certainly give up the #11 pick for him.
by gjv on Jan 27, 2009 8:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Peppers is not “young”, at least by NFL standards. Dude just turned 29. He’ll want a 6-7 year deal. Where’s the guarantee that he can be his usual productive self (he’s averaged just over 10 sacks/season over his 7-year career) in another 2-3 years?
People also quickly forget that he had just 2.5 sacks a year ago (2007). That was very Chris Kelsay of him. And he only missed 2 games!
Plus, there’s the whole “he might not leave Carolina now that they’ve gutted their defensive coaching staff to placate him” argument. I honestly don’t think he gets out of Carolina. His production should increase playing the Dwight Freeney role in Ron Meeks’ defense. (Can Meeks take a job where the defensive ends AREN’T good?)
I’m not saying I wouldn’t be pleased if we pursued Peppers. But there are certainly wiser investments out there.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 27, 2009 8:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Money money money moneeeeey... Moneeeeeey
Well. I’ve read evry single comment in this post, and of others about FA and Draft. Sometime I feel bad because as much as I really really want to believe the FO will be very active at FA and bring playmekers to the team, there is a part of me who thinks this is not going to happen this way.
Well, let’s see what can really happens at FA. I think Bills will bring a good/ very good DLB bu not because they will go hard pursuing the big names, but because there are a lot of very goods/goods DLB at FA, and a deep draft class at this position too, so it’s almost impossible bring a good DLB if you need at FA or Draft. LeRoy Hill will be a possibility because he became a bargain after his drug possession.
Second, I think they will bring some DE, but not big names like Suggs or Peppers, but maybe they will bring someone to justify to the fans the FO concern about pass rush.
Third, as much as I pray every day for it happens, I don’t think they will cut Kelsay ( Please God don’t listen this). Jauron is not the guy who throw his players or staff form the bus. I hope the FO do it with Kelsay, his contract makes no sense at all.
Fourth, the FA class of TE sucks, but I think the FO can bring some guy like Bo Scaife to depth.
I think they will give a new contract to Peters, unless he wants to go out.
Well, then they go to Draft and will try to do their best bets there. I think they will draft a DE in 1st, a TE in 2nd, and a C in 3rd. Well, it’s january, too early to fight for some nomes, but if it happens I will be happy. And really anyone will be happy if "Oklahoma State tight end Brandon Pettigrew is the pick ". I’m not!!!
Well guys that’s it. It’s are only a few thoughts about a long offseason ahead us. There are a lot more to discuss until FA period and then Draft. I really like read comments here, we learn a lot with you guys and we can agree or not and create good arguments to agree or not!
by hightower_mc on Jan 26, 2009 10:27 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Third, as much as I pray every day for it happens, I don’t think they will cut Kelsay ( Please God don’t listen this). Jauron is not the guy who throw his players or staff form the bus. I hope the FO do it with Kelsay, his contract makes no sense at all.
Well, it could happen that’s for sure, and has happened. The Jauron regime brought in guys like Larry Tripplett, Anthony Thomas and Kiwaukee Thomas and saw fit to release them last offseason due to ineffectiveness. There’s no reason to believe that they won’t do the same for Kelsay. Yeah, it’s probably unlikely, but it’s not impossible…..
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by Kurupt on Jan 27, 2009 1:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you need to add the "laugh" at the end for the full Million Dollar Man Ted Dibiase reference.....(if thats what you were going for lol)
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 27, 2009 2:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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