Bills drop third straight in bewildering fashion
There really are not enough words in the English language to describe the extent of the Buffalo Bills' bad play over the last three weeks. Coming off of an embarrassing 38-10 road loss to Miami, the Bills found a way to top even that pathetic performance, losing a miserable 6-3 home game to the previously winless Cleveland Browns. Buffalo has now lost to winless teams in consecutive weeks as they have watched a promising 1-1 start dwindle to 1-4.
As far as this particular game goes, you don't need to look any further than 13 penalties - 9 of them by six different offensive linemen - and two turnovers as culprits behind the loss. Even as poorly as Buffalo played, they'd have beaten Cleveland today if they had not beaten themselves.
But that's not even close to the whole story. The crowd was deservedly miserable. Ralph Wilson's halftime ceremony, in which he was scheduled to receive his Hall of Fame ring, never happened. The offense was terrible, mostly due, again, to the penalties. Two more Bills players - Kawika Mitchell and Marcus Buggs - suffered what appear to be long-term injuries. Derek Anderson, Cleveland's starting quarterback du jour, threw for 23 yards and an interception - and emerged as the winning quarterback. Roscoe Parrish literally handed the game to the Browns on a silver platter by fumbling a punt deep in his own territory late in the fourth quarter. Oh, and Dick Jauron? My guess is that fans calling for his head don't need to ask "if" anymore; it now looks like a matter of "when."
I'm probably forgetting other ugly things, too. I definitely know I'm leaving descriptive nouns and adjectives out of this post, but what's the point? I don't need to say any of this, because the team's issues are gloriously obvious. Unless Wilson gets fed up and brings the hammer sooner than any of us expect, we've got eleven more weeks of this crap to look forward to. The hammer is coming, but for many, it already hasn't come soon enough.
More tomorrow. For now, vent.
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I don't know what to feel right now.
Congratulations to the Browns on their first win. Was that the first time a QB won a game with the stat line Anderson produced?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 11, 2009 5:37 PM EDT reply actions
their point total of 10 was more than double his QB rating, yet he still beat the Bills.
most of my posts get deleted :(
Really glad I didn’t make the trek to a sports bar just to watch this one.
by PatbergIX on Oct 11, 2009 5:38 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Why didn't the halftime ceremony take place?
Did they just feel the crowd was in too ugly a mood for it?
Not sure. Wasn’t surprised it didn’t. It was pretty freaking cold up there today.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 11, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
your totally wrong, it was a total cover up so he didn’t get booed, the place was pissed, trust me i was there. and lol no it wasn’t because of the wind. Even the post game guys said they totally covered it up when they asked them about it. And just think, when was the last time there was “NO” halftime show at all?
LOL – not sure how I can be “totally wrong” when I answered “Not sure” in response to the question.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 12, 2009 6:48 AM EDT up reply actions
He could not have known the whole place would be pissed on Friday.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 12, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
“Whhhaaaa, mooooove? You want me to moooove the team?”
by twoeightnine on Oct 11, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
On Friday Ralph phoned the HoF and said he wasn’t feeling up to it. He didn’t participate in the pregame ceremony honoring Andre Reed either.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 12, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
It has reached that point.
The hats are going back into the closet. The magnets are coming off my Jeep. The jersey may be ripped up and tossed in the trash, but since it was a gift and it would be too good for it anyways…I’ll keep it around for a little while longer. PATHETIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I’ll never waiver from my fandom (unless they go west coast). I’m hopeful that all the Bills merch goes 75% off early and I can get a sweet throwback. They might as well sell stuff while they still can.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 11, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Its not that
I will always hope the Bills win and remain in Buffalo, but they are showing nothing. Nothing with no hope or any effort to make things better. They needed LB’s during the off season and after Poz got hurt and what did they do? Nothing but change the lineup a little. The O-line was brand new this year across the board. Injuries took place there too and what did they do? A little shuffle of back ups. They could have signed somebody…anybody. They are in need of a real head coach and when they had the chance to get rid of ol’Dick, they extend him. It is so time for the old guy to move on and let someone else turn this team around. I would never hope for anyone to die, (other than terrorists or child molesters perhaps) but it really is time for a new owner and the only way that will happen is if he does pass on. This team has no spirit, no desire to improve from top to bottom and the team colors should be changed to pink for good and not just during breast cancer month.
What a lame paper bag
No creativity whatsoever.
Our team is just pathetic. Maybe worse. We’re the only team the Browns have beaten in their last 12 games, and it was TWICE!
At least our pass defense numbers improve for the season!
~K
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Someone should arrest the entire team.
They’ve stolen millions of dollars from the fans.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 11, 2009 5:40 PM EDT reply actions
Agree
What’s the point anymore… We are now just watching the guillotine come down on Jauron’s neck… Whether it is painfully slow or quick is up to WIlson.
"You play to win the game, you don't play to just play it" - Herm Edwards
by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 11, 2009 5:40 PM EDT reply actions
hoping Ralph realizes he will lose more money by keeping Jauron than by paying him to leave.
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How do you figure?
"You play to win the game, you don't play to just play it" - Herm Edwards
by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 11, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
It was really hard........figuring out which game to watch/follow
This stellar display of football……
Or watching the Angels drive a stake through the heart of “The Nation”
I cant be in a bad mood either way!
Oh and my prediction came true sorta I guess about the “Fire Richard” stuff…..and the Bills losing.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 11, 2009 5:40 PM EDT reply actions
Thing is – I don’t see ANY improvement on the field by firing Jauron. Unless those penalties are intentional by the players just to bring the axe down.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 11, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
coaching is where discipline comes from. how can you say a coaching change wont make a difference?
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absolutely agree…there is NO discipline and that’s coaching. B-Day cake at the 50 after practice, while nice, doesn’t instill discipline. He’s not their friend, he’s their coach. I’m sure Ralph, as tight as he is, isn’t paying Jauron to make friends.
It’s a proven fact, he is a losing coach. That’s why the extension was such a shock. How did we all know this was coming and the “boss” didn’t? Unless he’s sleep walking through the remaining time he owns this pig.
I don’t think they have good enough players.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 11, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
You kidding me?
This season is going to get him an extra contract next year with a contender. If he doesn’t blow up with a team this bad some contender is going to take a chance on him.
by twoeightnine on Oct 11, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I think they should trade him to a contender for some draft picks. That would be the smart thing to do, because he’s not sticking around after this year, so he really doesn’t do us any good. It’s not even like he can even help out with the development of James Hardy. Does anybody know when he should be back?
I think they should trade him to a contender for some draft picks.
I think this is an awesome idea.
I remain convinced that somehow Drew Rosenhaus negotiated a playing time deal for Roscoe into the contract for TO.
by thefourwinds on Oct 12, 2009 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Nothing up on the BuffaloBills.com website? It was a home game this time, where is everything? I want to hear Jauron drone on-and-on about how they need to get better for next week… That always cheers me up.
Also, I hope someone has the cojones to ask him “Do you, sir, deserve to be the Buffalo Bills coach next week?”
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by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 11, 2009 5:45 PM EDT reply actions
For everyone's sanity
I posted this a few minutes ago in one of the fanposts, but I think everyone should read it and think about stepping back from the ledge.
The second I knew Jauron was going to be coaching again this year, I knew we had no realistic chance. Most people can’t accept the fact that this is an awful football team, and when you try to sprinkle some reality into their lives, they turn hostile and call you a hater, a pessimist, a bandwagon fan, or worse.
I still watch every game (and I have to go to a bar because I no longer live anywhere near Buffalo) and root hard, but I’m not letting the losses get to me anymore. For me, the breaking point was the Jets game last year. I suggest all other Bills fan adopt my stance. The highs are just as high, but the lows aren’t nearly as low.
I go into every game hopeful and optimistic, but when we inevitably blow it in heart-breaking fashion, I don’t let it bring me down anymore.
Maybe I should point out that I’m also a Penn State alumni and a Cubs fan, so I’ve had lots of experience dealing with sickening losses.
totally agree... been saying this since after halftime of week 3.
That Bucs game is going to cost us!
Can Roscoe please get cut?
He is absolutely horrible this year.
At a minimum, please bench him and give steve a chance & let him return kicks.
Either believe in your team or don’t coach it
FEED the BEAST!
i like roscoe, and the game wasn’t his fault. The bills probably punted 15 times, trent is a horrible q.b. there was a ton of guys open downfield and he just doesn’t want to throw it. I give credit to roscoe for at least TRYING to make a play for this horrible team. Trent won’t try so y not let parrish try.
I don’t like Trent any more than you do. I am come to accept the fact that we need another QB but my comment was about Parrish. He has not played well this year at all. He is way too small to be an effective NFL player. I even wonder if when he did do well if it wasn’t the quality blocking in front of him? Cause this year ST are horrible and the blocking is downright ugly and he is doing very poorly… My problem with Roscoe is that he’s using up a valuable roster spot that could be used by someone else.
Either believe in your team or don’t coach it
FEED the BEAST!
Ive been a bills fan for my entire life. i’ve been through the super bowls, the music city miracle…etc etc.
these past few games are just too much. seriously reconsidering for the future…
by quantumuprising on Oct 11, 2009 5:57 PM EDT reply actions
this is what sets you over the edge?
i know we are all in despair, but a good off season with some top notch hirings can turn this team around in a heartbeat…..i will always keep the faith.
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by silverstreak3k on Oct 11, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
The Jets are gonna kick Buffalo butt next week
Should be no contest…30-40 point crushing sounds about right
what about the second half?
Do you thnk Rex will get a call from his brother on how to “handle” our offense?
I think it will involve them saying
here’s the ball.
by twoeightnine on Oct 11, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, at least
we are seeing what a Jauron defense looks like. Not bad eh!
I think Jauron is fine to keep for the rest of the year to help the kids develop. Cowher will not sign now until things shake out.
BTW, the only joy i had today was watching the Redskins lose and I have to say, say what you will about DJ, y’all need to watch Jim Zorn’s after game press conference. At least we don’t have that guy.
So glad I wasn't able to watch this game.
Don’t know if I would have anyways if I could. I had a feeling the game would turn out like this. Oh well…..Funny thing is, I really don’t care.
Hopefully we get this thing turned around at some point, until then, it’s whatever
"9/27/09 Orchard Park, NY. 4th & 1, Bills 29 yard line. Down by 10 with 7+ minutes to play in the 4th quarter. DJ elects to punt" -- The exact moment in time Dick Jauron finally lost his team...
Brian Moorman played a good game. His punts had good hang time and he was dealing with the wind.
I also think field turf held up pretty good at the game – this i was worried about
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Trent Edwards - Backup QB until furthur notice. Care to prove me wrong Trent?
by J2 on Oct 11, 2009 6:05 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
you’re right. the turf was nice
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by dzil on Oct 11, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Even the turf failed...
It looked like Buggs got caught in it trying to cut when he hurt himself.
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by Stephen Schmidt on Oct 11, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I think
most fans have passed the point of anger. now it’s being resigned to the reality of a hopeless situation.
most of my posts get deleted :(
.most fans have passed the point of anger. now it’s being resigned to the reality of a hopeless situation.
anyone out there read Kathrine Kubbler Ross. she could have been talking about us.
buffalo was my home black rock my neighborhood, and the Bills my curse
Seriously
Who do you blame for Trent Edwards’ disappointing play? He was/is the still the key to this team this season…….and he has underachieved, big-time. You can’t blame EVERYTHING on Jauron (and I am on record saying from the beginning that he was a POOR hire).
So, I expected the Bills always lose under DJ , but I admit I am surprised our QB looks this bad. I thought he would be better than this, by now. Any thoughts?
thoughts?
He sucks. No need to overthink it
by Frank Reich Revolution on Oct 11, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
The organization and fans in support of Edwards will point to the wind during today’s game. Well last I knew, it’s the same damned wind that’s been there since Lake Erie was carved and it’s the same damned wind that Jim Kelly had no problem with.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 11, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
This whole team is a crock.......
Edwards included right now.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 11, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Gasp!
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 11, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Well he is part of the problem and he's on the team.
See Im not a total homer.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 11, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Right. he will be a decent back up as long as the starter doesn’t get hurt, the defense does not rush, there is no wind, no rain, no snow… Oh well. Forget that noise.
If Kyle Orton can light it up, why can’t Edwards? Will Edwards ever throw for 300 in a game?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 11, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
NO
he will never throw for 300 yards
"Next time I get the opportunity I am going to hold on and make a better decision." ~ Leodis McKelvin. (Can't ask for anythitng more than that)
by NolaBillsFan on Oct 11, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
NO he will never throw for 300 yards
do you include interceptions
buffalo was my home black rock my neighborhood, and the Bills my curse
It’s some combo of coaching and decision making. Probably impossible for us to tell what the ratio is. The coaches aren’t putting him in a good spot to succeed and/or he can’t execute an offense designed around him.
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In 2009 it's all on the line
As Mark Gaughn wrote on his Live Chat on Friday: “if your O-Line is in crisis, it PARALYZES the entire team” (his emphasis, not mine). That’s the heart of the problem. It all radiates out from there. Yes, the LB Corps is staggering from numerous injuries, the pass rush isn’t what it should be, and Special Teams are underperforming. But the Browns only scored 6 points despite all of that.
If the Bills’ offense had been in rhythm (as Trent put it in his press conference) and simply scored one TD we would have won. But they weren’t in rhythm — thanks almost entirely to the o-line. I know Brian likes to avoid pointing the finger at one source of trouble, but this time the o-line was 90% of the story.
But teams with bad offensive lines have done much, much better than the Bills are doing. And if the OL is a problem, maybe the Bills should run quicker developing plays (coaching) or Trent should get rid of the ball quicker (decision making). Obviously the OL is an issue, but it can’t be 90% of the story for a team that has 10 offensive points (13 if you turn the ST TD into a FG) in the last three games.
Did you see any of last week’s MNF game? Rodgers was under just as much pressure as Trent has seen. He took 8 sacks and still threw for almost 400 yards while the Packers at least managed to put 23 points on the board.
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I didn’t see the MNF game (don’t have cable), but I heard that the Packers essentially flooded the field with receivers, giving Rodgers lots of targets all the time. Perhaps the Bills should try that. What they are doing instead is using TE’s and RB’s for max-protection schemes and sending only two WR’s out into a pattern, where they are easily covered. That means that Trent does not have anyone to throw to much of the time. And of course the reason they are resorting to max-protect is that the regular o-line can’t yet get the job done.
Maybe it’s just me, but I havn’t seen a whole of max protect. I hardly remember TEs hanging in to block at all. Espcially in the shotgun, I recall the Bills mostly leaving one back in to block which gives them four receivers running around.
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I agree with Kaiser, I didn’t see much Max-protect either
The main difference is that Trent cannot throw the ball with any velocity, no ZIP at all. So the quick slants into tight spots are not even in his repertoire. You’ll notice that he only throws the ball when he sees the receiver wide open. I haven’t seen him throw an anticipation throw once this year and I’ve watched every game. Even his throwing motion looks like a sissy.
Let’s face it, he just doesn’t have the physical tools. He might be smart, which helps him get away from not having the physical attributes but it can only get you so far… Last night I watched the master, man I love to watch Peyton Manning at work, this guy is absolutely amazing. Trent is pop warner caliber compared to Peyton Manning.
Either believe in your team or don’t coach it
FEED the BEAST!
Aaron Rodgers is lightyears ahead of Trent as a QB
and has far superior physical tools.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Hey Mack, I know that you were as vocal as I was about drafting Alex Mack last off season. He looked pretty good yesterday, I still would have prefered drafting him over Wood any day of the week
Either believe in your team or don’t coach it
FEED the BEAST!
It wasn't an option
~K
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sure it was....could have passed on Maybin.....just sayin.
Poor ball security leads to very painful outcomes
For a center at 11. That’s like reaching for Whitner times a thousand.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 12, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
never said it wouldn't be a reach, but that it was possible
Some have called Maybin a reach. If Mack anchors that line for the next 12 years and goes to multiple ProBowls, and Maybin never develops into more than a situational pass rusher, will you feel the same? Only time will tell.
Poor ball security leads to very painful outcomes
Just curious
I’m just curious if he ever watched any film of a team that threw a 300 yard game. He has two of the best receiver’s in the nfl and he can’t get them the ball more than 3-4 times for more that 40-50 yards. I think they should try the back-up … who ever it is. They need to stop the bleeding.
may never know
the offensive line during his tenure has been a patchwork and now is a college level line. He has “glimpses” of success but he has happy feet and does not/cannot wait for routes to develop. Until they can protect him (the world ends 12/21/12), we may never know if he’s any good.
I liked it when the one announcer on TV said that Ralph Wilson Jr. is "the greatest sports figure in western new york history. I guess he hasn’t been around Buffalo in the last, say, five years(+).
You really want to dispute that claim? Without Wilson Buffalo is a Triple-A city. It’s a minor league town.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 12, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes.
When Wilson put the team here Buffalo was the 20th largest city in America. He had absolutely no competition for the city’s money, the Braves and Sabres wouldn’t be established for another 10 years. It was the largest metropolis in the Eastern states without a top-level professional team. It was the obvious place to put a team.
Remember that Wilson himself didn’t even want Buffalo, he only picked the city after he failed at putting a team in Miami.
by twoeightnine on Oct 13, 2009 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1082018/index.htm
Ten years after the Bills were founded in Buffalo MLB and the NHL both said no thanks to Buffalo in 1969. They saw the writing on the wall, though the NHL placed the Sabres in Buffalo a year later. I am well aware that Wilson chose Miami first but the fact remains that no single person looms larger in Buffalo sports history and it’s not even close.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 13, 2009 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure why everyone is so shocked...
in the future, we will look back on this day and say “that’s when we stopped being mediocre. Oh no, sure we limped to a 2-14 finish, but that loss to the Browns really set us on the right track.” Instead of drafting 11th like we do every year, we’ll finally get to draft top 5! Optimism people, optimism!
Maybe, but good luck trading out of one of those picks. Teams often try and rarely can.
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great so we can pay some kid tens of millions of dollars to come here and have the weight of the entire city on his shoulders.....
sounds like a great plan.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 11, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Mark Sanchez isnt the sole reason the Jets are good......
That team was 8-3 at one point last year………
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by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 11, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Their defense is the sole reason the Jets are good.
by twoeightnine on Oct 11, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
yes thank you for backing up my point.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 11, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
How'd the last top 5 pick go for the Bills?
Be careful what you wish for. I’d just be happy w/ them taking a player at a slot they belong, not 10 spots too soon.
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by bluecollarbuffalo on Oct 11, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm curious to see ...
If Jauron can go even lower than his 3% approval rating on ESPN.com
I can’t even describe how low things are. This is a miserable team and franchise.
Well at least hockey season is here …
yep
its down to 1% approve…..98% disapprove. I think they saved him the one percent to be nice
Hahahaha.....because that one percent would make me feel better if I were Jauron :-)
Poor ball security leads to very painful outcomes
I wish I liked hockey. Though I don’t need another sport to consume me.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 11, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Fantasy question
- would one drop TO from there fantasy team at this point? I’m thinking after today he is going to go into a shell. Maclin from Philly had a great day and he is available in my league. Or do you think some sap would take him in a trade?
I’m also thinking dropping the Bills D might not be a bad move. It’s hard to get points for returns with all the muffed punt/kick returns.
TO is useless
I don’t know whose available in your league, but Miles Austin of Dallas is worth a look since Roy Williams is out. Eddie Royal is coming on. Chansi Stuckey and Cotchery are better option is available. Heck Antwan Randle El may be a better option.
I have Royal now. He’s been on my bench but I had a feeling he’d turn it around. We limit our transactions to 10 per year (trades are limitless) and I’m at 6 already, so I have to be smart about it. I don’t want to pick up someone who will only be out there for 2-3 weeks until the guy they are replacing comes back. I doubt anyone will want TO at this point. Maybe I’ll bench him & see what happens.
There's not a single bills player worth owning right now
Especially going into the Jets game. You could try to trade TO, maybe someone will buy into the name (like all of us did at the start of the season)
by Frank Reich Revolution on Oct 11, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Amen to that
He really is a good player, just on a really bad team. I got him in like the 5-6 round. People were staying away from him like the plague. Now I know why.
and Evans was supposed to have a big fantasy year
with all the attention TO was going to take, remember?
by Frank Reich Revolution on Oct 11, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
How ‘bout that wrist-flicker to Evans just to give him a catch. If I was Evans, i’d be talking to Eric Moulds to see how he handled the mediocrity.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 11, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously, you need to ask this question?
I dropped Evans last week for Kenny Britt. You are likely to find better value for Owens on your waiver wire than anyone will offer in a trade.
The Dick Jauron version of the K-Gun...the Squirt Gun.
press conference is up
what a joke. Jauron: “there’s not much the guys wanna hear right now”
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Except maybe "I quit"!!
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by Kurupt on Oct 11, 2009 7:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I was more disgusted with Trent than Dick
when asked about how he would feel if he were a Bills fan right now Trent:“…I’m not a Bills fan….I am a player…….” Nice Trent. Would it be so hard to say you understand why fans are frustrated right now. Even T.O. got that answer right!!!!!
Poor ball security leads to very painful outcomes
Everyone is taking this out of context.
He wasn’t saying that he doesn’t root for the Bills. He’s was saying he’s not a Bills fan, as in he’s not a fan, he’s not one of the guys in the stands paying for this dookie so he can’t say how they should be feeling.
by twoeightnine on Oct 11, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I am not taking it out of context....I watched the thing on BB.com
Don’t know where you got that from what I said. My point was that Trent’s answer was lame and all he had to do was show a little empathy for the fans.
Poor ball security leads to very painful outcomes
Your putting me on?
Why don’t you show empathy for Trent? Imagine some 300lb monsters trying to squash you in to a very thin pancake (crepe).
Not really
I WANT Trent to do well. I remember the feeling I had after watching him beat the Jets in his very first start. I thought the Bills had found a diamond in the rough. Looks to me like it was just more of the rough.
You know what? It was a stupid question. The proper reply would be to let him know that it is a stupid question. How the hell do you think I would feel? Let the idiot who asked that question, come in here, and read all of these posts. Everybody feels bad. Next question.
quit being so hard on yourselves. lower your expectations. this team has no chance of going to the playoffs in the next 5 years…why would you think otherwise. Who were our last 3 HC’s? Not exactly football geniuses. Hopefully they will continue to search for new O-linemen until they get it right. How about our lack of depth. You sure think other teams cut players must be better than our reserves. Then again, what is our GM’s football experience consist of?
On the contrary Mike Mularkey was widely considered an offensive genius. He was that year’s hot coordinator. Just sayin’.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 12, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
all I can say is that Buffalo Bill Terrell Owens is a class act. Nothing like with prior teams. I like him a lot.
most of my posts get deleted :(
Yeah he is Mr PR........
lol
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by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 11, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
press conferences get better every week, even though the team sucks worse every week.
most of my posts get deleted :(
he just knows the better he behaves, the more options he will have next year. That’s it.
by Frank Reich Revolution on Oct 11, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Just posted fanshot
After the game, with increased calls for Bills coach Dick Jauron to be fired, G.M. Russ Brandon was non-committal.
“I’m not going to comment on that,” Brandon said. “Obviously this is a low point for all of us. I feel for everyone in the organization and more importantly the fans. This is not where we expected to be right now.”
Asked whether the team’s performance would cost the fourth-year coach his job, Jauron said, “Not a question to ask me.”
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by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 11, 2009 7:16 PM EDT reply actions
it's amazing how most other NFL teams (sans Oakland)
seem to have a plan … seem to draft athletes with size and speed, not these undersized “cerebral, high motor” guys, make moves with the intent to get to the playoffs, not just be respectable. They get people who lead and don’t settle for mediocrity, like many of the same players who have been here for years.
Outside of our RBs and D-line, and some DBs, I can’t honestly say I really care if the rest of them come back or not, and honestly, I’m usually behind the team 100%, and this includes Edwards. If benching him means us having a better chance at winning, I’m all for it. Hockey teams bench a goalie to shake things up for the TEAM. I think this team and franchise needs a freaking wake up call.
And stop taking reject O-linemen and LBs off someone else’s scrap heap, please.
Seriously?
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35-46.
He’s completed probably 18 out of his last 20 passes. Thrown for over 300 yards. Oh yeah, he’s 4-0 with a chance to be 5-0.
by twoeightnine on Oct 11, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Look at the W-L record
I’ll take that any day of the week.
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by bluecollarbuffalo on Oct 11, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
So, people really do judge QBs by their W-L record? I know QBs are the most important position, but I find it odd that people are willing to overlook other stats and skillsets for W-L when those same people would find it completely crazy to do that with any other position.
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The QB touches the ball on every play. A “caretaker” on the Bears the last few years and the Broncos this year doesn’t win games w/o making some clutch plays. Maybe his numbers aren’t crazy, but a caretaker doesn’t lead those drives at the end of the game yesterday. Anyone who thought the Broncos would be 5-0 raise your hand. He’s playing WELL and is a part of the reason they’re 5-0.
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by bluecollarbuffalo on Oct 12, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
We had his twin brother, J.P. Losman.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 11, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
When was JP 5-0?
When did JP beat the Pats?
When did JP finish his career with more TDs than INTs?
When was JP’s career record 10 games over .500?
When did we waste draft picks and a 1st round pick on JP? Oh right.
by twoeightnine on Oct 11, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Orton is nothing like JP, though? Do you mean Sexy Rexy?
by Burger Trench on Oct 11, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't care
and I don’t care if he’s the Kyle Orton. Did you see him today? Every throw was on the mark. Crisp. Even down the field. The exact opposite of Captain Checkdown.
by twoeightnine on Oct 11, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
They were also confident throws
in addition to being on target, quick, down the field, and where the receiver needs them to be….
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but to your point ...
This franchise needs a gigantic enema. Everyone and everything should just be purged and they should start over.
Denver coach
Speaking of Denver…just saw the end of game. Denver in OT and McDaniels is running around inside of stadium celebrating hugging palyers. What would our guy do. Stare blankly into space. Night and Day. I’d give anything to have a coach that looked alive!
I loved when he jumped into a lineman’s arms and hung there. The fact that he walked over to a corner of the stadium and pumped his fist towards the fans is amazing. I wish…
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by NeverendingOptimism on Oct 11, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I know someone would bring it up. I don’t think Tony Dungy ever did that. Vince Lombardi. None of them ran around like that. You don’t need that to be successful it’s just the anti-Jauron thing to do.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 12, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Sometimes a franchise
and fanbase needs that though….
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I won’t deny that. I just don’t think you need to jump into your OL’s arms to be a good coach. Belichek wouldn’t do that after a regular season win, either.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 12, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Nobody is saying that makes a good coach
It’d just be nice to have some energy and intensity at the top. This team has sleepwalked enough for too long. Maybe a kick in the pants means more to them than other teams….
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Agreed. We both hope for that in a HC.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 12, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Does Belcheat chest bump players? Andy Reid? They’re all successful for the long haul and don’t need to be emotionally high all the time to be a great coach.
It’s not about the emotion, it’s about the players on the field.
We need better players (and probably a new coach) who are complete boneheads like Parrish. He’ll go right back out there, even with his idiocy. That’s a dumb player reinforced by a dumb coaching staff.
many of these guys are plain dumb…but when they use their heads a little bit and focus, they’re able to be better players and use their god-given athletic talent. that, however, can only come out and translate into on-the-field focus when they are driven. an inspirational coach will do that.
Kyle Williams is a VERY smart guy. Listening to his conferences really shows me he could be a team leader.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 11, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Both of them aren't afraid to show emotion though and get fired up.
With Dick we get this: http://images.google.com/images?q=dick%20jauron&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi
by twoeightnine on Oct 11, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Who’s the blondie in that photo with him?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 11, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
you should find some good pic of her for your avatar
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by silverstreak3k on Oct 11, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Jauron...
I really like our players, they really tried hard. Wake up already.
My Grandma tries really hard to win the lottery, but her 50 year plan has not quite worked out. I was hoping to see the Bills win a Super Bowl in my lifetime, but I am not sure that they will even make the playoffs someday. Stop the madness. End the DJ Era now.
offside
Only a lunatic would attempt to run a no huddle offense with a rookie offensive line. One very predictable result is multiple offside penalties. We have had 5 weeks of drive breaking offside calls. Please stop the madness.
by jpheff on Oct 11, 2009 8:07 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I'm not here to say crap about you guys' lost
but what I will say is that this proves that it is time for Jauron to go. This solidified it. Once he is gone the Bills should be able to build on the talent they have, and actually utilize it. Sorry you guys lost, regardless of whether it helps my team or not, losing still hurts.
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Oct 11, 2009 8:16 PM EDT reply actions
Wrong
Losing feels great. Not really, but it’s hurting less each week.
The Dick Jauron version of the K-Gun...the Squirt Gun.
Well just remember my team went 1-15 two years ago
so I’ve felt losing, and I don’t think you guys are going to do that bad.
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Oct 11, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I think i’m in the minority here when I say that it’s bigger than Jauron and his dismissal won’t be the change that many people feel it would be. The same guys will still be in the front office, getting their popcorn ready for all the tickets and ephemera to sell.
I think Jauron should stay on thru the season. No one who coaches the team now will have ANY success. It’s setting them up for failure (Rod Marinelli).
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 11, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree
If Jauron gets the boot and we bring in a big named HC, there will be zero expectations on him, how could there be?
He would get a free pass for this year and a head start for next year.
The seaon is over Afgan, face the music!
Either believe in your team or don’t coach it
FEED the BEAST!
Unfortunately, the season isn’t over. Yes, it’s time for a new coach. But I hope Wilson sees bigger changes are needed. There isn’t 1 guy on this coaching staff who should be the next HC. Why bother moving chairs around the titanic now?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 11, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I am talking about getting Cower, Schottenheimer or Gruden
Either believe in your team or don’t coach it
FEED the BEAST!
Cowher is a pipe dream right now. Gruden is under contract. Schottenheimer is a possibility.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 11, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Entirely your opinion my friend
I think Cower could be persuaded. I certainly do not believe that he’d want to coach in Carolina like many are saying. If he truly loves living in Carolina, he wouldn’t want to risk it. If he coaches the Panthers and for some reason he fails at some point, it would make living in Carolina quite umcomfortable for him but also his family. I seriously doubt that he’d do that. He is not Dan Snyder or Jerry Jones material. He thrives over small team, lunch pail mentalities so I could see him quite easily in Buffalo, given the right $$ incentive.
Gruden is under contract but how do you know there is no provisions for a coaching gig offer? He is 46 years old, I highly doubt that he’d sign a TV contract that could prevent him from accepting a long term coaching contract that pays more, I seriously doubt it.
Either believe in your team or don’t coach it
FEED the BEAST!
Yeah, Cowher won’t want to coach in Carolina, just like college players never want to coach at their alma mater. I think you might be overthinking things Keysh. There is no way that Bill Cowher would come here in the middle of the season.
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Big difference between coaching at your alma mater and coaching in the city where you intend on spending the rest of your life in.
All I am saying is that I think he could be persuaded and Ralph could surprise us. And don’t get me wrong, I would be very happy with a Gruden or Schottenheimer also. Out of these three guys, we have a chance.
Either believe in your team or don’t coach it
FEED the BEAST!
Schottenheimer would be my dream guy. Former Bill, depends on the ground game, rah-rah but also very tough, has a history of turning franchises around… in fact ALL of the franchises he’s coached. (Remember, in his one year with the ‘Skins, he went 8-3 in their last 11 games after a rough start.) I think he’s just what they need.
by williamherbert on Oct 11, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
There are better names that would never want to coach in Buffalo (less $’s, 91 year owner, small market, etc.). I agree that Schottenheimer is one of the best, most realistic options. He was also a LB. After this past game, we need more LB types in the Bills organization.
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After this past game, we need more LB types in the Bills organization.
After this past game we need more LBs period.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 12, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you
He will need to stay throughout the rest of the season, as bad as that may be. I also agree that he isn’t the only problem. I think with a strong O-line Trent Edwards could really shine, he shows flashes. There is a lot of changes that do need to be made, being from near Buffalo I constantly hear about the Bills on the news, in public, in the papers, etc. It gives me a lot of insight about your team.
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Oct 11, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Who decided to start so many rookies? Who decided to trade Peters and thought that Walker could be our LT? Who changed his mind at the last minute and then promoted a rookie LT? This piss-poor planning was a huge error in judgement and planning on Jauron’s part. In buffalo it’s Jauron that has final say on personnel decisions
Either believe in your team or don’t coach it
FEED the BEAST!
You honestly think Jauron’s making all those moves? I don’t. I see him as a puppet in this organization. I hope there’s someone who has insight on just who moves all these chess pieces around over there.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 11, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
From everything I've read, it's the HC
who has final say on any/all personnel moves
Either believe in your team or don’t coach it
FEED the BEAST!
Yeah, Jauron has had the biggest voice and final say for a couple of offseasons now.
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Brandon is the PR guy, and is only called the GM because he national media needs someone to call that
He makes NO decisions about final roster saying. Modrak and Guy give their opinions but it comes down to 2 people on whom to hire. DJ and Ralph, and Ralph has basically let DJ do what he wants unless it is an outlier situation like with TO.
As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Fewell, common sense says to play UP on the line against the slant.
then he needs to leave
just not right now. That wouldn’t help much, I don’t think.
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Oct 11, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Watch the Dolphins grab Owens next season.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 11, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know
he is getting too old, Parcells doesn’t like him, etc.
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Oct 11, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
On a positive note
Trent looks upset… First time I ever have seen him upset, it’s about time!
He still is trying to defend DJ but other than this was his best interview after a loss to date. He obviously would have booed himself by the way he answered the final question
Either believe in your team or don’t coach it
FEED the BEAST!
Too bad that he can't throw !
He really doesn’t have any ZIP at all, I think that’s why they never throw timing routes into tight spots, he just cannot ziop it in there. I’d love to get an offensive minded coach in here so that he can have half the season to work with Trent. Hopefully we use our first round pick on a QB and hopefully it lights a fire under Trent and he steps up his game.
Either believe in your team or don’t coach it
FEED the BEAST!
LETS GO NEW YORK KNICKS
and I hope Bengals and 49ers do well, there basically a team like Buffalo that finally is getting their time in the limelight. Despite the Atlanta thrashing of San Fran
Franchise relocation
Do you really think the organization is trying to lose fan interest to help justify the team relocating elsewhere?
No. Ralph Wilson isn’t moving the team while he is alive.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 12, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
If he moves them when he’s dead, it’ll also be a miracle.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 12, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
My grammar stand corrected. :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 12, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope I am right
Read my post from three weeks ago, I said if we lose to the dolphins and browns I think Dick will get fired. I hope I am right
I want to know one thing
How did the front office convince themselves that we’re supposed to be a throwing team? Did the winds of Western new York blow the thought from their mind. We should have been building a brutish offensive line with a brutish run game with the weather. We should have sloppy TRUE GRASS stadium, not good draining field turf. Our defense should be a brutish “stop the run” front 7.
Some how we’ve got this pansy supposed finesse team with 16.5 million tied up in WR, inexperienced, tiny offensive line, field turf and a finesse “cover 2” defense.
The cover 2 is designed to stop the pass…WHO PASSES WHEN THEY COME TO WINDY BUFFALO?
and a "smart" qb
but last i checked you need a hell of an arm to cut through the winds. Damn, I’m pissed, but mostly because I bought into this when it should have been clear from day 1.
Don’t build an Indianapolis based team in buffalo. Build a Steelers based team in Buffalo… DUH!!
The Ralph actually is field turf. And the Bills ratio of about 29.5 passes to 25.5 rushes per game is probably one of the 5-10 most run heavy ratios in the league. Sure, they could run more, but it’s not like Buffalo has become an air it out team.
Yes, the Bills do run a cover 2 based defense, but it isn’t a Tampa 2 style of old. It’s the same basic scheme that run stuffing defenses like Chicago and Minnesota run.
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You completely missed my point
One style is a big brutish running team, with a strong defense. (steelers)
The other is a finnesse passing team, with a passing defense (Indy)
Why have we modeled our team after INDY?!? That’s the pathetic part… Buffalo is nowhere near a dome team….
Think about that for a second… we’re destroying our “home field advantage” just by modelling after Indy
What happened to that picture?
Some guy posted a fake magazine cover about how bad today’s game was, which was pretty funny. It’s now disappeared. Was it censored, and taken off this website?
So was Turk a scapegoat for the offense's problems?
Or do the injuries to the O line account for its suckitude?
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Oct 11, 2009 11:57 PM EDT reply actions
Sorry to keep it so simple.....................
Give this team the offensive line of the Patriots, and we’re a playoff contender. Everyone knew (I hope that I’m not wrong to assume) coming in to this that our offensive line was a question mark. Throw in all of the injuries, and the answer to that question became, ‘Not this year!’ I just can’t bring myself to rag on Trent given the O-line situation. I know that he still needs to learn how to win, but given his current situation, come on…. I’d be a little ‘nervous’ (to say the least), thinking about who is trying to protect me, and who is trying to crush me out there. I might miss a few passes too. Only time will tell, but I think Trent is perfectly capable of winning in this league. And I may be wrong. Been wrong before. Sorry, though, but I’m not throwing in the towel. I’ve been a Bills fan for 39 years, and as long as they don’t leave Buffalo, I’ll be a Bills fan for 20 to 30 more (I have high blood pressure already. I’m seeing 70, tops). In my opinion, keep focusing on improving the O-line. I don’t think that our team is as horrible as most of these posts are suggesting. If I’m not wrong, a lot of these people posting picked the Bills to win 5 or 6 games this year. Why the surprise when we’re 1 and 4? Just a little patience, yeeaahhhh, yeeaahhhh.
I agree, but ...
… it still doesn’t address Edwards inability to make deep throws to his WRs … not even bombs but hit them on 15-20 yard routes that every other freaking team seems to be able to complete EXCEPT us. Hell, even the Lions look respectable on offense with Daunte Culpepper as QB.
Us? Pathetic. Edwards shares alot of that blame. A perfect O-Line still wouldn’t correct his inability to make those intermediate throws and move the chains rapidly like many other QBs in the league can do.
Sorry, but I disagree.
I think being afraid for your life would explain being off target on the full gamete of your passing repertoire. The first game this year against New England, I thought Trent was dead on. Too many dropped balls in that one. As our O-line progressively fell apart throughout the season (thus far), so did Trent’s accuracy. I think.
I agree
Trent looks real skiddish, I think he’s lost all confidence in the OL, maybe he still is having flashbacks to that hit by Wilson in the Cards game last year.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 12, 2009 3:54 AM EDT up reply actions
The Pats line is pretty overrated. Brady actually gets sacked much more often than other elite QBs like Manning and Brees do. Last year, Matt Cassel got sacked more than any QB in the league.
Obviously the OL isn’t very good, but the problems on offense go beyond that. Why don’t other teams with bad OLs struggle this much? This is a team with two good WRs and two good RBs and Edwards’ weapons are easily above average. So, this OL is so bad that they can only score three points, at home against one of the worst defenses in the league? Trent isn’t part of the problem when the only score against New Orleans is trick play on special teams?
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Give this team the offensive line of the Patriots, and we’re a playoff contender
I stand behind it. I don’t care if you consider them overrated. They’re still far superior to what we have right now. Make Trent feel warm and comfortable back there and I think he would pick defenses apart (although we may never know). As far as your questioning why other teams aren’t having the same issues, I disagree. I’m not an expert on the rest of the league, but what about the Browns or the Rams (there are probably others). Bulger tore it up for the Rams a couple of years ago. Now that team can’t score. I would also say that I think Trent is losing his confidence. He’s a young kid. He’s got a lot on his plate right now. This is where I think a great coach would come in to play. Someone who could instill confidence. Someone who says FU to the media (and some of their very dumb questions). Leads by example. As much as I hate Belichek, and Parcells, they are very good at that. Unfortunately, they’re not available. Maybe Cowher, I don’t know. Offensive Line, Offensive Line, Offensive Line.
I like the o-line thinking, Not sold on Trent though…Wouldn’t it be a wonderfull last gift if Ralph tricked everybody and left this team to Jim Kelly?
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Oct 12, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Left the team to Kelly?
That would suck for Kelly since he wouldn’t be able to afford the taxes on such a gift!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I would assume no
But getting an $800M gift or whatever it is would have MAJOR tax implications. I don’t want to guess the taxes on that, but if it surpasses $100M, I wouldn’t be surprised….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I’d actually guess that’s a very, very, very low estimate. I don’t know much (anything) about inheritance/estate taxes. I do know that NY doesn’t have an estate tax, but I’d guess that the tax imposed by the federal government for something worth a mil or more is up around 50%. No joke.
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Estate tax
You’re fairly close with the federal estate tax, though there have been some cuts to these high rates. The current estate tax cuts are due to expire in 2010, including the exemption. There is a proposal that was part of the 2010 budget that called for significant changes including:
(1) an estate tax exemption level of $5,000,000, indexed for inflation,
(2) a maximum estate tax rate of 35 percent,
(3) a reunification of the estate and gift credits, and
(4) portability of exemption between spouses, and
I clipped the above from the bill itself. The importance of this is that the 35% cap would represent a significant reduction of taxes for Mr. Wilson’s heirs. This may or may not alter his plans for the team after he passes.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
What’s Todd Collins up to these days?
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Oct 12, 2009 12:05 AM EDT reply actions
He’s probably letting out sighs of relief that he wasn’t the only (nor worst) post-Kelly QB to play for the Bills.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 12, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I know Jeff Garcia knows how to win a game
"This is what happens Larry!, This is what happens! "-Walter Sobchak
by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Oct 12, 2009 12:12 AM EDT reply actions
Strength and Conditioning Coach
Does anyone know who this guy is?
Because he needs to be fired.
Yesterday.
I saw him on a local tv ad for personal trainers. He looks fat and content.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 12, 2009 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Too bad Rusty Jones was given his walking papers years ago.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
…and Polian.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 12, 2009 7:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree
We have to be the most injury prone team since Jauron got here.
This many injuries can’t be just bad luck.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 12, 2009 3:39 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s a players coach. He goes easy on them. He’s been criticized for his low impact practices in camp and maybe he doesn’t push much in the conditioning program either.
I agree that this is not a coincidence.
Either believe in your team or don’t coach it
FEED the BEAST!
I also have a theory...
that the Bills are so light with competent talent that other players feel that they must extend themselves to compensate, often taking risks. This might be completely BS as players often go all out anyway. But it’s usually a bad thing if someone knows that they not only have to take care of their assignments, but also have to do the jobs of others…and more than just help out.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
He’s been criticized for his low impact practices in camp
By people who are trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. King, Clayton, all the national guys that come don’t think we run a patty-sake camp compared to anyone else. They say we do the same amount of hitting as everyone.
I don’t know how guys knees getting torn up and forearm and leg bones breaking has anything to do with training camp practices.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 12, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Jauron has one or two two-a-days a year
That’s a weak camp
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
But would two-a-days prevent injuries? Come on, K.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 12, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm ready to sell this team to the dark side.
i’m talking nothing but videotapes, steroids, and piping in stadium noise.
who’s with me?
if this league wants to play rough, then let’s…
I know you said vent, but...
Roscoe Parrish literally handed the game to the Browns on a silver platter by fumbling a punt deep in his own territory late in the fourth quarter.
Sorry to whine, Brian, but this is a huge pet peeve of mine. There is pretty much one word in the english language you can’t use figuratively and you used it. “Literally” should only be used if Roscoe had actually gone on the field and handed a note of forfeit to Mangini on a silver platter. Come to think of it, that would have been pretty awesome. At least we’d save ourselves a few injuries along the way and I could have my Sunday afternoon back.
And sorry Brian. You really do a fantastic job with this site and your taste in TV seems pretty awesome, so I guess I can forgive you. For now.
by Dr. Brackish Okun on Oct 12, 2009 2:19 AM EDT reply actions
merriam-webster defines “literally” as interchangeable with “virtually” or “actually”, no reference whatsoever to literature, as you suggest. It is a run on sentence though, in need of proper punctuation. just sayin’
most of my posts get deleted :(
I’m not sure what you mean. I didn’t say anything about literature. And what sentence is a run-on? I’m not sure I see either sentence you reference.
by Dr. Brackish Okun on Oct 12, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
There is pretty much one word in the english language you can’t use figuratively and you used it. "Literally" should only be used if Roscoe had actually gone on the field and handed a note of forfeit to Mangini on a silver platter.
Point is, Brian’s usage of the word “literally” is grammatically correct in the context used. A “note” would be literary, or literature, but not necessarily literal.
most of my posts get deleted :(
You’re not getting it at all. You cannot use the word “literally” to describe something other than what it actually, virtually is. That is why I cannot say, “I could literally eat 100 hot dogs.” Since I cannot eat that many, and I’d die before I even got halfway there, I misused the word “literally.” You cannot use that word or phrasing to hyperbolize a statement, since it would go completely against its definition.
by Dr. Brackish Okun on Oct 12, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
JP
In case you didn’t catch the UFL game between Las Vegas and California, JP Losman was 21-31 226 yds and 2 TD’s in LV’s win. It was nice to see a QB with a Bills connection lead a competent offense. They made 14 first downs via passing alone.
Yeah, it’s the Unknown Football League, but after the last two games, I don’t believe that it’s a given that the Bills could beat all of the UFL teams…or even a top SEC team for that matter. In fact, most of the players are just out of college anyway and we know that the coaching is better in the top college ranks.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
Poll?
Brian, perhaps now would be the appropriate time for a poll on when DJ gets the ax? My choices would be:
- In the next day or so
- Between the Jets game and the Bye week
- During the bye week
- Between the Bye week and the end of the season
- At seasons end
- The Bills will rattle off several wins to close out the season 7-9 and buy Jauron another year
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
I posted this two weeks ago
and over 92% wanted sooner than later. Now it will be 99.9%
Either believe in your team or don’t coach it
FEED the BEAST!
Who’s the .1%? Must be the Bills front office.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
Dick Jauron and Trent Edwards!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Actually it’s Jauron’s mother. I’m not so sure Dick doesn’t want to be fired at this point. He could use the paid vacation.
by Dr. Brackish Okun on Oct 12, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I still want later. I don’t think you gain a whole lot by promoting Bobby April.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 12, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
abused by our family
IN Buffalo the truth is known. The bills are not a football team, . The team is not set up to win, the attitude is not competitive and the leadership is not interested in score but the bottom line. The great tradition of this fan base is being told each week to come spend your money and expect nothing in return. after the loss even the players felt no shame and Jauron said “we did not do to bad” . I am so sorry for the wonderful Buffalo fans who are being abused by these leaders.
buffalo was my home black rock my neighborhood, and the Bills my curse
Amen
You know the team is bad when mild mannered don Criqui makes disparaging comments.
A well coached team won’ have 9 false start penalties IN A SEASON!
It’s very rare that you can say a performance was “inexcusable”, but this one was. The sad thing is that firing Jauron will be satisfying for a week – but what will he be replaced with?
None of the big name Coaches out there will step in mid-season. I think we’ve got to make alternate plans for Sunday afternoons and hope that Brandon isn’t around when that top 5 pick comes up.
A disgrace…
I say we trade for Quinn
now, let Fitz play the remainder of the year and cut him. Keep Quinn as the backup to our new QB that we either draft or sign as a FA.
"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-
You want to pay a guy $4m a year to be a backup?
A guy that can’t even beat out the guy who completed 2 passes yesterday?
by twoeightnine on Oct 12, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
just irrational thoughts...
i was at that game im still a lil sleepy
"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-
by billsoferie on Oct 12, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions

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