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My thoughts following this Jets football game.

Some of this is obvious. Some of this is totally subjective. But I needed to get it all off my chest and I didn't think I could do it by commenting on other people's posts. We'll be discussing 3 things or so.

 

  1. Trent vs. Fitzy
  2. The Run Defense
  3. Jairus Byrd
  4. A modest proposal on why we can no longer return or cover kicks, and why it's impermanent.

 

It's all below the jump.

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1. Trent Edwards vs. Ryan Fitzpatrick

Let me get this out of the way: Ryan Fitzpatrick is bad. He is a bad NFL quarterback, and he's absolutely not the answer for the Bills.

That being said, Trent Edwards has been on another level of bad for much of his NFL career. For the last (roughly) 8 or 9 weeks of last season, and the last 2 weeks of this season too, Edwards hasn't look like a bad NFL QB, he's looked like a schizophrenic division 3 quarterback who got tricked into going onto the field and just wants to go home. He's suffered such an insane and violent crisis of confidence that the only thing I've been able to compare it to was the way that JP Losman looked from 2007 onwards. I know they're very different quarterbacks in many ways, but they both looked completely terrified on the field. We all know JP's vice, where he stood in the pocket, bouncing and patting the ball with his off hand until finally someone would sack him or he'd try to heave it 70 yards. He'd hold onto the ball forever and he looked totally paralyzed.

To my eyes, this is how Edwards has looked recently, and it is the way he looked last year towards the end of the year. His vice is different, he either holds onto the ball until he's sacked or he dumps it immediately to his outlet receiver. Before this game, there was debate about whether that was just the playcalling of Alex Van Pelt. I think Fitz, for all his faults, proved that that is not the case. For whatever reason (my chips are on confidence) Edwards won't throw the ball over the middle, he cannot throw the slant, and he does not throw a good deep ball. 

Call me a dreamer, but the Bills offense with Fitz was one with possibilities. I wrote this in the gamethread, but the Bills with Fitzpatrick looked like a team that was playing football, but they just had a bad QB so he'd miss some passes, or he'd make a bad decision, but it was all in the effort to move the ball down the field. The Bills offense the past 3 weeks or so (I'd say starting with the Saints game) has not appeared to be playing football. It looked like Trent was completely lost and was just waiting for the possession to end.

If this were about making the playoffs, I'd take the bad-QB over the team-that-doesn't-play-football.

But we're not going to make the playoffs, which is why, after all of that, we should let Trent start again as soon as he is healthy. We need to know for sure that he's not the guy before we can move on. I think I know for sure, but I'm wrong about nearly everything.

2. The Run Defense

The Buffalo Bills run defense stinks. That's not a secret. I don't think why they stink is a secret either, but I think it needs to be acknowledge publicly:

The Bills linebackers stink. Maybe all of them.

I'm not a huge Mitchell fan. He makes a lot of mistakes, but at least he's been sighted in the backfield, and he's made the occasional play. Anyway, Ashlee Palmer certainly seems to try his darndest, but he's not an NFL starter. Hey, maybe that's why he wasn't drafted…

I don't know what to make of Keith Ellison. He was great the first two games of the year, but he's disappeared since then. I think he can be the worst starting linebacker on a NFL team, but he has to be clearly the worst of the three. I'm not sure that's the case, and I think that's the problem. Keith is who he is, a low-impact space-filler.

Paul Posluszny. Oh poz. Anyone whos read my comments (or my dad's for that matter) knows I do not like Paul as a player. He certainly seems like he should be a stud: 

  • great collegiate from the storied Linebacker U
  • tough, blue-collar worker
  • yells a lot
  • gross hair.

But you know what? He isn't. He's not even a good linebacker. He made an interception today. I went out of my way to give him credit, because god knows I've heckled him enough. That's the third play he's made in his career. Total.  He has forced 1 fumble, and he's made 2 interceptions in a total of 21 games now. That'd be ok if he was a great run stopper, but he's not. He does not shed blockers well, he's the King of our overpursuit problem (Ryan Denney would be king, but his lack of PT this year makes him Crown Prince, IMO), and he gets blown up and out of plays constantly.
Guys, he's not a good linebacker! Maybe he'll become one. I'm not a judge of football talent, and for all I know he's about to turn a corner and become a very good middle linebacker. But I am a judge of what-the-heck-just-happened-in-front-of-my-eyes, and I challenge anyone to tell me he played well today, or that his reappearance in the lineup helped us in any way stopping the run.
Roundabout way of saying this: Each one of our linebackers could play on a good team, but only if they were the worst starting linebacker for that team. Ellison might have to be worst starting defender on the team. Not one of these guys should be the best linebacker on the field, and, when Mitchell isn't on the field, it's not clear to me which one is. That is the problem with our run defense. 

 

3. Jairus Byrd Let's give some credit where credit is due. I've criticized the Bills for trying to be too clever. I think we saw an abundance of the past few offseasons. To review

  • Lets draft a center and a tackle to play guard, a safety to play LB, and a corner to play safety.
  • Let's not pony up the money for our pro-bowl LT, we'll go with a mediocre RT instead.
  • Forget the pro-bowl center available, let's sign a feisty career backup.
  • Screw the experienced guy, we'll go with our 7th round project instead.
  • We can find our franchise QB in the 3rd round.
  • You think Whitner is too green and maybe late first round? Boom. 9th overall.
  • What this team really needs is more cornerbacks
  • Let's try the no-huddle because it hasn't worked for anyone but a team that had 3 HOF offensive players (at least) and played 15 years ago.

Anyway, they really seem to have found something with Byrd. Let's remember, he didn’t even play safety in college! He has something you can't teach: a nose for the darn football. I think between he and McKelvin, this team will be able to make a ton more plays in the secondary in the future. Whitner is a nice player, and so are Scott and Mcgee, but they don't go after the football like Byrd and McKelvin do. The team deserves credit for deciding that was a skill/talent/inclination they valued, and finally getting it.

Playmakers, that's what you call 'em.

Anyway, Byrd still obviously needs work. He took some poor routes to the ball carrier and missed some tackles. But remember, last year he was a CB! He'll learn. And even if he doesn't, a FS's main job really shouldn't be run defense. God help us.

4. Bobby April and the case of the mysterious disappearing special teams expertise. I don't know much about the x's and o's of special teams, but this is a theory.
First of all, understand that in some ways, Bobby's job is the toughest of all the coaches. In no other area of the game does a coach have to deal with as much turnover between years. Basically, in a roster crunch, Bobby's guys are the first to go. Coy Wire, John Stamer, Blake Costanzo, Andre Davis, Justin Jenkins. The list goes on and on. For that reason, we've got to remember that Bobby is going to miss sometimes when he picks his nobodys to fill out the coverage and return teams. Nobody can be right 100% of the time.
Here's my theory on why he's missed this year in particular, and it's poorly researched and needs someone who pays better attention (read: Brian, K, 80% of the rest of this board) to confirm or deny its premise. This offseason there were some rule changes that (I think)  outlawed the wedge blocking scheme for returns. As a response to that, supposedly Bobby went with more light fast guys on both the coverage and return teams. My theory is that he was wrong: either he was wrong that those adaptations were necessary or he was wrong with the guys he picked to fill those gaps. Anyway, my theory is that by the end of this year the entire NFL will have figured out the  news rules, and then we'll be right back where we started, with Bobby running show.
Those are my thoughts, sorry for rambling and congrats if you made it this far.

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1 agreed
2 agreed but poz is by far our best linebacer right now, not ray lewis but not terrible
3 best draft pick that was hated (even by me) in a long time why does this team seem to hit so often on its second round pick but f up its first?
4 turnover is bad for any squad

by weswed51 on Oct 19, 2009 12:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You don't seem too positive..

“But we’re not going to make the playoffs, which is why, after all of that…”

I think we will be alright. No need for all the negativity, unless you really don’t like the team. What keeps you tuning in???? There is more to football than stats, the best team on paper doesn’t always win..

Defend the Herd

by TatonkaDonk on Oct 19, 2009 1:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

hahah I'm not that positive, i suppose.

I actually think this team has a lot of the right pieces, I was being negative about the “clever” thing to prove a point, I don’t think those were all bad moves (clearly, Jairus looks great). But I don’t like most of the team. I don’t like our LB’s, I don’t like our QB’s, I don’t like our coaching or our management.

What keeps me in is the same thing that keeps most people on the board tuning in: As bad as this football team can be, there is still nothing I’d rather do for a Sunday afternoon than watch the Bills. It’s why I haven’t missed a game in years.

Stats? I would actually say I didn’t use enough stats in this article. The bulk of it, (The Fitz vs. Trent part) was literally “this feels right, this doesn’t.”

My point stands: for the good of the team, I want the Bills to play trent. It might stink for a while, but we’ve got nothing to lose, let’s give Trent another try.

Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!

by JPH on Oct 19, 2009 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I totally agree with you on Fitz. It’s not so much that he’s a bad player, he just has no business starting in this league. And for those out there thinking, “why would the Bills sign a backup QB if he wasn’t any good”, I’ll respond with, what else were they supposed to do? Think about it like this: How many starting caliber QBs are there in the league? 20-25? Considering that there are 62 QBs who are either starters or backups, it’s pretty tough to find a really good backup.

I’ll just say that I disagree about Poz and leave it at that.

I don’t see how the Bills offseason was them being too clever. Every single scout out there thought that Levite’s best fit was at guard (6’3’’ players don’t play OT in the NFL, so the good 6’3’’ offensive lineman play guard or center) and every single scout that Harris was a 4-3 OLB. Those aren’t clever picks because those guys were on every single team’s draft board as OG and OLB. Pretty much the same with Byrd too, almost everybody thought his best fit would come as a FS because he simply lacks the straight line footspeed to play corner. I don’t understand how taking a great college cornerback who is too slow to play cornerback and shifting him to free safety is clever. And off the top of my head, Eugene Amano, David Baas and Mike Pollak all played center in college, but play guard in the pros. That was just a need thing, Buffalo wanted to draft a guard around there and the next player who actually played guard in college to get picked was Louis Vasquez with the 78th pick.

Buffalo simply didn’t have the money available to go after a big time FA. I was saying it all offseason. People didn’t realize how much money this team already had invested in the roster. We got luck with TO because it was a one year deal that didn’t require a huge up front signing bonus.

Did the Bills really draft Edwards to be the franchise QB? He seemed like a value pick to me. I doubt the Bills would have drafted a QB if a 2nd round prospect like Edwards wasn’t sitting there in the third round. Losman was coming off a good 2006 season too.

I thought the special teams had a good game. They caught a bad break with the punt that hit Reed and Palmer’s block in the back was pretty stupid (although Jackson doesn’t break that long return without it). But I thought Jackson looked good, the Jets had one punt return yard on 8 punts and Leon Washington averaged 19 yards per kick return.

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by kaisertown on Oct 19, 2009 1:04 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

On the Poz deal: I doubt we’ll agree, but re-watch the game today. Poz gets swept up in the tide on virtually every running play.

I think you’re probably right about the clever thing: I was exaggerating to prove my point that I think this front office is pretty averse to doing things the normal way, and you’re right that these things weren’t all examples of them trying to be geniuses.

Thanks for the read.

Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!

by JPH on Oct 19, 2009 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did the Bills really draft Edwards to be the franchise QB? He seemed like a value pick to me

I was about to say this. It was a smart play to have him as a second or third string backup and keep him there at least for a while. He just exceeded expectations early and we didn’t really have a choice but to put him in the line of fire when Wilfork jammed his elbow into JP’s knee.

Official ledge-talker-offer of the Buffalo Bills.

by WhyBillsWhy on Oct 19, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's kind of a moot point

Since our supposed franchise QB at the time was Losman and he didn’t work out either.

Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.

by UZ on Oct 19, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly. Sometimes, you’re just a victim of circumstance.

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by WhyBillsWhy on Oct 19, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree on 1, disagree on 3

Your take on Edwards and Fitz is right. Like I said in the game thread, if the Bills come back to win this game, it will be the beginning of the end of the Edwards Era, not that Fitz is the answer. I just think your looks at our draft picks are the pessimistic looks at some average moves. You could put positive spins on most of those moves.

Mmmph rrgh prrmf! - someone with his mouth gagged

by Dyl on Oct 19, 2009 1:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

the draft picks- yeah I didn’t mean to make it sound like I thought every move there was terrible, just that I get the vibe that the Bills front office seems determined to show that they’re smarter than the conventional wisdom.

Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!

by JPH on Oct 19, 2009 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But...I want to win NOW.

Re Trent v. Fitz, everything you said makes perfect sense, except for your conclusion and the underlying presumption:

“If this were about making the playoffs, I’d take the bad-QB over the team-that-doesn’t-play-football. If this were about making the playoffs, I’d take the bad-QB over the team-that-doesn’t-play-football. But we’re not going to make the playoffs, which is why, after all of that, we should let Trent start again as soon as he is healthy.”

Haven’t we seen enough of Trent to know that he’s not the future? Haven’t we evaluated him enough? Moreover, if you believe that Fitz gives us a marginally better chance (i.e., an actual football team with a bad QB v. a team that isn’t playing football), then shouldn’t Fitz be your obvious answer ? We don’t watch football to look on as our team evaluates talent. As we pour our time, energy, and money into watching football, we deserve to witness a team displaying the best “product” that it has to offer. The team can and should focus on rebuilding from Monday through Saturday, but on Sunday, the team should have one goal: not evaluating talent, and not rebuilding, but just winning.

No matter what, of course, the Bills will be displaying an inferior product, yet again. (Blame mediocre management, poor drafting, poor free agency, etc.). But if I have a choice between watching an actual football team with a bad QB and a non-football team, I’d take the former.

by Flutie Flakes on Oct 19, 2009 1:22 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great post

By the way, should’ve mentioned this before: This was a great post. I disagree with the comment above that you’re being negative. You’re just being realistic, which all fans have a right to be. And I enjoyed your cataloging of the Bills’ bungled decision-making over the past years.

by Flutie Flakes on Oct 19, 2009 1:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agree with a lot of this

1) Fitz is bad, I’ve said that so many times the past 6 months. Today we saw how bad he is. Accuracy and decision making issues are not a recipe for much success. Trent has been beyond terrible lately, but it shouldn’t be a consideration going to Fitz in a starting role. As you said, this isn’t a playoff time, so we aren’t going to see Fitz other than in injury and mop up time. Let Trent sink or swim from here on out. He’s not our future anyhow.

2) Agree. The LB unit stinks, and was nothing special when fully healthy. I fully agree about Poz. He’s a very average player. He doesn’t shed blockers, struggles reading and reacting right away (or so it seems), gets sucked in to the pile too easily and just isn’t stout enough in the run game. The surrounding talent in front of him and alongside him doesn’t help, but the overhyping of Poz has turned him into a better player than he really is.

4) I don’t think it’s that at all. I think injuries, new blood and stupid mistakes are the issues. We have had a lot of turnover from the past few years and have a lot of young guys and rookies playing major roles in the ST’s. That’s hurting performance. The injuries have shuffled these guys in and out of the lineup, obviously not helping the cause. And our best and most explosive return man was lost after a few games. The fumbles and penalties are what’s really killing this unit so far this year. It happened again today with the phantom Reed touching and the Palmer penalty taking away the long Jackson return.

I don’t think having faster, smaller guys is involved at all. April’s units have always had a lot of DB’s, WR’s, and LB’s playing big roles and being successful. As the young guys get more comfortable and improve, so will this unit. It was better today, especially in kick/punt coverage and the punt return unit. If Bobby April is still around next year, I bet his units will again be very good.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Oct 19, 2009 1:59 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

agree on some disagree on others

As we discussed last night JPH, I’ve seen the light on Trent Edwards’ unwillingness to throw downfield when I witnessed Ryan Fitzpatrick – of all people – step right into the game and proceed to begin taking shot after shot downfield. Sure a majority of his throws were short, sure he threw some ducks up there but it was in horrendous weather (has Trent ever looked that good in that kind of weather?) and a QB’s worst enemy is not snow or rain its cold and wind – Fitz looked pretty decent. If you don’t think he played admirably for such conditions just look at the other QB on the field. Sanchez simply couldn’t play. I’m officially off the Edwards train. I probably stayed on for more stops than the majority of you but last night, within 2 minutes of Fitz coming I watched my theory of Trent has not being given the situation to make throws downfield get shattered by a pretty bad back up QB. Did anyone else notice Lee excitedly talking to Fitzy after Trent got hurt or TO putting his arm around him in the huddle and yapping in his ear? It looks to me like these playmakers felt like they had an opportunity rather than problem when Fitz came into the game. A guy they could talk into just throwing them the ball to make a play. “Hey Fitz, just throw it in our direction, I’ll be doing this [blah blah blah] and just throw it here [blah blah blah]. Its not like anything else has been working, ok buddy?” I was wrong, call it flip flopping, call it what you will but I think of flip flopping as changing your position without first burying the hatchet in the chest of your old one and removing any doubt you feel you were dead wrong. I was. I was wrong. I apologize and concede to whoever told me otherwise. Our playmakers are at WR. The only way we win is by getting them involved. If Fitz is willing to do it, even in his terrible, bad QB way, then so be it. Sorry Trent.

I totally disagree about Poz though. I thought Poz had a great game and was refusing to let us lose. He was making big tackles all over the field and his pick was glorious. JPH you were even giving him props multiple times last night! He is a tenacious tackler. No one says Poz is Ray Lewis, I think the guys who say he is over hyped are the only ones who have over hyped him. Poz is not Ray Lewis but what he is is the surest of tacklers and a play through the whistle leader and is determined to win. You put Ray Lewis in this linebacking corp and they still give up huge runs. One player can’t stop that playing next to Keith Ellison and Ashlee Palmer. Neither is starting caliber. Either way, I won’t argue with you about Poz as a player, lets keep it to this game. I thought he played great.

Finally, I want to add props to McGee. The guy played hard all game while we were getting slashed. His play has to pump up guys around him watching him chase down players when they arent doing their jobs. I hope he is ok, McGee is very underrated. Byrd is the wyrd. Enough said.

The no huddle is gone, please sign tackles Runyan, Jones or Walker

by poz on Oct 19, 2009 4:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

WTF u doing up at 4:43 AM Poz? please don’t tell me you were still up! :)

I wanted to comment on your post because I fully agree with you on Fitz/Edwards. Fitz is bad – o.k. – we get that, however, he took shots and tried to play a game of football. it was nice to see – even if they were wobbly or inaccurate shots – they were shots none the less.

Obviously Trent is terrible or we wouldn’t all be exicited for a guy who tried to just throw balls to his receivers. TO dropped a bunch I saw, but he tried to get it to him, same with Lee (dude was shot out of a cannon on that TD, man is he fast).

Trent can learn a lot from fitz here – you got playmakers – throw them the ball – even if it get picked – at least try man!

McGee is very underrated – I’ve always like him (greer looked good yesterday too!).

Byrd seems good at making plays on the ball (excellent), but his run support needs some work. However, kids young, he’ll be a stud in 2/3 years

I am so clever that sometimes I don’t understand a single word of what I am saying
Trent Edwards - Backup QB until furthur notice. Care to prove me wrong Trent?

by J2 on Oct 19, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

McGee didn’t play for much of the game yesterday….

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Oct 19, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

On Poz

You’re right that yesterday I complemented him because he did make 2 or 3 good plays, the interception among them. Go easy on that pick, I don’t mean to bash him (hell he intercepted a pass, case closed) but he was sitting there and sanchez threw him the ball, it looked like he was faircatching a poochpunt, it wasn’t a Jairus-Byrd-flying-through-the-air pick, or a McKelvin jumping the route pick. He was sitting there and Sanchez threw a dying quail right at him. Again, he caught it and he deserves credit for that, but let’s not pretend that it was evidence of anything else than not screwing up a giftwrapped pick.

Anyway back to Poz. He made 3 or 4 good plays, but my problem is that he stinks the rest of the time. He’s not solid then great, he makes a couple nice plays and then gets blown up and takes himself out of virtually every other play! Go back and look at Thomas Jones’s day. Every time he gets past the line of scrimmage, Poz is on the other side of the field. There is no in-between with Poz. He either comes unblocked right to the point of attack and makes the tackle at the line (which he did 3 times by my count) or he encounters a blocker and gets totaled. He doesn’t shed blockers and he overpursues as badly as anyone on the defense.

I’d really like to get a copy of the entire game that I can break down, because it feels like I’m one of the few who sees this. is there a place online where you can download games in their entirety? legally of course.

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by JPH on Oct 19, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it wasn’t a Jairus-Byrd-flying-through-the-air pick, or a McKelvin jumping the route pick.

Poz clearly jumped the route that Sanchez was targeting with his eyes.

On the first Thomas Jones run Poz filled the hole Jones was running to but Jones made a gorgeous cutback to the right to the open space.

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 19, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

filled the hole?

I think “runs into the guard” is a more appropriate term. I’ve never seen anything to suggest that Poz was going to detach himself from that block and make the tackle, even if Jones passed within 3 inches of him. It’s not something he’s good at.

I rewatched the endzone angle on the pick. You’re right. He went from behind Edwards to in front of him. He did jump the route.

It was a dying quail though, I stand by that, and I don’t say that to demean Poz, merely to put the play in context. A pick is a pick however, and he made the play.

Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!

by JPH on Oct 19, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was a dying quail though, I stand by that,

And you should.

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 20, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

On the first Thomas Jones run Poz filled the hole Jones was running to but Jones made a gorgeous cutback to the right to the open space.

Then he didn’t adequately fill any hole, I’d say.

And on the Poz INT, he was sitting there in front of the WR. Sanchez threw it right to him.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Oct 19, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was four yards to the left of the WR and when Sanchez locked on he ran in front of him. Yeah Sanchez threw it in his bread basket but they even showed the replay. He didn’t perfectly time a jump on the route but he still jumped the route. Sheesh. Give him a little credit for it.

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 20, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Isn't saying that he was sitting there in front of the reason giving him credit?

I’m not saying Sanchez walked over and handed him the ball. He was in proper position. Sanchez threw him a gift. I don’t think it is jumping the route when he was there all along, IMO.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Oct 20, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and as JPH said above he wasn’t. He had to move to get in front of it.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d8138370e/Sanchez-s-5th-INT

Go watch it and tell me he was just standing there waiting for the gift. :-)

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 21, 2009 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

On Fitzpatrick

  Unfortunatley I wasn’t able to watch the game yesterday, and didn’t dvr it. So this is just based on what I got off of espn coverage of the Bills. Oh wait they only had coverage of the Jets, but I digress.
And from what I"ve read here
  Fitzy did a reasonably good job, and I think I would like to see him get a start after a week of practice with the starters and a game plan before writing him off.
  As for Edwards he might be a good backup….. for the JETS!

by jimkutica on Oct 19, 2009 10:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Byrd is the word...for now

I love how everybody is on the wagon for Byrd b/c he made a few picks already. Let’s remember, these INT’s were basically punt returns for our defense! Byrd looked like a chump when T Jones ran down the field, an McGee flew by Byrd to pull him down in the endzone. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know you need to tackle the guy running down the field Byrd, his lack of speed will be the death of him.

As for Poz, are you sh!tting me??? The guy is a monster, playing with a broken arm, and has also been out the last couple weeks. Oh, and last time I checked, I didn’t think LB’s were judged based upon the amount of INT’s they pull… He’s a defensive leader, and a huge presence on the field, ’nough said.

They are hard to play but not hard to beat.
- Mike Lombardi on the Buffalo Bills

by Sluss88 on Oct 19, 2009 10:22 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

…So you’re criticizing Byrd for having no run D and then saying Poz is great despite his lack of run D? Byrd wouldn’t need to play Run D if Poz could grab somebody just once.

Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.

by UZ on Oct 19, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I never said Poz lacks run D!

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by Sluss88 on Oct 19, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but he does.

and you’re saying he’s great.

Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!

by JPH on Oct 19, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The run defense

Who on the defense are primarily responsible for stopping the rush? I think most of us would agree it is the linebackers. Among the linebackers, who has the ultimate responsibilty for stopping the rush? I think most of us would agree it is the middle linebacker. The Jets rushed for 318 yards.

by jpheff on Oct 19, 2009 11:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That’s a pretty big oversimplification. The Bills are dead last in run defense, the other four teams joining them in the bottom five are Carolina, San Diego, Cleveland and Tampa Bay. I think most people would consider Barrett Ruud, D’Qwell Jackson and especially Jon Beason to be good MLBs. Houston has consistently had a bad run defense with DeMeco Ryans too.

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by kaisertown on Oct 19, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yea, I think the LBs here are getting overly bashed for the run D. It’s the entire defenses job to stop the run. Particularly the front 7. I think our defense is struggling because of the group. Not everything can be blamed on one man, or one unit (LBs). The line has to occupy blockers and get a push into the backfield. It seems our line is always shooting gaps and when they miss the ball carrier, it just allows the lineman that was going to block them to reach the second level and neutralize the linebackers. They’re allowing one man to block 2 guys by taking themselves out of the play. I’m not trying to exhonerate (spelling?) the linebackers because they all over-pursued like crazy yesterday (I was screaming the whole time to stay in their lanes because the jets were running cut-backs the whole time) which made themselves easier to be blocked. However, I just don’t think they deserve all the blame for the poor run defense. Also, on those cut-back runs, the safety and cornerback need to help in the back-side pursuit as well, which simply didn’t happen very often yesterday

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by willgarr15 on Oct 19, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good points!

1- Ryan verse Trent <> I don’t think either are the answer, but with pass protection being a problem and a young line, hard to determine the verdict on Trent. Still don’t know why the Bills don’t sign Jeff Garcia.
2 – Run Defense – Usually the defense is running after the RB after he get’s into the open field, enough said.
3 – Byrd looks promising and might end up being the top pick from this draft. It’s nice to know we now have about 10 defensive backs that can play.

by BuffaloWhiner on Oct 19, 2009 4:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

"still don't know why the Bills don't sign Jeff Garcia" ?

Really….do you think T.O. wants them to sign him!

by jimkutica on Oct 19, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

justification

On the first clip the artificial turf tackled Poz and should have been called for holding. On the second clip Poz got confused about fight the pressure and instead succumbed to pressure. In the late Paterno era linebackers are taught to let the O linemen push them away from the direction of the play. This is all done in preparation to get beat by USC 42 to 0. Poz is merely bringing that forward.

by jpheff on Oct 20, 2009 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Awww…. father and son together again. :-)

On the first one, Washington was just faster than Poz. Washington is a fast guy. I doubt many LBs in the league can make that play one on one unless they guess left correctly. It’s not a justification as much as it is a compliment to Washington.

The second one is the one I was talking about earlier. You can see Poz jump into the hole the play is designed to go to. Washington just cuts back to the middle of the field where Stroud was until he got knocked on his kiester. Again, not saying Poz made a good play just that it’s not all on him. If Stroud is where he was supposed to be instead of picking himself up Washington doesn’t have the cutback as an option.

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 20, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Most guys are slow when lying on the turf. Totally agree that it does not all get blamed on him but the point is he did not make a play here, nor did anybody else. One thing about players who are genuinely good is that they make everyone on the field with them better. How good did Jim Leonhard look plating with Reed and Lewis? We have no one on either side of the ball who makes his teammates better. Poz is definitely our best linebacker left standing but his ability to elevate the play of his mates remains to be seen. I hope he gets to that level.
On the family thing, one of my regrets is my son will suffer the agony of rooting for the Bills. At least he has had the highs of being a Yankee fan. Can you imagine being a Bills and Cubs fan?

by jpheff on Oct 20, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about the Bills and Sabres? :-)

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 21, 2009 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

fortunately

he had moved from Buffalo before the Sabres existed. We’re rangers fans (not that that’s much better.)

Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!

by JPH on Oct 21, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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