Scout.com: Penn State's Maybin Turning Pro

I'm pretty excited about this one, folks. Maybin was the best DE in college football last season. He may not last until Buffalo's pick in April, but he deepens an already talented class of speed rushers.

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he is a great talent

but he is no where near NFL ready for the d-line…

his main attribute is speed and he can run around anybody but he still needs to develope his skills and his size…he will be a force in the NFL trust me but he is very very raw (not underdeveloped b/c LJ is the man at producing Dlinemen)

I would love to see him in buffalo…but if he were to start I would not expect much the first couple of years

by Lion Alum on Jan 9, 2009 2:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

completely agree...

he uses his natural talents too much right now… another year in college would have done him well.

John I.

by jri111 on Jan 9, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Thats why I wasn’t very high on him. He could very well go in the top ten, but I wouldn’t take him.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Jan 9, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

he has

bust written all over him. Hand that kid millions is a huge mistake

MARVelous

by MARVelous on Jan 9, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Who said it had to be our mistake? The one thing this does is add a big name with big potential to the talent pool. That’s good for us either way!

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 9, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

i hope so

I just hope we get a top tier player that isn’t average as per the usual….I will say the top 10-15 this year seem pretty deep at QB, DE, OT, and LB

MARVelous

by MARVelous on Jan 9, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

NOOOOOO!

i’m depressed

John I.

by jri111 on Jan 9, 2009 2:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

This may turn out to be the deepest draft class in NFL history. They want to beat the next CBA. I would not take him.

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by keuka121 on Jan 9, 2009 2:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Cool

Time to start looking at this dude too! Is he a top 10 guy, without a doubt?

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by Kurupt on Jan 9, 2009 2:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

no

i don’t know why everyone thinks that he is. To me both Brown and Orakpo will go ahead of him. That said, he might have the best all around combination of strength and speed out of any DE in this class

Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.

by poz on Jan 9, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Everyone knocks him because he’s small, but the dude was a sophomore. He only weighs like 236 or whatever, but he plays bigger because he’s as strong as an ox. He’s an every-down end, and he’s obviously got the frame to get bigger.

He’s young enough where people will proceed with caution, but this guy has “boom” written all over him. Best pass rusher in the nation as a sophomore? Sign me up.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 9, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

i don't necessarily disagree with that...

But that begs the question – why come out? He could have spent another year honing his skills and putting more weight on his frame (some believe that he’s put on all that he can). So do you draft a very raw DE in the top 10 of the draft, knowing very well that he may not contribute at the level you would expect of the top 10 pick in his first year?

Do the Bills have the fortune to wait for him to devleop?

John I.

by jri111 on Jan 9, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

thats exactly right

To be a top ten pick you are expected to contribute. This kid is under 240 and is leaving as a sophmore. Two problems with this: He needs to be coached into gaining and maintaining weight so he is not pushed around and he is entering the draft with so little experience its absurd.

Like I said, everyone knows he plays with a non-stop motor is a physically gifted, in fact he’s also technically sound when using his hands. However, you can’t make up for the fact that he won’t contribute for at least a season or two.

Thats not top ten

Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.

by poz on Jan 9, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Why come out? 2010 is an uncapped year in the NFL, at least under the current CBA. Prospects are coming out now to collect on their millions, because teams won’t be able to spread cap hits out over the length of a deal like they did during capped years. Thus, more money up front. Thus, this will be the year that rookies get more money than ever, and it’ll be by a long shot. Maybin’s going to be a first-rounder. He’s going to make a butt load of money.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 9, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Here are the specifics on that…

After the last game of the 2008 regular season, signing bonus proration is reduced from a maximum of six years to a maximum of five years.
In 2009, there is no June 1 rule for Signing Bonus acceleration. If a player is removed from the roster or his contract is assigned via waivers or trade at any time in the 2009 League Year, any unamortized signing bonus will be immediately included in Team Salary.
There is no year-end netting of incentives in 2009. Not-likely-to-be-earned incentives are charged to team salary immediately when earned, and likely-to-be-earned incentives are deducted when they are no longer possible to earn.
Guaranteed salary from 2010 and beyond is reallocated to capped years unless the entire 2009 salary is guaranteed.
50% of guaranteed salary in any League Year beyond 2012 is reallocated to capped years.
The 30% increase rule restricts salary increases from 2009 to 2010. For example: a player with a $500,000 Salary in 2009 would be limited to annual salary increases of $150,000 ($500,000 × 30%) beginning in 2010.
A team can include only three veteran team incentives in a player contract covering 2009 and beyond. These incentives must also be coupled with a playtime requirement. Previously, clubs were limited to eight team incentives and no playtime requirement.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 9, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

He is another Vernon Gholston waiting to happen

Another guy who really really really needed to stay in College for another year to become something. So idiot will draft him high based on what he MIGHT become, but unless he ends up with a team like the Giants who already had a lot of pass rushing talent and he could sit and learn for a couple of seasons like many of their guys did, I think he is a bust about to happen.

Now if only this gopher could play DE, we would be doing better, I mean, who couldn't play better than the corpse brothers Kelsay and Denney?

by WABillsfan on Jan 11, 2009 4:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

he is 1st round talent though

I’d say he’s more in the teens range. Which means we’d be reaching just a tad if we pick him

Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.

by poz on Jan 9, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Maybin

I completely agree with Brian on this on. What this essentially means is that if say the 49ers and Packers, which is very likely, draft DE, then there’ll still be one terrific DE left of Aaron Maybin, Everette Brown and Brian Orakpo (if they as it looks right now are the three top DE’s in the country come draft time). I need to look at the tape, but after having watched a lot of Penn State and Texas games I can say that Orakpo and Maybin are keepers. I personally like Orakpo more, but that’s because of him being extremely strong at the point of attact, a freak athlete and a guy, who unlike Gholston consistenly gets the job done. He has played the 4-3 defense in college as DE and knows how to get to the QB from that position.
My problem with Maybin is that he reminds me too much of his former fellow Penn State alum, Tamba Hali, who hasn’t been a difference maker at the pros.
Orakpo is a guy, whom you can build your defense around, because how he wreaks havoc. As far as Everette Brown from FSU, then I’ll need to look at the games, in which he played, before I can draw too many conclusions. I believe he’s a better fit for a 3-4 defense, but we’ll see what happens.

by BillsfanfromDenmark on Jan 9, 2009 3:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

This guy is definitely good

12 sacks and 20 tackles for loss. That is a LOT of time spent in the backfield. I would press someone here to find a player who has a larger sum of tackles for loss and sacks.

Yes, he is a little undersized but isn’t Dwight Freeney? I love him.

However, Everette Brown is still my boy. 13.5 sacks and 21.5 tackles for loss. He should be the #11 pick for the Bills. I have noticed a few mock sites have predicted the Bills to pick him after I was on the bandwagon. Coincidence? I think not.

by buffaloboy90 on Jan 9, 2009 4:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

George Selvie last year

had 31.5 tackles for loss and 14.5 sacks….injuries and double teams really limited him this year though….

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by Kurupt on Jan 10, 2009 1:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Someone on this board said Selvie was not declaring for the NFL draft. So i just disregarded him. He also doesn’t play for as good of a school as FSU or PSU. He still is a really good player though.

by buffaloboy90 on Jan 10, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I know

just responding to the comment about finding someone with a lot of TFL’s and sacks….

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by Kurupt on Jan 10, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Dwight Freeney is undersized because he is really short at 6’1’’. He weighed in at 263 lbs. at the combine which is an incredible build for someone that short.

by kaisertown on Jan 10, 2009 10:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I could see him projected in the first round

and someone grabbing him early second. Kinda like another PSU grad we might remember?

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by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Jan 9, 2009 5:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

There are now four legit top 15 DE’s in the class. What a year! Maybin could go before we pick. If you search the net, he has a heck of a rep. That means but one thing – the #11 pick will be a top tier DE!!! Who’s your favorite? I think Orakpo will definitely go before us. Therefore I’ll go with Everette Brown.

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by keuka121 on Jan 9, 2009 5:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

That's my guy

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by Kurupt on Jan 10, 2009 1:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Johnson and Selvie

why do you guys not mention Johnson (GT) and Selvie (SF)? They seem to get very high grades at DE from scouting services.

by labill on Jan 9, 2009 5:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Selvie has announced he is not coming out.

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by keuka121 on Jan 9, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I really like Michael Johnson actually. He seems to be a Julious Peppers type of player. I know I may be getting a little ahead of myself. He has 17.5 tackles for loss and 9 sacks. Those are very good numbers, also, he has played well against top competition.

After all the combine stuff I think this guy will shoot up the boards and go extremely early (maybe top 5).

by buffaloboy90 on Jan 10, 2009 12:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I totally agree. I think Johnson is the best DE in the draft this year. People knock his production, but considering that he got the same treatment that everybody gives Selvie a pass for, he had more than enough production for me.

by kaisertown on Jan 10, 2009 11:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Johnson

I see a lot of mixed reviews about Johnson and most are not too good. They say he the body and speed but does produce on the field. He is a clear boom or bust pick, but far to risky for number 11. Most say he will be a combine freak so he will probably get drafted higher than he should, can you say Mike Mamula.

by billsfan69 on Jan 9, 2009 6:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Really??

Do we really need another speed rusher?? How has that worked out for our cover 2 d?? Have we made the postseason that past couple of years with speed rushers?? Have we gotten over the 500 mark with speed rushers?? If you can’t answer these questions don’t consider yourself an avid fan of the Bills.

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by Cutter3636 on Jan 10, 2009 1:36 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

What speed rushers?

We dont’ have any

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by Kurupt on Jan 10, 2009 1:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yup, I ain't seeing NO DE speed rushers on this team

I see some dudes with non-stop motors, but thats it.

Now if only this gopher could play DE, we would be doing better, I mean, who couldn't play better than the corpse brothers Kelsay and Denney?

by WABillsfan on Jan 11, 2009 4:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Dude, you are WAY too vicious. “Don’t consider yourself an avid fan of the Bills”?! Calm down and stop treating everyone like you’re smarter than them.

And as K said, we don’t have ANY defensive ends on this roster that are “speed rushers”. I’d be interested to hear which end on this roster you view as speedy…

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 10, 2009 7:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Copeland Bryan is kind of a speed rusher actually. Not a very good one, but I think that is what he is lol. Aaron Schobel has proven he can be a good speed rusher.

by buffaloboy90 on Jan 10, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I don’t see Everette Brown or Michael Johnson as “just” a speed rusher. Johnson has the size to be an every down DE now and Brown already has an arsenal of moves. Ten more pounds on Everette and he could also be considered an every down NFL DE. I try to keep in mind that Bruce Smith (the measuring stick I use) played in his prime at 6’4, 260lbs. Everette is slowly putting on the weight. Go watch Everette on Youtube. He has super inside moves and sheds his blocker regularly.

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by keuka121 on Jan 10, 2009 10:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

haha, like K said, we don’t have speed rushers. I guess Schobel is the closest thing and go figure, he is our only DE that is even worth putting on the field in pass downs.

What is your solution to our lack of a pass rush then if you aren’t open to drafting an undersized guy who excels at getting after the QB?

by kaisertown on Jan 10, 2009 11:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs