More Positive Spin
by Ono on Oct 12, 2009 4:10 PM EDT
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Yesterday's loss was as awful for me as anyone else, but this is what rebuilding looks like folks. We were not a good team when Jauron took over. In fact we were on the tail end of gamble and blunder. A new team had to be built from scratch including trying out and dumping a first round QB.
Jauron is a defensive guy. We all know that and he appears to be rebuilding this thing defense first. I think we can argue that we now have a sense of a Jauron defense and it's not actually bad--quite frankly, it is decent. Say what you will, but the defense has done well. They put up with a high calliber, possibly Super Bowl calliber New Orleans team. They've done a great job this season. They have cracked at the end of games, but they are built that way. This defense is built to be solid, smart, and dependable, but not a 40-45 minute time of possession defense. There is nothing wrong with that philosophy, especially if you expect your offense to give you17-21 points a game.
I think it is pretty impressive that with all the injuries we've had on the defense, we've had quality depth. One area of the team that we are not panicked with is the defense. We've seen growth and depth and there is a future on defense.
The issue now is the offense. The brass has decided to invest in the offense now and we've seen them divest themselves of bad players at great cost to themselves. Three new starters on the O-line takes guts, but it was a move they had to make for the future of the team and I think we can all agree that all three will be solid starters moving forward. We finally have the line we always wanted, but we have to wait for it to develop. The unfortunate aspect of all this is that we do have some talented pieces in other skill positions which depend on the Oline getting it's act together.
I feel like this rebuilding is actually working. The defense is where we want it to be and now the offense is getting there. We have good quality starters and now we need experience and quality depth. If you take a look at other hapless teams like the Lions of last few seasons or the Redskins, you couldn't look at them and see a path forward. With this Bills team, the issue is experience on the O-line and more offensive quality depth.
This may be crazy but I am not opposed to keeping DJ for one more year. (I can't believe I'm saying this.) But this team has come a very long way and we are certainly not Matt Millen's hapless Lions. Also, Tony Dungy was widley panned in Tampa Bay because he could not win with his extremely talented group. His demeanor was also an issue--he did not get fired up, or show emotion, etc. I'm not saying Jauron is Dungy, but I firmly believe we can get the same result if we are patient. If Jauron get's canned, I can live with it, but I think we'll see that who ever takes over will have a heck of a team to work with.
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it is VERY crazy
This may be crazy but I am not opposed to keeping DJ for one more year.
Unless you enjoy the product on the field now……then what the heck!
"In every adversity there lies the seed of an equivalent advantage. In every defeat is a lesson showing you how to win the victory next time." (Robert Collier)
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 12, 2009 4:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
blockquote Fail.......
Is the a MRW equivilant of that?
"In every adversity there lies the seed of an equivalent advantage. In every defeat is a lesson showing you how to win the victory next time." (Robert Collier)
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 12, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will admit for the first time in the past week—but especially after yesterday’s game—you have actually made me think that keeping Jauron has some merit. I agree that the defense is strong (particularly when Poz, Whitner, etc.) are healthy, and the O-line is young and certainly couldn’t be expected to keep up the performance they put up the first 2 weeks.
But then I re-considered—we need to get rid of Jauron because this team has REGRESSED. I will grant that playing a bunch of new guys will be a struggle, but we need to show improvement, and this offense has just gotten worse and worse. You have to put that on the coach, and while I don’t advocate overhauling the player personnel, I think you need a new guy in charge to ensure that they IMPROVE from week to week.
by McGee24 on Oct 12, 2009 4:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Special Teams
has taken a step back as well as the O-line. But I would call regression when it is the same players regressing. The Oline is new and we are getting killed on ST because there are new guys. I will give you that Roscoe Parrish is regressing.
On defense, though, I don’t think we see anyone regressing. Maybe nothing to report on McCargo, but Kelsay, Ellison, and the kids have all stepped up. There are some, and I use the word loosely, but there are some positives here.
by Ono on Oct 12, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jauron is up there in the worst offensive minds every to hold a head coaching position. He is at D coordinator nothing more.
And that doesn’t even begin to address his piss poor in game management, lack of motivational tactics, or even things as small as his inability to properly use the challenge flag.
by Berg79 on Oct 12, 2009 4:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good D coordinators usually
have a decent sense of offense. He rolled the dice on the no-huddle. we all thought it was daring and interesting and he has definite thoughts about the way it should run. He does have a philosophy. He just needs the O Line to gel. That’s the only piece missing.
I agree he has had some head-scratcher decisions in the past few years. I’m in the DC area so I watch more of other teams than the Bills and head-scratcher game management decisions are more common among most coaches than we would think.
by Ono on Oct 12, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was me
responding to your post.. i don’t agree with any of it.
by JoeSelkirk on Oct 12, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What a Shame
Dungy didn’t need to how emotion or get fired up because he had seasoned, older players that already knew how to fire themselves up and fire their teamates up. Its such a shame to see Edwards adopting the same manorisms as his HC. I would like to see him play under another HC to see if a good kick in the butt or the fear of loss would shape him up.
As of right now though, I don’t see Edwards firing his offense up. When a receiver drops a pass, theirs no “Come on, get your head in the damn game and catch that pass”. Just
“ok, well get’em next time” type of attitude.
Sorry, not trying to DJ bash, but I’ve always ben a fan of a vocal coach, and I think especially for a very young team, a stern, vocal coach is exactly what they need.
by DernDern on Oct 12, 2009 4:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I gotta tell you
I was pumped watching Josh McDaniel run over to the stands and give a shout out to the fans and then jump on one of his players. That was exciting. I like the vocal coaches too. I liked Cowher. I remember once he considered punching out a player who was returning a pick for a touchdown. That is exciting. But coaches come in different stripes and this is what we got and the Dungys and Reeves of this world have had decent success too.
by Ono on Oct 12, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The brass has decided to invest in the offense now
yep, they really broke the bank there. not.
most of my posts get deleted :(
by dzil on Oct 12, 2009 6:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
not sure I’d call replacing questionable veteran talent with questionable younger talent a big “investment”. Shot in the dark might be a better description.
most of my posts get deleted :(
by dzil on Oct 12, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fans shouldn’t have to spin things to find the positive but yet here we are.
by twoeightnine on Oct 12, 2009 7:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Can't totally agree
The defense has generally played well in most of our games (though not that great against Miami), especially given all of the injuries. But we still have no legitimate pass rush. We still need help at DE and LB. I don’t know if we have “quality depth” at either of those positions. And while the D has played well, I don’t think it’s shut anyone down except for maybe Cleveland, and let’s face it, Cleveland’s receivers worked hard to make us look good. I do NOT think our D measure up to the quality of playoff calibre teams.
And in any event, Jauron is gone after this year no matter what.
Still, it’s good to hear another point of view around here.
by Applsoss on Oct 12, 2009 7:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
heres the thing
I think what your saying would be somewhat true if it weren’t for the injuries. I do kind of agree, we looked pretty good until after week 2 when the injury avalanche began to overtake us. Losing Brad Butler has to be the biggest loss of the year followed closely by Poz. We have been shredded on the ground without him, which is why I disagree thta our defense only collapses in the 4th. Jamal Lewis??? We can’t stop the run. I hate the Tampa 2, I really really do. Our defense is full of a lot of undersized players. Jauron has sold me on the fact that bigger and stronger is better than faster and smaller by failing to adopt an effective D.
There is one more problem: how can you ask a guy to return who can not for the life of him get the ball to Terrell Owens and Lee Evans?? I don’t care what your philosophy is, if you have Marshawn Lynch and Fred Jackson running so effectively you have NO excuse for not getting those dynamic receivers the ball. Even their amount of targets are lower than a lot of receivers receptions. I don;t even think its Trents fault, DJ and company miscalculated on the offensive line and they are paying dearly. Winning along the trenches – ala the Giants o-line – is a basic commandment of football and one that DJ and OBD violated, they should be punished accordingly.
We got your back Leodis!
by poz on Oct 13, 2009 11:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
they should be punished accordingly.
they are being punshied accordingly
I am so clever that sometimes I don’t understand a single word of what I am saying
Trent Edwards - Backup QB until furthur notice. Care to prove me wrong Trent?
by J2 on Oct 13, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
d’oh
punished….damn fast fingers
I am so clever that sometimes I don’t understand a single word of what I am saying
Trent Edwards - Backup QB until furthur notice. Care to prove me wrong Trent?
by J2 on Oct 13, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What exactly do some of you see or how low are your expectations?
The defense has played great? What? They’ve played hard, but they’ve been routinely pushed around this year. New Orleans had a conservative gameplan because they knew they were the better team. They ended up with over 200 yards rushing. Miami ran all over us. Jamal Lewis (!) had a pretty good game the other day! Just because we held Derek Anderson in check doesn’t mean it was a great performance.
The defense is where we want it to be? We’re allowing 154 yards on the ground, 4.7 ypc, 40% 3rd down conversions, have forced only 5 turnovers, etc. That’s where we want it?
Keep Jauron for another year? What?! Jauron isn’t Tony Dungy and the Bills aren’t the Colts. What’s the point of making that “comparison”?
This team has come a long way? Again, what?! We’ve lost 12 of 15 and are looking at a 5-11 season, at best. That happens to be the same record in the year prior to Jauron. Yeah, we’ve come a LONG way!
Jauron needs to go and there is nothing to support keeping him other than Ralph not wanting to pay for his buyout, and even that is ridiculous.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Oct 13, 2009 1:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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