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Why do so many Bills fans want a TE in round 1

I do not understand!  It makes no sense at all.  Do fans really think a TE will be that much of a difference maker?  It doesnt make sense to me to take, of all positions needed, a TE in round 1 for the Bills.  I mean, look.  2 of the best TE's in football now were not even drafted that high.  Jason Witten, 2003 third round, Gates, 2003 free agent. 

I guess my thoughts are this.  If you cant put an offensive and defensive line on the field that will where teams down, then what good is drafting a TE do for you?  My theory is that if we cant keep our QB protected then it doesnt matter what WR, TE or RB on the field, we will not be able to move the ball. 

How about signing a serviceable, experienced, play making defensive end in free agency and then do the following.

Round 1 - Draft BJ Raji out of Boston College to team with Stroud on the D-line and allow Kyle Williams to be a backup.  This will create a dominant interior line that we need to create interior pass rush and run stuffers at the same time.  Raji is a load who has the quickness like Stroud to get in the backfield.  This will also free up our average ends to get to the QB. 

Round 2 - Draft Rashad Johnson (Safety) out of Alabama to help our lack of play making safeties in the secondary.  This guy will be good for a long time in the NFL.  He's smart and an exciting play making safety.

Round 3 - Draft Eric Wood (Louisville) or Antoine Caldwell (Alabama) at center.  Either of these guys will step right in as the starter in my opinion.  Both durable and very talented at the center position.  Something we very much lack.

If you you Bills fans still want a TE, then draft the likes of a Davon Drew (East Carolina) in maybe Round 5 or 6.  He is a very good blocker who has learned to be an above average pass catching TE.  He was the leading receiver on a pretty bad East Carolina team.

This is my opinion.  Quite long winded to explain that a TE is NOT needed in Round 1.

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Personally, I don't want a TE in round 1

btw. you named the two exceptions to the general rule of successful NFL TEs. Witten and Gates are freaks.

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by MattRichWarren on Jan 31, 2009 5:00 PM EST reply actions  

They are exceptions to the rule, yes, but, my point being

That a TE in round 1 is a horrible way to go for a team with so many draft needs. I gave those 2 as examples because I could go on all day to show you all the TE’s drafted in Round 1 that have done nothing to help their teams. Actually I will name a few….
Kellen Winslow
Jerramy Stevens
Todd Heap
Marcedes Lewis
Jeremy Shockey
Vernon Davis

Thats to name a few. So, again, why draft a TE in the first round?

by Hambone on Jan 31, 2009 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Shockey was a 4x Pro Bowler and Rookie of the Year who caught 20 more passes in his first 5 years than Lee Evans has despite being a TE and missing 11 games.

Todd Heap has averaged almost 50 receptions a year and in years where he hasn’t missed a majority of the season to injury has averaged 5 TDs. Also a 2x Pro Bowler.

Kellen Winslow is a Pro Bowler who, in the 2 seasons where he played 16 games, caught 82 and 89 passes. The Bills have only had a WR catch 89+ passes in a season 3 times in their entire history.

So cross them off your list.

by twoeightnine on Jan 31, 2009 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

they don't change the way teams play against them

none of the TE you just mentioned scare any Ds, sorry. they guys are good but not great, but they do not put Ws at the end of the day.

by pastj12345 on Feb 1, 2009 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Dude I would kill for Todd Heap

I would want Davis and Winslow and Shockey in Madden when their attitude is out of the picture….

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 1, 2009 8:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Todd Heap?

If you look up high ankle sprain in a medical journal, you will find his picture.

I've been feeling Buffalo ill.

by ChipShot on Feb 1, 2009 9:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I should have said "Would have killed"

now he is injury-prone but he was a force for a while.

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 1, 2009 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't totally agree with not drafting a TE in any cirumstance

If all the quality d-lineman and offensive lineman were taken, or if the bills didn’t have any wholes at the offensive or defensive line positions, I wouldn’t be totally opposed to taking a TE. However, in this years case, I do not think the Bills should take a TE.

Dick Jauron is a very good if not great coach, Duke Preston isn't that bad he's actually good , Paul Poslusnzy is in the correct position, Trent Edwards is "the answer", draft picks such as John McCargo, JP Losman, and Donte Whitner set this organization back a couple years, the Bills will draft a defensive lineman in the 2009 NFL draft, the Bills will make the playoffs in 2009.

All those who think I'm wrong are entitled to their opinions, but should take accountability for their mistakes if they are wrong. As I will take accountability if I am wrong.

by buffaloboy90 on Feb 3, 2009 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ll get rid of it

Dick Jauron is a very good if not great coach, Duke Preston isn't that bad he's actually good , Paul Poslusnzy is in the correct position, Trent Edwards is "the answer", draft picks such as John McCargo, JP Losman, and Donte Whitner set this organization back a couple years, the Bills will draft a defensive lineman in the 2009 NFL draft, the Bills will make the playoffs in 2009.

All those who think I'm wrong are entitled to their opinions, but should take accountability for their mistakes if they are wrong. As I will take accountability if I am wrong.

by buffaloboy90 on Feb 4, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that all of the “TE in Round 1” talk has been put to rest for some time now. In particular, it’s died down since Oklahoma’s Jermaine Gresham decided to return to school for his senior season.

In my opinion, there’s only one time you take a tight end in round one: when that player is a special athlete. Gresham, I believe, is that type of player. No tight end that will be available to select this April fits that description.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 31, 2009 5:22 PM EST reply actions  

Greshem was the only guy for number 11

now if we were at 29 or something, maybe,.

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by MattRichWarren on Jan 31, 2009 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I completely agree with Brian here

Dick Jauron is a very good if not great coach, Duke Preston isn't that bad he's actually good , Paul Poslusnzy is in the correct position, Trent Edwards is "the answer", draft picks such as John McCargo, JP Losman, and Donte Whitner set this organization back a couple years, the Bills will draft a defensive lineman in the 2009 NFL draft, the Bills will make the playoffs in 2009.

All those who think I'm wrong are entitled to their opinions, but should take accountability for their mistakes if they are wrong. As I will take accountability if I am wrong.

by buffaloboy90 on Feb 3, 2009 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

As I will take accountability if I am wrong.

And exactly how do you plan to do that?

Teach your children about the four seasons: preseason, regular season, postseason, and off-season

by Joe P. on Feb 3, 2009 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Post that I was wrong and explain why

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by buffaloboy90 on Feb 4, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess we have different definitions for accountability

IMO, being held accountable means there are consequences. You have to lose something valuable like money, job, standing in the community, jail time, etc. If we rated posters, then you could be held accountable (not advocating that we do). Thankfully for me, we don’t keep score here.

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by Joe P. on Feb 4, 2009 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Thankfully we don't posters

I’d hate to see my rating…

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by Kurupt on Feb 5, 2009 12:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Ummm, I was only on board if we filled our holes at C, DE, and LB in FA

And Gresham was available for us at #11, since he ditched on this years draft, I want a C, DE or LB with our Round 1 pick, all of which are places of need. We can get a pure pass catcher in rounds 2-4 with guys like Coffman, Bronson, and Drew are much more sensible picks.

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by WABillsfan on Jan 31, 2009 6:49 PM EST reply actions  

I like Pettigrew and I am not saying you take him at 11 no matter what, but he is a viable option. As for Wood or Caldwell, I doubt either last until the 3rd round.

by billsfan69 on Jan 31, 2009 8:31 PM EST reply actions  

ORAKPO round 1, mack (or which ever is the best center left) round 2, receiving tight end round 3

by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 31, 2009 9:23 PM EST reply actions  

I want a TE in the first round.

I admit it. Why? Because I don’t want to hear again that we got the “most complete tight end in the draft” in the 4th round, another Derek Fine. If Pettigrew truly stands apart from the rest of the TEs in the draft and we are unable to trade down, we need to get him. He won’t make it to the end of round one.

The other reason is that if we have a true stretch-the-field weapon at the TE position, then we eliminate the need for another WR. We take care of two needs with one selection.

I've been feeling Buffalo ill.

by ChipShot on Feb 1, 2009 9:04 AM EST reply actions  

From what

did Pettigrew show that he is the “true stretch-the-field weapon at TE position”? How many TDs had he caught in college? Just because he is physically gifted at 6’6" doesn’t automatically mean he is a good receiver.

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by moncheri on Feb 1, 2009 9:36 AM EST up reply actions  

true stretch-the-field weapon at the TE position

I don’t think Pettigrew has the speed to be a true stretch the field weapon. Let’s not get carried away and think he would be antonio gates. I think Pettigrew could be a pretty good player, but I don’t support drafting him with our first round pick.

Dick Jauron is a very good if not great coach, Duke Preston isn't that bad he's actually good , Paul Poslusnzy is in the correct position, Trent Edwards is "the answer", draft picks such as John McCargo, JP Losman, and Donte Whitner set this organization back a couple years, the Bills will draft a defensive lineman in the 2009 NFL draft, the Bills will make the playoffs in 2009.

All those who think I'm wrong are entitled to their opinions, but should take accountability for their mistakes if they are wrong. As I will take accountability if I am wrong.

by buffaloboy90 on Feb 3, 2009 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Does anyone else not know anything about Johnson (the safety from Alabama)- I mean, I think I watched one Alabama game all year and wasn’t watching for the sake of draft knowledge (I liked watching them lose to Utah). Is he really that good, or does he have potential and we could grab him Day 2-ish?

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by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Feb 1, 2009 12:19 PM EST reply actions  

FYI on Johnson from Alabama

I named him in my initial post as a round 2 draft pick. He will not last until day 2. He is very impressive.

by Hambone on Feb 4, 2009 5:40 AM EST up reply actions  

if were goin for a round 1 te

we might as well try and get owen daniels from houston. Hes proven himself an outstanding te. It would not be a gamble and we were already goin to use the first pick on a te so why not?

by billsstein on Feb 1, 2009 1:55 PM EST reply actions  

Eh, i don't know about that

I like Owen Daniels, but i’m not willing to cough up the money for him. I’de rather the Bills spend money resigning players such as Jason Peters and Jabari Greer. I think Derek Fine is good enough to play tight end for the Bills.

Dick Jauron is a very good if not great coach, Duke Preston isn't that bad he's actually good , Paul Poslusnzy is in the correct position, Trent Edwards is "the answer", draft picks such as John McCargo, JP Losman, and Donte Whitner set this organization back a couple years, the Bills will draft a defensive lineman in the 2009 NFL draft, the Bills will make the playoffs in 2009.

All those who think I'm wrong are entitled to their opinions, but should take accountability for their mistakes if they are wrong. As I will take accountability if I am wrong.

by buffaloboy90 on Feb 3, 2009 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

im just saying

that if theyre willing to take a chance on a college kid thats proven nothing might as well trade their first round pick or pick up an ufa and give up their first round pick rather than use it in the draft on a te

by billsstein on Feb 4, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Raji? at 11

I understand Buffalo’s need for a DT as well as anyone but after watching Raji’s performance in the senior bowl , i saw to many time him getting caught in hand fights and stale mates three yards back with linebackers by centers (Wood and Caldwell) that everyone here has said are third or fourth round material. And as for TE in the first round, there isnt one that Buffalo should take, when they could go into free agency and adress the need with a guy who has been in the league before. Mack or Orakpo are the best fit for this pick. Or mayb even trading to 15-20 to pick up some more draft picks…

by danntheman on Feb 1, 2009 11:23 PM EST reply actions  

Raji played well at Senior Bowl

Raji was perhaps the most praised player at the senior bowl by all the reports I have seen. Mack and Orakpo are very talented players, I wouldn’t be opposed to drafting either one of them. I would love to trade Dockery and draft Mack.

Right now, I support draft the following players with our first pick:

1. Everette Brown
2. B.J. Raji
3. Alex Mack
4. Brian Orakpo
5. Peria Jerry

The order i’m not exactly sure, it depends what we do in free agency. Offensive and Defensive lineman are crucial. I think Dockery has to go, he has far underperformed.

Dick Jauron is a very good if not great coach, Duke Preston isn't that bad he's actually good , Paul Poslusnzy is in the correct position, Trent Edwards is "the answer", draft picks such as John McCargo, JP Losman, and Donte Whitner set this organization back a couple years, the Bills will draft a defensive lineman in the 2009 NFL draft, the Bills will make the playoffs in 2009.

All those who think I'm wrong are entitled to their opinions, but should take accountability for their mistakes if they are wrong. As I will take accountability if I am wrong.

by buffaloboy90 on Feb 3, 2009 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

In practices he was.

But in the actual game he was a non-factor.

by twoeightnine on Feb 3, 2009 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn’t watch the game. So, I all just have to take your word for it.

Dick Jauron is a very good if not great coach, Duke Preston isn't that bad he's actually good , Paul Poslusnzy is in the correct position, Trent Edwards is "the answer", draft picks such as John McCargo, JP Losman, and Donte Whitner set this organization back a couple years, the Bills will draft a defensive lineman in the 2009 NFL draft, the Bills will make the playoffs in 2009.

All those who think I'm wrong are entitled to their opinions, but should take accountability for their mistakes if they are wrong. As I will take accountability if I am wrong.

by buffaloboy90 on Feb 4, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I Agree!

Just look at the teams in the playoffs and none of them, especially Arizona had a stud Tight End. If anything, the Cardinals have two stud receiver’s in Boldin and Fitzgerald that can stretch the field. But of course, it seems difficult to predict the best receiver’s and which one’s that will not be busts. I like Crabtree and Hakeem Nicks from Carolina.
- BJ Raji actually looked very good in practices during the Senior Bowl, and his stock has risen. Green Bay is rumored to draft him before Bills will get a shot. Mack is probably one of the best centers to come out in awhile, his stock rose during Senior Bowl, but centers are rarely taken as the #11 pick. I still think you win from the inside out and would rather see the Bills address the defensive line.

by BuffaloWhiner on Feb 2, 2009 9:01 AM EST reply actions  

Just look at the teams in the playoffs and none of them, especially Arizona had a stud Tight End.

Yeah, I definitely think that Pittsburgh and Heath Miller would take some exception to that, friend. Miller is very good. And yeah, he was a first round pick. I believe he was the #30 overall selection…

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 2, 2009 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

so your saying

we should trade down for a TE?

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by Joe P. on Feb 2, 2009 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL no…

I don’t really have an opinion until free agency is over. I’m trying to keep an open mind right now, because we have a lot of needs and there are a lot of good players available in the draft. The Jason Peters situation could create another need for us as well.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 2, 2009 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Brian would you say If that situation isn’t even being attended to at this point, it’s safe to assume they’re looking to move on without him? But this team is really disfunctional.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 2, 2009 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

There’s no reason to think it isn’t being attended to, and I don’t think it’s time yet to assume anything on the Peters front. We’re still in the very early stages of free agency.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 2, 2009 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I’d say the Bills are actually late to the Peters party.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 2, 2009 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

I haven't heard of any contracts being signed yet...

no suggs, ray lewis, etc. so I don’t think they’re late.

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 2, 2009 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Peters deserved a deal last season. Now, it’ll cost the team more because of his accolades this past season.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 2, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd say it's not being attented to right now...

But I don’t think that’s it’s Buffalo’s fault. Over the last few weeks, all of the top agents have been busy lining up all of the first round talent to sign with. I’m sure that’s what stupid Eugene Parker is doing right now.

Also, why would said stupid Eugene Parker even negotiate with Buffalo right now? He’ll wait untl FA starts, watch all of the players get signed to mega deals, and use those as the basis for getting Peters done. If he were to do something now, he’d basically be going off of 2008’s salaries.

by krytime on Feb 2, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think there are any top LT’s that will be getting a mega deal this offseason, so I think using 2008 salaries is what will need to be done…

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by Kurupt on Feb 2, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Jordan Gross is pretty good.

But even that doesn’t matter. Once FA opens, and we see monster deals across the board at any position, stupid Parker will use that as a basis to further inflate his client’s value.

Just ask yourself this question – would Peter’s ask for more now in an extension, or for more after he hear’s the news that Greer signed somewhere for 6 or seven a year?

by krytime on Feb 2, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

The Cardinals don't need a stud tight end.

When your 3rd receiver goes for 1000+ yards you have your de facto tight end. When your 4th receiver has 4 TDs and almost 500 yards you don’t need a receiving tight end. All the Cardinals needed from their tight end was blocking and they got it.

by twoeightnine on Feb 2, 2009 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

To the author...

Thinking that Raji alone will afford those “average DEs” the ability to get to the QB implies those ends have ability. 1 out of 3 does. Raji won’t fix all that’s wrong with that line. He’s a start, but he’s just one stilt holding the shack above the river.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 2, 2009 9:53 AM EST reply actions  

Hambone never said he would fix

all that’s wrong with that line.

He said Raji would

free up our average ends to get to the QB.

. “free up” means take on double teams, which I think he would do. I don’t think it implies that our average ends would be guaranteed to get to the QB.

Dick Jauron is a very good if not great coach, Duke Preston isn't that bad he's actually good , Paul Poslusnzy is in the correct position, Trent Edwards is "the answer", draft picks such as John McCargo, JP Losman, and Donte Whitner set this organization back a couple years, the Bills will draft a defensive lineman in the 2009 NFL draft, the Bills will make the playoffs in 2009.

All those who think I'm wrong are entitled to their opinions, but should take accountability for their mistakes if they are wrong. As I will take accountability if I am wrong.

by buffaloboy90 on Feb 3, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Great Post

You are my favorite Bills blogger Hambone.

If you cant put an offensive and defensive line on the field that will where teams down, then what good is drafting a TE do for you? My theory is that if we cant keep our QB protected then it doesnt matter what WR, TE or RB on the field, we will not be able to move the ball.

Offensive and Defensive lines are the two most important areas in football. I really like the DT BJ Raji. He’s a big boy at 6’1’’ 323lbs, was very productive at BC with 14 tackles for loss and 7.5 sacks, he did very well at the senior bowl practices. Another Defensive tackle to look at is Peria Jerry. Jerry was incredibly productive for a DT at Ole Miss, played extremely well against good teams, and played well at the senior Bowl Practices. I think it’s an extremely good idea to draft either of those two players. Both would definitely be upgrades over Spencer Johnson, and in my opinion be upgrades over Kyle Williams (this shows how much I value their abilities).

However, if either Everette Brown and Brian Orakpo are available the Bills will have a tough time passing them up. My favorite is Everette Brown.

by buffaloboy90 on Feb 3, 2009 5:36 PM EST reply actions  

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