Please trade T.O. !
by Fred 4 Prez on Oct 12, 2009 7:14 PM EDT
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There is no reason to keep T.O. on this team anymore. He has been on his best behavior which is why I think some organization would take a shot with him. I think we can easily get a 4th rounder from someone. With Hardy coming back and needing some playing time and we all know T.O. will be gone after his 1 year stint, he has no use for us anymore. Your thoughts?
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What would be a possible thought on Derrick Johnson in KC
Heaven knows KC is having a tough time too!
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And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
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by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 12, 2009 7:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd take that trade
but why would the Chiefs want TO, assuming that’s what you’re inferring?
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by Kurupt on Oct 13, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well even though DJ is capable of making plays Haley likes Demorrio Williams better
The Chiefs obviously have a lack of playmakers on Offense.
DJ seems to want out of KC, can’t imagine why with 2 wins in forever.
plus he is actually if traded under contract, with no new collective bargaining agreement,
for this year and next.
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
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by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 13, 2009 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The horrible Bills staff doesn’t know he exists so its a good thought but not realistic
by csc06258 on Oct 13, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trade Lee Evans!
TO has had more of an impact that Lee. Unload his contract, get a couple of draft picks, and build a line that can keep Trent upright so he can pass the ball down field.
Trample the weak, hurdle the dead!
by fansince83 on Oct 12, 2009 7:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lee isn’t playing badly, he just isn’t getting thrown to, what on earth is wrong with you?
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by UZ on Oct 13, 2009 3:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s not getting thrown to because he’s not getting open. He can’t catch the ball underneath and get yards after the catch. His only bright spot is when he runs vertical. One dimentional. At least TO, at his age, can get YAC.
Trample the weak, hurdle the dead!
by fansince83 on Oct 13, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I, too, would consider trading Evans before trading Owens.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 13, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why evans is 27 and owens is reday to retire? y would you trade evans? Just because Trent is playing horrible and cann’t get the ball to him?
by csc06258 on Oct 13, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, first of all, I wouldn’t actively shop him.
But between the two, Evans has significantly higher trade value. He’s younger. He’s well-respected around the league, mostly because he plays here. Owens is Owens, and he’s a free agent after the season.
If I’m another team with an established QB looking for receiver help, I’m talking to Buffalo about Evans before I’m talking about Owens. That’s all. And if the right offer came along, I wouldn’t hesitate to pull the trigger.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 13, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What would you get for Evans, a 2nd, thats a player like Hardy. So by getting rid of Evans, you make our team worse by getting rid of one of our best playmakers. He is regressing because Trent is regressing, its not his fault. So if you trade him for a 2nd round you would end up having to take another receiver at some point that probably will not be as good as evans, so you just made our team worse. Also, a team is not going to pick up his 9mil a year contract, that is way too much. He is getting almost as much money as Fitzgerald which is crazy. We invested in him for the long term, so lets keep it that way, we need a good QB and O-line. By the way if we didn’t fumble two times this season when it counted we’d be 3-2 and no one would be talking about trading Evans and Owens, so I don’t get why everyone is so trade happy now. We have talent at key positions, we need to trade our coach and our whole front office, thats what needs trading.
by csc06258 on Oct 13, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, again, I said I’m not actively shopping him, so I’m not making the team worse, am I? All I’m saying is that it’s far more likely that teams call about Evans than about Owens, and if someone offered me a deal that was a little more than reasonable, I’d consider making the trade.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 13, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes more people would be looking at evans than owens I agree but if you lose evans, then owens at the end of the year what are you going to do for WR come next year? O and Josh Reeds contract is up this year too, so you potentially could lose your starting 3 Wide outs. Everyone wants to trade roscoe too, so your left with Steve Johnson, Hardy and Jenkins, what a solid group that is. We need to fix the O tackles and the Q.B position. Thats number one priority. What is a little more than reasonable, a 3rd round pick? That isn’t even close to what evans is worth. Just like that 1st round we got from the eagles wasn’t worth Peters. I love Wood, but I’d rather have Peters at LT than wood.
by csc06258 on Oct 13, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But would you rather have Peters at 10 mil per season than Wood at 2 mil per season? And it’s alright to still prefer Peters, but you’ve got to consider the money they make.
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by kaisertown on Oct 13, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think it really matters who we have at wide out if we don’t throw them the ball. If we don’t have a line that can protect long enough to let the guys get open, Fred and the tight end dejur will continue to be our leading receiver.
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by fansince83 on Oct 13, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes more people would be looking at evans than owens I agree but if you lose evans, then owens at the end of the year what are you going to do for WR come next year?
Well, that’s the thing, isn’t it – it doesn’t matter who we trot out at receiver when our offensive line is in shambles, our quarterback position is questionable at best, and we can’t stop the run defensively. Aside from maybe three guys in the entire league, I’d trade any big-name receiver for a quality DT or even the chance to select a franchise QB.
To me, receiver is one of the positions that you address when the core of your team is built.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 14, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe your trading for a Hardy type, but maybe your trading for Eddie Royal or DeSean Jackson. Or Matt Forte, John Carlson, Curtis Lofton or Brandon Flowers. All those guys were taken in the same vicinity of Hardy.
And isn’t it a little bit contradictory to say that Evans is more valuable to the Bills than a 2nd rounder and then say that his contract would make teams not want him? Which is it?
Money is obviously a huge factor for the Bills and other teams though. Remember, you’re not just trading Evans for the pick, you’re trading Evans for the pick and for whatever you’re going to do with the money you save. And that’s what might make a 2nd rounder as valuable as Evans. Sure we’d all rather have Evans than Hardy, even at his current salary, but who would rather have Evans making 8 mil a year than DeSean Jackson or Eddie Royal making 900K a season?
I don’t think Evans’ contract makes him tough to trade in any way though. It was reported as a 4 year 37.25 mil contract, but really, it was more like an extension. Buffalo paid him almost 12 mil last year (which was the last year of his rookie deal, but he got a bunch of upfront money thanks to the extension like contract), so really it was more like a 5 year 40-42 mil contract which is reasonable and left Buffalo with about four years and 28-30 mil to pay. After this season, Evans only has three years and 18-20 mil left depending on incentives earned. It’s a very reasonable contract for a new team to take on.
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by kaisertown on Oct 13, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another question
Who would rather have Evans making $8M a year, compared to a DeSean Jackson or Eddie Royal at $8M. Myself, I’d rather have either of the other two if the costs were exactly the same. Younger, more to offer, etc…
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by Kurupt on Oct 13, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes to Jackson, maybe to Royal. I think they’d both be a better fit in this offense if nothing else.
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by kaisertown on Oct 13, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
trade them both with jauron and trent and make a play on peyton manning lol
how much longer will the abuse last?
by buffalo bennie28 on Oct 12, 2009 7:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Another good idea – except; no one would trade for him
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by Ghetts on Oct 12, 2009 7:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Trade everyone we can get multiple day 1 picks for
except Nelson, Maybin, Wood, and Levitre. Yeah….it is that bad. I am not saying we don’t have any other good players, just nobody that can’t be replaced.
Poor ball security leads to very painful outcomes
by Joe P. on Oct 12, 2009 7:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
maybin is horrible and will never be anything unless hes a LB in a 3-4. He needs to put on 30 lbs if he wants to be a DE in this league.
by csc06258 on Oct 13, 2009 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
30 pounds? So he needs to weigh 275 to be any good? Plenty of players have great careers in the 240-250 pound range. You’ve got to give Maybin some time. He missed most of camp and was one of the younger and more inexperienced players in the draft. DEs are one of the slower developing positions in general too.
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by kaisertown on Oct 13, 2009 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed....kid has talent. Now whether he should be a 4-3 DE or a 3-4 LB remains to be seen.
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by Joe P. on Oct 13, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he doesn’t weigh 240 or 250 like they say, i saw Mathis on sunday night football and they said he is 255 and he is huge compared to Maybin. Even all the experts said before the draft, Maybin won’t get any looks from 4-3 teams, but our great scouting group thought different and thats why we will miss out once again.
by csc06258 on Oct 13, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He weighed 249 at the combine. What experts said he wouldn’t “get any looks from 4-3 teams”. I don’t think I saw that anywhere. And Maybin is 21 years old, he’s going to get bigger.
Here’s Maybin at the combine:
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by kaisertown on Oct 13, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You all realize the trade deadline is either tomorrow or Wednesday, right? I highly doubt this organization had the hindsight to put together a “disaaster plan” in place in case the team was done by the Canadian Thanksgiving.
The smart thing to do would be to have a firesale now.
by krytime on Oct 12, 2009 8:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Whoops…my bad. I thought the Trade deadline was tomorrow; it’s next Tuesday. Maybe they do have time to hold a little sale…
by krytime on Oct 12, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
while at the game.......
TO was the only upbeat player in the huddle on our last failed drive attempt! I couldn’t believe it, but it seems like he was actually the only one who didnt tuck his tail between his legs. I’m not a big TO fan, but everyone on the team is too complacent. TO is that difference in attitude this team needs. Wow i cant believe im actually saying this.
How many years can we go without making the playoffs...eventually the odds go in your favor.........right?!?!?
by Rudy916 on Oct 12, 2009 9:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good for T.O.
I am glad to hear he is doing that kind of stuff, because all we see on TV is when he has a towel over his head, sitting by himself.
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by Joe P. on Oct 12, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You didn’t see him dancing around near the end of the game and blowing up at the ref after a questionable pass interference non-call? That was pretty emotional for him…
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by UZ on Oct 13, 2009 3:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TV and news outlets prey on drama.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 13, 2009 6:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's how he's always been.
He just wants to win. But the media would never allow that to get out.
by twoeightnine on Oct 12, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s the only guy that shows any emotion on our sleepy offense. It hasn’t rubbed off unfortunately.
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by Kurupt on Oct 13, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A TO trade could actually work. Take a team like the Bears, who could really use a legit #1 WR. They definitely will be in the playoff hunt and a WR like TO for a 3rd rounder could be tempting. So….
Jauron tells TO that they’re getting calls about a possible trade and Jauron tells TO that he won’t be traded if he doesn’t want to go….but that the Bills aren’t what everyone thought they’d be and that TO might want to finish the year with a contender, not a rebuilder. TO feels empowered and respected. If he doesn’t want to go he shouldn’t have a crappy attitude. If he wants to go Buffalo picks up an extra draft pick and unloads a chunk of salary.
The only downside is that Hardy won’t have TO to follow around like a lost puppy. Speaking of Hardy, he should be back after the bye so Edwards will still have a big guy to throw to.
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by Ron From NM on Oct 12, 2009 9:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I like a TO trade
makes sense to get something for next year.
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It’s not like we are actually using him. See what happens Trent when you don’t play with your toys… Mommy sends them to more needy families!
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by keysh67 on Oct 13, 2009 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adam Schefter thinks a Bills/Bears trade makes a lot of sense....
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by Kurupt on Oct 13, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I said this yesterday! Bears or Ravens.
They are hard to play but not hard to beat.
- Mike Lombardi on the Buffalo Bills
by Sluss88 on Oct 13, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only downside is that Hardy won’t have TO to follow around like a lost puppy.
We’ve got two and a half months left in the season and then TO is gone. I don’t think Hardy would be picking up much more from TO over the final 11 games that he hasn’t already picked up….I don’t really think there’s much downside there…
~K
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by Kurupt on Oct 13, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really have to disagree with that. He hasn’t played in a game when TO has been there to guide him. A lot of different situations have got to come up when it’s an actual game rather than practice. Assuming Hardy actually can get back in the lineup, I think it would be amazingly useful to have TO around, if only for a few games.
I’m not saying it’s reason enough to keep TO around, but he’s got to be a valuable source for insight.
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by WhyBillsWhy on Oct 13, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How exactly is TO supposed to “guide” him during a game?
~K
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by Kurupt on Oct 13, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They won’t bench Reed and they haven’t even found a way to get Stevie in the lineup and more importantly on the field.
When your offense is so weak that you loose a game where the opponent completed only 2 of 17 attempts for 23y and 1INT, what does that tell you?
This is a useless discussion. Let’s get what we can for TO while we still can.
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by keysh67 on Oct 14, 2009 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correction Ron:
Edwards will still have a big guy not to throw to.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 13, 2009 6:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zing!
So easy Marshawn Lynch can do it.
by thatguy34 on Oct 13, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TO is a FA at the end of the season, anyway. Where’s the idea that he has substantial trade value come from? Can’t imagine many teams giving up decent draft picks to get a player for half a season.
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by dzil on Oct 13, 2009 11:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You work out a new contract with the trade. Probably a couple more years after this one.
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by WhyBillsWhy on Oct 13, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
4th or 5th rounder in exchange for a playoff run seems well worth it.
I’m thinking about teams like Baltimore & Pittsburgh and maybe to a lesser extent Atlanta & Chicago. Only teams that are serious contenders who have established QBs and that need a decent 2nd receiver.
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by keysh67 on Oct 14, 2009 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get the whats so good about 4th and 5th round picks
People like Moss, Edwards who are great players in the league get traded for 4th and 5th round picks. I am sorry but after round 3 the chances of striking huge goes way down. Wouldn’t you rather have an elite Receiver in T.O than a 4th round pick? That guy probably won’t even make the team once he is drafted and will come no where near the player T.O is, so i don’t get the logic? I mean what did the Raiders get for Moss with that 4th rounder? A backup lineman, or a player thats not on the team? I don’t get trades in the NFL today and If people are that oblivious I would trade my 4th round for Boldin and steal him, just like the Jets stole Brayland Edwards from Cleveland.
by csc06258 on Oct 13, 2009 1:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Way to bring up the Raiders – I think that alone nullifies anything.
And honestly the Bills offense with TO is as electric if not worse then last year with out him.
If anything getting rid of TO might allow Lynch to get some more carries; and if we are going to lose I would rather see Lynch run some people over then see TE overthrow TO – or TO to drop a ball – IMHO.
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by Ghetts on Oct 13, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea Lynch is a beast I love him. Our offense should be based on the run than the pass, I agree, but we think we are the New England Patriots just because we have decent Wide Outs, but our problem is Trent is awful.
by csc06258 on Oct 13, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We may have comparible wide outs and rbs, but the lines are like night and day.
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by fansince83 on Oct 13, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The biggest reason is most people don’t think TO will resign with the Bills next year, and that our playoff hopes are over, so this way at least we can get something for him.
by TJJ on Oct 13, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well if no one wanted him in FA, who is going to want him for the money we are paying him? No team wanted him when he was a FA therefore its more than likely no team will want him now.
by csc06258 on Oct 13, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here’s the list of guys in their prime who were drafted in the fourth round (or first few picks of the fifth):
Alex Brown
David Thornton
Brian Williams
David Garrard
Randy McMichael
Jarvis Green
Larry Foote
Bradie James
Terrance McGee
Jarrett Johnson
Seneca Wallace
Jeremi Johnson
Asante Samuel
Ike Taylor
Robert Mathis
Shaun Philips
Jerrico Cotchery
Nathan Vasher
Will Allen
Jared Allen
Stacy Andrews
Antonio Smith
Gibril Wilson
Kyle Orton
Marion Barber
Brandon Jacobs
David Stewart
Kerry Rhodes
Jason Brown
Todd Herremans
Darren Sproles
Chris Canty
Ronald Fields
Owen Daniels
Jahri Evans
Stephen Tulloch
Leon Washington
Brandon Marshall
Barry Cofield
Elvis Dumervil
Ray Edwards
Kyle Williams
Parys Haralson
So those are the guys taken in about a 40 pick window between 2002 and 2006. You’ve basically got a 20-25% chance to get a player like that and better than a 10% chance to grab a really great player. If you don’t think that a 4th round pick has value, you’re not in a spot to be calling anybody oblivious.
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by kaisertown on Oct 13, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This year's draft could be quite loaded too
especially if a rookie pay scale is instituted for the 2011 draft class….
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by Kurupt on Oct 13, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Simple answer
(a) Our season is over and Trent is unable to throw the ball downfield, so TO is like a stripper, cute but useless.
(b) We picked up Shawn Nelson in the 4th
Remember, we just lost a game where the opponent’s offense completed 2-17 for 23y with 1 INT. What does that say about our offense?
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by keysh67 on Oct 14, 2009 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
T.O. has served his purpose
He enabled to Bills to sell more tickets and merchandise.
Other than that, the team is 1-4 with no offense and is going nowhere…..so what’s the big deal whether he finishes the season here or not? I wouldn’t miss him if he left. It would almost make more sense if they played some young guys who need experience to help us down the road.
by ccthemovieman on Oct 13, 2009 4:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
in more ways than we can imagine
Because now Trent had no excuses. With two top flight receivers he’s not able to move the ball so we now know that he is not the long term solution. Thank you TO
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by keysh67 on Oct 14, 2009 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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