Time to clean house
by Ron From NM on Oct 11, 2009 4:44 PM EDT
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Siimply put, why wait?
The Bills were abysmal on offense, committing one stupid penalty after another. I had the nfl.com site up as the game went on and it was amazing to see the drive charts. For every couple of lines in blue (offensive plays) there was a yellow line marching the team backwards. The penalties were systemic and that utter lack of discipline falls on the coaching staff.
The offensive line had 6 guys draw flags, never mind that there are only 5 offensive line positions. The line repeatedly allowed the Browns to generate immediate pressure on Edwards, even against 3 man rushes! What's the rationale for keeping Kugler around? The fault also lies with AVP, a man who has done nothing to dispell the notion that he is in way over his head.
The special teams unit has been nothing short of dreadful. The Bills started 2 possessions inside their own 1 and another possession on the 4 yard line. I'm not going to assume that Buffalo would have won the game if not for Parrish's fumble but the team absolutely did lose the game because of it. Well, that and the fact that the Bills had stupidly burned two timeouts early in the second half. One of those wasted time outs is directly the fault of Bobby April. Who else could be blamed for the special teams unit not getting on the field at the end of the 3rd quarter to cover a punt? Instead of assuming that the Browns were going to wait until the 4th quarter to punt it was April's job to get the punt coverage unit on the field. Throw in the constant stream of penalties and it's clear that April has lost his touch. Do you seriously think the unit will be any worse without April?
Dick Jauron has overseen this slow motion train wreck and taken no steps to turn things around. Yes, there have been plenty of injuries. Chambers is the 3rd RT and Buggs the 3rd MLB. Good coaches acquire and coach depth players who can do a halfway decent job filling in when starters are inevitably injured. Jauron hasn't done that. Jauron will also not be leading the team to a winning season, much less the playoffs, so what's the point in keeping him around?
It's time for Wilson to pick up the phone and line up one of the coaches who will be pounced on by large market teams at the end of the season.
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I’m actually not mad at this point. I’m well past anger and to the point of acceptance that Jauron is a goner. With some capable coaches available, why not give Jauron the boot?
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
by Ron From NM on Oct 11, 2009 4:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed, if for no other reason than to stem the marketing losses. keeping dick employed will cost ralph millions in sales.
most of my posts get deleted :(
by dzil on Oct 11, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have to wait till it actually does cost him, as long as the tickets keep selling why would he bother to put up more cash to gain nothing? Ralph is a business man as long as he is making money nothing will change I think the last 10 years has proven that. I stopped going to games 2 years ago but other fans were happy enough to buy the tickets I passed up
by guruu on Oct 11, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Need to get a GM first. If we could somehow get a GM mid-season and a HC, that would be ideal. And also near impossible.
by Der Jaeger on Oct 11, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree as well. GM first. But to keep Ron going I would be delighted to see Kugler fired tommorrow morning.
by Macktruck on Oct 11, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly the issue, a QUALITY GM will be impossible to find right now, no one will allow us to interview anyone who could the job right
They are in the middle of the season, why give us easy access to the man who could help us the most? And bringing a coach in prior to the GM just makes us the Browns, LITERALLY. Who the H E Double Hockey Sticks wants that? Were already bad enough, why borrow from someone as bad or maybe worse than us?
As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Fewell, common sense says to play UP on the line against the slant.
by WABillsfan on Oct 12, 2009 4:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For me i am at the point of despair, I don’t even want to watch next weeks game vs. Jets, It’s just becoming too painful to watch.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 12, 2009 3:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“It’s time for Wilson to pick up the phone and line up one of the coaches who will be pounced on by large market teams at the end of the season.”
And those coaches are going to laugh and hang up.
by Applsoss on Oct 11, 2009 4:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps he should just start with some large dollar amount before even uttering another word. How quickly would you hang up if someone called you and said, “$10 million”
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
by Ron From NM on Oct 11, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Ralph isn’t going to pay a head coach 10 mil per year. If we’re going to talk about how many mil per year that Ralph would pay for Cowher or Shanahan, then we might as well start discussing how many first round picks it would take to trade for Peyton Manning. I don’t think it’s that crazy that Buffalo could end up with a name coach, but making a guy one of the couple highest paid head coaches in the middle of the season is about as likely as trading for Manning.
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by kaisertown on Oct 11, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’ll note that I didn’t say how many years…
Seriously, though, Wilson knows he doesn’t have much time left. He wants to win a championship before he dies. He also knows that he can’t take his money with him and that the sale of the Bills will take care of his extended family for generations. While he’s been reluctant to pay top dollar for coaches to this point circumstances are changing. I’m hoping that he’ll surprise us.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
by Ron From NM on Oct 11, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree. I’ve been ridiculed on this site for suggesting it but I definitely agree with you 100%
Crap, two weeks ago I suggesting pulling the plug and I got my head torn off!
Either believe in your team or don’t coach it
FEED the BEAST!
by keysh67 on Oct 11, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crap, two weeks ago I suggesting pulling the plug and I got my head torn off!
Now people just agree with you
Good Luck With Your Firings Mr. Wilson….Go Bills!
by killascript on Oct 11, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d trade almost every player on the Bills roster just to have Peyton Manning. Even when he’s 40.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 11, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WE NEED A FREAKIN' GM!!!!
Forget about the head coach for a minute. This team is going to remain in the bottom 5 of the league until they get a football mind in charge of the entire team. Going after some big named coach and throwing $10M at him is just stupid if you don’t have a guy making personnel decisions in charge of the organization.
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by Kurupt on Oct 11, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You can’t have two different guys have the final say.
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by kaisertown on Oct 11, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Today that guy is Jauron.
Tomorrow it could be Cower or Schottenheimer, what’s wrong with that? Andy Reid does a good job in Philly, why would it not work here in buffalo?
Actually, we have Modrak who’s done a very good job in buffalo but unfortunately for him, he’s never been the GM. Why not give him the promotion that he deserves and then let him go after one of the bigger head coaching names out there? Modrak wanted to draft Cutler in 2006 but was overridden by Marv/Jauron for Whitner… Modrak is the guy that drafted McNabb in his short stint in Philly and he was highly regarded in Pittsburgh before getting hired by Philly. He’s the type of up&comer we’d be taking a chance on. We have the guy right under our noses.
I say blow up the inner circle, tell Brandon that he’s the marketing guy, period. Promote Modrak to GM and let him start the interview process to hire one of the top guys on the market (gruden or Schottenheimer) cause I doubt Cower would come to Bufalo if he didn’t get the GM/HC title. We could also look at Billick, Fassel as possible candidates.
Either believe in your team or don’t coach it
FEED the BEAST!
by keysh67 on Oct 12, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The way I understand it...
Modrak does not want a GM job, here, or anywhere else. He’s quite content with his duties which allow him family time..
PS…. No to Fassel
by Cinga on Oct 12, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, part of Modrak’s willingness to work here in Buffalo is that the team allows him to spend most of his time down in Florida with his family where he can scout from there.
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by kaisertown on Oct 12, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK. If he’s willing to spend the money he might be able to line someone up. Don’t think they’re going to get a big name to actually take over at this point though. I know you had a post last week putting forward your reasons for thinking they could, but I can’t see it. They actually discussed this a bit during the game, and the commentators thought it was pretty much an impossibility.
I suppose anything is possible, but I just don’t see us getting a star coach mid-season.
by Applsoss on Oct 11, 2009 4:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It would be ideal to get next year’s coach now but, barring that, getting next year’s coach lined up, signed, sealed and delivered before the insane bidding begins would at least be prudent.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
by Ron From NM on Oct 11, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's time to go on cruise control for the rest of the year my friends.
"In every adversity there lies the seed of an equivalent advantage. In every defeat is a lesson showing you how to win the victory next time." (Robert Collier)
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 11, 2009 5:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. Just clean house from the top down. Forfeit the season. Start lining up coaches now. Get the players that are actually worth keeping (there may be around 15) back in the wait room. Give them some Flintsones vitamins & some milk & ovaltine. Whatever it takes them to stay somewhat healthy like a normal NFL team. I mean seriously, has anyone else noticed the Bills players drop like fly’s year after year? What the heck is up with that?
by billskk69 on Oct 11, 2009 5:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I just don’t see one of the top flight head coaches available taking over a team during a season.
by Buffalonian on Oct 11, 2009 5:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
As a first time poster, let me just express my appreciation for Ron’s excellent weekly O-Line assessments (good luck with that this week)…
…now, vent mode I fully agree. Why wait? Clean house now, maybe find someone who can light a fire under these players. Jauron is a conservative coach, who runs a system that is predicated on veterans playing mistake free football. Does it have a small margin for error, even on the good days? Sure. But when you have a team consisting of rookies and second/third year guys who need to be coached up, who need to be disciplined, you get what you had today. Poor technique, no discipline. He is an awful fit for the team he’s been given.
To think that when/if players start to return from injury is going to make a significant difference is foolish. Edwards’ confidence is shot. TO is ready to hang it up for the year, Evans too. Orchard Park HS’ linebackers are in better shape than the Bills. The time has come to clean house, get rid of the vets and start over. I’m sure teams are looking for some depth we can exchange for some mid-range picks next year. Whaddya we got to lose? We’ve got some good young guys and BFLO fans love hard-working blue collar teams going all out – that’s what we’ll be left with, and they might win a couple games here and there if properly coached and motivated. So that should keep some fannies in the seats.
Honestly, we’re lucky to be 1-4. That’s pathetic and woefully underachieving given the talent we have. BFLO lost to a team that only completed TWO passes all game!!! With as many penalties as we had completed passes! I had the luxury of watching the Eagles Bucs game side by side to the Bills game – Josh Johnson, whoever that is, looked infinitely more confident under center for the Bucs. Yes, he threw 3 picks. But he looked downfield, he threaded a few needles, he was very aware in the pocket. Our guy, for all of his ‘smarts’, nearly threw 2 or more INTs, and threw a screen with 25 seconds left on the clock down 3 at the 40! By the end of the game, even the Eagles and Bucs fans were screaming at the Bills coaches/players! Vent mode off
As an aside, I thought Byrd had a pretty nice game, and I think Lynch caught our first successful slant of the year. And Nelson was open a lot, at least, in the middle of the field. Not that we threw to him.
And anyone who takes over now that is a ‘big-name’ will demand full personnel control, I’d bet. Would RW be willing to hand that over?
by T McGee on Oct 11, 2009 5:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
welcome.....
nice first post
"In every adversity there lies the seed of an equivalent advantage. In every defeat is a lesson showing you how to win the victory next time." (Robert Collier)
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 11, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had the luxury of watching the Eagles Bucs game side by side to the Bills game – Josh Johnson, whoever that is, looked infinitely more confident under center for the Bucs. Yes, he threw 3 picks. But he looked downfield, he threaded a few needles, he was very aware in the pocket.
Where’s Eric????
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 13, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m officially on the fire DJ bandwagon, but I’d just elevate Bobby April to head coach and hope that the team can slowly take on a different attitude and mindset with Jauron gone, even if it’s just to gets this team more ready to have a complete overhaul this offseason.
The reasons to not clean house on Monday are the same as they were last week. Good luck finding a suitable head coach any time soon. We’ve all seen that debate, so no point in having it again (and I’m sure we will see on this blog sometime soon). And if you do find a head coach, good luck finding a GM after you’ve got the coach and good luck getting the balance of power between coach and GM that we’re looking for.
What’s the rationale for keeping Kugler around?
I don’t think the blame lies with the guy who’s coaching the OL. I think the blame lies with whoever thought that Bell, rookie LG, Hang, rookie RG, Scott wouldn’t be a disaster.
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by kaisertown on Oct 11, 2009 5:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You’d elevate April? Why? His unit has been terrible all year and April himself caused the Bills to waste a time out in the second half. Fewell’s unit looks like the only one that is really trying.
Also, I think Kugler had to have some input in which linemen to retain and which to cast off. So, yeah, I’d can him, too.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. If Wilson wants to keep the Inner Circle concept then a guy like Holmgren makes sense. He’d have a lot of the benefits of being a GM (mainly player evaluations as it relates to the draft and free agency) without the complete set of responsibilities.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
by Ron From NM on Oct 11, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A guy doesn’t go from the most highly regarded special teams coach in the league to a bad coach in just five games. And if you’d rather go with Fewell (or anybody on the Bills staff, for that matter) as an interim, then that’s fine. In the same way that a hockey team goes to a backup goalie, I think the Bills need to fire Jauron just to change things up.
I think the inner circle has to go and this team needs a strong voice in the FO. John Guy and this team’s free agent additions have been disastrous. And the last thing I want is a head coach who has final say over who we draft in the 6th round. I also want a long term plan, not some quick rebuild job by a 60 year old guy like Holmgren. I want the guy who’s building the team to be here in 10 years.
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by kaisertown on Oct 11, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“A guy doesn’t go from the most highly regarded special teams coach in the league to a bad coach in just five games.”
I would have thought it unlikely too, but . .. here we are.
by Applsoss on Oct 11, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if we’re only going with the most recent history of a coach, then let’s just cross Mike Holmgren off the list. His Seahawks were dreadful last year. Shanahan is unemployed because he got fired and during the 2007-2008 seaons, his coaching record was one game better than Jauron. Gruden has lost four straight games as a head coach.
It’s been five games. April is still the same coach that he was two months ago.
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by kaisertown on Oct 11, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe April doesn't want to be HC and is coaching poorly hoping to get fired.
Poor ball security leads to very painful outcomes
by Joe P. on Oct 11, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
More likely, April hasn’t been able to adapt to the new rule changes and he hasn’t been able to turn rookies into competent players this year.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
by Ron From NM on Oct 11, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know… something has to be said for the front office’s blatant disregard for special teams players. They probably figured any warm body could be plugged into April’s units.
by Mark Parisi on Oct 11, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
disagree
the front office has keep way to many guys that are only good at special teams so when our starters get hurt we are stuck with guys that just dont have the talent to play in this league
by weswed51 on Oct 11, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, they brought back the punter, kicker, both returners, George Wilson, John Wendling, Corey McIntyre and Jon Corto as guys who only play specials. Spencer Johnson has a pretty big role on kick returns too and he’s back.
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by kaisertown on Oct 11, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then why are Jenkins, Wendling and Corto still here?
by twoeightnine on Oct 11, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Promote April to HC and see what happens, because this can’t possibly get any worse than what we’re experiencing right now.
by BillsfanfromDenmark on Oct 11, 2009 5:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ditto Ron’s comment in response to Kaisertown. You’d promote April given how the special teams unit is playing? You saw today’s game?
by Applsoss on Oct 11, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This organization needs to rebuild from the top down. Firing DJ right now does no good unless you have replaced the “inner circle” first. This team needs a GM/football guy to oversee change…
by krytime on Oct 11, 2009 5:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The organization may need a Parcells type GM but I doubt Wilson goes for it.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
by Ron From NM on Oct 11, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But it doesn’t have to be a Parcells type control guy. This team needs a working relationship between two main leaders. They need a head coach and GM who share the same plan and philosophies. And I’m not sure you can get that by hiring a strong HC first and the GM second.
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by kaisertown on Oct 11, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Charley Casserly was a competent GM. Yes, he had the Heath Schuler pick but helped pick some great defensive talent.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
by Ron From NM on Oct 11, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What’s your point? That Buffalo could find a GM who’s currently available? That’s probably true and I wouldn’t be surprised if a decent candidate like Casserly could find a head coach who is currentl available to get a good working relationship with.
So then the question comes down to money. Does Ralph and whoever is in his ear think the available guys are some of the best candidates and is he willing to pay the yearly salaries it would take and the additional hit of paying for two head coaches this season.
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by kaisertown on Oct 11, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
don’t need a GM to fire Dick now. Do need a GM before hiring a permanent replacement HC though
most of my posts get deleted :(
by dzil on Oct 11, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why does everyone want to promote April to head coach?
Honest question.
A) What makes you think he could actually do it? He’s never been a head coach, he’s never coordinated an offense, a defense, at any level, including high school and college.
B) Do you really want to get rid of the only coach we have that was able to have productive units in the past? (It’s been a disappointing year this year…) You make him interim head coach this year it will be the last year he’s on the Bills sideline. The team isn’t going to play well enough to save his job and there will be a search for a new headcoach in the offseason. Is Bobby really going to decide, ok, I’ll step back down to my old position for the new guy? He’ll be gone.
by twoeightnine on Oct 11, 2009 5:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agree
What make you people want to promote April out of all the people on the staff? Perry fewell seems like the right choice since he has been the most consistent coach on the staff.
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by Moe_frm_B_ on Oct 11, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What makes you think he could actually do it?
I have no clue whether or not he can. Honestly, I’m not sure I even care whether or not he could. My biggest reason for picking April over Fewell and the other interim candidates is that he’s probably the least like Jauron. My goal in promoting April wouldn’t necessarily be to win games, I’d be trying to change the mentality as much as possible and wipe the slate as clean as I can for the next coach.
Do you really want to get rid of the only coach we have that was able to have productive units in the past?
Nope, but that’s a price I’m willing to pay. I think Buffalo’s commitment to special teams has been as big a factor as April’s coaching. Do we know if Bobby April is even under contract for next year? It’s possible that he’s a goner next year anyways. And I’m one of the few who actually thinks that if April is under contract for next season, then a new HC could be pursuaded to bring April back considering that his salary here is probably higher than he could get anywhere else.
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by kaisertown on Oct 11, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d be trying to change the mentality as much as possible and wipe the slate as clean as I can for the next coach.
Good thought here kaiser. Agreed….
by krytime on Oct 11, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately
They aren’t changing any mentality anytime soon. This weak, play not-to-lose crap came in 3+ years ago with Jauron and won’t be easy to break, IMO. There needs to be a house cleaning before the mentality changes, which includes bringing in a new GM and head coach with their own philosophies.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Oct 12, 2009 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, but even if an interim like April can start to chip away at the Jauron feel of the team, I think it’s worth it. The majority of the vets might need to go too. But maybe some of the younger guys would respond well to a new head coach and start to develop in ways they weren’t with Jauron. I know there isn’t much to gain by going the interim route, but I don’t think there is much to lose either.
I signed up for Second Life about a year ago. Back then my life was so great that I literally wanted a second one. In my Second Life I was also a paper salesman and I was also named Dwight. Absolutely everything was the same. Except I could fly. - Dwight Schrute
by kaisertown on Oct 12, 2009 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
CRAP!!
WGR are suggesting cleaning house and trading Marshawn
Noooooooooooooooo!!!!
Either believe in your team or don’t coach it
FEED the BEAST!
by keysh67 on Oct 11, 2009 6:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not a bad idea.....depends on what we can get for him. Need to do it before the off season though
Poor ball security leads to very painful outcomes
by Joe P. on Oct 11, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t want to get rid of him, he is an amazing powerful runner. I still dream of the day where we could get a power running game going in buffalo, with a new coach it could happen.
Either believe in your team or don’t coach it
FEED the BEAST!
by keysh67 on Oct 12, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't want to get rid of him either, but
if someone wanted to give enough picks for him, why not???? We have too many holes to fill. We have Jackson. Lynch is no AP. Average RBs are a dime a dozen. He is one “mistake” away from missing significant time. If we get the right offer, I would jump on it.
Poor ball security leads to very painful outcomes
by Joe P. on Oct 12, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Should have traded Evans last year
Probably could have gotten some decent picks. Now he’s just a vastly overpaid, underachiever….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Oct 11, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Should have traded Evans last year
In hindsight, that’d been a great idea. You know my feelings on him; he’s not a number one.
by krytime on Oct 11, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's not looking like a #2 anymore either
but he’s paid like a top 5 WR in the NFL….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Oct 12, 2009 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s number 10 in yearly average.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 13, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they trade Marshawn they deserve to lose. Freddy is not and should not be our #1 back, he proved that today.
Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.
by UZ on Oct 12, 2009 2:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the avatar Ron. I knew it would come in handy this season.
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by Joe P. on Oct 11, 2009 6:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’ve got it framed and matted on my living room wall…
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by Ron From NM on Oct 11, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just heard on WGR that Jauron makes 3M/year ?? Can that be true?
Either believe in your team or don’t coach it
FEED the BEAST!
by keysh67 on Oct 11, 2009 6:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah...I think that is what he resigned for
Good Luck With Your Firings Mr. Wilson….Go Bills!
by killascript on Oct 11, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why wouldn’t it? Ralph isn’t half as cheap as people think.
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by kaisertown on Oct 11, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
From your keyboard to the fans ears.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 13, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would like to also add that Trent Edwards is not good enough to carry this team, and he doesn’t have to. He can’t even hit the open recievers, or throw the ball past the first down marker on 3rd down.
I would make a trade for Mike Vick right now….but maybe thats why we were in “talks” to get him, per some rumor that was dismissed but probably true to a minimal extent.
Trent and the all of the coaches have to go. Other QBs with less talent at the skill positions and similar lines have done better, and we are getting worse and worse.
Is it jus coaching, robably not. And the QB has a lot to do with it. I have had it…
Good Luck With Your Firings Mr. Wilson….Go Bills!
by killascript on Oct 11, 2009 6:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Or Kolb
Either believe in your team or don’t coach it
FEED the BEAST!
by keysh67 on Oct 11, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
or anyone
we need a new QB and I am ready to see Fotzpatrick get a shot at least. It can’t get much worse. How many offensive points in three games? 13?
Good Luck With Your Firings Mr. Wilson….Go Bills!
by killascript on Oct 11, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cincinatti scored an average of 11.8 points per game when Fitz played last year. They never scored more than 21 points.
Of the 32 players who lead their team in pass attempts, Fitz’s yards per attempt was the lowest …. by 2/3rds of a yard. Fitzpatrick had one game last year where he averaged over 6.5 yards per pass and in 7 of his games, he averaged fewer than 5 yards per attempt (he played in 12 games).
It can definitely get worse.
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by kaisertown on Oct 11, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our O is averaging 11.2 ppg this year.
At some point, Fitz is going to get his chance this year.
~K
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by Kurupt on Oct 11, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fact is, this offense is playing far worse than it should be. Coach+QB can be the only reasons why in my mind. Trent has enough time to throw, and there are routes where players get open quickly. He is just looking at the wrong place at the wrong time, which means he is not a good QB. It is what is happening.
Perhaps, the inept coaching is getting to him, and that is the only thing I’ll give him, that he is not prepared for these games.
It doesn’t matter….Jerry Sullivan is going to explain why again Jauron should be fired, and will probably use the Brandon wuote of
“I;m not the one to ask”about how it all goes upstairs to Ralph and drawing connections to why RW didn’t have his ceremony at half-time (rightly so I might add)
And thus, the Bills are a bottom 5 team in this league. I dare anyone to argue against that
Good Luck With Your Firings Mr. Wilson….Go Bills!
by killascript on Oct 11, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But but but but
And thus, the Bills are a bottom 5 team in this league. I dare anyone to argue against that
but we won 7 games last year and we beat the Bucs by two scores this year and almost beat the Patriots and hung with the Saints for a half, etc, etc, etc. The excuses roll out when anyone makes that statement, but the track record of futility and empty January’s says it all….
~K
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by Kurupt on Oct 12, 2009 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We’ll have a game in January this year. :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 13, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you can argue it. Rams, Chiefs, Raiders, Bucs. So unless the Bills are worse than both the Browns (I know they just lost to them) and the Lions (I know they just played the Steelers tough), then they’re not a bottom five team.
At the very least, the Bills are on a different (better) level of suck than Oakland and St. Louis, so they’re only on the second worst tier of teams.
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by kaisertown on Oct 12, 2009 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
Bills are sucking right along with the Raiders and the Rams and the Browns and the Bucs…and yes I think the Lions are better than the Bills.
Actually, there are about 7 very bad teams when you include the Redskins. But fact is, we are terrible. No better way to slice it…
Good Luck With Your Firings Mr. Wilson….Go Bills!
by killascript on Oct 12, 2009 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We’ll have to agree to disagree.
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by kaisertown on Oct 12, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why did DJ sign him?
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by keysh67 on Oct 12, 2009 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because he’s smart. Didn’t turn the ball over much as the season wore on. And he’s a good fit in Buffalo’s no huddle, check down offense.
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by kaisertown on Oct 12, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Vick.
He’s one of those players that is a phenomenal athlete that somehow makes teams better by leaving them. Think Stephon Marbury.
by oompaloompa on Oct 11, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The franchise is in deep trouble for at least the next couple of years. The O-Line has been our achilles heal for years. Until we get solid time to throw, it doesn’t matter who the head coach is. Trent isn’t the answer. He wa sharing time with JP, af ormer first round pick. NOBODY signed JP. NOBODY even invited him to a tryout. He couldn’t even make a team as a 3rd string qb. Yet he was battling Trent for our starting qb position. People we have no talent (not including Evans & Moorman) or depth on this team. We finally get a pro bowl LT and we go on the cheap initially then its too late to save the relationship. Good teams find ways to keep their pro bowl players. Lets hope these rookie O-linemen become solid starters, but it will take years. Until then, maybe start watching college football on Saturdays
by bwoog on Oct 11, 2009 6:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
NOBODY even invited him to a tryout. He couldn’t even make a team as a 3rd string qb.
We don’t know that. He may have turned teams down. He said he wanted a shot at a starting job and in the absence of that may have refused tryouts.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 13, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Enough with the big name coaches
That’s not going to solve anything.
We need a GM, someone with final say over personnel decisions and one who has an actual plan. He needs to clean house and bring in his own coach. Discussing coaches should be an afterthought at this point. We should be discussing GM candidates and whether or not Ralph would actually hire one. And also whether or not that guy would actually want to put up with Ralph’s meddling.
~K
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by Kurupt on Oct 11, 2009 9:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes! No Big Names!
That is the most rational approach I’ve seen suggested yet.
by oompaloompa on Oct 11, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t understand why a big name coach would want to come to Buffalo, anyways. If these coaches are going to be in such high demand at the end of the season, like everyone says, then why would a coach want to come to a pathetic Buffalo team over more competent big market teams like Dallas and Washington where they’ll have all sorts of money for players, assistants, etc. I’d rather have a good GM find a lesser known but ambitious coach to help form some type of identity within this franchise. But, knowing the Bills, they’ll half-a$$ it and find some old, over the hill head coach who hasn’t won nearly enough in his uncelebrated but recognized career (for example, Dick Jauron). Jimmy Clausen 2010.
by tpsabres on Oct 11, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well we ain't getting one of those for a long time.
No team is going to grant permission to talk with any of their staff right now and who else is out there?
by twoeightnine on Oct 12, 2009 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Promote Modrak
Either believe in your team or don’t coach it
FEED the BEAST!
by keysh67 on Oct 12, 2009 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hasn’t Modrak said in the past that he doesn’t want full-out GM duties? Even if he did, I don’t like the idea, because it promotes continuity.
Outside hire, folks.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 12, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You’ll be looking elsewhere for something you already have?
Either believe in your team or don’t coach it
FEED the BEAST!
by keysh67 on Oct 12, 2009 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you’re saying we already have a GM, I’ll laugh in your face.
Yes – I’m looking elsewhere. Ralph tried continuity, and it didn’t work. Continuity now means preserving a culture, and that is THE VERY LAST thing that needs to happen right now. Outside hire = new culture. That’s what we need.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 12, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you’re use of CAPs is un-called for, just because I don’t necessarily agree with you is no excuse.
Either believe in your team or don’t coach it
FEED the BEAST!
by keysh67 on Oct 12, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about those caps in your signature?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 12, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only if you think I’m yelling. I’m not. I’m emphasizing.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 12, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't care if you are yelling....caps don't bother me at all
At least you are showing some emotion, right :-)
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by Joe P. on Oct 12, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 12, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec a million times over. Continuity is exactly NOT what this team needs.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 12, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought you like continuity???
You defended it all offseason!!!
Continuity was the WORST thing for this franchise this past January. It was obvious then, and even more obvious now.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Oct 12, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My stance was that continuity was worth a try. I liked the idea of trying something different for a year. It’s been tried. It’s clearly failed. Time to move on.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 12, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I liked the idea of trying something different for a year.
Haha, except it wasn’t something different. It was the same thing, which was the problem!
Time to move on indeed….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Oct 12, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant in the sense that we’d rifled through head coaches in three-or-less years three times (Wade, Gregg, Mularkey). But I think you knew what I meant. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 12, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What has Modrak done to deserve that promotion???
Not that he wants it anyhow.
Modrak has been as much of the problem as anyone.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Oct 12, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I need to rehash my sig from earlier this season:
“Wouldn’t it be ironic if this team imploded and it had nothing to do with TO?”
I remain convinced that somehow Drew Rosenhaus negotiated a playing time deal for Roscoe into the contract for TO.
by thefourwinds on Oct 12, 2009 1:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
IF we are serious about cleaning house as K has noted, we MUST MUST MUST get ourselves a solid FO in place 1st
No questions asked here about that folks. We need a FO who has a vision, a plan, and the PEOPLE to make it work. We need to rob a solid franchise that has had people be successful in the FO system for years in keeping their team competitive regardles, say like the Ravens. Who would complain if we stole their Ast. GM and maybe their head scout to run our FO along with keeping Brandon around to keep selling tickets for them, that would work in my book.
But seriously, what are the consistently good FO’s in the this league?
Giants (since Reese took over)
Ravens
Patriots
Colts
Steelers
Packers
Titans
Chargers
Well, the Chargers and Colts are out due to our past history with their currents GMs and their contentious relationships with Ralph, so that leaves us with the Pats,Giants, Ravens, Steelers, Packers and Titans as our sources for the next GM of our team, maybe we all should take a look that them and come up with a list of guys who could do the job….
As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Fewell, common sense says to play UP on the line against the slant.
by WABillsfan on Oct 12, 2009 4:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Philly stole Modrak from the Steelers, he did great in his first and only year with Philly by drafting McNabb. Then Andy Reid got him ousted. On a side note: Andy Reid has done a good job as a HC/GM
We stole Donahue from the Steelers and look where that got us… But Donahue hired Modrak who worked for him in Pittsburgh. Modrak has done a great job for us in Buffalo. I will remind everyone that on several occasions Jauron has overridden him in drafts, such as in 2006 where Modrak has said publicly that he wanted Cutler instead of Whitner.
I agree that we need to eliminate the innner circle crap and go back to a GM structure. I think Modrak deserves a chance to rebuild this team. Promiote him today and let him start the interview process.
Either believe in your team or don’t coach it
FEED the BEAST!
by keysh67 on Oct 12, 2009 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You realize that would most likely rule out Cowher and Shannohan?
Last night I had a dream that Mike Nolan was our new HC. Not what most of us want to see happen, but he sure fits the profile of the type of coaches Ralf likes to hire.
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by Joe P. on Oct 12, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s doing an awesome job in Denver.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 13, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't destroy everything
I don’t think our players are that bad especially on the defensive side of the ball. Both starting safeties are out, our middle linebackers are gone and one starting conerback is out and we are still playing pretty strong. Add to that the fact that the offense is not helping at all and it looks like an above average defense.
The problem is coaching, Edwards playing soft and our Offensive tackles. I really don’t think we are that far away from a very good team. So I hope we don’t throw everything out. In fact, if Maybin ever does anything, this years draft might end up being one of our best.
All the potential just shows how bad the coaching has been. (except for the defense).
by Bill Frank on Oct 12, 2009 5:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
One of my biggest concerns
is that this organzation saw fit to deal Jason Peters and can Langston Walker because one was a malcontent and the other didn’t fit athletically with the no-huddle, and was asked to play a position he was sure to fail at.
So they let pride get the best of them with Peters and stupidity over a scheme get the best of them with Walker. Why not pay a player they know is better on the field 6 out of 7 days, and scrap a scheme that isn’t tailored to the offensive line they’ve assembled?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 12, 2009 7:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think they've been proven right with Walker
since he’s still sitting at home waiting for a job from anyone. He wasn’t just canned because he didn’t fit the no-huddle; he had regressed from last year…
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Oct 12, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So they let pride get the best of them with Peters
How can you say that when it was just as much pride of Peters that prevented him from signing here? The Bills offered him a big contract and he reportedly said he wanted to be the highest paid OT in the league. Does that make sense when he has proven to not play through injuries and that he may flake out at any time? Signing Peters to a 10M plus deal wouldn’t have been a smart move either. If I am choosing between 10M+ a year and Peters I am not signing Peters either.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 13, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Progress in 10 years!
What is despicable about this organization and even shameful, is that they never seem to make any progress. I suppose every Bills fan bought into the T.O. Kool-Aid, but with a young offensive line committing so many penalties and QB that isn’t that good, should have known better.
They have to clean house by getting a G.M. that knows football and a coach who comes from a winning organization. I don’t care about a big name coach like a Holmgren or whoever, because their seems to be a lot of unproven coaches like Peyton with the Saints and McDaniels with the Broncos, who seem to know how to win.
Jauron will go down in the annals of coaching failures, both at Chicago and now with the Bills.
And remember when Bills fans wanted them to draft Cushing, looks like they could use him now and he was leading the Texans in tackles. Instead we watch Maybin, who should be a junior in college, rather than do nothing week after week.
Another example of this organization making terrible decisions year after year!
by BuffaloWhiner on Oct 12, 2009 9:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LBs generally make big impacts in year one. DEs usually take a while. It’s unfair to compare the two at this point anyways. They have played all of 5 weeks.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 13, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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