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PFT: Bills to drop no-huddle attack

Mike Florio at ProFootballTalk.com, citing a league source, reports that the Buffalo Bills have decided to move away from the no-huddle offense.  Installed during May mini-camps and the brain child of much-maligned head coach Dick Jauron, the no-huddle has yet to provide a discernible boost to a Bills offense that, some might argue, has regressed from its abysmal close to the 2008 season.

Buffalo's offense currently ranks No. 25 in the NFL, averaging 290 yards per game.  Through five games, however, Buffalo's offense has generated a measly 56 points, with just 13 of those coming throughout the Bills' last three brutal losses.  Trent Edwards has struggled immensely; the offense as a whole has lacked rhythm; and new offensive coordinator Alex Van Pelt has not proven himself to be much more reliable than his predecessor, Turk Schonert.  Schonert, if you recall, was fired ten days prior to the Bills' season opener.

WGR 550 mentions in their coverage of Florio's report that Jauron, in addressing the media Wednesday, discussed the need to put Edwards "in the best position to succeed."  Undeniably, Edwards has looked uncomfortable of late, but he has not exhibited any outward signs of communication issues within the no-huddle offense pre-snap.  What Edwards does need, however, is an offense that's on the same page - and his line has not been getting the memos.  Six offensive linemen were flagged for penalties in Buffalo's most recent loss, and the team committed nine false starts.  Those issues halted what little momentum the offense did garner in the game, and forced Edwards into bad situations.

Perhaps the thought process behind the decision is to try to eliminate some of the mistakes the young offensive line is making.  It seems to be the most likely rationale.  If the report is accurate, we're likely going to see Buffalo operating from a huddle Sunday in New Jersey.  Considering the fact that Jamon Meredith is likely to make his first NFL start at right tackle in the event that Jonathan Scott can't play, it can't hurt.  But it probably won't help, either.

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Youre last line pretty much sums this up

Considering the fact that Jamon Meredith is likely to make his first NFL start at right tackle in the event that Jonathan Scott can’t play, it can’t hurt. But it probably won’t help, either.

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by Ghetts on Oct 14, 2009 7:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Now T.O. gets to yell at Trent on the field…. :-)

It’s a good idea with the line penalties that have been going on. Let’s see if it leads to more burned timeouts or delay of game calls.

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 14, 2009 7:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

might help reduce the false starts, but that’s about all it will do. That offense hasn’t been a true “no huddle” anyway, it’s more of a “loose huddle”.

most of my posts get deleted :(

by dzil on Oct 14, 2009 7:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I call it a “muddle.”

by jpheff on Oct 15, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

NO MORE NO HUDDLE? QUICK SIGN LANGSTON WALKER BA…………

oops.

by quantumuprising on Oct 14, 2009 7:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

think he might be a Raider now.

most of my posts get deleted :(

by dzil on Oct 14, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t really see how this helps offensive line penalty issues. Do they get an extra reminder in the huddle?

“X right, 25 z black double fox. and remember guys, you don’t move until i yell hike.”

by quantumuprising on Oct 14, 2009 7:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

LOL!!!! You may have found your sig :-)
"X right, 25 z black double fox. and remember guys, you don’t move until i yell hike."

Poor ball security leads to very painful outcomes

by Joe P. on Oct 14, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ahhhhhhhhhhh you made me give in.

"X right, 25 z blast double fox. and remember guys, you don’t move until i yell hike." -Trent Edwards, improving offensive line penalties since 2009.

by quantumuprising on Oct 14, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Welcome to the club :-)

Poor ball security leads to very painful outcomes

by Joe P. on Oct 14, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Quoting yourself in your signature….what has the world come to?

Quoting yourself in your signature....what has the world come to?

by bluecollarbuffalo on Oct 14, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is the T.O. effect :-)

Poor ball security leads to very painful outcomes

by Joe P. on Oct 14, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe

it means they’re closer to putting Fitz on the field

most of my posts get deleted :(

by dzil on Oct 14, 2009 7:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Does that put Trent in the position to win?

At this point, who knows

Good Luck With Your Firings Mr. Wilson….Go Bills!

by killascript on Oct 14, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

whatever

it can’t get worse and the no-huddle has not made them better. Gimmicks are not how you win football games. When your offense shows prowess, like the 88 Bills, then you can build upon that utilizing the skill set of our QB and the rest of the team (see Bills 89-93 with K-Gun/No huddle). You don’t just install no-huddles on a crappy offense. Lesson learned, time to move on

Good Luck With Your Firings Mr. Wilson….Go Bills!

by killascript on Oct 14, 2009 7:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Guys – the Walker release was only partially due to the no-huddle. As I reported when the release happened, the staff believes he’s regressed completely. That’s skill-wise, not breath-wise. Yes, the no-huddle was mentioned as part of the rationale behind the release, but it was not the biggest factor.

Basically, the decision to deem the release dumb or not shouldn’t ride solely on this later decision.

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by Brian Galliford on Oct 14, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha i was just making a joke. however, no matter what the problem, langston walker does look a lot better at RT than meredith, no?

"X right, 25 z blast double fox. and remember guys, you don’t move until i yell hike." -Trent Edwards, improving offensive line penalties since 2009.

by quantumuprising on Oct 14, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why would Walker majically regress?

could it be because he was forced to play LT when most people here realized that he lacked the skill set to be a LT? Walker and Butler were the strength of the Bills Oline in 2008. Walker should have been kept for depth, then moved back to RT when Butler went down….not released.

Poor ball security leads to very painful outcomes

by Joe P. on Oct 14, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There you go. Much better :)

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by Brian Galliford on Oct 14, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ummm… Cause Walker can’t be a LT!!!!! Got to use that line one more time!!!

"You play to win the game, you don't play to just play it" - Herm Edwards

by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 14, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But the question Joe raises is an important one. If the coaching staff believed that Walker had regressed completely, surely more was involved than the switch to LT. He apparently went from being a well above average o-lineman last year to one who was completely useless this year. That seems to be the pattern for so many Bills players on the line — they somehow regress completely. One thinks of Peters, Dockery, Mel Fowler (who was thought of as a decent though not great Center before he spent time in Buffalo. Which makes one wonder: is it the players, or the coaching that they are getting?

Just asking.

by Macktruck on Oct 15, 2009 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly - we'd have solid tackles now!

They are hard to play but not hard to beat.
- Mike Lombardi on the Buffalo Bills

by Sluss88 on Oct 15, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I find that no matter what the decision was to release Walker, it was a dumb one.

You can only cheap out for so long in this league, and cheaping out at HC might be what’s set this franchise back into the early days of television.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 14, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s fine. Have whatever opinion you want on Walker; I certainly wasn’t trying to change anyone’s opinion. Just making sure the facts are straight.

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by Brian Galliford on Oct 15, 2009 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

unfortunately Brian

the logic simply doesnt fit. It still can not be considered a smart move to have released Walker as I’m fairly confident we can all agree that a regressed Walker is still preferable to Jarmon Meredith and Jon Scott. I will say that I am excited to see if Meredith can be a diamond in the rough for us.

We got your back Leodis!

by poz on Oct 15, 2009 4:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But no team is going to keep a 5M backup tackle when he’s the fourth best tackle on your team. He was behind Bell and Butler at least. It doesn’t make financial sense to do it – to Jerry Jones or Ralph Wilson.

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 15, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

true

but its not like we’re going to use the money we saved by cutting walker.

The no huddle is gone, please sign tackles Runyan, Jones or Walker

by poz on Oct 16, 2009 5:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn’t say it would but it doesn’t make sense for the bottom line to have a 5M backup – for any team not just the supposedly cheap Ralph Wilson.

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 16, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The no huddle was interesting in theory, but the reasons for doing it (wearing out opponents, limiting subs, forcing the D to be simpler) didn’t materialize, I think mostly because the snaps were just so slow. They might as well have been huddling at the pace they were going at.

by Pistol on Oct 14, 2009 7:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Relevance

As you stated our team can’t get worse, but most likely switching out of the no huddle will not make them better… So again this is moderately irrelevant news.

"You play to win the game, you don't play to just play it" - Herm Edwards

by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 14, 2009 8:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

About time

Seems like another move made a week too late…

This isn’t likely to do much to change anything though. Trent is too indecisive, hesitant and broken.

I think one of the major factors in the numerous false starts we had is that the lineman not only had to get the cadence quickly and at a distance from the QB (maybe its tougher to catch the exact call), but also that they were usually set quickly meaning they couldn’t move until the snap. A lack of focus there results in the false starts.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Oct 14, 2009 9:21 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

anyone think we’ll ever see the pre-concussion Trent again?

most of my posts get deleted :(

by dzil on Oct 14, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe he needs to get another concussion to snap him out of it and the coaching staff put this O-line together hoping he’d get that hit that knocked the stupid out of him.

"Next time I get the opportunity I am going to hold on and make a better decision." ~ Leodis McKelvin. (Can't ask for anythitng more than that)

by NolaBillsFan on Oct 14, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kind of like getting your eyes un-crossed?

“Yup, she got kicked by a horse, eyes go crossed. She fell in a hole, and they go uncrossed, it’s the damndest thing Clark!”

They are hard to play but not hard to beat.
- Mike Lombardi on the Buffalo Bills

by Sluss88 on Oct 15, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kind of reminds me of the Simpsons episode

where it was discovered Homer had a crayon lodged in his nose making him dumb all along. After having it removed, his IQ doubled and his relationship with Lisa was much better, but he wasn’t the same Homer. In the end, he had Moe stick another crayon up his nose to return him to normal. Maybe Trent needs a crayon up the nose?

Scientist: “We could perform a surgery and remove the crayon from your brain. It could vastly increase your brain power. Or it could possibly kill you.”

Homer: “hmmm, Increase my killing power, eh??”

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Oct 15, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It wasnt even that good

Especially based on the competition…

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Oct 14, 2009 9:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I don't believe it's the concussion

he has no rhythm with the receivers and is playing scared. He needs to abandon all fear and get reckless with his throws, he has the tools to make stuff happen. NFL quarterbacks need to throw where the receiver will be open, not when he’s open, Trent is playing a different game… his mind is not in the pro game.

Defend the Herd

by TatonkaDonk on Oct 14, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok

so, if not the concussion, what

do
you attribute his “mind not in the pro game” to?

most of my posts get deleted :(

by dzil on Oct 15, 2009 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

do

most of my posts get deleted :(

by dzil on Oct 15, 2009 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He had a great game against the Chargers and another good one against the Broncos after his concussion.

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 15, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What a track record!

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Oct 15, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was merely saying it was just as good before the concussion as it was after it. You know that.

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 15, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who knows, really. After reading that New Yorker (I think) article, I wonder just how much damage was done by the concuss.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 14, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did anyone notice

that on the picture with this story Edwards foot is tangled with Hangartner’s. I’m convinced nothing we do will help, none of the players respect Dick, he has lost the team.

Defend the Herd

by TatonkaDonk on Oct 14, 2009 10:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Based on what?

The team has spoken out, with several players specifically stating that Jauron isn’t the problem—they are. That doesn’t happen on teams who have turned on the coach.

Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner

by Ron From NM on Oct 14, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actions speak louder than words

They play like a team who’d rather be somewhere else. They aren’t willing to bleed for this guy. They can see the mistakes and lack of discipline, feel helpless, and lose intererst in the game, they define uninspired play. Inspiring the team is the coaches job, so he’s failed to do that too. I stand by my original statement – he’s lost this team.

Defend the Herd

by TatonkaDonk on Oct 14, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Preach on brother!

Rrrawrrrr, rrrawrrr like a dungeon dragon-Busta Ryhmes

by Moe_frm_B_ on Oct 15, 2009 5:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

… what?

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by Brian Galliford on Oct 15, 2009 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They are playing footsie?!?!?! Those bastards.

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 15, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fessing Up

This is now twice and counting that Jauron has basically realized all-to-late that one of his decisions may be leading to the lack of production on offense.

Obviously keeping Schonert last season was example number 1.

Now he is doing a 180 on the no-huddle, and while I again give him props for being able to adapt, he’s once again done it a little too late.

I realize you had to experiment and see how it went, but that’s what pre-season is for and the results were less than spectacular. He should have realized then that with all of the youth on this offense, ‘maybe’ the no-huddle wouldn’t be the best idea to proceed with.

Amazing. I personally think Dick Jauron has shot himself in the foot too many times already, but Ralph has apparently a much bigger threshold of pain than most of us do.

I’ll leave it at that.

by kgun201 on Oct 15, 2009 1:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

a sign

of a good leader. Jauron is thinking, making changes and trying everything in his power to turn this around. Unfortunately, for him and the staff, it is the front office and Jauron’s personnel decisions along with lack of offensive burst that will be his demise. I give him great credit for switching, but now it seems like he is “fishing” for answers. If this somehow leads to a win on Sunday though, it will all be worth it,

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by MARVelous on Oct 15, 2009 1:48 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

In my opinion

if we had scrapped the no huddle after week 2 we would have won the Saints game and then subsequently the Browns game, leaving us at 3-2. The Saints won for two reasons, we couldn’t put up points to take advantage of great defensive play and the no huddle was so disorganized and penatly ridden we eventually caused or defense to break by never giving them a break. A huddle offense could have fixed both of those.

We got your back Leodis!

by poz on Oct 15, 2009 4:39 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't feel good about this move because it seems like abjectly giving up

But, giving up on turning lead into gold goes to progress, not failure. Honestly I don’t think the line or Trent are going to play any better, huddling or not. As some have said, how much can the no-huddle honestly be blamed for the false starts? Does a lineman being in a huddle have much to do with them knowing the snap count?

Mmmph rrgh prrmf! - someone with his mouth gagged

by Dyl on Oct 15, 2009 8:22 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

that's why I am impressed

Jauron is giving up, on a stubborn idea that was not working. That’s a positive.

by kgun201 on Oct 15, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was a good idea

for the personel we have. Just not good for the coaching we have.

"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-

by billsoferie on Oct 15, 2009 8:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Checking down - illegal procedures

With Edwards now known throughout the league for checking down so much, I wonder if that contributes to so many illegal procedures against the Browns – 8. Don’t want to confuse an inexperienced line too much.

by BuffaloWhiner on Oct 15, 2009 9:10 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I like saying “shuffling around the deck chairs on the Titanic”

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Oct 15, 2009 10:46 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I like this analogy too

Mmmph rrgh prrmf! - someone with his mouth gagged

by Dyl on Oct 15, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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