Rumblings Survival Guide: 5 steps to watching the '09 Bills
The Buffalo Bills are 1-4. They've lost three consecutive games - two straight against teams that played Buffalo sans previous victory. Nothing - seriously, absolutely nothing - has gone right for this team in the past three weeks. Calls for change - in the front office, in the coaching staff, in player personnel - will almost certainly be rewarded come season's end, if not sooner.
The Bills as a franchise have not been this low since the 5-11 2005 season - the year prior to Dick Jauron's arrival in Buffalo. Or perhaps 2001 is better, when Buffalo finished 3-13 in Gregg Williams' first season as head coach. How about 2000, when, in Wade Phillips' last season, the Bills finished 8-8, starting a streak of ten full years in which the Bills did not make the playoffs? Yes, I'm counting this year's Bills in that group, but I'd hardly consider that going out on a ledge.
I'm not sure I'd call the current state of the organization "rock bottom," but it's close. Fans are ready to move on. You'd have to imagine that Ralph Wilson is getting to that point quickly, as well. What do we watch for, however, in a lost season when there are still a whopping 11 games to play? Head on in past the jump for Buffalo Rumblings' Survival Guide.
Keys to surviving a nearly-worthless NFL season
Step 1: Understand what's needed
This one isn't particularly difficult. Change is needed. Duh. But the key is not change; the key is where change is made. Right now, calls are for Jauron's head, but in my opinion, Bills fans are focusing on the wrong issue here.
Buffalo's on track to miss the playoffs for a tenth straight year. Jauron's only been here for four of those. Add in Tom Donahoe's five-year run as Buffalo's General Manager - and let's not forget that his college and pro personnel men still reside in this front office - and that's nine of ten years. The Bills' biggest current problem is not coaching - though clearly, it is a problem. Where Buffalo has severely lacked for a decade is vision in the front office.
Wilson's front office structure - and if you have other descriptive words to apply to it, by all means, use them - is completely unique, and rather bizarre. Wilson has surrounded himself with advisers - who may or may not be on the team's payroll - and they're clearly giving him faulty advice. Rather than give one man say in the front office, he's taken the word "consensus" to unprecedented levels and given nobody a real voice. Russ Brandon, Jim Overdorf, Jauron, Tom Modrak, John Guy - all have input, none of them have enough power to make tough decisions correctly.
One man - and when I say one man, I'm specifically referring to nearly every big-name head coach that is so frequently referred to in these parts - is not going to fix this team. Only Ralph Wilson can do that, and the only way he can start is by finally, mercifully realizing that continuity is no longer anywhere close to the right answer for this organization. The team needs to get younger, more talented and more energetic from the top down. Ralph, we, the fans of your organization, are on our knees, begging you to bring in a football mind - and yes, we mean a General Manager - from outside the organization. Hire him and let him work. That's the only way it's going to get better, Mr. Wilson, sir.
GMs create cultures. They hire people (read: scouts and coaches) who fit that culture. Buffalo needs a culture - any culture that doesn't involve, well, losing. Good GMs find the right players to fit the culture, too. The Inner Circle approach doesn't work not because the individuals aren't deserving of their posts (which I realize in this case is highly debatable), but because it dilutes culture and promotes diverging philosophies. One philosophy. One voice. One culture. Make it happen, Ralph. As early in January 2010 as possible, if you would be so kind.
Step 2: Understand what isn't needed
Yes - I'm talking about firing Dick Jauron, folks. It doesn't need to happen right now. Yes, it needs to - and almost certainly will - happen at some point, so hang onto that, because it's not likely, nor does it need to happen anytime soon.
Last season, three head coaches were fired during the season. We're not even going to count Oakland in this discussion, because Al Davis is out of his mind, and the only reason he fired Lane Kiffin was because he no longer liked him. If he fired coaches based on performance, Tom Cable would be gone, too. St. Louis and San Francisco, however, are relevant here, so we'll pursue those two examples.
St. Louis fired Scott Linehan last season after an 0-4 start. Jim Haslett - who had previous head coaching experience and had taken New Orleans to the playoffs - was promoted. The Rams won Haslett's first two games as interim coach. Then they lost 10 in a row, and have since added five more under new head coach Steve Spagnuolo.
San Francisco, meanwhile, fired Mike Nolan after a 2-5 start. Mike Singletary was promoted. He did not have previous head coaching experience, but had, however, been considered for several coaching posts league-wide and was widely considered an up-and-comer in his profession. The 49ers closed the '08 season with a 5-4 record under Singletary, and he's now 3-2 with them this year, despite the team lacking overall talent, particularly at quarterback.
Buffalo does not have a Jim Haslett or a Mike Singletary on their coaching staff. They have some guys similar to Tom Cable if you're interested, though! Change to placate the fan base won't be productive to the players or the organization long-term because the Bills have no assistant coach who presents the possibility of being a long-term answer. And seriously - forget about an outside hire mid-season, because it just isn't happening. Swallow your pride and put on your patience hats, folks. Change is coming. It doesn't serve anything more than a superficial purpose to make it happen right away. Understand that the real, productive change can, and hopefully will, happen after the season.
Step 3: Put every Bills player at square one in your minds
Bills fans aren't stupid. We know where the team's weaknesses are. While we wait for the inevitable changes that, if done right, could save our franchise, we need to pay particular attention to the players currently on Buffalo's roster - because even when the big changes happen, a lot of these current Bills will still be around next season.
Every player - quarterbacks through long snappers - is on the bubble now. (Yes, contracts have a role to play here, but we're speaking in generalities for now.) Buffalo has a lot of young players. They have a lot of veterans. Starting right now, every single player needs to be evaluated by us, completely objectively, as worthy or unworthy of sticking with this team beyond 2009. That's close to how any new head coach will approach it, too - that coach, whoever he ends up being, will be going to war with a large number of these players in 2010. The players have hit rock bottom. The new regime will want to go to war with players who improved and played consistently and with high effort after hitting rock bottom. That evaluation starts right now - for everyone.
Step 4: Watch, and root for, other NFL teams
I'm not saying "go be a fan of another NFL team," because that is blasphemous to the extreme, and if it's not completely illegal, it should be. But no matter how bad your favorite team (in this case, the Bills) is, watching NFL football and admiring other teams is not only fun, but completely worthwhile to a fan base such as ours.
Watch teams that play the game the way you like to see it get played. Notice how the good teams have an identity, have a philosophy, and have players and coaches that preach and practice the philosophy. Watch telecasts - as brutal as that can be - for discussions on hot assistant coaches. Watch players play. Enjoy football.
We're not watching to be jealous, though jealousy will certainly be a byproduct. We're watching so that we understand what Buffalo needs to strive for. We're watching to scout for coaching and front office candidates (though I'm sure many of you, like I, have already-formulated opinions on that front). We're watching football to enjoy football, and we're watching to bring productive opinions and sound philosophies to the table. Think of it as studying for the final exam - an exam where there are no right answers, just sound theories. Buffalo will be taking that exam next January. Study up, folks - we'll need to do some immediate grading. We know what the Bills need to be, and watching more football will not only lead to interesting future-oriented discussions, but case studies and teams/coaching styles/philosophies to emulate.
But most of all, watch it to get the taste of Bills football out of your mouth. Watch it to cleanse your football soul.
Step 5: Keep watching the Bills
I'm not suggesting torturing yourself. If, during the course of a game, you need to leave the room and partake in an adult beverage and/or add a hole to your dining room wall, by all means, do so. But don't stop watching the Bills, even if it's painful. I don't blame the sentiment, but there are lessons to be learned and facts to be gleaned by watching a terrible football team play out the string.
This is a survival guide. Yes - part of our survival guide is telling you to keep watching the thing that is driving you insane. Watch, however, with the first four bullet points in mind, and getting through Bills games should be a cake walk. (Should be a cake walk for our opponents, too - everyone gets cake! Except the Bills.) You'll get aggravated, yes, but watching bad football with an understanding of what needs to change and when will not only further drive home that notion, but it'll allow you to watch more objectively as we move forward with the organization. Plus, cake! Wait, was there ever cake? If not, well, that's something that's in your control to fix.
Lastly, I would never come close to telling anyone how to spend their own money, but if you have tickets to the games already and the weather for said games ends up being reasonable, go watch the team at The Ralph. We're beyond the point where the fan base is split in its opinions; rarely has a single fan base been so unified in its desire to see the hammer drop early and often. Going to games where you're in agreement with the fans in the stands makes things a little more tolerable, and it reaches the realm of acceptable if you're at a good tailgate party. You're not supporting the team if you're booing them, and you've already bought the ticket - and let's face it, you ain't selling that thing. Make the best of the situation. Eat and drink hearty, support them from the stands however you wish, and keep those first four points in mind. There's still little else like tailgating at The Ralph. That experience stays enjoyable no matter how well the team is performing.
That's it. Your survival guide to watching the 2009 Buffalo Bills. Buffalo Rumblings is not responsible for any injuries or fatalities, but we think this'll help get you through the next 12 weeks.
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Nice But...
Why not boo?
You’re talking to Bills fans, not Leafs fans. If you’ve already got tickets, then go and have a good time. But that doesn’t mean sitting there quietly during a third return team debacle that costs a game, or a 9th false start penalty.
I remember the bad old days of the early 1980s. Somehow the Jauron era is starting to feel like the Kay Stephenson era.
We booed back then – when there were 30,000 at the games. Problem now is that we feel that we have to be nice and keep showing up or this team will be moved. We are between a rock and a hard place.
by Pruitt on Oct 12, 2009 9:28 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Yeah – that came out wrong. What I meant is that if the tickets are bought and you’re there booing, you’re not supporting the team. The idea was to dispel the notion that buying tickets supports the franchise – which of course it does, but not if you make your booing loud and clear when you’re at the stadium.
I was encouraging the booing. It just didn’t sound like it. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 12, 2009 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotcha
Ever been to a leafs game? A completely surreal sporting experience.
by Pruitt on Oct 12, 2009 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea the ACC is a nice venue. Too bad the Leafs suck
"Potential just means you haven’t done sh## yet"
by willgarr15 on Oct 12, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
More than that – the Leafs’ fans suck too.
Raptors games are great though.
by Pruitt on Oct 12, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, I read over the line in the story and then your explanation at least five times each, and still didn’t get what you were trying to say.
But I think I finally do. You’re countering the money you spent on the organization by booing tremendously while at the game. Makes sense. I’ll follow that logic.
I’ll be there against the Texans and the Colts, marveling at the wonders that are Andre Johnson and Peyton Manning. Best at their positions in the NFL, that will be a treat.
by nickfeely8 on Oct 12, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we will come back 20011
LOOK at ths face have you seen the movie independence day the alien that got capture I THINK IS COACHINF IN BUFFALO. this ALIEN needs to go and STOP making excuses he cant win he will not win HE will not win looking to next year draft I know when a war is lost IM taking my troops out regroup come on next year stronger than ever . lets go bills 2011 we will come bacjk
by abayarde on Oct 12, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well then I’ll be back in 18001 years ;)
Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.
by UZ on Oct 13, 2009 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are better things to do than watch the Bills right now. If you live out of town (don’t have the NFL package) there is no point to go to a sportbar so you can see the game and spend the $50-$100 bucks drinking beer and eating lunch/dinner. I’d rather sit in my house and watch whatever game is on national tv and check fantasy stats. If the Bills are on TV great, but this franchise and Ralph Wilson does not deserve our support.
And this is coming from someone’s who’s family has season ticket (grandparents through grandchildren) since inception in 1960.
by Berg79 on Oct 12, 2009 9:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was planning to go to 5 games this year, which requires travel, time and money. That will not be happening anymore.
by Berg79 on Oct 12, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I go to LoDo’s in downtown Denver to watch the Bills every week, that won’t change just because of a little 1-15 season.
I just like the place that much. Even if it is an hour trip from my house!
Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.
by UZ on Oct 13, 2009 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
GM
Are there any good GM cadidates out there now? They could pull the trigger on a new GM now who would then have the rest of the season to evaluate the team.
The only oint that it is reasonable to change head coaches would be into the bye week where the new coach would have two weeks to adjust the team somewhat to their style. I know you can’t change the system or do anything too drastic, but that is the only reasonable place. I personally agree that we might as well wait until the end of the season on the coaching front, but would like to get a GM in place\
can as in: We can win, can DJ!, and I'm from Canada
by can on Oct 12, 2009 9:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not unless you want some washed-up relic who had success somewhere and is currently unemployed. Like Charley Casserly.
Now is not the time.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 12, 2009 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sad But True
This season is a washout.
Looks like we went 0 for the decade in terms of the playoffs. Other than the Texans, can any other team claim that?
by Pruitt on Oct 12, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lions.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 12, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They had a playoff game in 2000.
Still – lousy company to be keeping…
by Pruitt on Oct 12, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So did the Bills. Neither team has made the playoffs since the 1999 NFL season.
So easy Marshawn Lynch can do it.
by thatguy34 on Oct 12, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Charley Casserly was fired for drafting Mario Williams
smartest move at the top of that draft frankly…except for maybe not gambling on Ngata or Cutler, who simply didn’t “grade” that high
Good Luck With Your Firings Mr. Wilson….Go Bills!
by killascript on Oct 12, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not 100% certain, but I believe the move to fire Casserly was decided prior to that draft. Gonna check on that right now…
So easy Marshawn Lynch can do it.
by thatguy34 on Oct 12, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
could be
let me know though…I always thought that was the straw that broke the camel’s back though…liek he could have been saved if he drafte Vince Young, but no
Good Luck With Your Firings Mr. Wilson….Go Bills!
by killascript on Oct 12, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A terrific evaluator of talent
Yes, he was let go by the Texans as a result of an uproar from the fans when he used the number one pick to draft Mario Williams rather than Reggie Bush, who everyone assumed the team would choose (and who was something of a local hero). That was a pretty impressive job of finding the best player in a position his team badly needed. He was also in the midst of systematically rebuilding the Houston defense — a project that fell apart after he departed as GM, with results that can be seen to this day. Before that Casserly was responsible for putting together the Washington Redskins teams of the 1990s who were contenders every year and won two Superbowls. He is widely credited with creating the “Hogs” — one of the best o-lines in NFL history.
I strongly disagree that he should be seen as a “washed-up relic.” His commentaries on the draft on NFL.com are usually the sharpest I read each year — he really knows what he is doing when evaluating football talent. And he is currently teaching Sports Management at George Mason University — which means he is getting the chance to look at the business of being a GM from a broad, conceptual perspective. As for being a “relic,” he is in his early 60’s — the right age to come into a place like OBD and command respect. Brian in his piece talks about the need to bring in someone young, but I would argue that age has nothing to do with it. We want someone good, regardless of how old he is.
My impression is that Casserly really enjoys his present situation in DC and has been very reluctant to go back into active management again, but if by any chance he would consider Buffalo the Bills should at least look carefully at him. He would be an immense upgrade over what we have now.
by Macktruck on Oct 12, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The local hero was Vince Young.
by twoeightnine on Oct 12, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That draft he got:
Williams, Demarco Ryans, Eric Winston, and Owen Daniels. Not to shabby.
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by sireric on Oct 12, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah — that’s exactly my point. He did make a big mistake on David Carr, but in general he was first-rate in finding talent. I’m not sure that he is the best option out there for GM, but he should surely be considered if he is interested (a big if).
by Macktruck on Oct 12, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carr looked real good playing for the Giants yesterday. I think that he was the kind of guy that needed to sit for a year or two before being thrown into the fire. Also his o-line was a joke. He got sacked 76 times his first year, that couldn’t have been good for his development.
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
by sireric on Oct 12, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, Carr needed to be protected alot better, if he had not gotten blown up so often early in his career
He could have been something special in my mind. He might end up having a Kerry Collins type of wandering semi-successful career though now that he is getting a chance to play for a good team.
As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Fewell, common sense says to play UP on the line against the slant.
by WABillsfan on Oct 12, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
charlie casserly
for those of you who don’t know, he’s also on cbs’s nfl today every week, providing pretty good insights.
in case you wanna see the guy, he’s usually on at about ten or twenty minutes into the program.
and the home of the... JETS!!!
by dvdvil on Oct 12, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly, the issue is simple, no team will allow the Bills to come to them in season to hire away people to be their new GM
Its just not done, and I think by NFL rule not allowed in fact, so like Brian pointed out we could get Charley Casserly, ummm, no thanks, I think I’ll wait for someone from the Ravens or Steelers to come up….
As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Fewell, common sense says to play UP on the line against the slant.
by WABillsfan on Oct 12, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear Tom Donahoe is available.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 12, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My method...
Record the game. Don’t look at the scores. Fast forward through all commercials, and more than a few Bills drives. Hope for the best. Expect the worst. It’s saved my mood the last two Sundays, much to the delight of my wife. Now if only I could get my NFL Sunday Ticket refunded!
by cajunasian on Oct 12, 2009 9:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I like to think of it as an extra extended training camp. Lots of time to evaluate the young players for next year.
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by PerryTuttle22 on Oct 12, 2009 9:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
All well and good, but
You are correct that only Ralph can change this. And therein lies the crux of the problem. In various articles the last couple days, it was mentioned the Bills are $27MM under the cap. Next year portends to be a “cap-less” year. If he didn’t spend money in a cap year, does anyone honestly think he will next year? Or the following? In my mind, TO’s signing was a diversion to get the fans’ minds off the fact he extended Jauron. It worked and he sold season tickets. We, as fans, are desperate for a winner. He knows that and even the slightest glimmer of hope sells tickets. If he can maximize ticket sales with a cheap inferior product, isn’t he attaining every marketer’s dream? Isn’t that why we have a marketing person as “GM”?
I contend the Bills’ fans are the problem. We are the “addicts”, Ralph is the pusher and his drug is cut with baby powder. And, if we don’t keep “using”, he will threaten to cut us off. In the words of Nancy Reagan, “JUST SAY NO” and call him on it. What’s the worst that can happen? Then, the team leaves and all fans save money, some self-respect (and anguish)? At least we’ll get the monkey off our back.
by fansince60 on Oct 12, 2009 9:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know where the 27M figure came from but it’s wrong. The Bills had 11M before resigning Fred Jackson and signing Terrel Owens.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 12, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shanahan, Holmgren and Cowher
are decent GM overall type candidates.
If there is any coach more embattled than Jauron it is Jim Zorn. Word is that Synder is relentlessly courting Shanahan, so we can rule him out.
Someone here at Rumblings noted that Cowher may take Carolina if Fox get’s fired. So I’ll rule him out. I wouldn’t rule out Holmgren for us. He has coach at a non-sexy small market before. This Buffalo team has enough talent to be intriguing enough.
I would not trust Gruden.
BTW, Vinny Cerrato and Dan Snyder have to be worst decision making tandem ever. At least, the Bills are young and talent. The Redskins, are old, overpaid and useless.
Fantasy football has been my main survival thing. Also watching the Redskins lose has been satisfying. As for the Bills, I do look for positives. I watched some highlights on NFL.com and I think Edwards has a future. And if this Oline can grow up quickly, it will be quite good. Also, I think DJ has done well with building this defense. I’m not buying the issue of lack of discipline, because we are not seeing that discipline issue on the defense. It is a youth thing and because they are pressing and not playing loose.
I am going to regret saying this, but I smell a 11 game winning streak run. Not enough to save DJ, but enough to give us hope and attract Holmgren or Cowher.
by Ono on Oct 12, 2009 9:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Are those games back to back?
Or one a year for the next 11 years?
by twoeightnine on Oct 12, 2009 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I rest my case...
11 game winning streak? Exactly my point…You can be the poster child for the “Just say no” campaign!
by fansince60 on Oct 12, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
i hope you really don’t think that is possable
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by billsoferie on Oct 12, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not buying the issue of lack of discipline, because we are not seeing that discipline issue on the defense.
Offensively how can you justify the number of false start penalties as anything other than a lack of discipline? I don’t care how young the O-line is, that was abysmal and inexcusable.
by TJJ on Oct 12, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coaching is factor
I don’t deny that. There are things that can be done to help young Oline men out, like short snap count and some other things. But DJ has built a good defense that has depth and we are seeing that depth come in to play. I know Cleveland is not New Orleans but they did score a bunch of points on the not-too-shabby Bengals and we played well witha depleted secondary.
I like this team and the Oline issue is growing pains. That is one position that experience is crucial and we are dying there.
by Ono on Oct 12, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good points. I’m not freaking out like many others. Deep down, I think that we all knew this was going to be a tough year.
by KTyczka on Oct 12, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
shanahan,Holmgren and Cowlher
As much as we all want Buffalo to win 11 straight … You have to ask yourself something there Ono … “Should I put the pipe down and step away or just pack another”
by PJ63 on Oct 12, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The sad thing
is that there is no pipe involved. I am hopelessly optimistic. I was calling Superbowl on the team that Todd Collins and AVP and I believe I thought Sheldon Jackson and Bobby Collins were next great Tight Ends. Eric Flowers was the second coming of Bruce Smith and Russell Copeland was Reed #2.
But, really, I’m looking at the schedule and I don’t see a team that we can’t beat.
by Ono on Oct 12, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We can’t beat the Browns, so how about “All of them”?
Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.
by UZ on Oct 13, 2009 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except the Bucs, Lions, Raiders, Chiefs, and Rams!
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by WhyBillsWhy on Oct 13, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Step 6: Move to an Alternate Reality
I heard an annoucer somewhere suggest the NFL should contract by two teams after yesterday’s game. I found that strangley cathartic.
by south123 on Oct 12, 2009 9:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
For the GM argument...
you could also say that Tom Donahoe (a football mind) was here for the years before Russ Brandon came in. It’s the same argument for Jauron being mediocre for four years, but having six mediocre seasons before him.
The sole problem of this team is that they are extremely competitive, but lack elite size and experience at key positions. If there had been one or two 3-13 seasons back-to-back this past decade, I think we’d be talking a whole different story. Drafting from 11 to 15 every year kills you in football. Sure, some teams blow it by drafting the Whitners and Heywood-Beys, but you have to at least give your football team a chance to pick top-5. Buffalo never did that. This season, if we can win one or two games the rest of the season, we’re locked in for a top-5 pick and that will give me hope. At some point we have to bottom out, and hopefully it’s this season. 7 and 9 is worse than 10-6 by miles and miles.
by Kooz on Oct 12, 2009 9:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Top Five $$
If Russ Brandon had to pay someone a top five salary he would have an anuerism. So in that way it could give the team a chance.
by south123 on Oct 12, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not that we are one elite player away from being a contender. And besides, if we had a top 5 pick does anyone think the present bunch of idiots at OBD would use it wisely? It’s how we use our picks, not how high they are, that counts.
by Macktruck on Oct 12, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Personally I think drafting has been one of the few high points of the past few years, except for the unfortunate gaffes at the QB position. Leodis, Marshawn, Eric/Andy on the O-line, they’ll probably all be stars for the future of this team.
Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.
by UZ on Oct 13, 2009 2:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Step 4 – Those Bengals are exciting. Been following them for years because I’ve had Palmer as my QB in a keeper league since he was a rookie.
Speaking of Bengals QB’s
Step 3 – Fitzpatrick? What have we got to lose at this point. See if the kid has any chops. Same for Hamadan?
by oompaloompa on Oct 12, 2009 9:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree. Give Fitzpatrick a chance. Why not? He can’t be worse.
by Berg79 on Oct 12, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree in a couple games, not yet...
They are hard to play but not hard to beat.
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by Sluss88 on Oct 12, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How much is too much before you stop saying “Continue to watch the bills?”
In my mind, one change needs to be made before any others, and it may be the most tragic and disheartening of all.
Ralph Wilson needs to go. I’m willing to take the chance of what happens to the team when Wilson is gone, because in my mind, taking that risk is better than suffering however many more years of basement-dwelling mediocrity.
by quantumuprising on Oct 12, 2009 9:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
common denominator
Over 50 years, there is only one common denominator in all this…Ralph. Change the coaches, players, etc. The end result is the same. The only one who ever made headway in swaying Ralph was Levy…for whatever reason.
by fansince60 on Oct 12, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Polian built that team, and Levy steered it. Smart man, good motivator…but it was a stacked team and everything just clicked. Thats just how it happens many times, and then you try to keep the winning culture. We would have if AJ Smith and Butler stuck around…but no, that would have been too easy
Good Luck With Your Firings Mr. Wilson….Go Bills!
by killascript on Oct 12, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you are correct
But, between them, they were able to convince Ralph to open the purse strings. That’s how it became stacked. Polian became frustrated and now the Colts are perennially stacked. So, the case in point is, with quality leadership and intelligence, it can be done repeatedly. Conversely, the lack thereof, can produce equally DISMAL results! Brandon and Jauron are the Anti-Polian and Anti- Levy.
by fansince60 on Oct 12, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please
Polian looks like a genius because of Peyton Manning.
Peyton manning makes Saturday amazing, any RB amazing, any WR amazing.
He makes the defense appear amazing. Imagine if Schobel had 2 quarters to just attempt sacks like freeney.
Peyton Manning, Peyton Manning, Peyton Manning.
Polian got lucky.
by JoeSelkirk on Oct 12, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He got lucky with Jim Kelly, too, I suppose.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 12, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
That was a stacked team that he built. Kudos to him.
Indianapolis IS Peyton Manning.
by JoeSelkirk on Oct 12, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you still have to make the pick
Ryan Leaf was there too….and you know what, that team is filled with good depth, and while Manning is the engine….its part of a pretty nice car, and they had a great coaching staff installed and the rest has been history…twice is no fluke. Polian pulls high caliber starters out of every round.
Every good/great team has a good/great QB and the Colts are no exception….
Good Luck With Your Firings Mr. Wilson….Go Bills!
by killascript on Oct 12, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We're watching
The Greatest QB ever in Manning.
That’s kind of lucky that your team finishes poorly and then happens upon the GREATEST EVER!.
by JoeSelkirk on Oct 12, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's like being Tiger Woods' Caddy
Someguys are just in the right spot at the right time.
I agree that the Bills team was stacked, and he and Levy did an amazing job. But look at the talent on that Indy team. Give them any other QB and they’re a mediocre team. Even if they had Carson Palmer they’d be mediocre.
by JoeSelkirk on Oct 12, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Took the Panthers to the NFC championship game.
Sadly, he left because he didn’t get along with Wilson.
by Pistol on Oct 12, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love this message board.
I feel like I’m at an AA meeting. So many points here are as if they were pulled directly from my mind.
Better than Xanex.
Breath easy.
Now I can go on with my day.
by Boogie on Oct 12, 2009 9:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and for what it’s worth, at least we’re getting national recognition.
mike and mike are saying the bills-browns game yesterday set back football 100 years.
by quantumuprising on Oct 12, 2009 10:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I heard people say that about the Pats/Bills game to end last year, but that was mostly because 95% of the plays were runs.
Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.
by UZ on Oct 13, 2009 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nah, you can’t say that after that game, its kind of hard to have a football game in 50mph winds and subzero wind chills.
i’m still cold from that day. and i had heated seats.
by quantumuprising on Oct 13, 2009 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kirk Chambers should never wear our uniform again
Brian said every player is on the bubble right now… to me, this guy’s has burst a long time ago. He is slower, than slow and continues to get blown up in pass blocking, run blocking and forgets snap counts every game.
We can’t go out and at least see that Langston Walker or some other guy out there couldn’t do better as a reserve tackle at this point.
by dabillsr1 on Oct 12, 2009 10:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rule #1
An inferior product CANNOT contain quality components!
by fansince60 on Oct 12, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it the players or the coaching?
Chambers was a high-quality back-up last year. This season he looks awful out there. He has regressed badly, as so many o-line players seem to do on the Bills these days (people were talking about Derrick Dockery as a potential Pro Bowler at the time we signed him, yet he turned into an utter mess by 2008). Is it possible that the problem is not so much the players as the coaching and blocking schemes?
by Macktruck on Oct 12, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No accountability...
Until Chambers (or any other player playing badly) gets benched, like they did with Buggs last week, there is no accountability for playing poorly on our team. OBD has made playing with inexperienced or bad back-ups a common area because of injuries to starters. OBD thought they’d be bench players anyway so it didn’t matter.
What hasn’t happened is that Trent Edwards hasn’t moved our offense anywhere, therefore we are playing in 3rd and long situations constantly and a player like Chambers is getting “blown up” by average DE’s because they know TE will be dropping back for a pass.
It could get really ugly against the Jets this coming week. We might be seeing Fitzpatrick before too long.
by dabillsr1 on Oct 12, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But you can’t bench Chambers because there is truly no one behind him to take his place. He’s the #4 OT on the roster, and if you don’t like Chambers the last thing you want is to see #5.
by Macktruck on Oct 12, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rock Bottom - Been There, Done That
For those Bills fans who are under 50 years of age, you haven’t seen “rock bottom.” Yes, this current Bills is poor and headed that way but not bad (yet) COMPARED to some of the Bills teams of the past that fans here suffered with. Wait until the season is over and see if your current Bills can match the following:
Try this: 1984-1985 – back-to-back 2-14 seasons!
1967 through 1972 – 17 wins, 86 losses. Included were seasons of 1-13, 1-12-1 and 3-10.
The point is…….hang in there, it’s been far worse here at times.
by ccthemovieman on Oct 12, 2009 10:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed... However.
Since the mid 90’s there has been free agency in the league and revenue sharing to allow for all teams to “turn it around” much quicker than what the prior years had when you could only use the draft and player trades to improve your roster. When teams go 1-15 to the winning the division and playoffs from one year to the next (Miami), or out of the playoffs to winning the Superbowl (Rams). Not being able to sniff the playoffs or have a winning season year after year is inexcusable. The franchises that are run most poorly in the free agency, revenue sharing era that we are in are the ones that do worse year after year. I am afraid that we are apart of that and will continue to be until Ralph steps aside and gives the reigns to someone else to call all the shots and spend his money accordingly.
by dabillsr1 on Oct 12, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trade Deadline
Who do the Bills have that other teams would want? Any chance of turning them into decent draft picks?
Marcus Stroud – 27 tackles – 2 sacks
Kyle Williams – 27 – tackles – 1sack
Aaron Schobel – 16 tackles – 3 sacks
Fred Jackson – solid number 2 back
Lee Evans, Owens have the talent, just not the numbers.
Another year… another rebuild project
Any thoughts? Anybody else another team would want?
by Northern Bills on Oct 12, 2009 10:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
As much as it hurts to say this...
TO (my long-time favorite player) should be traded by the deadline. We need to get something out of him, and despite his poor numbers, teams know what he brings to the table which could help them in the playoffs. They also know that he has to behave on their team in order to pull a 2010 contract. It needs to be done. (tear)
As for Step 5, I live in PA, so I’ll just be watching the Bills get destroyed on the NFL Redzone channel, for the rest of the season.
They are hard to play but not hard to beat.
- Mike Lombardi on the Buffalo Bills
by Sluss88 on Oct 12, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
be honest
Do you think, if there was all the interest Rosenhaus said there was, that TO would have come HERE? YOu’d have better luck trading an Edsel.
by fansince60 on Oct 12, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can't tell me there isn't a team who wouldn't take him
Yes, there aren’t teams lining up, but he’s shown to be a ‘mellow’ version of himself, so you have to believe there is a team willing to take a chance on him.
They are hard to play but not hard to beat.
- Mike Lombardi on the Buffalo Bills
by Sluss88 on Oct 12, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could believe a team like Balitmore might be interested. Question is: What are they going to give up for a temporary quick fix at WR? Not much.
by Applsoss on Oct 12, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To me, Williams and Jackson are not tradeable. They have too much value to us and not enough name recognition to anyone else.
Official ledge-talker-offer of the Buffalo Bills.
by WhyBillsWhy on Oct 13, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope, I'm on that wagon.
However, I’m sure we’ll trade down for Tebow (bust)…
They are hard to play but not hard to beat.
- Mike Lombardi on the Buffalo Bills
by Sluss88 on Oct 12, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does that joke work considering we’ll have new decision-makers?
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 12, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait....
was that a joke Brian? Or maybe just wishful thinking?
by Boogie on Oct 12, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it hovers somewhere between fact and wishful thinking. Definitely not a joke.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 12, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
depends
it depends on the new decision makers. If they’re in the same mold as the old (i.e. a cheap fix) then, the joke holds up (and it’s on us!)
by fansince60 on Oct 12, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is your stance on Trent at this point, do you think he is capable or have you seen enough?
by TJJ on Oct 12, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, that question was directed to you Brian.
by TJJ on Oct 12, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I think Trent is capable. No, I have not seen enough. Give him the full season, for better or worse, just to see how he works through it.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 12, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bradford is going to bust so hard it’ll be coming out his ears. Bust, that is.
I want Snead or Lefevour.
Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.
by UZ on Oct 13, 2009 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh… have you watched Snead play this year?
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 13, 2009 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
also, snead has looked beyond terrible. i don’t even know how to describe it.
by quantumuprising on Oct 13, 2009 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think bradford and mccoy both have huge bust potentials – and huge all star potential, it just depends who drafts them and how they are developed.
now, i am a notre dame homer, but i do think jimmy clausen is probably the best bet. He’s proven he’s accurate as all get-out, and also, lets not forget that he survived and experience a college year with like, 70-something sacks. i’d rather get a guy that’s been through adversity before and has shown he can work through it than guys who have sat behind all-star o-line’s and thrown to all world receivers for three or four years.
by quantumuprising on Oct 13, 2009 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then your gonna love Jake Locker
Kid is just like Claussen as far as dealing with adversity in this game, and if he waits a year and works with Sarkisian really hard this offseason, you could see him go high in the 1st in the 2011 draft, but he will be a 2nd rounder at the least this year.
As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Fewell, common sense says to play UP on the line against the slant.
by WABillsfan on Oct 13, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bradford Watch...
He looked pretty good this past weekend coming back from his shoulder injury.
by dabillsr1 on Oct 12, 2009 11:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rec’d! Love it Brian! I was thinking the same thing.
I disagree about waiting for an overhaul, but at this point it is moot…
Hey I LOVE the Bills, so this is depressing, but things will get better, they HAVE to.
Sam Bradford may be our starting QB next year and fill the void Jim Kelly left over a decade ago!
GO BILLS!
"You play to win the game, you don't play to just play it" - Herm Edwards
by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 12, 2009 11:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
New Decision Makers
Look at it this way—Ralph Wilson has been in business for 50 years and has had one good GM—Bill Polian and maybe 2 good coaches—Levy and Saban. Think about that—it defies the laws of probability—do you really think he’s going to make a good decision @ 91? He let Levy make his last two—hiring DJ and this ridiculous consensus organization we’re dealing with. We are doomed with him as an owner—period.
by radan on Oct 12, 2009 11:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No to Shanahan
Shanahan was booted out of Denver because he refused to relinquish his GM duties, not because he was a poor coach. His personnel decisions had become questionable. We don’t need him here.
The Dick Jauron version of the K-Gun...the Squirt Gun.
by ChipShot on Oct 12, 2009 11:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Although
it’s no coincidence that McDaniel’s is winning. I feel like it is a Gruden/Dungy situation.
by Ono on Oct 12, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even good coaches run their course sometimes
Even in Pittsburgh, people love Cowher, but his teams were very good to start, then he had a stretch of a few years where his team was mediocre to bad. Remember, they did have the 7th (?) pick to get Big Ben so,they were bad. They just new to stick with him. Their personnel isn’t that bad…even on defense and Mike Nolan knew that. They made a ballsy decision to get rid of Cutler, because they knew that Matt Cassel, or as it has become, Kyle Orton could run his offense well, and it is all paying off.
Moreno looked very quick and smooth out there yesterday too. The team looks the part of a real winner
Good Luck With Your Firings Mr. Wilson….Go Bills!
by killascript on Oct 12, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
to sleep, perhaps to dream
As long as we’re dreaming of Bradford, how about Kelly puts an ownership team together to include a minority owner b/n/o Polian and we solve the world’s problems with one dream.
by fansince60 on Oct 12, 2009 11:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Disagree about Jauron being fired
I know it will not turn this team around this year, but I think you need to get rid of him asap as this team is getting progressively worse and you need to try and stop that. It may not work, but I think it is better than keeping Jauron around for the rest of the year.
by billsfan69 on Oct 12, 2009 11:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
As much as I hate the idea of the midseason coaching change, I think there is something to this idea. We have looked SO POOR in the past few games that you almost have to worry about ending a player regression – fire the coach now before players keep getting WORSE and they become unsalvageable.
by quantumuprising on Oct 12, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like many Bills fans, I’ve been calling for DJ’s ouster for about a year and a half…mid-season, late season, off-season, pre-season, ANY season. Just get rid of the guy!
But Brian and others are right, a mid-season coaching change may not be in the best long-term interest of the team. As good as canning DJ would feel, the real problem is the front office. Sure you can extend the blame to the owner, but getting rid of him most probably means ending the Bills tenure in WNY; not to mention that it is his team. So, barring divine intervention, DJ’s fate is sealed.
Considering he is a non-factor what can we hope for this year that puts the team in a better position to turn things around?
- More losses that expose the foolish personnel decisions made by the brain trust.
- More losses to clearly demonstrate the mediocre to poor job Guy/Modak, et.al. have done in evaluating talent
- More losses to illustrate the lunacy of the Bills front-office structure
- More losses to improve the Bills draft position
While I hate to see the team lose, it may be the best medicine. This has helped me get through the Cleveland game and I’ll use it throughout the remainder of the season.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
by NJBill on Oct 12, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Losing is the best medicine? Medicine is supposed to make you better. We’ve been taking this medicine for 15 years and haven’t been able to shake this disease.
by quantumuprising on Oct 12, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His point, was, I think
that it if it takes a totally-disastrous record to shake up Ralph to the point where the organization is restructured for the betterment of this team, then so be it. Obviously 7-9 records haven’t moved to Bills “braintrust” to acquire a legit GM and winning coach, so maybe 2-14 might.
The problem is that Wilson, at this point, might be beyond all logical thinking.
by ccthemovieman on Oct 12, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another Angle
is that if the Bills keep Jauron they are more likely to get a top 5 pick — let the team spiral to the bottom.
If making a coaching change this year will help the Bills get 2 more wins, yet doesn’t solve the problem long term, then why not keep Jauron till the end of the year and get 2 fewer wins w/ a top 5 pick?
I can’t believe I’m saying this: “Keep Jauron to improve the team for the future!”
Bills fan half way around the world
by moncheri on Oct 12, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This makes complete sense to me. Although I’d prefer a proven coach anytime, but that isn’t likely to happen mid-season and won’t address the FO issues.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
by NJBill on Oct 13, 2009 4:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. Back to back 2-14 seasons in the mid-80’s ushered in a new era. The same thing happened in the 70’s, then Ralph hired Chuck Knox. After the post Levy coaching carousel, I believe that Ralph just wanted some stability; he was comfortable with the FO and thought with a few additions, Jauron would get the team over the hump. Obviously, we were more than a few missing pieces away. The more disastrous the season, the deeper the change considered by Ralph.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
by NJBill on Oct 13, 2009 4:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where's Randy Quaid in the stands when you need him?
"In every adversity there lies the seed of an equivalent advantage. In every defeat is a lesson showing you how to win the victory next time." (Robert Collier)
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 12, 2009 12:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That’s pretty funny, because my buddy and I spent the entirety of yesterday’s game quoting Randy Quaid.
- You’re all garbage! All of ya! Back up the truck! Back it up!
- Your old mother hubbard and only Hamden’s in the cupboard.
- Bring out the tarp, cover the field. Lets turn this place into a parking lot.
And this one, which wasn’t a Randy Quaid quote, but obviously still works.
- Obviously Jauron’s thinking….I don’t know what the hell Jauron’s thinking!
So easy Marshawn Lynch can do it.
by thatguy34 on Oct 12, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go Angels!
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
by sireric on Oct 12, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was a tough game on Sunday. I’ll be rooting for them in ALCS though, good luck against the yanks.
by TJJ on Oct 12, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't help but disagree
Firstly Brian every point you make about not canning DJ currently are valid. From a fan’s point of view he needs to go, because he does not deserve the job anymore. The team is not awful, but they are playing like it. Yesterday’s game was a mockery. The Brown’s look worse than the Rams, and fans need to know that this kind of effort is not acceptable. Firing DJ will not help us win any more games, but seeing as the season is written off already OBD needs to tell fans they don’t accept this awful product being put out on the field. Bring in the new coach (hopefully Cowher, probably Gruden or some no namer) and let’s start building for next year. Solid group of young’ens, one more good draft class and some competent coaching and perhaps we’ll still care come week 6.
Later Losman!
by rockybillboa on Oct 12, 2009 1:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’ve said it a million times – you can’t bring in an outside hire mid-season. It’s either Jauron or Bobby April. Pick your poison.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 12, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
let April coach then. Probably will be his only shot at HC gig anyway
Good Luck With Your Firings Mr. Wilson….Go Bills!
by killascript on Oct 12, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's about....
Bob sanders? He has the d-line playing well, he was green bays DC and seems like a take no prisoners type of guy. Lets not limit ourselves to april and fewell
Rrrawrrrr, rrrawrrr like a dungeon dragon-Busta Ryhmes
by Moe_frm_B_ on Oct 12, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that other then April, Sanders is the only other real option for an interim head coach. The thing is though, April is assistant HC. If he doesn’t got a shot at the interim position, I doubt he will stick around for the next regime…if we care, it just needs to be taken into consideration.
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
by sireric on Oct 12, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
April is well paid, and considering the job he is doing this year
he might not be in a big hurry to find a new job. Has April ever said he wants to be a HC? He could be sitting at home praying he doesn’t get asked.
Poor ball security leads to very painful outcomes
by Joe P. on Oct 12, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
See I think if he becomes interim he for sure can’t go back to being just the special teams coach. If you want him to stay you need to promote someone else.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 12, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he's promoted he's gone from the Bills at the end of the year.
No one takes a job for a few months to go back to his old job.
by twoeightnine on Oct 13, 2009 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s probably gone anyway; a new HC will likely bring in his own guy. Although it’s not his fault, the Bills Special Teams have been anything but special. I like the idea of giving April a shot. At least he’d be more entertaining to watch on the sidelines. There’s also a 2% chance that he’s pull out a Mike Singletary, which are better than the odds of the Bills winning another game this season!
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
by NJBill on Oct 13, 2009 4:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
April stayed through the last coaching change.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 13, 2009 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True…and he’d have a better chance of sticking than any other coach. But he’s also the Assistant Head Coach. I’m not sure the new guy will want him to keep those responsibilities—whatever they are—and April may not want them stripped away.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
by NJBill on Oct 14, 2009 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d say if anyone had a shot at staying on it’s April. He has had top special teams in like 3 out of the last 5 years in the NFL. I realize that they blow this year, but he has a trend of good units all around.
"Potential just means you haven’t done sh## yet"
by willgarr15 on Oct 13, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They blow this year, because the raw talent he is supposed to be working with on ST are now starters. He’s left with raw, not-quite talented players. It’s ironic that the Cleveland game may have been decided by one of his former players, Blake Costanzo.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
by NJBill on Oct 14, 2009 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As much as I want to believe and hope the right decisions are made
I just have no hope whatsoever that the right changes will be made.
Can we really expect Ralph Wilson to actually can the entire front office and coaching staff like he should AND pick a strong football mind from outside the organization to run the franchise? What makes us think he has the ability to hire the right person/people??
As long as Wilson is in charge and meddling his way through whatever front office structure he employs, it’ll be darn near impossible to have a consistent winner here.
Of course, I’ll continue watching and hoping something miraculous happens. Until it does though, the little flicker of hope I had appear only occasionally. Please, Ralph, please!! Do the right thing, even if you have to talk to and take the opinion of numerous outside influences. We need a young, energized leader of this franchise, one that will bring a unifying scheme/structure/plan and get this franchise on the right track for the first time in 15 years.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Oct 12, 2009 1:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd turn up Ralph's hearing aid............
but imma take a page from everyone else………and just defer
"In every adversity there lies the seed of an equivalent advantage. In every defeat is a lesson showing you how to win the victory next time." (Robert Collier)
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 12, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think an important point to be made here is that Ralph doesn’t actually have to can anybody.
Seriously.
Everyone’s under contract, but that wouldn’t prevent him from going out and hiring someone else. He’s got the money. If one of his advisers smartened up and told him to bring in a GM, and he went out and hired one (Eric DeCosta!), then the new GM could keep whoever the hell he wanted – including Jauron.
So we don’t need to hope for anything other than Ralph realizing that status quo won’t cut it, nor will anyone currently in the organization. That’s all he needs to realize. We don’t need to hope for firings and press conferences and all that crap – just a realization and some action on it.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 12, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
>
So easy Marshawn Lynch can do it.
by thatguy34 on Oct 12, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently arrows don’t work.
So easy Marshawn Lynch can do it.
by thatguy34 on Oct 12, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The point, however, is made. Well done.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 12, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am on the DeCosta bandwagon, when do we get T-Shirts Brian?
As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Fewell, common sense says to play UP on the line against the slant.
by WABillsfan on Oct 12, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
289 still needs to make them up.
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
by sireric on Oct 12, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
Actually, I’d say Ralph does have to can people. Imagine if he keeps everything in tact, or the majority of it? I can’t imagine the fan outrage in the city if that were to happen.
We obviously need Wilson to acknowledge there are problems and changes need to be made, but he also needs to make the right changes. I’m not confident he can do that.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Oct 12, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He needs to fire 1 person: Jauron. He might be the scapegoat…but he has to go. But I agree with how both you and Brian believe we should go about it. GM first. Coach 2nd. Personell 3rd.
by Berg79 on Oct 12, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I’m not saying Ralph would be preserving anything, either. What are the chances that a new GM would keep Jauron, or keep a scouting staff/director and pro personnel staff/director he has no affiliation with? And Jauron? No – the new GM would do the blowing up.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 12, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But I do see Ralph telling the new GM to hang onto Brandon, he has done a lot to make the team...
economically viable in Western NY and is always good at the PR moves to keep the Bills front and center and pulling in cash.
He and Modrak might be the only two guys who make it into the next regime
As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Fewell, common sense says to play UP on the line against the slant.
by WABillsfan on Oct 12, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But that would make someone accountable for this mess. And we don’t want that to happen.
by twoeightnine on Oct 12, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel like that part about cake was for my benefit Brian........
and the inner fat kid in me thanks you very very much.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 12, 2009 3:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL – yes, I’ll freely admit that your frequent proclamations about the greatness of chocolate cake came to mind when I wrote that.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 12, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am personally inclined to Marble Cake with a choclate fudge frosting myself
Or Red Velvet cake, yum…
As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Fewell, common sense says to play UP on the line against the slant.
by WABillsfan on Oct 12, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My favorite is Better than Sex Cake ;-)
and YES…it is a real cake…..almost lives up to its name.
http://southernfood.about.com/od/chocolatecakes/r/blbb678.htm
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by Joe P. on Oct 12, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ummm wow, that does sound phenomenal, and I don't think my wife will let me ANYWHERE near it now!
As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Fewell, common sense says to play UP on the line against the slant.
by WABillsfan on Oct 12, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oooooh red velvet is the best!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Oct 13, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How to survive
Step 4: Watch, and root for, other NFL teams
…But most of all, watch it to get the taste of Bills football out of your mouth. Watch it to cleanse your football soul.
Exactly! How refreshing it is on Sunday and Monday nights to watch contests between teams that have the depth to compete.
Also, try to have a sense of humor. It’s sad when our MVP of the game is on the other team. (That would be Robert Royal. It could have been a real solid loss if he hadn’t been dropping passes.) Unfortunately, Cleveland’s MVP was on our team (Roscoe Parish.)
by Sixteenthback on Oct 12, 2009 5:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If I was in Dick Jauron's shoes...
Those SOBs on the line – they’re running suicides at the end of yesterday’s game. (Hell, make the whole team do them. other than the field goal unit).
No one gets a day off. They’d be in there each day watching film and working out.
I’d see the team getting just pissed off enough to hate me enough, thus playing hard enough trying never to go through these 2 things again.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 12, 2009 6:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
New Gm, new coach
Why not give Bobby April a chance?? The Bills should Fire Dick like right now, and try trading T.O.
I hate Ralph Wilson so much its not even funny.
by rick p on Oct 12, 2009 6:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd
Simply a great post.
Addressing point 4: If you don’t have a team you’d like to root for might I suggest one: The Indianapolis Colts.
1. They are former members of the AFC East.
2. They have many coaches who were with the Bills in their glory years
3. They run an beautifully executed and professional offense that is a nod to the K-Gun.
4. They are also sort of a small market team
5. Fairly friendly fan base.
6. Also hate Patriots
Most importantly the Colts are a team with a purpose. When Brian talked about having an identity and a philosophy, the Colts are a great example of this. That is why when they had as drastic a thing as coaches leaving, it didn’t destroy the team because they were united under a system. Tony Dungy taught Jim Caldwell how to thrive in the Colts system.
They also should be looked at from the GM standpoint too. The Colts run a similar defense to the Bills, only difference is that they have just found very good fits for their offensive and defensive systems. They aren’t a perfect team, but considering how Indianapolis isn’t the biggest city, and considering how fickle the Bills and the league have been they are what I hope the Buffalo Bills strive to be someday.
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by pasaluki on Oct 12, 2009 8:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and reading above
It isn’t JUST Peyton Manning. Manning is obviously one of the best QBs to play the game, but his coaches also put him in the perfect system to thrive and he is so dominant in it, and knows it so well, that he is literally capable of running it himself. Tom Moore now just sort of gives him suggestions (kind of like ask madden).
Meanwhile the Bills players couldn’t understand the “complexities” of Turk Schonert’s playbook, so they switched to the dumb downed AVP one. Trent doesn’t understand timing routes, or anything advanced and the Bills offense is extremely inconsistent.
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by pasaluki on Oct 12, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry dude, I’m from Colorado so the Broncos will be my second team.
And what a second team they are to watch… I am REALLY starting to regret being a Bills fan from Colorado… :(
Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.
by UZ on Oct 13, 2009 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree with almost everything you say Brian,
but on this topic I can’t help but disagree. there isn’t a head coach on our staff , aside from DJ, its time for change. i know, it’s redundant to argue at this point. just my opinion, and i know yours ;)
Later Losman!
by rockybillboa on Oct 12, 2009 11:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
To the Bradford people
Just know that he’s going to bust harder than pretty much everyone not named Tebow next year. There’s a reason his stock has fallen so far behind Snead’s.
Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.
by UZ on Oct 13, 2009 2:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What are you talking about?
Thanks for letting me know the future!!!
How can anyone fall behind Snead this year? He’s been AWFUL. Like Trent Edwards awful.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Oct 13, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like Trent Edwards awful
noooooo – no way. Trent Edwards bad? that’s pretty bad – pretty bad indeed
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Trent Edwards - Backup QB until furthur notice. Care to prove me wrong Trent?
by J2 on Oct 13, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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