Potential Bills: C Jason Brown
During the process of identifying the Buffalo Bills' biggest positional needs, the Buffalo Rumblings community nearly unanimously listed a pass-rushing defensive end as the one spot where the Bills most desperately needed an upgrade. Tight end, center and linebacker closely followed. We have already begun the process of profiling potential Bills free agents; for reference now and in the future, all of these profiles will be available at this link.
With the NFL's free agent signing period set to begin less than one month from today (midnight on February 27), we here at Rumblings are now starting the process of profiling several top-notch free agents that the community has identified as worthy of donning the red, white and blue in 2009. Buffalo's need at center is as dire as their need at any other position; the only debatable topic is whether or not the position is as important as others where attention is needed. Wherever you may stand on that topic, Ravens C Jason Brown has to be an intriguing free agent option simply because he's a solid player at an area in need of a serious upgrade. Joining us once again is Rexx, head blogger at Baltimore Beatdown, to discuss another big-name Ravens free agent. Joining Rexx from the Beatdown, however, is math_geek, who joined us in yesterday's discussion of DE Terrell Suggs and offered up some solid opinions on Brown's impending free agency as well.
Jason Brown
Age 26 at start of 2009 season
6'3", 320 pounds
4-year NFL veteran out of North Carolina
On Baltimore's potential interest in re-signing him
Rexx: "He is one of the top two or three Ravens priorities to re-sign and I fully expect him to be over the ball in 2009."
math_geek: "They really do want to sign Brown, but don’t like signing interior offensive lineman to large contracts. It’s not clear what they think of Chris Chester, a second round pick in 2006 who everyone assumed to be a bust, until Marshall Yanda was injured and Chester took his spot at RG and played well. They also drafted Oniel Cousins and David Hale. Chester, Yanda, and Hale have all taken snaps at center in practices."
On Brown's playing abilities
Rexx: "Brown is the centerpiece of the Ravens offensive line. At just 25 years old, he is the veteran of the group, other than former Cincinnati OT Willie Anderson, whose status is undecided for 2009. Brown has a nasty streak in him and therefore has the size and ability to fight off the tough nose tackles that he faces each week. He, along with his mates, were a huge reason that rookie QB Joe Flacco had the time to find his receivers and enjoy a great first year."
math_geek: "Top 3 center? Not really. I mean, it’s hard to say, but Jared Gaither, Ben Grubbs, and Marshall Yanda have all gotten a bunch of accolades, and our offensive line isn’t that good. Jason Brown is a good center, and some guys like Dr. Z love him, but he doesn’t remind me of the dominant centers such as Matt Birk or Jeff Saturday."
Does Brown "Fit the Bill"?
Baltimore's offense has not been dominant over the past couple of years, but it has been efficient, particularly in the running game. There's a reason that converted FB Le'Ron McClain had a good season despite the limitations imposed on the offense as Flacco was brought along. Brown - chosen two picks after current Bills center (and much-maligned athlete) Duke Preston in the 2005 draft - has been a stabilizing force at the pivot during that two-year stretch.
Brown is an intriguing option because he's young and comes from an offense built for the power running game. Coming out of the AFC North, Brown is used to handling nose tackles, dealing with Pittsburgh's Casey Hampton and Cleveland's Shaun Rogers twice per season. Buffalo needs a center that can stand up to the AFC East's dominant nose tackles (Vince Wilfork, Kris Jenkins and Jason Ferguson); Brown is that type of player. He's also not so well-known that he'd demand big dollars on the open market like a Matt Birk or Jeff Saturday would.
As Rexx alluded to, Brown is going to be a priority free agent in Baltimore, but the Ravens have at least three such players on the roster - and they've got a franchise tag to use. Center salaries aren't exactly through the roof throughout the league, so it's not inconceivable that Brown gets tagged. But of the Ravens' "big three" free agents, Brown is undoubtedly a lower priority than Ray Lewis and Terrell Suggs. If the Bills want to go after a Ravens free agent that would fit perfectly in Buffalo, Brown seems like the most logical choice.
Sound off
Any thoughts on Brown you'd like to add? Yay or nay to Brown potentially becoming a Bill? What do you expect his price tag to be? Do you believe there will be interest out of One Bills Drive for Brown's services? Let's get cracking, folks. For the record, Brown is one of four players I think the Bills should be aggressive in pursuing when free agency opens. You?
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I like this guy
I saw him play about 10 times this past season (what happens when you live in D.C. and hate the Red Skins) and I think he’d be a perfect addition. Adding Brown will make Dockery look a whole lot better as well – their styles would compliment each other very well
I really feel like this guy should be the Bils top offensive target in FA. I know alot of people around here love Mack, and that is fine, but I really believe that this team would be better served by signing Brown and using their top pick on the D.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
exactly
Maybe now you'll never slime a guy with a positron collider
by J2 on Jan 29, 2009 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
It’s quite simply the best scenario. They don’t spend out the nose for a FA DE, and don’t have to wait on a C to get comfortable at the NFL level. They KNOW Brown can do the job.
My wishlist in FA:
Jason Brown
Anquan Boldin
Bart Scott (being realistic in that Suggs isn’t coming here)
Johnathan Vilma
Bertran Berry (warmed to idea, IF they go DE in the 1st round)
Joey Harrington
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 29, 2009 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
Just FYI, don’t know if you’re aware or not, but if Boldin is going anywhere, it will be via trade. He’s under contract for next year. (That’s a mistake I made at one point – I thought he was a UFA this year – and was subsequently corrected as well.)
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 29, 2009 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
i wasn’t aware; bummer. Well, Panda it is!
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 29, 2009 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
Boldin for Greer, Kelsay and Royal? Wait, just Greer? =)
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 29, 2009 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
Are you crazy?
Joey Harrington? Trust me, you want nothing to do with any player drafted by Matt Millen.
by LiveFromDeltaTwpMich on Jan 29, 2009 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
You would rather have Hamden be #2?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 29, 2009 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
I have to agre on harrigton...
I want no part of him…
CHarlie Batch or Byron Leftwich man.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 29, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
Calvin Johnson, Ernie Sims, Shaun Rogers. I’d take any of those guys to start for us right now. I’m not too worried about a Millen draft pick as a backup.
by twoeightnine on Jan 29, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
He’d definitely be a good addition, but I’m really cautious about going overboard spending on a center (not knowing how much he could expect to make). With Peter’s likely getting an extension and the large amount cap space already devoted to the line, I’m not sure FA is the best way to address the need. Really, that’s for OBD to work out and all I really care is that the position gets better so I would welcome Brown with open arms.
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WHY COULDN’T WE HAVE JUST DRAFTED HIM INSTEAD OF PRESTON!?!?!? I know that’s what many Bills fans wanted at the time too….
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Because that would have made too much sense.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 29, 2009 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
BTW – Your avatar should be of Kelsay with Cellino and Barnes.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 29, 2009 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
It was Tom Donahoe's last draft in Buffalo.
“The offensive line might be the position where coaching is more of a significant factor than any position,” Bills general manager Tom Donahoe says. “I think you need a premium offensive line coach, the guy who can take down-the-line guys and free agents and develop them into pretty good pros.”
http://www.sportingnews.com/experts/dan-pompei/20050328b.html
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
LOL
I guess Tom Donahoe expected Jim McNally to make chicken salad out of chicken sh!t.
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
i think Brown would be a great fit. He has proven, like Brian said, that he can go up against dominant 3-4 nose tackles and that is exactly what we need. He also fits the bill age-wise which is encouraging. I think we have a decent chance of seeing him in a Bills uniform next season, definitely a better chance than some of the other pipe dream signings that people are throwing out there
brown
a guy that would be a great addition but I don’t see how Balt lets him walk. OL are too valuable especially ones that are developed and aren’t going to break the bank.
BTW brian you say coming out of the NFC north instead of AFC just fyi:)
I’m not too worried about the Center position. We address in FA if we can great. Otherwise use a 2nd or 3rd round pick and get a guy in here. Its the front 7 and one playmaker on Offense that concerns me much more
MARVelous
BTW brian you say coming out of the NFC north instead of AFC just fyi:)
Surely, I haven’t a clue what you’re talking about. ;)
Man, I suck at editing. No matter how diligently I do it, I always miss one or two stupid little things like that.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 29, 2009 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
That's the million dollar question
What do you mean by “aren’t going to break the bank”? How much do you think Jason Brown will cost? It is all relative, isn’t it? If we are talking about a 3-4million per year difference, I’d rather sign a “developed” and proven FA DE such as Suggs. If we are talking about an 8mil difference, then I will consider Jason Brown.
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As an outspoken advocate of Alex Mack
I will say that if we sign Jason Brown I would be completely satisfied. In fact, he is about the only alternative to Mack that I would be slightly disappointed about. Signing Birk and then drafting Woods works but Brown or Mack is the gold standard for me. Also, I know this could be entirely in my head but sometimes I feel like our offensive line plays a bit soft. Peters and Dockery especially. I think it would be great to bring in a guy from the Ravens who has been battling in the trenches of the AFC North for his whole career. To re-iterate from the Suggs post, I think the Bills no matter what are going to get a Ravens player this off-season, or at least do everything they can to get one. The priority order of re-signings in Baltimore is either going to be A.) Lewis, Suggs, Brown, Scott or B.) Lewis, Brown, Suggs, Scott. Except for Ray Lewis, all the others, with varying likelihoods, may be available to go after. if the Bills do not land a Raven its for one of two reasons. The Ravens go on a cutting spree to make cap room for all four, thereby decimating their team, or the Bills aren’t doing everything in their power to make this team better, thereby decimating their team as well.
Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.
So you sign a 25-year-old starting free agent center
and still spend your number 2 pick on a center (Woods)? No way in a million years do I do that. I am spending that second pick on someone who can contribute right now.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 29, 2009 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
agreed
Brown is young enough that he can still be an anchor on the line for 10 years. unless Wood can play guard I would use the pick elsewhere. I would take another center but if I already had Brown in my pocket why take one that high? A second round pick on a guy who will be nothing more than a back-up?
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
Unger is more likely to play at guard at NFL. If he said him I’d agreed
by hightower_mc on Jan 30, 2009 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
huh?
where did I say that I would draft a center after signing Brown? Nowhere….
Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.
Isn't Woods the Louisville center?
I suck at the college stuff guys so I might be wrong.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 30, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
yes he is
But I said I would use a second on Wood if we drafted Birk, because he is so old, not Brown. If we got Brown I would ecstatic because it would let us slash center off the draft list.
Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.
Oh ok.
Sorry. I was reading fast I guess.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 30, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
Right, something I would like, too.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 30, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
Doesn’t have to be Birk, but any vet C that is capable of being a solid starter for us will be ok with me. Back him up with a 2nd or 3rd round pick this year, and I’ll be happy.
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who else is out there
besides Birk and Saturday as vets? I’ve heard Meester’s name thrown around but that’s about it.
Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.
should say "only alternative to Mack that I wouldn't be slightly disappointed"
Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.
Bills O-Line philosophy
Is it just me or does it seem like the only factor in drafting / signing linemen since the Tom Donahoe era has been “How big is he?” as opposed to “How skilled is he?”. Does anyone agree? This also isn’t the right place, but does anyone remember the circumstances surrounding Jim Leonhard’s departure? It made me sick watching him play for Baltimore in the playoffs and remembering that when he was in (as little as that was) he was making plays for Buffalo. Arrrgh.
Jason Brown seems like he might fit, does anyone at the Baltimore blog keep track of stats like Ron from NM? That would be an interesting comparison. Can he pull block? Duke Preston can’t. Also, I don’t remember, did Duke’s play improve as the year went on or did he just suck the whole time?
Your wish is my command
Merry Christmas, but I don’t love you enough to put it all together for you, you can read the entire 16 article collection all on your own. What I will say about pulling is that guards Ben Grubbs and Chris Chester are both quite good at it, meaning that, well, Jason Brown may be better at pulling than all that data suggests. For further reading material…
http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol
You’ll see there that the Ravens were best running to the left side and up the middle, thanks to our two best lineman LT Jared Gaither and C Jason Brown.
Just wanted to say, that I do really like Brown and think he’s a very good player. I might sound more negative when people ask me if he’s one of the three best Centers in the league, but that’s just based on the question.
Also, Le’Ron McClain is not a rookie, he played FB last season and was drafted in the bottom of the 4th round in 2007.
I signed him on my Madden team to lead block for Marshawn....
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 29, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
If we can get Brown, I would be very very happy
Any man who has proven himself against teams who run the 3-4 as a C, and is considered a good lineman to boot, is worth giving a good size contract to, plus his age is a HUGE bonus for this team.
If we can get Brown, and pickup a C prospect in the later rounds of the draft I will be a happy man. If we can’t get Brown, then C stays in the first 2 rounds of the draft in importance to me. Birk and Saturday MAY hit FA, but I want a guy who has shown himself good at playing 3-4s if I can!
I told the witch doctor that I was in love with the Buffalo Bills, and instead of telling me to say "Oh eeh oh oh ah, ting tang walla walla wing bang" in order to make me feel better he told me to buy a gun and end it.
Brown did not look to good in the playoffs!
Im wanna those guys who really wants Mack and think he’ll be the best Center in the league before long and that he’ll improve every skill position on offense!

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