Rumblings Draft Scouting: College Football Recap, Week 4
We interrupt your regularly scheduled coverage of the upcoming Buffalo Bills versus Miami Dolphins game to continue a new feature in these parts: Rumblings Draft Scouting.
The "scouting team," for lack of a better term, has pooled its resources once again to bring to you some general thoughts and observations on six future NFL Draft prospects this week - three whose stock is soaring, and three whose stock could use a face lift. Our efforts are after the jump - and for those of you clamoring for more Bills/Dolphins talk, hang tight. It's coming.
THREE UP: Three players whose stock is climbing after strong starts to their seasons.
#1: South Carolina DE/OLB Eric Norwood. Norwood and the Gamecocks really laid it to then-No. 4 Mississippi (and top QB prospect Jevan Snead) this week. Norwood was dominant in the win, recording 10 tackles, two sacks, and a partially blocked punt. SC's defense really rattled Snead - who, if you recall, Steve Spurrier picked pre-season All-SEC ahead of Tim Tebow - and Norwood led the charge. As sireric put it after Norwood's Week 1 performance, "The dude can fly. From the 3-point stance, he ran around the LT so fast that the RB who was supposed to help completely whiffed, and he came in to get the sack. He also got another later. He is only 6'1", 252 pounds, but he has some serious speed off the edge."
#2: Iowa DE Adrian Clayborn. This guy is a monster. At 6'3", 282 pounds, Clayborn isn't your typical Tampa 2 speed-rushing end, but he's thickly built, extremely strong, and athletic enough to get after the passer in a dominant fashion and defend the run well. His statistical output is not dominant, but he is the clear catalyst on an outstanding Iowa defensive line, and he has loads of potential as a pro prospect. He could play either side of the line in a 4-3 (though his playing style is suited to left end), and he could play end in a 3-4 alignment as well. His blocked punt - which he promptly scooped up and returned for a touchdown - was the decisive score in an impressive road victory over Penn State.
#3: Oregon TE Ed Dickson. One of the more underrated tight ends in the nation, Dickson had gotten off to a slow start along with the rest of his Oregon team. Then he exploded for 11 catches, 148 yards, and 3 TD in Oregon's 42-3 trouncing of sixth-ranked California. At 6'5" and 243 pounds, Dickson greatly resembles Bills rookie TE Shawn Nelson - they're tall, lanky players that are receivers first and blockers second. Dickson's got underrated speed and can hurt defenses up the seam, but he's not quite the athlete Nelson is. He needs work as blocker. But as an early-round tight end prospect, Dickson's NFL future looks quite bright.
THREE DOWN: Three players whose stock is falling after weak performances to start their seasons. Or, in the case of one of the players on this list, extenuating circumstances.
#1: Penn State QB Darryl Clark. Clark has been a steadying force at a position that Penn State has really struggled to play consistently at over the past decade or so. While he's had some truly excellent performances and beaten a lot of good teams, the one team he has routinely struggled (mightily) against is Iowa - and that's bad news, folks. Kirk Ferentz is the closest thing to an NFL-caliber head coach in the college ranks, and he runs pro-type systems on both sides of the ball. He has Clark's number - Iowa has beaten Penn State in each of the past two seasons. Clark has a strong arm and a really solid NFL build, but he's inaccurate, indecisive, and highly unremarkable in these types of situations. He looks worthy of a late-round flier, but I'm not particularly high on his NFL prospects.
#2: Florida QB Tim Tebow. Seriously! But keep in mind that this has absolutely nothing to do with the gruesome concussion he suffered in this week's romp over Kentucky, nor does it have to do with the outstanding production he and his Florida team have put forth in a blazing hot 4-0 start. I can't say what brings me pause about Tebow any better than kaisertown does, so here he is: "Anybody else think that Urban Meyer couldn't care less about Tebow's pro career? We heard all the talk about the new coach who would work on Tebow's mechanics, but they look the exact same to me. More importantly, Tebow ran the ball 24 times against Tennessee, got sacked three times and took some hits after throws. Even worse, he was running designed run plays during the second half against Kentucky after they went up 31-0 in the first quarter. It was the sixteenth carry that knocked him out of the Kentucky game." We agree - Tebow is a highly-debated prospect for many obvious reasons good and bad, but we just can't feel comfortable about his prospects as an NFL quarterback.
#3: Iowa OT Bryan Bulaga. He's only a junior, and he's already considered one of the top two or three left tackle prospects in the nation. He has the look of a Top 10 or Top 5 draft pick, and through his first two collegiate seasons, he was one of the most dominant players in the nation - at any position. But he missed Iowa's triumph in Happy Valley - a third straight game he's missed due to an issue with his thyroid. Clearly, he doesn't have to declare himself eligible for the 2010 NFL Draft, but the fact that his thyroid issue even brings pause to that idea hurts his draft stock. If Bulaga is completely healthy and playing, he's one of the first ten names on every NFL team's scouting lists this early in the game. But you can bet that NFL teams will be checking into this injury just because of its nature.
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Tebow will never be a good NFL QB. But I have a feeling he ends up as one of the more impressive TE’s in the league.
I really wish people would stop saying this. that is NEVER EVER going to happen. Tim Tebow is a quarterback. That’s where it ends.
by quantumuprising on Oct 1, 2009 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions
i agree
everyone said the same thing about Pat White
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I agree that he probably won’t play another position but Tebow won’t be a good NFL QB. His size and speed at QB will mean nothing in the NFL and he’ll never be a traditional passer.
by partyboybackformore on Oct 1, 2009 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t say “he’ll never be a traditional passer,” because that’s impossible to say right now. We only put him on this list because, as kaisertown pointed out, Urban Meyer does not appear to give a rat’s behind about helping him polish up that aspect of his game.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 1, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t say it either – i get the sense that he’s the kind of kid that, when drafted, will put every minute of every day into being whatever kind of QB the team that drafted him wants him to be, and he’ll be just fine when his time comes to play.
by quantumuprising on Oct 1, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Byron Leftwich has always had a long funky delivery, same with Kerry Collins. Those two have both had there moments of glory in the pros. Maybe they aren’t in the same category as Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, but they have been serviceable QBs in the NFL with funky deliveries.
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I’m guess I shouldn’t go as far to say it’ll never happen for Tebow. It’s just he’s that college QB who is part of a system that doesn’t convert to the NFL. That usually spells high draft pick with huge disappointments. I can’t really think of an option QB who had an even remotely impressive NFL career. No denying the kids a winner but there have been a lot of successful college QBs who don’t work out. Maybe llok at Florida alum Danny Awful.. I mean Wuerffel. I’m sure someone will find an obscure example to prove me wrong tho.
by partyboybackformore on Oct 1, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I think putting Tebow on the list is questionable
Who cares what Urban Meyer is doing with him? Based on his play, things we can measure and see on the field, his stock isn’t falling at all. How do we know that Scot Loefler isn’t working with Tebow outside of practice time on his pro skills, preparing him for the Senior Bowl?
I see the toughest, most determined player in college football the past three years. Everyone knows that he hasn’t played from under center at all, need work on his footwork, has a long throwing motion, and isn’t highly developed reading the entire field, often locking in on receivers. What he has is an extremely strong arm with decent short- to mid-range accuracy, and can really throw the fade well. He doesn’t crack under pressure, has proven leadership skills, and wins.
He’s not Eric Couch, who wan’t tall enough and had average arm strength. He’s not Alex Smith, who hasn’t developed physically yet. A couple months back, I compared him to Donovan McNabb. If Tebow get drafted by a team with a stable coaching staff in place and keeps their system in place, Tebow can get drafted, work as a back-up for a couple years, and come out as a good NFL QB.
Footwork and reading the field are fixable. And his accuracy with improve as his footwork does. Tebow is too determined to not fix his weaknesses and mitigate his throwing motion. I wouldn’t bet against him.
I think John Brantely will be a better pro QB than Tebow
we may very well see him in action next week
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I thought Tebow got knocked out on a passing attempt (sack), not a rushing attempt??
We had a brief discussion of him before but South Florida’s Jason Pierre-Paul (DE), really impressed me against Florida State. He ended up winning the Big East Defensive Player of the Week after being a disruptive presence the whole day. He’s got great size at 6’6", 260+ lbs, and is still a long way from reaching his potential. Here’s a nice article from ESPN on him from yesterday. As he continues improving and learning what it takes to be successful, him opposite George Selvie makes for one devastating tandem.
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You are 100% correct
I thought Tebow got knocked out on a passing attempt (sack), not a rushing attempt??
Not only did he get hit hard, but as he was falling he took a knee to the back of the head.
Poor ball security leads to very painful outcomes
He looked better than Selvie in that game, IMO, but there’s no question he benefits from Selvie’s presence. It’ll be interesting to watch him there in 2010, because he’s definitely got tons of talent.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 1, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, it was a sack, but that’s not the point. I just think it’s crazy that Meyer would let Tebow get hit 30+ times against Tennessee or call run plays for Tebow in a game they are winning by 30. If he really cared about him, he wouldn’t do stuff like that.
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Tebow is probably the toughest football player out there
He has playe through countless injuries. The sack he took was more of a freak accident then a bad decision by urban. Sure they had a sizable lead, but college football is all about style points, and I’m sure tebow and urban want to win that second heisman. Everyone is quick to judge, but I really don’t see a problem with what they were doing. TE had a concussion, then a bye week, and came backto lead the bills over SD. Tebows concussion is seen as a mild one from reports I have read. Hindsight is always 20/20.
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by silverstreak3k on Oct 1, 2009 5:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It’s not about the injury, either. It’s about the fact that despite promises to the contrary, there is little to no difference between ‘08 Tebow and ’09 Tebow. He’s the same fantastic, legendary college QB with serious questions about how his game translates to the pros – and Meyer, despite having the best intentions for his team, is doing nothing more than the usual to help Tebow prep for his future.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 1, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly, we’ve now heard for two offseasons in a row that the team is working with Tebow on his footwork and throwing motion and they look the exact same as they did when he was a freshman.
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oh i got that
my comment further down directly reflects your thoughts. my comment was for kaiser about having him in the game….
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by silverstreak3k on Oct 1, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t have a problem with him being in the game. I have a problem with Meyer calling QB sneaks right up the gut and letting Tebow lower the shoulder into linebackers when his team is up 30 points with 20 minutes left in the game against crappy teams like Kentucky. Why isn’t he calling more handoffs to RBs and plays where his best player and key to a potential repeat national championship doesn’t need to get hit?
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Clayborn is finding his stride this year. Fun to watch. Bigger and more physical than Hawks d-ends of recent past.
Wouldn’t be surprised if LB Pat Angerer finds his way onto an NFL roster next fall, either. Iowa coaches LBs well on pass defense and Angerer logs his share of ints.
Bulaga’s thyroid is, according to Ferentz, healed, not a recurring condition, and will play against Ark St this weekend.
Hope to not overlook Ark St with Michigan coming to Iowa City for a prime time ABC tilt. (will be there!) Go Hawks!
What do you guys think about Snead, and the potential of being a good pro, do you see the Bills looking at him IF Edwards continues to struggle, I know that one of the reason for Edward’s struggles is lack of protection. But what about grooming him to possibly be a replacement if need be.
by Hassanali181 on Oct 1, 2009 2:13 PM EDT reply actions
With how badly Snead has struggled this season, he’d be out of his mind if he declared himself for next year’s Draft.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 1, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I think he’s headed back to school too.
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I really haven’t kept up with college ball this year, I keep hearing his name thrown out there as being a possible top QB if he entered the draft, just wondering what the opinion was on him
by Hassanali181 on Oct 1, 2009 3:02 PM EDT reply actions
College football has been watered down to whatever ESPN shows. 20 minutes of Tebow getting his clock cleaned, and 36 seconds of everything else.
There are a ton of really good college football players that no one ever hears a peep about, because ESPN et al, are too busy drooling on their collective erections for high profile ad sellers. Of which Tebow is exhibit 1A. Will Tebow be drafted? You bet. Will he be a great NFL qb? I doubt it.
Whether you like tebow or not
He is likely the best college football player of all time, ad if you don’t buy that then he’s at least top 5. That’s why he gets so much coverage. I’m surprised urban hasn’t worked with him more this season. I still think he can be successful, maybe not a dominate passer like Brady or manning, but I think a quality starter is by mo means out of his reach. I said it before and I’ll say it again he’s a third round player, and that round ain’t too shabby. I also think John brantley will be a better pro qb, and we might get a preview of him for the lsu game.
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by silverstreak3k on Oct 1, 2009 5:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
best college football player of all time? top 5. oh lord.
his leadership skills, tenacity, intangibles if you will, and obvious physical gifts are very good, yes. playing in an urban meyer system sure doesn’t hurt.
but, with all due respect, he isn’t even in the same zip code as the top 50 college players of all time.
Scouting Reports
Here’s a few players I’ve seen/focused on a few times over the past couple seasons:
Eric Norwood, OLB, South Carolina. No outstanding traits that jump out at you, but Norwood is still dominant. Reminds me of David Pollack, who also had no outstanding traits but was still dominant. Norwood has been beating up on NFL-calibur talent for a couple seasons now. Good burst off the ball, not elite. Relentless and in great condition. Goes the same speed all game, and simply wears down opponents. Really noticable later in game when he seems to be moving a step fast than everyone else on the field. Wins with power and excellent use of hands. Squatty build gives him leverage similar to Dwight Freeney, but Norwood is mostly power as opposed to Freeney, who wins with finesse. Good speed and immediately closes into the blocker’s body, and then overpowers the blocker who can’t extend. This makes him almost impossible to single block at the college level. Will run around slow-footed blockers. Will need to prove that he can muscle better NFL tackles, and will need to improve his finesse moves, as NFL tackles eat up power rushers that can’t counter. Intense. On-field leader both vocally and with deeds. Good closing speed and senses the kill both with the sack and tackles. Never-say-die attitude. Average qualties going backwards as a LB, but good diagnostic skills reading action in front of him. Will stack and shed at the point and can track to the sideline. Best as a 3-4 OLB but could do well as a 4-3 stongside LB in a scheme like Tennessee’s or Philadelphia’s. Could play the edge in a 4-3 for teams that don’t mind undersized ends. A guy you want on your team and the kind of player that helps build a championship defense. Anticipated draft range: low first to second.
Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame (Junior). The best pro prospect in college football at the QB position. Great build. Powerful arm with a nice motion that doesn’t change from throw to throw. Throws with velocity on the ball and make every pro throw. Accuracy is excellent both in the pocket and on the move. Hits receivers in stride. Sometimes underthrows deep routes, but almost all QB’s do that from time to time. Played hurt against Purdue and without Michael Floyd, but still came back to win the game. Doesn’t get flustered in the pocket. Re-sets his feet and makes the throw like a pro already. Trusts his arm too much and sometimes throws deep into double coverage. Already appears to me to read the entire field and can go through his progression with ease despite playing in a pro style offense. This undoubtably comes from Charlie Weis’ coaching. Plays with a calm swagger. Both Clausen’s and the Irish offense’s body language indicates that they feel that Clausen not only can but will win the game. This normally comes with proven QB’s like Bradford or Tebow, so Clausen’s ability to create confidence is more impressive considering Notre Dame’s recent average play the past two years. Mental qualities were under question earlier in his career, but his understanding of where to go with the football leads me to believe that he’s spending lots of time in the film room. Still, more of a tough guy QB then a thinking QB. Tough and will play hurt. Mobile and can run for good yardage, but won’t be confused with Vince Young. Clausen is NFL ready now and is a top 5 pick lock unless something dramatic happens. Day 1 starter who can lead a team. Anticipated draft range: top 5 pick.
George Selvie DE South Florida. Former center who plays like it. Power to speed rusher. Average off the snap at times, other times he’s late, and sometimes he’s the first player moving showing outstanding explosiveness and a good first step. I can’t tell if it’s due to scheme or if he’s not able to anticipate the snap on some downs. Thin build at 250 with the ability to bulk up. Reminds me of Osi Umenyiora with his long arms and muscle tone. Powerful lower body. Overpowers lighter OT’s and can’t be blocked with a back. Has limited moves. Tends to puts his facemask into the blocker and drive him to the QB. Shed blockers easily. Not super fast, but can bend off the edge and get to the QB at times. Diagnostic skills need to improve, as he’s out of position at times. Never gives up, as he’s often more than 10 yards downfield making tackles. His size suggests that he could move to 3-4 OLB, but I think that’s a big jump for a player attempting to hone how to read an offense and be in the right spot. Probably just a 4-3 DE at this point. Will play hurt. Not going to be the guy for a defense, but could be a excellent complimentary rusher, especially if he stays at RE where he will have an easier time powering the OT. Anticipated draft range: I don’t see Selvie running well at the combine, but if he plays well at the Senior Bowl and runs a good 10-yard split, he could be a lower first round pick.
Short bits: Jahvid Best didn’t seem so great this weekend. I don’t see him as the high draft pick that was talked about last week. Sledding will be tougher this weekend against USC… Greg Hardy showed a lot playing hurt against South Carolina. He was clearly laboring on a hurt ankle, but still got to the QB and make a difference. Not sure if the light went on for him, or he just understands that his play and attitude this season will determine his draft position… Jerrell Powe played decent against South Carolina. For being so big, he doesn’t anchor well and can’t really split the double team while holding two gaps, but seemed to be able to burst through one-gap easily for how big he is… Jevan Snead is not playing well. His performance over the rest of the season is something to watch in terms of his ability to bounce back from bad performances… Eric Decker impressed me more and more every week. Uncoverable against Northwestern. Great hands… Christian Ponder is a future NFL QB in my mind. Still makes bond-headed plays, but he’s smart, has all the physical traits required, and looks to be a good on-field leader.
anyone else think clausen is brady part 2??
quinn that is
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by silverstreak3k on Oct 1, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I liked Quinn coming out of Notre Dame, and still like him. Would you be down on a young QB that has started six games, two with a broken thumb on his throwing hand? That what Quinn is. Quinn has two holes in his game: gameplans need to include getting him involved early, as he’s a slow starter in games for some reason; and he rushes his reads when pressured. Both are fixable with experience. Everything else about his game is solid or better.
I’m hoping that Mangini is down on Quinn and is looking to move him.

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