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Potential Bills: OLB Karlos Dansby


Dansby should be highly-coveted LB (AZcentral.com)

During the process of identifying the Buffalo Bills' biggest positional needs, the Buffalo Rumblings community nearly unanimously listed a pass-rushing defensive end as the one spot where the Bills most desperately needed an upgrade. Tight end, center and linebacker closely followed. We have already begun the process of profiling potential Bills free agents; for reference now and in the future, all of these profiles will be available at this link.

With the NFL's free agent signing period set to begin less than one month from today (midnight on February 27), we here at Rumblings are amidst the process of profiling several top-notch free agents that the community has identified as worthy of donning the red, white and blue in 2009. Even after signing LB Kawika Mitchell as an unrestricted free agent last off-season, the Bills still have a need for an athletic playmaker at outside linebacker (especially since Angelo Crowell's return is unlikely). Arizona's Karlos Dansby is just such a player - a big, athletic, hard-hitting athlete that's been known to make some spectacular plays throughout in his career. In case you missed it, Dansby is currently captaining a Cardinals defense that has surprisingly helped vault Arizona to Super Bowl XLIII. How likely is it that the Cardinals, even if they lose in the Super Bowl this coming Sunday, let their defensive captain go? That's what we're here to find out.

Karlos Dansby
Age 27 at start of 2009 season
6'4", 250 pounds
5-year NFL veteran out of Auburn

With LB Angelo Crowell an unrestricted free agent and likely on his way out of Buffalo (despite his recent public comments), the Bills will once again be searching for an outside linebacker to play in front of the often-overmatched Keith Ellison. With several viable options available at outside linebacker this year, Arizona's Dansby should be the most coveted, as he is the most versatile of this year's crop, and he's also the best playmaker. In five seasons, Dansby has sacked, tackled and intercepted his way to becoming one of the NFL's most underrated linebackers.

I'm no authority on the Cardinals, but Hawkwind of Revenge of the Birds most certainly is. SB Nation's Cardinals blogger took some time out of his Super Bowl partying preparations to give us a little insight on Dansby and his upcoming free agency. Take it away, Hawkwind...

On Dansby's potential price tag
"The rub with Dansby is that he saw his buddy, Calvin Pace, get money whipped last year and he wants a piece of that action. He'll likely hold out for a slightly bigger contract than Pace got from the Jets, which amounted to 6 years for $42 million with $22 million guaranteed. That's an awfully big lump to swallow, but that's the price of a defensive playmaker these days."

On Dansby's on-field qualities
"Dansby's an athletic linebacker in the prime of his career. His 2008 campaign was the best season of his career with 119 tackles, 4 sacks and 2 picks. He's versatile enough to play inside in a 3-4 or any of the spots in a 4-3 and he's athletic enough to be an above average pass rusher while still being quite effective in coverage. The only knock I'd put on him is that he can get lost in traffic at times and has some trouble shedding blocks. Others have said that they think he takes series, quarters or even games 'off,' but that's never a theory that I subscribed to. He's not a tier 1 LB like Ray Lewis or Brian Urlacher, but he's at the very top of that second tier, in my opinion."

On Arizona's interest in re-signing Dansby
"If you ask me, Dansby should be priority #1 this off season for the Cardinals (yes, that includes Kurt Warner). If you're scratching your head right now, just know that the Cardinals don't have a 'starting caliber' linebacker to take Dansby's spot if he leaves, and they certainly don't have a guy who can play at a borderline-Pro Bowl level. At least in Warner's case, they've got Matt Leinart waiting in the wings if Warner retires or signs elsewhere... The Cardinals' success this season has certainly helped their chances (of re-signing him), but they'll still have to pony up some serious dough to keep him, because he is going to test the free agent waters."

Does Dansby "Fit the Bill"?
If I'm asking myself that question, I'm going with no. Undoubtedly, adding Dansby to Buffalo's defense would work well - he's got the size and athleticism to handle tight ends in coverage, and he's versatile enough to flip-flop with Kawika Mitchell to the weak side as well. That kind of versatility would be a huge asset to defensive coordinator Perry Fewell. And, obviously, adding someone who can, you know, make plays would be outstanding as well. But with OT Jason Peters expecting a new contract and needs at so many other positions, it would be a bit too difficult to shell out $20+ million in guarantees to one player - particularly with other solid options available at the linebacker position. Linebacker is an area that the Bills should look to address through free agency, in my opinion, but the team might be biting off more than it can chew if it seriously pursues Dansby. There are more economical ways to go about filling our needs.

Still... man, would he look good in a Bills uniform. Any thoughts on Dansby that you'd like to add? Take a gander at his stat line below, vote in the poll, and let's talk about Karlos Dansby this afternoon. Many thanks to Hawkwind for the valuable insight!

Cardinals LB Karlos Dansby
Year G Tk Sk INT FF PD
2004 15 61 5.0 1 1 5
2005 15 89 4.0 3 2 5
2006 14 82 8.0 0 2 3
2007 4 99 3.5 3 4 8
2008 16 119 4.0 2 2 5
TOT 74 450 24.5 9 11 26
Poll
Hypothetical Dansby contract demands: 5 years, $40 million, $20 million guaranteed. Is that too high a price tag for the Bills considering their wide array of needs?
Yes
219 votes
No
140 votes

359 votes | Poll has closed

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Why do you think it is such a long shot to resign Angelo? IMHO, his comments are indicative of a guy who knows he made a mistake, and he is willing to swallow his pride for a year or 2 . I’ll take a relative drop off in production vs. a huge hit to the cap.

Besides, we gotta a lot of whales to fry this off season, so lets keep the guppy…

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by MonStarr_716 on Jan 30, 2009 1:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I don't think the Bills are too high on Crowell.

From what I have heard they really dislike his choices this past offseason. They put the Bills in a bad spot and even before that there was rumblings (get it?) that the Bills were less than thrilled with his decision-making and mental capacity.

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by MattRichWarren on Jan 30, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He would be awesome, but...

I’d rather that money be spent on the front line, if it must be spent.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 30, 2009 1:59 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

At that price, Dansby doesn't make sense.

Do you think he can provide enough production in this defense to justify that kind of money? I don’t. THat would take about a third of the money the Bills have under the cap right now. Peters and Jackson will liekly take another third or so. So now we have problems. I think a mid-level LB could fit in nicely. Just look what Keith Ellison did this year in that spot. The worst thing in the world would not be putting him back in as the starter but they could certainly upgrade.

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by MattRichWarren on Jan 30, 2009 2:06 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Just look what Keith Ellison did this year in that spot.

what exactly did he do? because I certainly didn’t see much at all. unless you count a guy that can’t shed blocks or make any “playmaker” plays. other than that – yeah…he’s solid……i guess

Maybe now you'll never slime a guy with a positron collider

by J2 on Jan 30, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

haha seriously

Keith Ellison stinks. Just because he started doesn’t mean he was any good.

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by Kurupt on Jan 30, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I love the caption on your new avatar – “1 tackle vs Dolphins” – that about sums up his career

Maybe now you'll never slime a guy with a positron collider

by J2 on Jan 30, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That’s why I took a screen grab involving something. I think that’s about as bad as they’d show, so I couldn’t have found a more fitting stat for him…

~K
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by Kurupt on Jan 30, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Considering that tackles are an unofficial statistic,

can we be sure that he even made “1 tackle vs Dolphins”? He probably just leaned on a pile at the end of a play.

Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.

by Fort Worth on Jan 30, 2009 3:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

actually he was probably just helping someone up from being on the ground and obstructed the stat takers view which then credited him for the one tackle in error

Maybe now you'll never slime a guy with a positron collider

by J2 on Jan 30, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, Yes and Yes

Dansby should be targeted as a “blue chip” offseason move by the Bills. Dansby is a linebacker who has been in the league for 5 years and he now has postseason and super bowl experience. He is only 27 and in the prime of his career. He has awesome stats on a VERY mediocre defense and the players he lines up next to aren’t anything special.

Bottom line the Bills need an upgrade over Ellison IMMEDIATELY. I told my father last year when Crowell went down that the Bills defense went from VERY GOOD to VERY SUB PAR. I also stated that they would be lucky to go 8-8. Look what happened. He did however give me a very hard time when they were 5-0.

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by Cutter3636 on Jan 30, 2009 3:23 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

5-1 was so awesome. I can't believe how long ago it feels

Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.

by poz on Jan 30, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It has been a while

but finally, you and I agree on a free agent Brian! I too would love Dansby but he has the potential to be one of the top 3 most expensive free agents this off-season. With linebacker being something we could fill more prudently through the draft, the return of Crowell, or a cheaper FA, I think Dansby is best left alone. With our cap space I would like to get 2 or 3 free agents.

There is only one free agent I wouldn’t mind spending all of our dough on….ALBERT HAYNESWORTH. Defensive tackle isn’t high on my needs list like the rest of you but I just can’t help loving the idea of Stroud and Haynesworth. Of course, it won’t happen, but if we do go for one superstar deal, I would rather it be Haynesworth than Dansby.

Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.

by poz on Jan 30, 2009 3:59 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

If it could work out would you rather draft Raji and sign Dansby? Or Sign Haynesworth and draft a DE?

by Buffalonian on Jan 30, 2009 8:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

depends on the DE..... if it were Brown, then option B.

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by Joe P. on Jan 30, 2009 8:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Your high on Brown then? I can’t decide if I like Brown or Orakpo. I guess my point is free agency is obviously going to be very telling on what positions we pursue in the draft. But conversely if they are sold on an end and think he will be available to them, does it in turn effect free agency?

by Buffalonian on Jan 30, 2009 8:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I am not high on either one,

I would pass on DE in the 1st round, preferring to trade down for Mack. But in the spirit of your question, I didn’t want to muddy the waters.

Free Agency sets up the draft, IMO. I think they will try for FAs at DE, C, DT, and WR for sure. If we could get take care of our need at center with Brown from the Ravens and our need at DT with Haynesworth, it would set up our draft board to draft our top rated player at DE or LB.

Teach your children about the four seasons: preseason, regular season, postseason, and off-season

by Joe P. on Jan 30, 2009 8:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I would perfer

signing Haynesworth and Orakpo. I honestly have no real reason but I can’t seem to get high on Everette. Something about him gives me a bad feeling.

Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.

by poz on Jan 30, 2009 9:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bad feeling

about the successive DE busts from Florida State like Reinard Wilson, Andre Wadsworth, Jamal Reynolds, and Alonzo Jackson?

Or that many of his sacks came when he had favorable matchups versus slow RT’s or OG’s rather than versus good LT’s?

Or that he did not attract double-teams; opponents were content to leave him single-blocked?

Or that his spin move creates a natural hole in the defense for running backs to run through, a la Dwight Freeney?

Or that he doesn’t display on tape enough core functional football playing strength to defend the run?

Or that his arms aren’t long enough to extend blockers, shed, tip passes, or to help make big plays (sacks, forced fumbles, etc.)?

Or that he doesn’t remind you of Bruce Smith or Mario Williams?

Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.

by Fort Worth on Jan 30, 2009 10:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Everette Brown was doubled all season, except for a handful of games where he ended up dominating. That’s according to our FSU blogger….

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by Kurupt on Jan 31, 2009 1:27 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

haha

fantastic response! Thank you Ft. Worth, for the reasons for me to back up that feeling!

Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.

by poz on Jan 31, 2009 2:11 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

#11 overall needs to be a special player.

All strengths and weaknesses will need to be evaluated before a player is given consideration. I’m not saying that I don’t like Everette Brown. It was just a convenient opportunity to provide some examples of how closely these prospects will be under the microscope and nitpicked to death.

Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.

by Fort Worth on Jan 31, 2009 3:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Very interesting.

We recently discussed the 4-3 “Under” Defense, and now we are discussing Karlos Dansby. Here is a read on a little of both:

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/Features/Super+Bowl/2008/wwhi013009.htm

Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.

by Fort Worth on Jan 30, 2009 4:35 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Im down with Dansby.........if Crow doesnt come back......

I say if we can get Crow back for cheaper than what it would take for Dansby to come here…..then I’ll be fine with Crow too.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 30, 2009 5:41 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I had know idea that Dansby was so injury prone. I really like this guy, but I’m not sure that I would want to spend this much money on a guy who has only played one full season his 5 as a pro. Food for thought.

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by sireric on Jan 30, 2009 5:46 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Guy wants to much, and we have too many holes to fill in our plot of land

We need to patch those holes in a sensible manner, and Crowell along with Leroy Hill (now with drug charges!) are both viable starters and would come at a much cheaper price. Why not get almost the same production for alot less cash?

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by WABillsfan on Jan 30, 2009 6:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Just an observation

but you guys really seem to love cardinals and ravens players, most of which are pipe dreams (suggs and dansby). now don’t get me wrong, buffalo needs help on the offensive line and a new middle lb (poz would be much better on the trong side).

lets face it, if the cards head office has any brains at all they’re going to make Dansby the face of their defence for a very long time. plus i don’t think dansby is the player we’re looking for, too expensive and not the type of player we’re looking for.

if you asked me the guy we should go hard after is Bart Scott of the ravens (ok i like the ravens’ D too). he’d be a terrific play making middle linebaker and be can move Poz to the strong side. our LB’s would be set for the next few years. then you sign a pass rushing DE, draft orakpo in the first and Mack in the second and we just did a lot to improve the team.

by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 31, 2009 12:36 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

sorry i ment the bills need help on the d line… hell they need help on both

by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 31, 2009 12:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

but you guys really seem to love cardinals and ravens players, most of which are pipe dreams (suggs and dansby).

Haha. I was wondering if someone would catch that. Hope you continue to like Cards and Ravens players, because we’ve got Bart Scott, Antonio Smith and potentially Dwan Edwards (a guy I added to the FA list myself) to talk about as well.

The reason we’re leading off with Ravens and Cards players? The Ravens and Cards bloggers were the first guys to respond to my inquiries. Everyone else has responded now, too, so we’ll have a little more variety coming up next week. :)

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 31, 2009 8:29 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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