EDWARDS or FITZ...????
by InTRENTweTRUST on Oct 18, 2009 10:02 PM EDT
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after watching all these games, and esp this one i am very confused on who should be the QB, Trent was 5/5 when he was injured, but has had a tough past couple of weeks. While Fitzpatrick looked ok(did have a few dropped by TO) and had 1 TD and INT. does anyone have any idea who looks better?? i know the O-line stinks, but for this team, who gives them the better chance to win?? opinions..? go for it
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by ChipShot on Oct 18, 2009 10:13 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
+1000000000
Mmmph rrgh prrmf! - someone with his mouth gagged
by Dyl on Oct 18, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which QB gives us the best chance to win?
Clearly Mark Sanchez
by Zumone on Oct 18, 2009 10:17 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
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by WhyBillsWhy on Oct 18, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL!
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 19, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fitz.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, the Bills are not winning this year with TRONT under center.
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by UZ on Oct 18, 2009 10:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What about in the shotgun???
"Next time I get the opportunity I am going to hold on and make a better decision." ~ Leodis McKelvin. (Can't ask for anythitng more than that)
by NolaBillsFan on Oct 18, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s even worse!
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by UZ on Oct 18, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trent Edwards by default. No carousel. When we bench Edwards, we do it for good. That being said, it’s not time yet.
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by Dyl on Oct 18, 2009 10:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fitz
The team responded to him and he seems to have more guts to throw the ball. He hit Lee and TO and took chances, which is what we need. Let him start a few more, Trent looks pretty bad so far this year. Fitz won a game, and may have the team convinced he can win.
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by TatonkaDonk on Oct 18, 2009 10:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He didn’t hit T.O. at least not on a ball that Owens caught.
Even the slant to Evans that went for the TD was behind him. Fitzpatrick is way too inaccurate with his passes for me to be sold on him.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 19, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good Lord Matt....If someone said that about Trent you would blow a nut!
Is it Fitz’s fault TO dropped the ball? He hit Evans in stride for a TD. Does it really have to be a perfect ball for Fitz to get credit for it?
Poor ball security leads to very painful outcomes
by Joe P. on Oct 19, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it Fitz’s fault TO dropped the ball?
Nope, just like it’s not Trent’s or Tony Romo’s fault. But can you really say a throw at T.O. is “hitting him”?
Does it really have to be a perfect ball for Fitz to get credit for it?
Nope. Just stating that even his “good” passes were off the mark.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 19, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least he thows it at him. Someone had sig that said something to the effect
You miss 100% of the shots you don’t take. What percentage of shots does Edwards take vs Fitz? Fitz is bound to be more successful even if he isn’t as good a QB.
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by Joe P. on Oct 19, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trent threw to T.O. just as many times as Fitzy did, right? Same with Evans.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 20, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hitting TO in the hands is hitting him
How many can he drop?
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by Kurupt on Oct 19, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think T.O. is trying to answer that very question this year. :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 20, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Things Fitz did better than Edwards
1. Pocket awareness – Fitz seemed to be able to move around in the pocket, avoid the rush, and by time
2. Fitz hit Evans in stride on a slant for the TD. I almost passed out.
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by Joe P. on Oct 18, 2009 10:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fitz also had an ugly INT and would have had 3 INTs if not for stone handed defenders
Keep Edwards in—Buffalo has to decide if he can be the QB of the future or not and there are 10 games left to make the decision firmly one way or the other.
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by WhyBillsWhy on Oct 18, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
10 games left......
Should be used to decide the QB??? I would hope (against hope) they use the 10 games left to take a shot at the play offs. We need to start expecting more, like put the QB in who gives us the best chance at victory.
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by TatonkaDonk on Oct 19, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that really Fitz?
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 19, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The decision should have already been made......Edwards is afraid to throw it down field
I wonder what Jauron likes better….Edwards or his job? Jauron has got to be hoping Edwards can’t go next Sunday so he can get another look at Fitz without having to actually make a tough decision about who should play. And if you want to see some ugly INTs, I can cue up some of Edward’s pick sixes. I am not saying Fitz is the 2nd coming of Kelly, but he did seem to move the ball better than Edwards. Points scored with Edwards in the game 3….with Fitz 13. And please don’t tell me it was due to coaching adjustments.
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by Joe P. on Oct 19, 2009 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fitz was in the game longer, too. :-) Oh and there were coaching adjustments.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 19, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scratching their Johnson only counts in Baseball :-)
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by Joe P. on Oct 19, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
First time Evans ever made a play like that after the catch
Can anyone recall him ever taking a short pass and turning it into a longer TD? That was a stunner.
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by Kurupt on Oct 19, 2009 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
can anyone ever remember when trent hit lee in stride?
by weswed51 on Oct 19, 2009 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
It was actually the first time, I have ever seen Lee Evans get hit in stride on a slant I can remember.
But Fitzpatrick made ALOT of bad throws too.
I remember Jauron’s first go round with Cade McNown, he would make a nice throw for every four awful ones, Fitzpatrick looked like Cade McNown today.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 19, 2009 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who's the lesser of two evils?
. . . is what we should be asking.
One the one hand, Fitz isn’t scared to throw the ball downfield. (By the way, isn’t it pathetic that we Bills fans now consider “ability to throw the ball downfield” a positive attribute when rating a QB? That’s like crediting a running back for being able to run, as opposed to just being able to walk. Thanks, Trent!) He also appeared more mobile, which is critical given the state of our line.
On the other hand, he’s just as inaccurate as he’s always been. We shouldn’t expect him to play any better than he played for St. Loius or Cincy…
It’s a tough call, and whatever Jauron decides, Bills fans shouldn’t criticize him for this decision. Still, I can’t help but wonder whether we’d have a better backup option if Wilson or the Bills’ front office was more aggressive in free agency.
by Flutie Flakes on Oct 18, 2009 10:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep...
A lot of folks on these boards said we should have picked up a veteran QB. But Fitz did OK – I think his accuracy will improve with more touches.
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by TatonkaDonk on Oct 18, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A QB doesn't magically become more accurate
Fitz has always been an inaccurate, below average QB.
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by Kurupt on Oct 19, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It didn’t in training camp. Fitz had great days and terrible days in camp. He’s streaky.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 19, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Edwards was looking good, throws a better ball, and just as he looked to be getting some confidence, even tossing the long ball to Owens that was slowed up by the pass interference, he might have made this an easier victory
Good Luck With Your Firings Mr. Wilson….Go Bills!
by killascript on Oct 18, 2009 11:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Im happier with Fitz in. The team looks more like a real team with a bad quarterback. When trent is in they don't appear to be playing football.
But im with Ron. The team isn’t going anywhere, so let’s let Trent prove beyond any doubt that he can’t be the QB here. My guess is he’ll do that by game 16.
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by JPH on Oct 18, 2009 11:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i choked on my coffee. in a way, i’m feeling you. though trent was looking good on that first drive. maybe it was the huddling up that gave them a chance to look like a football team?
by oompaloompa on Oct 19, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just can’t believe that Football Night in the America had Tiki Barber interviewing Ryan Fitzpatrick. That was weird and one terrible interview….
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by Kurupt on Oct 19, 2009 12:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I wasn’t at all impressed with FItz. He had a number of inaccurate throws and poor decisions and was lucky to only wind up with one interception. If Buffalo’s pass D didn’t dominate the game, we lose by 3 TDs and that pick in overtime easily could have cost them the game. I’m not sure how this is even a debate, I think Edwards is the better QB and it’s not particularly close.
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by kaisertown on Oct 19, 2009 12:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the way trent has looked the past 3 weeks and the last half of last season (stagnant, depressing, sad) is how/why this is a debate.
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by JPH on Oct 19, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty bad when fans.............
figure out all the ways we should have lost and exactly how. There are some intangibles to winning and Fitz has them. Stats don’t reflect momentum, morale, or attitude but all of these contribute to a winning attitude (find that stat!) – all of these translate to W’s instead of losses. Being a downer doesn’t make the game more fun, does it?
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by TatonkaDonk on Oct 19, 2009 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When the other team has more rushing yards than our entire offense and when our defense picks off six passes and the game goes into overtime, it doesn’t exactly take a rocket scientist to figure out what could have gone wrong. Am I really a downer for saying that the Bills won in spite of Fitz? How many QBs get three possesions in OT to win the game? Would I be a downer for saying that I think the Bills would have won this game by multiple scores if Edwards hadn’t gotten hurt?
How does Fitz have these intangibles? He played like crap and the team won because the defense gave up 13 points in five quarters and the team had 6 turnovers and a +4 turnover difference. If Fitz had these intangibles, then why was the offense so awful? Why did the Bengals fall apart after a 3-0 start last year when Palmer went down? Apparently you aren’t a fan of stats, but I wonder when the last time a game went into overtime when a team had a turnover ratio of +4?
And seriously, am I a downer? I feel like I defend Ralph, recent draft picks, the coaching staff, fringy players like Reed, Parrish, Ellison, special teamers etc.. the medical staff and some other stuff all the time. But I guess I’m a downer for thinking that our backup QB isn’t as good as our starting QB.
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by kaisertown on Oct 19, 2009 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think we’re dazzled by the toss to evans for the TD.
by oompaloompa on Oct 19, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
like always, kaisertown
You are the rain on our parade, the ants at our picnic, the kick return fumble at our MNF near-upset ; }
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by thurman on Oct 19, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the kick return fumble at our MNF near-upset
Nicely played, sir.
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by kaisertown on Oct 19, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fitzpatrick is a bad QB
and when Edwards is healthy he needs to play.
~K
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by Kurupt on Oct 19, 2009 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
GIVE FITZ A CHANCE!!!
He was a little rusty today but he seemed MUCH more confident and aware than Edwards. I was impressed by his mobility, quick decision making and poise in the pocket. I was also excited by the fact that he threw the ball down the field (at our WR’s) and even in a relativley poor performance (which I don’t blame him for given the fact he’s a backup and the weather conditions) he seemed to be able to take control of our offense.
Ask yourself this – WHAT DO WE HAVE TO LOSE? You never know…let this guy take some first team reps, start a few games and we could have the spark this team has been looking for since the late 90’s. We lose nothing by giving him a chance – he has experience starting (and the Bengals were in shambles last year, so you can’t hold that against him) and could turn this team around, especially with our schedule.
I want Trent to do well but I think his boat has left. I know the chances are slim, but every once in a while a QB comes out of nowhere to be the next superstar in this league and since this season is teetering on the brink of being another 5-7 win season, we’ve got nothing to lose and everything to gain by making this change.
by BuffaloWill on Oct 19, 2009 12:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you..
what have we got to lose.
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by TatonkaDonk on Oct 19, 2009 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
cant be much worse
at this point its vs a qb who has the talent but no balls vs the qb who takes a chance but doesnt have the talent to get it done one a regular basis. scrap trent and see what a good first round qb has for this offense. even his rookie year cant be much worse then what we see from fitz. at least we can see what a confident qb can do
by weswed51 on Oct 19, 2009 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
10 more games.
What exactly do you gain by making this change? Fitzpatrick isn’t our QB of the future. Trent probably isn’t either but Fitz is never going to be more than a backup.
by twoeightnine on Oct 19, 2009 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that sums up my argument.
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by JPH on Oct 19, 2009 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are probably right...
But you still lose nothing by giving him a chance. We won today – can’t say I am sure we would have if Trent didn’t go down.
My point is, Edwards has had his chance…we might as well give a look to the other QB with some experience on our roster. Can’t hurt, unless you think Trent can still be the guy. Personally, I don’t, but I could understand the argument for. I just want to win a few games and pretty or not, Fitz helped us get the win today which is more than I can say for what Trent’s done the last three weeks.
You know, Fitzpatrick only threw 9 INTS in 12 starts last season (only 8 TD’s granted) but given how bad Cincy was (25+ players to IR) he actually finished the season pretty strong.
I’m not saying I think he’s our savior…far from it, but while we have 10 games left we might as well let him prove that on the field, instead of just saying it.
by BuffaloWill on Oct 19, 2009 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it’s pretty crazy to say that Fitz helped the Bills win. Here’s how the Bills’ drives went with Fitz at QB:
3 and out, punt
3 and out, punt
34 yards, punt
3 and out, punt
3 and out, punt
drive start at the Jets 43, FG
slant to Evans, TD
26 yards, punt
drive start at Jets 49, missed FG
3 and out, punt
INT on 2nd play of drive
29 yards, Fitz was 0-1 passing, game winning FG
That’s a whopping one point per possesion. There is no way that this team losses with Edwards unless he goes turnover crazy. The first drive of the game was Buffalo’s best and only stalled with the bogus holding penalty.
It’s not that I think Edwards is the QB of the future, but since I think there is a 0% chance of Fitz being the long term (or short term) answer here, Edwards is infinitely more likely to be our franchise QB than Fitz is.
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by kaisertown on Oct 19, 2009 2:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
to be fair, there was a lot of punting in the cleveland game and the jets have a much better D
by oompaloompa on Oct 19, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So the bar is one of Edwards’ worst performances as a Bill? Fitz has started 16 games and maybe four of them havn’t been Browns-esque poor performances.
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by kaisertown on Oct 19, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
meh. i’m probably sympathetic with your view on the situation. i don’t think fitz is an answer. its more i’m overwhelmed by how terribly uninspiring the choice is.
by oompaloompa on Oct 19, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK now do Edwards
I don’t want Fitz as our long term solution as starter, but the fact remains the Bills scored more points with Fitz under center. NO WAY Edwards throws that slant to Evans.
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by Joe P. on Oct 19, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
NO WAY Edwards throws that slant to Evans.
You’re kidding, right? There wasn’t a defender within five yards of Evans in any direction on that throw. Edwards would have made that throw.
If you want a throw that Edwards probably would not have made, pick the seam route to Nelson.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 19, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Edwards...
Has not thrown to open receivers a bunch of times this year…
Maybe he would have thrown AT Evans on that slant, no guarantee he would have been on target.
by BuffaloWill on Oct 19, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I am getting old,
but I can remember Edwards hitting Evans in stride on a slant this season.
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by Joe P. on Oct 19, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He did it twice right at the beginning of yesterday’s game.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 19, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good news......sorry I missed it.
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by Joe P. on Oct 19, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know how you can say he didn't help the Bills win...
He threw the game tying touchdown and led the (short) drive that resulted in the game winning field goal.
I am not saying he’s our savior, but let him prove that he’s not on the field. We have nothing to lose by letting him start a couple of games. I have no confidence in Trent and a little confidence in Fitz after yesterday.
by BuffaloWill on Oct 19, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The slant was his first read and Evans was wide open. I think it’s a throw that results in a TD with pretty much any QB.
Fitz had a nine yard run on the drive that resulted in the FG, but I can’t give him too much credit since his only pass attempt of that drive was incomplete (turns out, when Buffalo didn’t let Fitz throw the ball, they scored points). The Bills had four runs (other than Fitz’s scramble) of 7+ yards and that is how they got in FG range.
Sure, Fitz had a handful of good throws, but do people really believe that Edwards hasn’t had a handful of good throws in his recent poor performances too? And I get that Buffalo has little to lose, but they have even less to gain by keeping a healthy Edwards on the bench.
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by kaisertown on Oct 19, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He Had 116 yards and 1 really nice throw to Lee.
Are you really ready to annoint him as starting QB?
Especially all the bad throws, he could have very easily thron 4 picks today with a little less luck. It evens out over a season, eventually you pay for those lousy throws over 16 games.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 19, 2009 1:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep. There it is. Nightmare has begun.
I’m going to make this plain as day: Trent Edwards should be our starting quarterback until further notice, for pretty much every reason available.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 19, 2009 6:46 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Agree
with “pretty much every reason available.”
One thing I noticed: the O had fewer penalties, and generally looked more calm and unified before the snap with Fitz. It may be that loosing the starting QB helped the line lose a nervous streak. When/if anyone does film review, please confirm or deny this.
Trent should be the starter, regardless.
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by thurman on Oct 19, 2009 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought the Bills had their best drive of the game with Edwards. They did have the two penalties, but the holding call on Wood was total BS. I wonder if the Bills would have scored a TD on that opening drive had the penalty not been called.
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by kaisertown on Oct 19, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The call on Wood was horrible. That was just a great pancake block.
I am not saying Fitz had better drives or plays. Did you watch Fitz’ post-game interview? His demeanor is quite calm and deliberate, where as Trent seems more distracted and excitable.
Does this come through as false starts? Does Trent’s personality affect the game like that? It just appeared that this young o-line calmed down with Ryan in the game.
Once again, this is only a minor issue…Trentative should start.
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by thurman on Oct 19, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The nightmare started game 3
Edwards should be the better QB, but that same logic got us Rob Johnson instead of Flutie. If Edwards can lead this team to some points, he doesn’t deserve to be the starter. I have not problem with him getting his job back, but he should be on a very short leash.
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by Joe P. on Oct 19, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec’d.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 19, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's simple...
You take the jersey ratio to figure this equation out: Lots of people own Edwards jerseys. No one owns a Fitzpatrick jersey. Fitzpatrick can’t start…shouldn’t start a controversy.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 19, 2009 7:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Did more people own Rob Johnson jerseys or Doug Flutie jerseys?
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 19, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
O-Line
I would have LOVED to see what Trent would have done yesterday if he hadn’t been hurt. The o-line played great and gave Fitz time to throw the ball for the majority of the day. Trent had already thrown the ball down the field in the limited time he was in there. I just have a feeling we wouldn’t have seen the same, tentative Trent yesterday once he saw that the o-line was holding up better than it had been.
Fitz was terrible other than the slant pass to Lee.
by CBATL32 on Oct 19, 2009 7:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope Trent can't go this Sunday
I say that b/c I think Fitz could be a better option, but I know when we bench Edwards, we need to be sure and bench him for good…
For all the rumblers on the Cpt Checkdown wagon, do you remember Fitzpatrick lighting it up when he played for STL? Of course, he wasn’t going to do anything last year in the mess that was the Cincinatti Bengals!
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by Sluss88 on Oct 19, 2009 9:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fitz had one great game and three terrible ones in STL. He did throw for 310 yards and three TDs in his first career start. In his next three games he was 57/105 (54%) for 467 yards (4.45 yards per attempt) and he threw 7 INTs and one TD. I wouldn’t exactly call that lighting it up.
And that mess of a Bengals team was 3-0 and averaging 26 points per game when Fitz took over. The ship didn’t really sink until Fitz lost four straight games in which the offense averaged 8.75 points per game. I get that people are frustrated with Edwards, but I don’t know how anybody who has seen Fitzpatrick play can think he’s a better QB than Edwards. It’s the same logic that leads people to think that late round rookies and other backups are better than the starters. When the known isn’t very good, people just assume the unknown is better.
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by kaisertown on Oct 19, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong...
The Bengals were 0-3 when Fitz took over (they started the season 0-8) and I’m not sure how 4 starts in his rookie year with the Rams are relevant – he’s played on terrible teams that don’t have the talent we do so I’d prefer to suspend my judgment until I see him start a few games with a team that has some talent at the skill positions.
by BuffaloWill on Oct 19, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My bad. Yahoo’s game log lists their first three games as wins, but upon further inspection, it’s actually the boxscores for the Bills’ first three games:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7426/gamelog;_ylt=Ag8eggO0Emfizy6mSbhJ4zz.uLYF?year=2008
That’s what I get for leaving SBNation and going to Yahoo for stats.
And St. Louis is relevant because Sluss brought it up. And I quote: " do you remember Fitzpatrick lighting it up when he played for STL?"
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by kaisertown on Oct 19, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kaiser
What are you talking about with last year’s Bengals? They started 0-8 and many Cincy fans thought they were one of the worst Bengals teams ever, if that’s possible….
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by Kurupt on Oct 19, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Capable BACK UP
Yesterday, Fitz did exactly what he was hired to do. Be ready to go in if/when Trent gets hurt and not lose the game. That’s what he did (although, he almost gave the game away in OT with the INT). Trent is still our best option to win. Let’s not kid ourselves. We had FIVE interceptions and only scored 16 points. If Fitz had taken advantage of that and put up 30 on the Jets with those turnovers, we might have a QB controversy, but not with only 16 points (13 while he was in).
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by fansince83 on Oct 19, 2009 10:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
In all Seriousness
Fitzspatrick did not look that great.
- Many of his thows were off target
- Could have easily been picked off multiple times
- If you watch the guy, he keeps his eyes on one receiver and never turns his vision. A smart defense is going to pick up on that…
BUT, he DID throw the ball to our receivers. Look, I will admit the guy is not the best passer in the world, BUT he IS giving our receivers chances to make plays— hence the 37yd Evans touchdown. And going along with that throw, THAT WAS A GREAT THROW. Sadly, I don’t think you can say that about many of his other passes.
Look in my opinion, Fitzpatrick does not have the accuracy to be a great QB. But at the same time, Edwards is not a very good choice either. For some reason, either because he just can’t make the throw or he does not have the balls to do it, Trent refuses to throw the ball downfield to our receivers (and do not blame that on the coaches, its Trent’s unwillingness to do so, which is made clear by where Fitz threw the ball on Sunday).
In the end, I guess its hard to judge Trent because he rarely does make the throws that Fitz made in that game. Its like comparing apples to oranges. But at the end of the day, I have to go with the player who gives our receivers the chance to make plays (hence what they are so highly paid to do). I’d rather take a QB who throws a marginal ball than one who is not willing to throw one at all.
by flutieflakes007 on Oct 19, 2009 11:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think you guys are being a little hard on fitz considering he’s the guy who takes none of the first team snaps during the week leading up to the game. His inaccurate throws may be a result of working with different players and getting less reps in preparation. All that matters is fitz demonstrated to us yesterday what the team needs to do to win games: Score offensive touchdowns. Trent’s 5 yard garbage tosses to fine and freddy worked in his first year ‘cause every defense hadn’t figured out yet he doesn’t usually throw over 15 yards. Have you ever noticed how when trent usually completes a pass to Lee (almost always on a comeback route) the defender is all over him? It’s because they’re pressing, they know trent barely ever throws it long. Fitz isn’t using owens and evans as decoys for derek fine the way trent does, he wants to and will throw it to our highest paid players.
by schat on Oct 19, 2009 11:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The excuses for Edwards are never ending
Walker was cut because he was to expense and had completely regressed. Edwards must be cheap enough to keep.
Poor ball security leads to very painful outcomes
by Joe P. on Oct 19, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fitzpatrick gives us a chance to win. Since last years injury Edwards is scared and is not getting the ball to TO or Lee Evans down field. Fitz all the way.
by Buff69King on Oct 19, 2009 1:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A few observations
1)With our without Edwards as an option, the stats showed Fitz played poorly. Fitz has proven in his NFL career thus far he is not a starter nor the long term solution at QB.
2)Hands down Edwards will start if he is healthy. That’s what Jauron will stick to, and Fitz has not shown anything to earn a starting gig yet.
3)The fact that there is such a discussion of Fitz vs. Edwards is a testiment of how poorly Edwards had played this season. Lack of: Pocket presence, deep throws, calming the OL, finding open receivers…….at this rate, he really doesn’t deserve to be our starting QB, but unfortunately, statistical comparison shows, our alternative has less upside in this season.
4)Edwards has never stayed health for the whole season dating back to his college days at Stanford. One way or another, the Bills desperately need to get a QB in the coming draft.
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by moncheri on Oct 19, 2009 2:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The best part about all this
Is that Fitz could go 27-31 for 360 yards with 3 TDs and no INTs next week and people would still be crying about Trent being under center.
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by UZ on Oct 19, 2009 6:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know about that.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 19, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he had that completion percentage and yards per attempt this week.
This thread would have merit.
I bet fitz plays next week too, just because if Trent had a full blown concussion, he will probaly be held out for safety reasons at least one week.
But if Fitz does play next week and went 27-31 for 360 yards and 3 TDs and 0 picks.
I will be first in line to say keep starting him over Trent.
But not when he goes 10-25 for 116 yards 1 TD, 1 pick, and threw many bad balls.
Defense won this game, not Fitz.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 20, 2009 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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