Bills sign LB Draft, S Johnson
With multiple season-ending linebacker injuries on Sunday, the Bills brought in seven of them from tryouts on Tuesday.
LB Chris Draft was signed. So was S Todd Johnson. Both spent time with the St. Louis Rams in 2008. They replace linebackers Kawika Mitchell and Marcus Buggs on the active roster.
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I assume Todd Johnson was signed to replace Nic Harris at safety?
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by dzil on Oct 13, 2009 6:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That would be my guess as well. Probably to ease the ST burden of Palmer and Harris too.
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by kaisertown on Oct 14, 2009 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Draft was a starter in St. Louis and was cut at the start of the season because
they asked him to take a salary cut from his 1.1 mil a year to $750k a year (league minimum for a vet player with his years of experience) He offered where he took pay cuts in the past and thought the team could look elsewhere for the money. They said no they needed him to take a cut. He was then released in a surprise move right before the season started.
He is a stand-up guy with good leadership experience. Not the biggest guy in the world, but plays with his experience and smarts to get ahead. Certainly he would be a good back up and eventually could be starting in a few weeks.
Bills problems at LB will continue through the season and off-season because Mitchell (like Digorgio) will need surgery and more than a year’s recovery time. I believe he won’t play effectively again for this organization. Hence we have very little experience or star talent at any of our LB spots. Poz possibly but hasn’t done enough to keep himself healthy to be a difference maker on the field.
Too bad the Bills fooled around with free agency and could only sign Pat Thomas. He was such a bad signing for us that he couldn’t even make it on the team a second time with this past workout. We should of had Pisa Tinoisiamoa who went to the Bears. This guy has experience at both the strong-side and MLB spots. Why we couldn’t have bucked up more for him outside of the Bears is beyond me and a true indication where OBD is trying to get guys “cheap”. I know that Pisa said that he’d rather have gone to a team where he had to earn his starting LB spot rather than give it to him what Buffalo was going to be doing. I think that is “Bull” and just another way of saying I didn’t get paid enough.
by dabillsr1 on Oct 13, 2009 6:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Totally agreed
I figured we needed 2-3 quality LB’s this offseason, before the Mitchell injury. That remains the same now. What a pathetic position this was for the Bills this year and recently…
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by Kurupt on Oct 13, 2009 9:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
We have a quality BACKUP in Ellison!
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by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 13, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pisa's been out
since the first play of the first game. We would have been just as frustrated.
by Ono on Oct 13, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t say mitchell’s injury will require a full year – some knees respond better than others. he could be back in 7-8 months.
but that’s just speculation.
by quantumuprising on Oct 14, 2009 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome!
Yes, We got some players from the Rams… What a great organization. They can instill a winning attitude around here. And, they are probably very good, since they couldn’t make the Rams roster. You know what a wealth of talent their roster consists of!
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by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 13, 2009 8:15 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
imperative that new acquisitions fit in with our existing talent at the LB position. wouldn’t want someone coming in here and making our guys look bad. Draft should fit right in.
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by dzil on Oct 13, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1+
Yeah, if you can’t cut it with the Rams, how bad can you be? The pickings must be really slim, at this point.
by ccthemovieman on Oct 13, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wes Welker came off a 6-10 Dolphins team and went to the Patriots, right? That logic is so flawed. Wouldn’t teams that are poor in judging personnel be OK places to sign guys?
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 13, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Speaking of flawed judgement
That comparison isn’t even close Matt…
The Patriots salivated over the chance to get Walker, having to provide him a deal with the poison pill clause to pry him away from the Dolphins.
We are talking about someone that is a street FA and wasn’t even able to get a contract from the Rams… I mean come on!
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by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 13, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I totally agree
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by Kurupt on Oct 13, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which one? Draft was not a street free agent. He was released by the Rams on the last day os July because he wouldn’t take a pay cut. HE started for them last year with Jim Haslett as his DC.
And sure the comparison is fine. A guy is on a crappy team therefore he sucks? How is that even logical? Do crappy teams have only crappy players? Randy Moss played like garbage when he was on a garbage team. He goes to the Pats and becomes a superstar again.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 14, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Bills signed Draft after week 5
That defines “street free agent”.
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by Kurupt on Oct 15, 2009 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh you meant the Bills. Got ya. When I hear street free agent it’s guy who has been out of football for a while. Draft was in training camp and refused a pay cut. I just think of him as a free agent like Walker was, etc. You’re right though.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 15, 2009 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you guys beat me to it. NE gave up 2nd and 7th round picks for RFA Welker. Draft and Johnson are street FA’s from the lowly Rams. Not even remotely comparable.
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by dzil on Oct 13, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey and before Matt or Brian ask. the answer is YES, I will take exception to basically ANY move the Bills make that does not involve relenquishing Dick Jauron of his coaching responsibilities… Anything else is irrelevant at this juncture.
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by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 13, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I gotta believe these awesome acquisitions are intended to lure a premier head coach to Buffalo. who could resist working with such a talented cast of characters. Maybe it’s Jauron’s job security strategy.
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by dzil on Oct 13, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So if it’s irrelevant, why take exception?
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 14, 2009 6:44 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Because it is a move that doesn’t involve removing Dick Jauron or hiring a real GM. So unless they (OBD) make a stellar move (i.e. bring in Johnson from KC), than I will point out the obvious. I think most of us are fed up by this bandaiding.
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by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 14, 2009 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on
What else are they supposed to do in this situation but band aid?! They still have 11 games to play…Let’s face facts here. They need bodies in order to play those games…They are not going to get any name players at this point…
I think if you’re going to get bent out of shape with every little move they make the rest of this season and until Dick is removed you had better get your Rolaids ready…It’s going to be a rough couple of months for your stomach.
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by DBLuv on Oct 14, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, but firing Jauron at this point is a band-aid, too. Would you have been happier with April/Draft/Johnson as opposed to Jauron/Draft/Johnson? Because either way, we’re screwed.
Signings like this happen all the time – with good teams and bad. I think it’s pretty pointless to get all pissy when this particular bit of news had pretty much nothing to do with our current head coaching situation. If you follow that logic, you’ll be posting the same damn thing on every thread here, which isn’t exactly productive or interesting.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if it wasn’t apparent the Bills threw in the towel before, it is now.
by thejimbo on Oct 13, 2009 8:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I know right. God. Why can’t the Bills sign Junior Seau? WTF? /sarcasm
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 13, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't knock Draft yet...
It’s quite possible he ends up in the middle allowing Poz to fill outside.. That was his position once upon a time in Atlanta, which let Brookings move out to his own “natural” outside..
Regardless, he gives us veteran depth if nothing else at both….
by Cinga on Oct 13, 2009 8:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is the problem… We need QUALITY backups, if that wasn’t evident this year. If Draft was a quality player, he wouldn’t be a free agent one-quarter of the way through the season…
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by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 13, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When the Rams cut you over 250K, I don’t think it is a good sign……hopefully I’m wrong. I’ve been saying that a lot lately.
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by bluecollarbuffalo on Oct 13, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Draft was a quality player, he wouldn’t be a free agent one-quarter of the way through the season…
Exactly! At this point in the year who do you expect them to be signing?
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 13, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah this is John Guy at his finest hour...
Guy: “Dick, I brought in all the scrubs that were left in free agency. Why don’t you and Matt Sheldon do your thing and make them pro-bowlers so we don’t get run on 200+ yards a week”
Jauron: “Gee thanks John, I know that you explore every cheap option throughout the off-season only to sign no one with any significance or playmaking abilities, so I am confident that these guys add to our no-name defense so I can take all the heat week to week”
by dabillsr1 on Oct 13, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t expect them to sign anyone good, because it is irrelevant at this point. But they could make a trade for a young guy that could be decent, like Johnson from the Chiefs.
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by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 13, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What make you think the Chiefs are going to give away Johnson?
Or do you want OBD to overpay for a guy who isn’t going to solve the biggest problem we have, which is the Oline. Face it….the season is lost. It really doesn’t matter who they sign. Why rip them for signing one of the better FA LBs currently available?
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by Joe P. on Oct 13, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chiefs running game is pathetic, maybe they could use Flash McIntyre. Send Roscoe, too.
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by dzil on Oct 13, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would McIntyre improve the Chiefs running game?
We have been trying to trade Roscoe since April.
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by Joe P. on Oct 13, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Chiefs running game would improve
if they stopped giving the ball to Larry Johnson. They’d be wise to start giving Jamaal Charless 15+ carries a game. That guy is a better player right now.
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by Kurupt on Oct 14, 2009 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i though my remark was obviously facetious. apparently not.
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by dzil on Oct 14, 2009 7:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was 50/50 on that.....figured you would let us know :-)
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by Joe P. on Oct 14, 2009 7:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
was hoping the Flash part was a dead give-away. KC could always use McIntyre in the Wildcat to run a naked bootleg.
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by dzil on Oct 14, 2009 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I couldn’t disagree more on the Johnson thing. Just because it’s not our biggest problem doesn’t mean we shouldn’t solve it. I’m not saying overpay, but definitely look at it hard.
I’m also not against bringing in Draft. I’m not against bringing in anybody at this point.
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by WhyBillsWhy on Oct 14, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am fine with looking at it, but don't want the Bills to make a bad deal thinking they are a LB away from turning this ship around
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by Joe P. on Oct 14, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m pretty sure nobody on the planet is under that illusion.
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by WhyBillsWhy on Oct 14, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea i would love johnson, but this FO is totally not committed to winning and that would be a step in the right direction
by csc06258 on Oct 14, 2009 3:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ease up guys!
Draft was a quality player for several years in Carolina before he signed as a FA with the Rams a couple years ago. He has experience at all 3 LB positions and is a very intelligent football player. We’re down to bare bones because 3 of our top 5 LB’s are out. Todd Johnson is ho-hum, but it’s not like there’s all that much in the way of impact talent in the “off the street” FA category. They’re familiar with the our scheme and I can’t imagine Johnson is anything more than a special teams/depth until Whitner and Scott get back.
by live6453 on Oct 13, 2009 9:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Atlanta, not Carolina, right?
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by WhyBillsWhy on Oct 14, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anybody have the phone number to reserve Superbowl tickets
I want to beat the rush that happens anytime we sign somebody. Oh wait, too soon?
Why do today, when it can wait til tomorrow; the games on!
by UtahBillsFan on Oct 13, 2009 9:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm a bit confused by the signing of a safety
Why wasn’t this done immediately after the Whitner and Scott injuries? What’s the point now? Both should be back relatively soon. Unless the team had Harris solely at SS during this time, and now he’s back to OLB, it’s a bit odd.
Then again, they never hesitate to add DB’s when possible…
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by Kurupt on Oct 13, 2009 9:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They did, indeed, have Harris solely at SS. That’s why Corto went in ahead of him against Cleveland.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 13, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then why did they do this 2 weeks later?
Typical Bills move, a few weeks later than it should have been.
What was the point, really, of taking reps away from Harris at OLB (his pro position) to make him an emergency backup SS instead of just signing a safety to fill-in? I guess Justin Jenkins and Corey McIntyre are too important to our amazing ST’s units….
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by Kurupt on Oct 13, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roster spots maybe?
They didn’t have a roster spot before the double trouble with LBs.
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by patamunzo on Oct 14, 2009 7:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re right. The only reason I can think of is they thought Whitner would be back sooner. It’s the only one that makes any sense.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 14, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But they knew he was having surgery...
and then when he had it, you’d think they’d have made a move….
I just can’t wait for the day we have a proactive front office and coaching staff. How refreshing that could be!
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by Kurupt on Oct 15, 2009 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OH NOES! WHY DIDN’T WE SIGN ALL-PROS?
/sarcasm
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Oct 13, 2009 11:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Junior Seau making a comeback with the Pats.
Derrick brooks probably would have more of a difference as a stopgap for us than Chris Draft, he just would have cost more.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
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I Remember now.
Cost is a dirty 4 letter word for Mr. Wilson.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 14, 2009 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not true. Brooks isn’t signed with anybody for a reason. Besides why would Brooks want to come to a sinking ship anyways?
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 14, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know, I’m not saddened by these two moves, but I’m left feeling like there was more to be had, that there was something else we could have done. That’s the main thought I’m left with. Draft and Johnson are just “guys”. They’re just guys. Not that we could have reeled in a true replacement for Kawika at this point in the season, but I’m a little disappointed we didn’t make a move to get someone at least a little bit better. :(
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by Dyl on Oct 14, 2009 12:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
so we lose 2 LBs ...
and we sign a Safety and an LB?
Color me confused.
And regarding Seau, it kills me when some who post on this blog think Brooks is washed up and yet a team sign Seau who is 4-5 years older has more wear and tear on him but is still valued by a winning organization.
But hey, we have the fundamentally sound Keith Ellison and we can pick up practice squad guys from losing teams better than any other franchise!!!! Playoffs here we come!!!!
by sabre74kkn on Oct 14, 2009 1:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
again, the signing of a Safety was done in order to allow Nic Harris to move into a backup LB position. He had been pegged as backup SS after injuries there.
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by dzil on Oct 14, 2009 7:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This guys response was great.
murtorious says:
October 13, 2009 10:45 PM
tell me Draft plays some OT too.
any rumors if we are ever going to sign a damn OT?I guess it makes no sense because they would have to learn our complex hi-octane offense, and might have multiple false start penalties during home games as a result.
by kgun201 on Oct 14, 2009 1:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i'll add
he’d have to be physically fit enough to operate in the no-huddle, despite the fact that our no huddle is a hurry-up offense. =)
by kgun201 on Oct 14, 2009 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
think you meant is not a hurry up.
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by dzil on Oct 14, 2009 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Think you meant the No Yardage offense :-)
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by Joe P. on Oct 14, 2009 7:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait, wait, wait
So we’re in desperate need of depth so we go to 2 guys that weren’t good enough for the St. Louis Rams? Am I the only one that sees something wrong with this? Let’s grab players from the only team that might be worse than we are right now…. that were cut from that team! Haha.
And why do we insist on making Safeties into Linebackers?
by nateinrochester on Oct 14, 2009 8:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There’s nobody left! Nobody! Who are they gonna sign? Brooks? He’s so old they should just warm up another IR spot. The best we could hope for is a trade with some team that has an excess of LB talent, but we’d probably get molested on that deal because we didn’t have enough depth to begin with.
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by WhyBillsWhy on Oct 14, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if Brooks is so old ...
what does that make Seau? Ancient?
by sabre74kkn on Oct 14, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. Seau is the exception, not the rule. Plus he’s worked with the Pats before. Plus, there are fewer demands on him with the Pats’ 3-4 scheme than there would be on Brooks in the Bills’ 4-3.
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by WhyBillsWhy on Oct 14, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Derrick Brooks?
What in God’s name is the problem w/ signing Brooks? He obviously has plenty of experience in our system and was always a quality player w/ good character. Does he have some ailment/injury that we don’t know about? If that’s not the case, WHY, WHY, WHY, didn’t they look him over back when Poz went down? Is it the almighty dollar AGAIN?
Now we are hurting in the LB corp badly and this is the solution?
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by Pocono Bob on Oct 14, 2009 9:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What’s the point? Other than if they feel he is a veteran that would come in and help some of the young guys, which I don’t know is the case. Futhermore, he probably wants at least a 2-year contract. I am not on board with passing these out for older guys right now… Misewell save the money and invest it in a sub-30 year old next year. That mentality is probably the only thing I agree with OBD on… Get guys younger than 30 years old, although at some point, you need to fill out your roster (backups, etc.) with quality veterans.
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by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 14, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good point ... of course that's assuming...
The Bills actually sign or trade for good players in their prime (i.e., under 30 as you said) that are available, which they don’t do. They go after undrafted free agents, waiver wire pickups, fringe special teams guys, 3rd and 4th stringers on other teams, or my favorite, practice squad pickups.
Again, I have little faith in the front office actually making sound personnel decisions.
by sabre74kkn on Oct 14, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again, I have little faith in the front office actually making sound personnel decisions.
I don’t think anyone on here does.
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by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 14, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They go after undrafted free agents, waiver wire pickups, fringe special teams guys, 3rd and 4th stringers on other teams, or my favorite, practice squad pickups.
They go after those guys in season when they are the only ones left. This offseason we brought in Drayton Florence, Terrell Owens, Dominic Rhodes, plus those depth guys you are talking about. Last offseason it was Mitchell. They aren’t bringing in just scrubs. They bring in free agents. Free agency isn’t the way to build a team for the long haul, though. Drafting is.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 14, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry but this signing is not a good one.
I know that the waver wires are slim, but the team should have looked deeper. A 10 year vet at LB? Another Stanford guy who was cut by the Rams?
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