Notes from the Bills' O-Line: Weeks 1-5
I've been pressed for time the past couple of weeks - and having my computer die on me didn't help matters - and thus this is our first breakdown of the Buffalo Bills' offensive line in quite some time. I did break down the Bills' loss to Miami and half of the loss to Cleveland. No, it wasn't that I couldn't stomach reviewing the rest of the game (after years of eating my own cooking, I have a stomach of steel!), but rather I wasn't smart enough to hit the record button at the start of the second half. D'oh!
Rather than do my usual spiel, I'll review how the linemen have done through what is essentially 4.5 games' worth of film. Also, I'll spend some time talking about the loss to Cleveland in particular.
The Browns game was one in which pretty much everyone - not just linemen--took turns screwing the pooch. Six offensive linemen drew penalties, never mind that there are only five offensive line positions. (Thanks, Kirk Chambers!) At least one lineman screwed up on runs 1, 2, 4, 9, 10, 11, 12 and 14. I only had 15 run plays to review, so on more than half of the running plays I saw, some lineman was doing something badly. It was only marginally better on pass plays, with screw-ups on passes 1, 5, 10, 11, 12, 14, 16, and 17... of the 18 pass plays in the first half, or just under half. Ugh. Would you be surprised to learn that only Jonathan Scott made it through the first half without a bad pass play? I sure was!
8 of 15 run plays in the first half were C gap runs, either left or right. The Bills only tested the A gap on three occasions - for 8 yards. Yeah, I know, it's not good, but it was nice to see Geoff Hangartner hang with Cleveland's mammoth nose tackle, Shaun Rogers. Along with the two runs each to the right B and left B gaps it was enough to keep the defense honest.
The Bills gave the tackles more help in the first half on passing downs. Demetrius Bell had help on passes 2 and 18, the help on 18 coming immediately after he had been cleanly beaten for a field goal attempt-killing sack. Scott was helped on plays 6, 10, and 17. While it's good that the Bills recognize the need to give the tackles some help, keeping three guys back to block while sending out only two receivers (pass 3) just isn't the answer either. Kind of hard for Trent Edwards to go downfield in that situation.
And then there were the penalties. Yes, they're young guys. So what? Even young guys can learn to move on the snap count. In their own stadium. With crickets in the background... only replaced by loud boos when the linemen kept making stupid penalties. There's just no excuse for the entire line to be so poorly disciplined.
Through 4.5 games, the Bills had 49 offensive drives, of which only six were successful - meaning they ended with touchdowns. The other 43 drives were killed as follows:
Trent Edwards: 10.5 killed drives
Demetrius Bell: 4.5
Terrell Owens: 4
Kirk Chambers: 3.5
Eric Wood: 3
Fred Jackson: 3
Halftime/End of game: 3
Geoff Hangartner: 2.5
Jonathan Scott: 2.5
Lee Evans: 2
Andy Levitre: 1
Seth McKinney: 1
Derek Fine: 1
Coaching decisions: 1
Josh Reed: 0.5
Leaving out coaching and halftime/end of game situations, here's how drives were killed by positional groups:
Offensive Line: 18
Quarterbacks: 10.5
Skill positions: 10.5
The line is really killing the team. Those five positions have killed almost as many drives as the guys who actually are responsible for handling the ball. I think we kind of knew this would happen, given the rookie guards and a fairly young guy playing center in the NFL for the first time. What's made it atrocious has been the play at the tackles. Unsurprisingly, the offensive line numbers seem to track right along with the line killing numbers.
| Demetrius Bell | ||
| 6 killed plays, 2 sacks allowed | ||
| Opponent | Run Grade | Pass Grade |
| @ NE | 78.2 | 71.1 |
| TB | 75.6 | 73.2 |
| NO | 77.1 | 72.6 |
| @ MIA | N/A | N/A |
| CLE | 75.0 | 73.9 |
| Overall | 76.4 | 72.6 |
| Andy Levitre | ||
| 5 killed plays, 0 sacks allowed | ||
| Opponent | Run Grade | Pass Grade |
| @ NE | 82.4 | 73.2 |
| TB | 77.4 | 73.3 |
| NO | 78.0 | 74.5 |
| @ MIA | 75.0 | 75.0 |
| CLE | 76.3 | 72.8 |
| Overall | 77.9 | 73.9 |
| Geoff Hangartner | ||
| 8 killed plays, 2 sacks allowed | ||
| Opponent | Run Grade | Pass Grade |
| @ NE | 75.0 | 73.2 |
| TB | 74.4 | 72.1 |
| NO | 73.0 | 74.0 |
| @ MIA | 73.9 | 73.8 |
| CLE | 76.3 | 71.7 |
| Overall | 74.4 | 73.1 |
| Eric Wood | ||
| 6 killed plays, 2 sacks allowed | ||
| Opponent | Run Grade | Pass Grade |
| @ NE | 73.9 | 73.8 |
| TB | 77.9 | 74.4 |
| NO | 80.0 | 73.1 |
| @ MIA | 73.7 | 73.8 |
| CLE | 73.7 | 71.7 |
| Overall | 76.4 | 73.5 |
| Jonathan Scott | ||
| 7 killed plays, 3.5 sacks allowed | ||
| Opponent | Run Grade | Pass Grade |
| @ NE | N/A | N/A |
| TB | 75.6 | 73.2 |
| NO | 73.0 | 73.1 |
| @ MIA | 75.0 | 70.8 |
| CLE | 72.3 | 75.0 |
| Overall | 74.4 | 72.9 |
I've said before that it's very hard to even get to 75 on pass plays in my grading system. Simply stopping a guy from reaching the QB isn't going to count as a good play, but rather as a decent one. Thus, the bad plays tend to effectively carry more weight, since there are few good plays (generally screens, though things like tossing a defensive lineman down and laying on them counts as good as well) to offset them. With that said, Bell and Scott are below the 73% mark - Scott mainly due to a terrible day playing left tackle in Miami, and Bell largely thanks to a dreadful day in Foxboro. Levitre, Hangartner and Wood all had letdowns against the Browns, which many of you likely noticed as Edwards was having to scramble away from even three-man rushes. Overall, however, their pass protection is decent.
Melvin Fowler and Duke Preston were abysmal in the run game, each in the 70% range. Hangartner has consistently been in the mid-70s. Amazingly, his two best games have come against some of the biggest and toughest DTs in the league. You've got to love a guy who rises to a challenge. Scott has been better than expected in the run game, coming in just behind Hangartner. Bell has been encouraging and currently has the second-highest run grade of the linemen. Levitre and Wood are both above 75%, which speaks well of their future potential.
On the subject of potential, I mentioned before that some of the coaching staff had Levitre as rated higher than Wood. So far Levitre has shown them to be astute judges of talent, at least in this specific case. He's currently got the highest grades for both run and pass plays.
As the chart below shows, the Bills have been running the ball around the ends and straight up the middle. Don't pay too much attention to the 6.5-yard average in the left B gap, as almost all of it came on one run by Jackson against the Bucs. Take out that one play, and it's more like a yard per attempt. Clearly, Buffalo has run the ball most effectively around the ends, but that doesn't mean the team should give up on pounding it up the middle. Something to remember is that Marshawn Lynch's running style is better suited to running up the middle than is Fred Jackson's.
| Gap | Att | Yds | Avg |
| Left C | 27 | 113 | 4.2 |
| Left B | 11 | 72 | 6.5 |
| A | 30 | 96 | 3.2 |
| Right B | 11 | 42 | 3.8 |
| Right C | 27 | 139 | 5.1 |
I don't track how many plays linemen pull, but I can tell you that Buffalo has had some good success with those plays this year. They certainly help account for some of the yardage being picked up on the outside. Something else that has really helped on outside runs has been the play of Shawn Nelson. He doesn't have great stats, but he's getting better and better at blocking. It also really helps that the tackles have killed just two run plays between them.
Through 4.5 games, Edwards has faced blitzes (I define those as five or more rushers) 54 times. He has picked up 363 yards (6.7 yards per blitz), 14 (25.9%) first downs and 3 touchdowns against those blitzes. He'd be doing quite a bit better were it not for an appalling 9 drops, 6 bad passes, and 1 batted ball. Think about that for a second: add the 15 mistakes the Bills have made against the blitz and the first down percentage goes to something like 54% and the yards per blitz would be around 13-15. The Bills have to stop shooting themselves in the foot soon - there can't be much left to hit anyway.
On the topic of hitting oneself in the head with a hammer because it feels so good when one stops, it's well past time for the Bills to put away the rollout pass to the tight end. Defenses aren't falling for it at all. Even when the pass is completed, it is for no gain. Which brings me to another sunny point: Buffalo needs to stop sending receivers on none-yard patterns. Why can't the TE at least go 3 or 5 yards downfield and be tackled immediately there instead of at the line of scrimmage? To my mind, that's a Turk Schonert issue.
It turns out that I had a little more time than I thought I would so here's the first half breakdown for the Browns game. (I'm adding this after Brian did a terrific job cleaning up my drivel so I hope it doesn't cause problems....)
Drive 1
Run 1 Lynch 11 yards through the right C gap
Run 2
Pass 1 sack -1 yards
Pass 2
The line easily handled the 3 man rush, particularly since
Blitzes: 0
Stacked box: 0
Drive killed by:
Drive 2
Run 3
Scott pulled to lead the play and buried a LB into the pile. Levitre turned out to keep 98 from chasing the play. Hang turned 92 away from the play but didn’t sustain his block. 92 chased down
Pass 3 Owens 18 yards against a 5 man blitz
Pass 4 Nelson incomplete
The entire offensive line blocked to the left as if it were a run while Edwards bootlegged to his right. The only problem was that defenses have seen this play far too many times to be fooled by it. 90 sat on the edge of the line and just watched Edwards—when he kept the ball 90 went after him, knowing that Nelson was going to be well covered. While Jauron has talked about running a few plays the offense executes well over and over the downside is that defenses look for those plays. Even if Nelson had made the reception it would have gone for no gain. Hey, AVP! Retire this friggin play!
Run 4
Pass 5 Owens 6 yards against a 5 man blitz
Blitzes: 2
Stacked box: 0
Drive killed by: play calling—the wasted down (rollout none-yard pattern to the TE) would have been better spent on a 2 yard plunge into the line….which would have extended the drive
Drive 3
Run 5 Lynch 4 yards through the right B gap
Pass 6 Owens 7 yards (rollout)
Run 6 Lynch 4 yards through the left C gap
Run 7 Lynch 4 yards through the A gap
3rd and 2, the line is taking it to the Browns defense and Levitre has a false start. Way to kill momentum, Andy.
Pass 7 INC to Reed against a 5 man blitz
Pass 8 Nelson INC
Blitzes: 1
Stacked box: 0
Drive killed by: Levitre’s stupid penalty—with two downs and two yards to go (before the penalty) you’ve got to believe Lynch would have gotten that first down.
Drive 4 (starting at the 1 yard line)
Run 8 QB sneak for 2 yards against an 8 man front through the A gap
The line generated a 2 yard push pretty much across the board. All things considered it was a pretty good effort given where the Bills began the possession.
Run 9
Pass 9 Nelson -1 yard
Blitzes: 0
Stacked box: 2
Drive killed by: Edwards locking in on the right side of the field
Drive 5
Pass 10 INC—almost a sack
Run 10 Lynch 12 yards through the right C gap
98 got inside of
Run 11 Lynch 2 yards through the left B gap
Pass 11 well overthrown INC—Edwards hit while throwing
Pass 12 scramble for 21 yards
Bell beat 95 to the corner. Levitre pitched into 95 when he tried to get inside of
Run 12 Lynch 2 yards through the left B gap against an 8 man front
Run 13 Owens reverse for 6 yards through the right B gap
Pass 13 INC—pass interference on the defense
The line provided a clean pocket and the defender clearly hit Reed a full second before the ball arrived. I wasn’t at all surprised to see one of the flag happy refs not throw his flag despite the blatant penalty on the Browns. The ref in question had turned and was clearly watching the play so there’s just no excuse for him not to have thrown his flag. Happily, another ref did.
Run 14 Lynch 2 yards through the right C gap
Scott had no one to block. 98 got inside of Levitre (again!) and made the tackle. Hang went to the 2nd level and popped 52, right next to Wood who popped 50. Scott got a 2 yard pop on 69. Fine kept 96 on the edge of the LOS. After the play 96 threw Fine down which somehow failed to draw a flag. Hmmmm. Who blocked Shaun Rogers? Stupar. Yes, Stupar.
Pass 14 Lynch 9 yards
With momentum and the ball at the Cleveland 17 Scott has a false start.
Run 15 Lynch -3 yards through the left C gap against an 8 man front
Pass 16 Screen to Lynch for 3 yards
Pass 17 sack for -8 yards against a 6 man blitz
Pass 18 INC—jump ball in the end zone
Blitzes: 1
Stacked box: 2
Drive killed by:
And that’s all I’ve got due to being too inept to hit ‘record’ at the start of the 2nd half. At first blush Wood did seem to do a better job of sustaining his blocks in the second half and Levitre wasn’t as susceptible to inside moves. The penalty flags, of course, continued to rain down on the Bills.
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Thanks for cleaning up the post, Brian
The boxes look way prettier than how I had them…
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
by Ron From NM on Oct 13, 2009 11:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
NP. Sorry I jumped the gun on you.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 13, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we keep drafting linemen for the next 2 years we might be onto something. The wood/levitre picks seem like they are going to work out.
Draft a tackle in 1 or 2 next year and we should be o.k. there. Also need to focus on d-lines but that doesn’t pertain to this discussion.
I think the interior can be solid for years – the rooks will learn a lot this year and hopefully be noticeably better next year. Hang looks like he can at least play football – which is good.
We might be just more experience (Bell) at tackle and one more player (RT) away from a good line. These guys will get better – i’m sure of it – only problem is they should have been taking linemen instead of Lynch/Whitner from the get go. however, that also is another conversation.
Great work as always – I don’t blame you what so ever for not doing the last few weeks. Breakdowns like this are very helpful for me as well. I really appreciate the work. rec’d (as always)
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Trent Edwards - Backup QB until furthur notice. Care to prove me wrong Trent?
by J2 on Oct 13, 2009 11:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Don’t forget we will have Brad Butler coming back next year to play RT. Or is he so injury-prone that we can’t depend on him?
What strikes me is the way Bell had a shaky start in the first half against the Browns, then started making one good play after the next with the glaring exception of the sack he gave up. The shaky start may well reflect the fact that he was coming back after an injury. I remain convinced that this line has a lot of talent. What they need is time to develop and also an end to the no-huddle so they can communicate with each other better.
In any event, thanks so much Ron for your terrific analysis (as usual).
by Macktruck on Oct 13, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
right – I like Butler – but clearly we cannot depend on him. I didn’t forget about him. But i’d like at least one dominant tackle – Bell might be that guy. season will tell – but taking another tackle high in the draft certainly won’t hurt us. obviously – I just want o and d linmen taken with our high picks for a few years. unless we get that elusive can’t miss QB
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Trent Edwards - Backup QB until furthur notice. Care to prove me wrong Trent?
by J2 on Oct 13, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need to draft a LT
and let him battle with Bell for the job. The other guy mans the RT spot. Then, there is the question of depth. Will Butler be happy with that job? If not, then we need to draft depth as well.
Great job Ron…rec’d
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by Joe P. on Oct 13, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who cares what Butler will be happy with? What team is going to count on him as a starter given his extensive injury history?
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
by Ron From NM on Oct 13, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OBD has a history of letting unhappy players leave. Why would Butler be any different?
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by Joe P. on Oct 13, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What’s to be unhappy about? I’m sure he’d rather play but being paid to be a reserve for the Bills is going to pay better than pretty much other gig that he’s likely to get.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
by Ron From NM on Oct 13, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe if he gets into a good conditioning program, he would be more durable????
Who ever thought Mike Gandy would get another job, let alone be the starting LT in the SB. Stranger things have happened.
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by Joe P. on Oct 13, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s been in conditioning programs for 4 years. I don’t see it as a silver bullet. Some guys are prone to getting hurt and Butler is one of those guys. It’s too bad because I really, really like how he plays when he’s healthy.
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by Ron From NM on Oct 14, 2009 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Emphasis on GOOD program. I don't know if that would help or not.
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by Joe P. on Oct 14, 2009 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don’t know that any amount of anything, aside from a titanium leg, would have prevented this one…
by quantumuprising on Oct 14, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed, but this is not Butler's first injury
I Billieve he had a bad back too?
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by Joe P. on Oct 14, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Butler missed his entire first season with a shoulder injury, if I recall correctly. Off the top of my head he missed about 2 games in his second season and 3 in his third. I don’t recall what those short term injuries were.
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by Ron From NM on Oct 14, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m a Butler Booster but he’s simply proven to be too fragile for Buffalo to count on. We never got a feel for how he’d do at tackle but he’d be a good reserve guard.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
by Ron From NM on Oct 13, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Draft linemen
I agree with that statement about drafting linemen. I was thinking about the draft last night and thought about the QBs and I have many, many doubts about every QB or potential QB in the draft. Drafting a QB is such a crap-shoot. I thought, the safest bet is to draft linemen. Rarely are linemen busts (insert low-blow about Big Mike Williams here). No matter where we end up drafting in the first round, I say grab the best available lineman (offensive or defensive).
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by willgarr15 on Oct 13, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just wondering – in the calculations for each lineman, are you including false starts? Since it’s usually impossible to tell whether it will be a run or pass play, it’s difficult to categorize them, unless it killed a drive of course.
Plus, the two that were on the 1-yard line (one on Chambers, one on Bell) moved the Bills back less than a yard – not terribly important. In fact, it let Edwards see how the defense was lined up and re-call the play… in theory, that could have been beneficial, but the following plays were a 2-yard QB plunge and an incomplete pass.
by Krenn on Oct 13, 2009 12:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Because the play never happened I don’t count false starts as bad plays for an offensive lineman. However, if the lineman commits a penalty (called or not) during the play I grade it as a bad play. There were, for example, a couple of uncalled holds in the Dolphins game that went in as bad plays for the lineman in question.
As to the importance of the calls, well, that gets to be subjective. For all we know Lee Evans’ false start could have been a long TD reception. Instead it’s just a five yard walkback and a play that might have been.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
by Ron From NM on Oct 13, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent work again Ron
You’ve taken what has seemed to me to be the football equivalent of puke and analyzed it into something we all can understand. I have not the patience, nor stomach, to re-watch the games this season and analyze it as you have. However, I think that your analysis has, IMO, confirmed my theory of the o-line and offense in general. That theory is, that although it looks awful at times, this team really does have potential. It shows me, and again I’m only drawing my own conclusions from your statistical analysis, that this team has the parts in place. Simple, and pain-stakingly repetitive, mistakes have de-railed our entire season. That shows me that it’s not the players so much as the coaches. It’s not the talent, but the mind-set. I think this whole line has talent, especially when you take drive-killer extraordinaire Scott out of the mix and replace him with Butler.
Also on a side note, it is good to see that Nelson is improving his blocking, perhaps the biggest question mark about him coming in.
"Potential just means you haven’t done sh## yet"
by willgarr15 on Oct 13, 2009 1:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Simple, and pain-stakingly repetitive, mistakes have de-railed our entire season. That shows me that it’s not the players so much as the coaches.
I couldn’t agree more.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
by Ron From NM on Oct 13, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great stuff… this is what I enjoy the most on the site.
Injuries have played a part, but the talk in the pre-season that the line would be better this year is looking pretty silly.
it’s well past time for the Bills to put away the rollout pass to the tight end. Defenses aren’t falling for it at all. Even when the pass is completed, it is for no gain.
I’m glad someone else noticed this. Not only do they not fall for it, there’s heavy pressure on it as well.
Which brings me to another sunny point: Buffalo needs to stop sending receivers on none-yard patterns.
Not only that, but exceptionally short patterns that run parallel with the line of scrimmage. Even when it’s complete its stopped for no additional yards.
Right now Edwards is only throwing long passes down the sideline when there’s single coverage and passes within 5 yards of the LOS. They can’t even do a simple 10 yard out.
by Pistol on Oct 13, 2009 1:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Considering that the last time I saw Trent Edwards through a 10 yard out it turned into a pick-6 for the Dolphins maybe it isn’t such a bad thing that he’s not throwing them.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
by Ron From NM on Oct 13, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One Eyed Trent
IMO Trent does not have any confidence in his offensive line. He is playing like he has one eye on the line and the other on the receivers instead of both eyes on the receivers. This team is going nowhere until the problems with the line are corrected. Jauron should consider fining his offensive line every time they are guilty of a false start.
by penance on Oct 13, 2009 1:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good idea..
but I don’t think rules allow fining for on field results…. But, it could be something instituted by the players on themselves (a sort of competition), or possibly the team captains…
by Cinga on Oct 13, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pump up the passes
I know Trent’s been short on time, but how about some pump fakes? These DBs are just sitting on routes waiting to jump them. Give them an excuse to jump them with a pump fake, then take advantage of it. I know it takes time to pump fake and then reload and throw, but Trent NEEDS to do this from time to time to keep the DBs honest.
by Denver's Buffalo Fan on Oct 13, 2009 8:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great, now Denver only has one fan left. Will the bad news never end?
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by bluecollarbuffalo on Oct 13, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bills should have watched the Sabres
Beat Detroit 6-2 with an attacking offense, and only 3 penalties. It would be awesome if the Bills could play that style.
Why do today, when it can wait til tomorrow; the games on!
by UtahBillsFan on Oct 13, 2009 9:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It would be best if your offensive line could club blitzers w/ their hockey sticks.
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by bluecollarbuffalo on Oct 13, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would have made last week more interesting to watch.
Why do today, when it can wait til tomorrow; the games on!
by UtahBillsFan on Oct 13, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’ll want Die By The Blade for that discussion. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 13, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know, just tryin to brighten the mood :)
Why do today, when it can wait til tomorrow; the games on!
by UtahBillsFan on Oct 13, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read somewhere that they had scored 4 goals in their first 3 games….That’s very Bills like.
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by Kurupt on Oct 13, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But the "D" only gave up 3, not so Bills like.
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by UtahBillsFan on Oct 13, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The penalties are hard to explain. For most of the Jauron era the penalties have been fairly minimal. Of course, for most of the Jauron era the line was experienced if not competent.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
by Ron From NM on Oct 13, 2009 10:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think I could say that last year's O-Line was anything near competent...
and they were mostly experienced at being totally inept.
by NorCal BillsFan on Oct 14, 2009 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Individually, they weren’t as bad as people like to make out—except at center. Center was epically bad. Dock was okay, just not worth his contract. Walker was doing a reasonable job at RT and then in the offseason apparently completely lost his desire to play. Peters was getting back to being an above average (but not elite) LT. Butler was our best lineman, just injury riddled.
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