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I think there's a general consensus that Buffalo has needs at center, defensive end, tight end, and linebacker. I think that most people see less serious issues with WR and S. While quite a few people don't think Dock and Walker are all that great I haven't heard a lot of people put guard or tackle high on their list of priorities.

We've all watched OBD fumble about in free agency. While some believe the Bills will feel the need to make a big splash I kind of doubt it happens. Even if the Bills do sign a number of free agents, history suggests that no more than 2 will be worthwhile....and more likley only one.

So, I'm putting up a poll with a variety of options. The first position in the poll is the one you think the Bills should go after--and get right--in free agency or possibly via pre-draft trade. The positions after the --> are how you'd like to see Buffalo address the remaing 3 big needs in the first 3 rounds. I deliberately didn't put names for a pair of reasons. First, I don't watch enough college football to really have a firm opinion on which, say, LB is the best for the Bills. Second, I don't want it to devolve into a debate over this DE vs that DE. We're just talking positions here. 

It's a long poll but I can't figure out how to put it in the entry body so it doesn't take up so much room on the front page. I just wanted to put down all the options. Well, the realistic options. I guess we could fantasize about OBD taking care of 2 of those 4 big needs via free agency/trades....

Poll
How should Buffalo address the top 4 (C, DE, LB, TE) needs? The position before the --> is FA/trade and after is the draft in order of rounds.
C --> DE, LB, TE
8 votes
C --> DE, TE, LB
15 votes
C--> LB, DE, TE
0 votes
C --> LB, TE, DE
2 votes
C --> TE, DE, LB
6 votes
C --> TE, LB, DE
2 votes
DE --> C, LB, TE
14 votes
DE --> C, TE, LB
20 votes
DE --> LB, C, TE
7 votes
DE --> LB, TE, C
5 votes
DE --> TE, C, LB
6 votes
DE --> TE, LB, C
3 votes
LB --> C, DE, TE
7 votes
LB --> C, TE, DE
2 votes
LB --> DE, C, TE
13 votes
LB --> DE, TE, C
2 votes
LB --> TE, C, DE
2 votes
LB --> TE, DE, C
1 votes
TE --> C, DE, LB
6 votes
TE --> C, LB, DE
3 votes
TE --> DE, C, LB
10 votes
TE --> DE, LB, C
3 votes
TE --> LB, C, DE
1 votes
TE --> LB, DE, C
0 votes
Screw position of need. Go for best player available. You can never have too many kick returners.
6 votes

144 votes | Poll has closed

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I voted for TE before the draft then (-->) C, DE, LB

Owen Daniels (70 rec, 862 yards) is likely the most productive TE that Buffalo could land in free agency. Heller, Johnson, King (RFA), Kleinsasser, Pope and Wilcox didn’t combine (I think—I didn’t actually add it up.) for as many yards. Smith (37 rec, 298 yards) and Scaife (58 rec, 561 ayrds) were reasonably productive. Gonzales already doesn’t want to play in a place like Buffalo so a big name trade is likely out. It’s possible that Buffalo could pick up a TE before the draft. I like the stats on Daniels—he’s progressed every year. If Buffalo signed him, which I think is at least a possiblity, I’d call it good for the time being and look ahead to the draft.

I don’t think Minny lets Birk go but San Diego might not fight too hard to keep Goff. Personally I’d rather not get a good guard and hope he can be a center. There’s no way the Colts let Saturday go after Indy’s horrendous start this year without him. There will be no help at center before the draft.

There are number of free agent LBs worth considering before the draft. Ray Lewis probably stays with the Ravens. Plus, he’s old. Peterson is good when he’s healthy and he had a row with Jack Del Rio earlier in the season. Vilma and Farrior are options and don’t forget about Crowell. The way I see it, the Bills address this position in free agency. That doesn’t mean that it’s completely fixed no matter which, if any, of these guys is signed. Think of these guys as plywood covering a hole in the roof….so they might still need to draft a LB pretty high.

There are some good FA options at DE. Unfortunately, guys like Suggs and Peppers will be out of Buffalo’s price range. Kevin Carter and Chris Canty are more likely to sign but would they really solve the Bills’ problems at DE? I kind of doubt it so if you’re a DE first kind of mindset I wouldn’t look at free agency.

by Ron From NM on Jan 3, 2009 1:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Daniels is a RFA

not happening

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by Kurupt on Jan 3, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's bad news

The site I got the info on had him as a UFA. If he’s a RFA the Bills could swing a trade for him but it would have to be for draft pick(s) since I don’t think we have anything Houston needs.

by Ron From NM on Jan 3, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I checked some more sites

Most of them either have Daniels as a RFA or a free agent without saying RFA or UFA. That’s too bad. Maybe Houston will do something stupid and tender him low…

by Ron From NM on Jan 3, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t even think Daniels is a RFA. Rotoworld has him under contract through next season.

by kaisertown on Jan 3, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Scouts.com has him as a RFA

That makes for an interesting question. Is it better to burn a 3rd rounder on a TE in the draft or better to trade a 2nd rounder to Houston for a proven TE?

by Ron From NM on Jan 3, 2009 5:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So after some research, Daniels is under contract, but can void this final year of his contract. He will be a RFA this offseason. He was a 4th round pick and I have a hard time believing that Houston will give him less than the 1.5 mil 2nd round tender and might even tender him with a first round pick.

by kaisertown on Jan 3, 2009 7:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I would if I was Houston

800+ yards out one TE is terrific. Of course, my priority with him would be to extend him instead of tender him.

by Ron From NM on Jan 3, 2009 7:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good luck

Houston won’t be trading him for a 2nd. He’s a very good player.

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by Kurupt on Jan 4, 2009 1:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

LOVE the sig, K!

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 4, 2009 9:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

haha

What a moron. It’s too funny though

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by Kurupt on Jan 4, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There will be no help at center before the draft.

Jason Brown will probably get locked up too, but what about Brad Meester? I think the Bills could do worse than Geoff Hangartner too. Even John Wade and Russ Hochstein have peaked my curiousity. i think center has more potential FAs that make sense than DE or TE do.

Here is what I think of Scaife (I posted this earlier)

I don’t buy that Scaife is a impact TE unless you think that a dumpoff option can be an impact player. Scaife is essentially a FB in that offense. He averages 9.7 yards per catch, but he also averages 5.6 yards in YAC. So his average catch is 4 yards downfield. I honestly think Fine and Schouman could do for this offense what Scaife does in Tennessee if the coaches designed the plays that way.

by kaisertown on Jan 3, 2009 5:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Buffalo's tried the 'we can do worse' at center for the past several years

The mantra this year should be ‘we can’t do better’. Whether that’s the draft or free agency is another question. I just don’t think that Buffalo is likely to get as good of a center in free agency as can be had in the draft.

Scaife had better production than pretty much the Bills’ TE position. I don’t think he’s a great TE but he’s better than Buffalo currently has in terms of production. I think he’ll probably get far more than he’s worth so I hope Buffalo stays away from him.

by Ron From NM on Jan 3, 2009 5:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That’s fair enough. My whole we can do worse concept is based on the thought that a guy like Hangartner or even Hochstein would be a legit upgrade over Preston/Fowler and that the Bills would draft a center in the second or third round anyways and really solidify the position.

Signing a guy like Hangartner and resigning Preston wouldn’t be nearly enough for me.

by kaisertown on Jan 3, 2009 7:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Either get a well above average player in Birk or potentially Brown, or go get Mack/Luigs/Unger in the draft. If we solve our Center void with a John Wade or Russ Hochstein, I don’t think we’re going to see a whole lot of improvement….

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by Kurupt on Jan 4, 2009 1:52 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Personally I would like to see Buffalo go center in the second round (maybe third if they really like someone who they think will be there) AND sign a solid free agent like Hangartner or a pretty decent one like Wade or Hochstein. Hoch has been doing a great job in short yardage lately as a tight end and fullback too.

by kaisertown on Jan 4, 2009 6:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That idea I can get behind….I just don’t want to fill our need with a Melvin Fowler type signing, though obviously not as pathetic…

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by Kurupt on Jan 4, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Just curious

4 people have voted for a free agent DE. Which DE do you guys think we can get who will make an impact on our putrid pass rush?

by Ron From NM on Jan 3, 2009 1:52 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

He's a RFA......but

Jason Hunter from the Pack……..25 years old and “allegedly” runs around a 4.5 40……….

It all depends on the tender though..

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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 3, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly, my opinion is they won’t really solve any of the needs in FA. (I would have marked the last option, except I expected it to say, “You can never have too many DBs”!)

by thefourwinds on Jan 3, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It varies

Ted Ginn – Wide Receiver, a lot of them are running backs. Roscoe Parrish is a “wide receiver”

by syrbillsfan on Jan 5, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

LB→DE, C, TE

Though I’d go TE in the 4th, with BPA in round 3, such as a LB, S or DT….

~K
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by Kurupt on Jan 3, 2009 2:48 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

LeRoy Hill, Crowell (i guess)….or maybe throw money at Vilma or Crowder, or plug it for a year with Eric Barton or Mike Peterson….

I would be fine with DE, C, LB in the draft….with TE in the 4th…assuming we don’t really fill any of those needs in FA.

~K
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by Kurupt on Jan 4, 2009 1:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I cant vote because I don't know who is available.

Is a FA center better than some options for a FA TE? Or any combination for that matter?

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by NYTXFAN on Jan 3, 2009 3:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

TE's in FA

There’s pretty much no TE worth looking for in FA. Bo Scaife is expected to resign with the Titans, L.J. Smith has never lived up to his athletic ability and Owen Daniels is in all likelihood (unless the Texans make a gigantic blunder) going to resign with the Texans. If he gets tendered with a second round pick, I could see us being very interested in trading that second round pick for him, but that’s not likely to be an option imo.

Gresham is by far the best TE in the draft, and is a terrific pass-catcher with good blocking potential since he’s 6-6, 260 pounds. Pettigrew or Coffman would be other options.

by BillsfanfromDenmark on Jan 3, 2009 4:29 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

LB DE C TE

This decision is made for 2 reason. #1 is based on the what is available in FA. #2. Since Dick J is our head coach I truly believe he can ONLY be successful with an absolutely dominant D. Therefore, build the D as much as possible. Personally, I would not be surprised if they go with a DT (there is a very respectable crop) and have spencer Johnson lose 7-10 lbs and use him as a depth DE and move K. Williams to depth DT.

Also Mack and Gresham offer an immediate fix to our need with the 1st round pick. We could probably trade down and still get either player and build our depth through addition 2nd or 3rd round picks.

by Berg79 on Jan 3, 2009 5:57 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I voted DE in FA, then LB, TE, C in draft

I feel that if we could nab a veteran DE, and/or Center in FA, that would allow us to draft a stud LB in the 1st round, then TE in 2nd round, and then use picks 3,4,5 to fill in extra DT, DE and maybe another OL to start grooming at the interior position. I just love the idea of drafting a stud LB at #11, that can come in and play right away and be all over the field. Then if we get a healthy Schobel, a veteran DE, and have Chris Ellis and a 3-4th round DE, we will have a new wave of players there to help rush the passer. And along with our new LB, plus Mitchel and Poz, I think we would have a good group of blitzers to help us significantly improve our ability to get after the passer

MARVelous

by MARVelous on Jan 3, 2009 6:59 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Who is the DE you want the Bills to get in free agency? Also, something to think about is that Buffalo usually only has 4 DE roster slots. Schobel, Ellis, new free agent…that’s 3. Are you planning on letting Kelsay and Denney go and replace them with that 3rd or 4th round DE?

by Ron From NM on Jan 3, 2009 7:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

the Bills did keep 5 DEs this year with Schobel, Kelsay, Denney, Ellis and Bryan.

I’m not Marv, but Bertrand Berry is the one and only name who would be a really good signing and will actually have a good shot at making it to FA.

by kaisertown on Jan 3, 2009 9:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and

he looked amazing tonight which should bump his price up probably causing him to actually test the market.

Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.

by poz on Jan 3, 2009 9:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No, Bryan was on the roster from the get-go.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 3, 2009 11:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

well

Berry is the main guy on the list. Peppers and Suggs will most likely stay with their teams. Antonio Smith of the Cardinals is also a UFA. I want them to cut Kelsay but they won’t. If they do though, sign a guy like Berry or Smith then you have Schobel, Denney, new FA, Ellis. Then I believe you draft at #11 best LB available. That right there gives you 3 viable LB’s as blitzers, and Mitchell can then go play Weak Side where he is a great blitzer. I just don’t buy taking a DE at #11, cuz I don’t think that player can make enough of an impact as a rookie and with Jauron and company realizing it is playoffs or bust, I don’t think they will go that route in round 1 either

MARVelous

by MARVelous on Jan 5, 2009 11:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Marv, mitchell plays WLB now

personally if we got Aaron Curry in the draft I’d put Kawika at SLB over the TE.

by freddyjj on Jan 5, 2009 6:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I went LB--> C, DE, TE

I went with LB in FA because the caliber of player available there is ALOT higher than at the C, DE or TE positions right now, that may change in a couple of months but no gurantees.

IF I was running the Bills, I would in the draft target Mack and/or Unger as my top C prospect, trade back 5-8 picks, nail down another 2nd rounder and then pick which of Unger or Mack is left. Then I would aim to nail Jackson as my DE and then try and nail Coffman or Pettigrew (since Gresham would be gone long before then) with my 2nd of two 2nd rounders.

Now if only this gopher could play DE, we would be doing better, I mean, who couldn't play better than the corpse brothers Kelsay and Denney?

by WABillsfan on Jan 3, 2009 8:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Also, if I could I would get Jared Bronson in the 5th or 6th round this year

He is a TE from Central Washington and he had over 500 yards and 6 TDs and did that with only 28 receptions while missing 5 games due to injury. At 6-4 255 he is more than big enough to go up the seam and over the middle to lend Trent a hand, and as a late pick, he wouldn’t cost us much pick wise.

Now if only this gopher could play DE, we would be doing better, I mean, who couldn't play better than the corpse brothers Kelsay and Denney?

by WABillsfan on Jan 3, 2009 8:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What do you like about Tyson Jackson?

by kaisertown on Jan 3, 2009 9:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My top 3 DEs are

Hardy
Jackson
Selvie

None of them in any particular order, all of them would be upgrades over what we have now. In the current situation I could see Jackson falling quite far due to the fact he is not known for being a pass rusher, but he is a complete beast against the run. IF and I mean IF Selvie were to somehow come close the 2nd round I would be happy to trade up in that round to nail him.

I have way too many questions about alot of the other “top” DE prospects, most of them seem to have either injury or motivational issues, and we CANNOT afford to waste any roster spots with a motivational lacking player because we are not good enough of a team to get them to step up due to us not being an “elite” squad which can get someone like that to step up their games.

Now if only this gopher could play DE, we would be doing better, I mean, who couldn't play better than the corpse brothers Kelsay and Denney?

by WABillsfan on Jan 3, 2009 11:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jackson is perfect for a 3-4…..Doubt a 4-3 team would have any interest….

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by Kurupt on Jan 4, 2009 1:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I voted LB, then draft C, DE, LB. But...

LB – A couple FA OLB’s look intriguing. First is Dansby. I liked him before watching the Cards beat the Falcons today, and he was playing well all over the field.

6’4 250lbs Age 27 (and now some playoff experience)
2008:
G GS Total Solo Ast Sck SFTY PDef Int
16 16 119 95 24 4.0 — 5 2
Career: (5 seasons)
G Total Solo Ast Sck SFTY PDef Int
74 444 351 93 24.5 0 21 9

If the Bills don’t pursue him I’d go after LeRoy Hill OLB Seattle.

6’1 238lbs Age 26 (playoff experience)
2008:
G Total Solo Ast Sck SFTY PDef Int
12 84 63 21 1.0 — 3 —
Career: (4 seasons)
G Total Solo Ast Sck SFTY PDef Int
56 329 242 87 13.5 0 11 0

 He had 7.5 sacks his rookie season before they picked up Julian Peterson to take over blitzing duties.

Third on the list would be our own FA, Crowell

I’d like to hear that the Bills at least flirt with the idea of Suggs at DE, though I doubt OBD “thinks” they can afford him.

Draft: In the draft I’d like to see the Bills trade back a couple spots to pick up another later draft pick (that could be used to move back up at some point). I realize that’s often easier said than done though. I’d draft Mack first, but is a C worth the 11th pick? Hard to say, but I wouldn’t be opposed to seeing a DE drafted there instead. But if that’s the case, we def go C in the 2nd and hope 1 of the 2 top guys (Mack/Unger) are there.
In the 3rd we go pass-catching TE, or with a big DT. (I’d actually be ok with a large penetrating DT being taken at any point in the draft, but that’s another topic…)

Its hard to get a good grasp of the draft yet though, it’ll be interesting to see which underclassmen declare over the next month or so…

by BuffCrunch on Jan 3, 2009 8:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Suggs is interesting. If Wilson meant what he said that we need a talent upgrade suggs could do it in one shot. If Wilson feels he needs to make a splash for the fan base b/c he kept Mr. Mediocre then I hope Suggs is the guy. If they signed suggs and either Dansby, Hill, or Crowell then I would be relatively excited. However, I think they sign Berry (zona) to help the Dline and a lessor known LB.

If they get a DE and LB in FA, then I believe they could get a Center and TE in day 1. I think there are 3 center’s that rank very high, Mack, Unger and I believe some dude from Arkansas.

by Berg79 on Jan 3, 2009 9:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This has to be a record for most options in a poll question

Not just for Rumblings, but perhaps in SBNation history.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Jan 3, 2009 11:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Maybe in poll history

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by Kurupt on Jan 4, 2009 1:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So far...

15 people have voted to get a center in free agency and then address the other needs in the draft, 27 think Buffalo should target a DE in free agency, 15 say go after a LB in free agency and 13 want a free agent TE.

I’m kind of surprised at the number of people (a little over 1/3 of voters so far) who think Buffalo can take care of the DE via free agency or trade. The Bills have no chance to land Suggs or Peppers. My guess is that there will be fierce competition for the 2nd tier DEs on the market and that Buffalo loses out there, too. What’s almost as surprising is that 28 people (a littler over another 1/3) think Buffalo should take a DE in the 1st round. That’s just about 70% of voters who think Buffalo should make DE either the 1st or second priority.

That contrasts with the 15 people (about 20) who think Buffalo can address C in free agency. Add the 27 people who think Buffalo should take a first round C and you’ve got about 60 of us think C should be either the 1st or 2nd priority.

TE is lagging with 13 votes for free agency and 5 votes for a 1st round TE. LB doesn’t come in much higher with 15 hoping for a free agency solution and 8 wanting a 1st round LB.

It would seem that we’ve got a consensus regarding DE and C (in some order) as the top 2 needs, with LB and then TE bringing up the rear.

by Ron From NM on Jan 4, 2009 12:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

yes

2 biggest needs by far….

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by Kurupt on Jan 4, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I have a theory on that. Just a theory as we really don’t know.
With the elevation of Tom Modrak to the round table he now will have real influence on our direction. Before Levy he had input but little influence. In comes Marv and he listens to Tom more. Our drafts begin to improve. Then we get DJ and he likes the way Tom thinks. Tom’s influence grows and our drafts and FA moves look better. WIth the approval of Levy and DJ, Tom Modrak is now a full fledged member of the round table. He brings stability and a good football mind to the discussion. This is about time. Now we hear Chris Brown repeating the mantra for DE and C needs perhaps mirroring the thinking at OBD. There is little to criticize in our offseason moves recently. So I think the moves made before next season will be well thought out by Tom and more predictable. We’ll soon see.

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by keuka121 on Jan 4, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Just a question Keuka....

How do our FA moves look better now? They’ve all been mediocre pickups, maybe a little better than that in a few cases…

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by Kurupt on Jan 4, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Stroud is a keeper. Our O line needs conditioning and a swift kick. Mitchell was bigger and a perceived playmaker. Again hard to say how much influence Modrak has had in past years. But we are getting better. Just seems sometimes like the slow boat to China.

everything goes better with a BIG MACK

by keuka121 on Jan 4, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Also...

When it comes to free agents, they have to want to come here… Those poor draftees don’t have much of a choice.

by BuffCrunch on Jan 4, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sure they do

They can go get a real job.

by Ron From NM on Jan 4, 2009 6:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I bet they actually do see those as the 2 biggest needs. However, I don’t expect them to do a whole lot to remedy to the problem. We’ll probably get a 3rd round DE and a mid tier FA C ( at best). Personnel evaluation hasn’t been a strong suit for this FO….

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by Kurupt on Jan 4, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Am I being too much of an optimist here?

I’m hopeful that Modrak will help with more influence.

everything goes better with a BIG MACK

by keuka121 on Jan 4, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

History says, yes, you're being too optimistic

But history can change if people recognize it and do things differently…

by Ron From NM on Jan 4, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

of course

i’ll disagree and say TE is #1, with DE/C right behind. Look, we can fill all these needs, it is just which one are we going to brush under the rug with a robert royal signing?

MARVelous

by MARVelous on Jan 5, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think right now LB looks to be the easiest place to get an impact player compared to C and DE

TE is even worse than DE or C for bringing someone in. Thats why I voted the way I did, and unless some crazy stuff happens with teams and their potential big name guys in the next couple of months, I think we see DE and C 1-2 or 2-1 in the first two rounds of the draft come April. I think TE will be addressed only in the draft, and I think LB will get the FA and draft treament, and maybe another FA DT (Spencer Johnson type signing).

Now if only this gopher could play DE, we would be doing better, I mean, who couldn't play better than the corpse brothers Kelsay and Denney?

by WABillsfan on Jan 4, 2009 8:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't vote polls..

Like this because while there are needs on the team, but I don’t particularly care how they’re filled, just so long as they are…. But as the “offensive” person I am, my mantra would be the same as last year, and while our D made good improvement this year, it will never get over the hump so to speak, if our offense is inconsistent…. There is no help forthcoming if we have a dominant D, that only gives the ball back to an offense that can’t move the ball, or control the clock… That dominant D could only keep us in games, it takes a good O to win them… With that in my mind anyway, if not yours, here are my priorities…

Center!!!! No possible help from within.. Youth is the way to go.. along with a happy Peters, our line would be set for years…
Tight End… Fine might develop…Might!!! But Royal and Shouman are at best, #3 candidates… So a #1 or #2 is a must….
WR#2… If we upgrade at TE, I’d be willing to see how Hardy and Johnson develop.. Suffice to say however, we need some sort of major upgrade to our receiving corp…
FB… A real one, not some bumbling idiot off the streets…
On defense…
DE/OLB.. Help could come with the resigning of Crow, the development of Ellis, and the return of Schobel.. However, even with this, we still need help at DE due to our depth there, or lack thereof as well as Schobel’s age… If Crow is not signed, and Ellis falls flat, all bets are off…. Personally, I think Crow could help alot once healthy against the run, as well as on the blitz..
DT… Depth is needed, or a major wakeup from McCargo (yeah, right)..
Safety.. Whitner/Scott?? Whitner/Wilson?? Whendling/Wilson??? It won’t matter without a pass rush…

While every fiber of my being screams offense, OLB and/or DE jumps in right after our Center need if Crow and Ellis don’t pan out…But a DE for starter, or backup, is needed regardless.. Otherwise, OFFENSE folks… Again, it will do no good to upgrade our D further than this, if our OFFENSE goes 3 and out… The O will make the D better by default, keeping them off the field and fresh, as well as scoring more points….

by Cinga on Jan 4, 2009 3:56 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

They better not let Crowell walk

I am fed up of watching guys leave the Bills and then have success somewhere else. Today watching Jim Leonhard was hard, he was flying all over the place making plays. Why weren’t we able to get such production? Bad coaching? Poor scheme? All of the above?

Crowell is a great linebacker and there is no reason to let him walk away. He wants to stay and they better find a way to make it work!

Why wouldn’t the Bills be able to afford a guy like Suggs? Didn’t we overpay for Dockery? Schobel? Kelsay? At least with Suggs we’d be paying for an actual playmaker!

After watching Alex Mack in the Emerald Bowl on Dec 29, I remain convinced that he is the missing link that we need on our O-Line and I won’t be disappointed if we use our #11 pick to get him. I am also pretty sure that Giorgia Tech’s Micheal Johnson would be a good fit in Buffalo and he will probably slide into the second round. And Wisconsin’s Travis Beckum is a pass-catching TE that is very likely to fall into round 3

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by keysh67 on Jan 4, 2009 11:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Cash to cap

I think I read somewhere on Rumblings that Buffalo has something like $29 million in cap room this offseason. I also think that Buffalo tends to take signing bonus cap hits in the first year of the contract. If both of these things are true it will be difficult to sign Suggs, a guy who will almost certainly be entertaining offers with enormous signing bonuses. There are several guys on the roster (see my earlier UFA and RFA posts and polls) that Buffalo should extend, which will eat into that $29 million. Yes, there will still be quite a large chunk left after locking up the guys already on the roster but I doubt there will be enough to pick up a guy like Suggs.

by Ron From NM on Jan 5, 2009 8:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well they officially have 29 mil in cap space according to the NFL, the Bills might think they have much more to spend because of the cash to cap strategy. All the signing bonuses that Buffalo has given out in years past are partially counting against the official cap number, but the Bills won’t brass won’t count that in their cash to cap because it has already been paid off.

The Bills use real dollars, so they already have a dollar amount that they want to spend on players going into next season. The Bills will basically subtract what they have to pay in last years bonuses, this years salary and what it will take to sign all the rookies from that number that they want to spend this season. You then add any money that they had to spend last year, but didn’t and you have the amount of money the Bills FO can spend this offseason in real dollars (signing bonuses +first year of new contract salaries). I REALLY wish we could find out what that number is going to be. The salary cap might as well not exist according to the Bills and it is really a pretty brilliant way to go about offseason spending.

by kaisertown on Jan 5, 2009 10:08 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Today watching Jim Leonhard was hard, he was flying all over the place making plays. Why weren’t we able to get such production? Bad coaching? Poor scheme? All of the above?

The answer to that one is easy: lack of a pass rush in Buffalo. Leonhard looked good because he wasn’t making the plays; his pass-rushing, ultra-talented teammates were. All Leonhard had to do was not screw up.

Crowell is a great linebacker and there is no reason to let him walk away.

Being an occasional playmaker on an average-to-mediocre defense does not make one a “great” anything.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 5, 2009 6:33 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I’ll also add that Baltimore doesn’t really rely on their safeties for much run support so any tackles that Leonhard makes are downfield a little bit and that is something that Bills fans would probably criticize him for, but in Baltimore it is usually Bart Scott or Jarret Johnson or somebody else who screwed up if Leonhard is making a tackle 7 yards downfield on a run play.

by kaisertown on Jan 5, 2009 10:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You are consistent my friend!

Brian I expected those comments from you. I know that you are not a Crowell fan.

Funny how you didn’t comment on the rest of my post?

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by keysh67 on Jan 5, 2009 7:58 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Funny? I try not to repeat myself as often as possible, and I’m pretty sure you’re already well aware of my opinions on drafting Mack at #11. :)

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 5, 2009 9:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

C’mon Brian you can do better than that… You willfully repeated yourself on the Crowell issue! BTW I agree with your statement regarding Leonhard, playing on such a top notch defense is probably what makes him look so good.

Did you see the Cal game? If so, were you not impressed by the way he completely dominates the DT’s lined up in front of him?

What about Micheal Johnson or Travis Beckum – no opinion?

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by keysh67 on Jan 5, 2009 9:29 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Of course I’m impressed with Mack! He’s a very good player. Philosophically, I just think it’s a bad idea to take a center at #11 overall. As I’ve repeated over and over, if the Bills were to trade down, I’d be much higher on making Mack our first round pick.

I don’t like either Johnson or Beckum. I don’t like the way Johnson fits into our scheme, nor do I like his college production much. Beckum would be OK, I guess, but I’m rather smitten with OU’s Gresham.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 5, 2009 9:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Gresham

can’t wait to watch him on thurs night. I would be absolutely stoked if we took him at #11

MARVelous

by MARVelous on Jan 5, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Philosophically, I just think it’s a bad idea to take a center at #11 overall.

I would have no problem taking a center at #11, as long as he is the best player available. This draft is almost as deep as last years draft. The Bills need a center but that doesn’t mean that they should reach for one.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Jan 5, 2009 10:49 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

That’s kind of my point. Unless there’s a center prospect that can block four defensive linemen while giving the quarterback a hamstring massage at the same time, it’s almost guaranteed that there will be 11 guys better than him in a given draft. Center is obviously an important position, but it’s not a position that routinely changes games. The Bills need a game-changer at #11.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 5, 2009 11:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

a game changer that specializes in ruining opponents quarterbacks day.

center we will get in 2nd or even FA prior – we must use 11 on game changer that will hopefully be a DE or pass rushing LB. regardless – getting pressure on quarterback more important than center

Maybe now you'll never slime a guy with a positron collider

by J2 on Jan 5, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Buffalo's centers are game changers

In the first 14 games (I have yet to get to the last 2), Preston and Fowler combined to kill17.5 of 156 (11.2%) of drives. The Bills averaged just under 11 possessions per game. In other words, the center position killed (slightly more than) one possession every game in 2008. Think of all of the close games that the Bills might have won with one more successful possession, not only this year but in past couple of seasons. Don’t underestimate how much of an impact a stud center can have.

Personally, I won’t complain a bit if the Bills take a center at #11 if he turns out to be a stalwart for the next decade. A center could have as much of an impact as a pass rushing DE or pass catching TE.

by Ron From NM on Jan 5, 2009 7:57 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I am with you,

Unless we get one in FA, we need a stud Center to start on day one. Waiting for one in the second round is high risk. I was reading some posts on the Viking site, and they seem to think the Vikes will part with Birk rather than pay him a huge contract due to his age. IMO that means the Vikes take a center or QB in round 1. Chidress seems married to Jackson plus they drafted Booty last year, so it very well could be center.

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by Joe P. on Jan 5, 2009 9:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Go Linebacker

This is a stellar year for good Linebackers in the first 15-20 picks. You have 3 studs in Maulaga, Aaron Curry from Wake Forest, and Brandon Spikes from Florida. Their talent is exceptional compared to the crop of Defensive Ends. Everette Brown is probably the only end who could be possible Pro Bowler, but he is small at 250lbs.
Besides that, Michael Johnson from Georgia Tech is 6’7, plays upright, and doesn’t even play on running plays.
Not a good year in the draft for defensive ends.

by BuffaloWhiner on Jan 5, 2009 2:24 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Brian...........

I heard u say that Leonard was making plays because of a PASS RUSH!!! IMAGINE THAT!!

The Bills first offseason priority should be a DE in FA. Everyone knows I love Canty. After they sign Canty in FA, I would draft a LB in the first round. (Prefer a USC LB). Then, how about trading back into the late first round and nabbing either Grisham at TE or Mack at C. I really wouldn’t mind adding depth at DE in the draft either. Our pass rush is horrible!!

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by Cutter3636 on Jan 7, 2009 11:47 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

How is Canty a guy that solves our pass rush issues? He has 10 sacks in 4 years, just 3 this year, and is a 3-4 defensive end. If he came to Buffalo, he’d be a tackle.

We need a 4-3 DE. Canty just doesn’t fit here, and to boot, Dallas won’t let him go anywhere.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 7, 2009 12:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Canty?

Seriously?

That guy is a 3-4 DE and provides nothing in terms of pass rush. I have no idea how he’d help us….

~K
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by Kurupt on Jan 7, 2009 11:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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