If we lose the next two, bye Dick.
by csc06258 on Oct 2, 2009 12:04 AM EDT
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If three 7-9 seasons couldn't do it, a loss to the Dolphins and Browns should do it in my opinion. This guy has been given every opportunity to succeed and he can't. With weapons like Evans, Lynch, Freddie, T.O, Nelson, Parrish and Reed there is no reason this team can't be efficient offensively. Plug these players in the Colts scheme and they would win the superbowl hands down. We have too much talent to be so mediocre on offense. T.O had 10 yard cushions last game!!!!!!!!!!! Heres an idea dick, just throw the ball to him and let him run for 5 yards. Wow i didn't even need to go to Yale to figure that out. Back to my main point before i go on and on about Dick being a horrible coach- The Dolphins are without a Q.B. Chad Hene is not very good and we should win this game hands down, even being so injured. I expect them to run a ton of wildcat and limit Hene to just handing off the ball, for at least this week. Next, the Browns. The Browns again found some way to go from pretty good, to horrible. They traded away one of their best players in Kellen Winslow. The Bills should be 3-2 after this two game stretch, and thats not asking a lot. I said they would go 4-12 this year, but after seeing the Dolphins lose their Q.B I am changing it to 6-10. They should beat the Dolphins twice and should definitely beat the Browns. I understand we lost to two good teams, the Patriots and Saints and I would have told you we would be 1-2 at this point before the season, but I am sick of saying "o they were a good team and we should have lost." Because realistically, we should of won the Pats game, and we were in the Saints game-but Edwards couldn't do anything. In order to be good, you have to win those close ones. Thats really what this league is about. Teams like the Pats find ways to win, because they are a good team with a good coach. Bad teams find a way to lose, like the Bills. Let me know what you think about my opinion because I really don't see how Ralph can keep Dick around, especially if we go 1-4. He also spent a lot of money on T.O in order to help us win which solidifies the point- Dick and Trent have no excuses this year, you win or your gone.
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Plug these players in the Colts scheme and they would win the superbowl hands down.
The Colts scheme has one Suber Bowl and that’s with Peyton Manning as the QB.
Sure, the Bills have a dynamic pair of WRs, a good slot guy and great depth at the position. They also have a QB who doesn’t seem capable of making plays with any consistency, nothing at the TE position and one of the worst OLs in the league.
If you mean that these guys would win the Super Bowl in the Colts scheme with Peyton Manning, then maybe, but it’s still far from a sure thing (how much better are Evans, TO, Reed, Parrish, Nelson, Jackson, Lynch than Wayne, Clark, the injured Gonzalez, Garcon, Addai and Brown?). If you mean that if the Bills had the Colts’ coaching staff, they would win the SB, then you’re borderline insane.
I voted no because I can’t imagine Ralph firing Jauron at any point this season. I just don’t think he would.
Should Jauron be fired is a more interesting question for me. And I’d actually vote that he should. If this team starts 1-4 against this schedule, fire him and promote April and see what you’ve got there. I also think there’s almost no chance that Buffalo loses the next two games. Are people so down on this team that they think back to back losses against a Henne lead Dolphins team and the Browns is all that possible? This is a Bills team that had the Pats beat, handled a crappy Bucs team easily and kept with the Saints for 3.5 quarters.
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Doesn’t Peyton Manning win with, ya know, most guys?
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 2, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
If we lose the next two , no more Dick
If we win them, does he get coach of the year?
"I wouldn't ever set out to hurt anyone deliberately unless it was, you know, important - like a league game or something." Dick Butkus
no because he beat teams he was supposed to beat-terrible football teams, well the dolphins are not terrible but we should win.
I voted NO.
The real problem is Jauron doesn’t know enough about offensive philosophy.
I think Jauron has a good defensive mind, I thought the defensive gameplan against NO was solid.
But the offensive gameplan was horrid and I don’t think Jauron has enough knowledge of offense to help his OC.
I think if Jauron could serve as DC under a HC with a good offensive mind, he could learn enough about O to be a good HC,
I just voted no because I’m sure Ralphy won’t fire him and eat the contract.
Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.
by UZ on Oct 2, 2009 4:43 AM EDT up reply actions
You are right
Ralph won’t fire him because of the contract.
If Ralph has any brains, if this season goes down the drain. Instead of firing Jauron, he should find a new offensive minded HC who would be willing to keep Jauron as DC.
I think most of us can agree Jauron knows defense and is good at developing DBs.
But when it comes to offense he doesn’t have a clue.
My best case scenario would be Shanahan as HC, Kubiak as OC and Jauron as DC. Shanahan knows about as much about defense as Jauron does offense, i think this would be a winnining combo for all involved where they could all learn from each other at what they are good at.
But I have a feeling Dan Snyder is gonna pay Shanahan the Big bucks and he will be the next HC of the skins.
My next choice as HC would be Marty Schottenheimer, I think he would be more than willing to keep Jauron as DC. I like Marty alot and think out of the old school coaches, he was really getting a grasp on the offensive game today. I like the work he did with Brees was excellent and has the contacts for good coordinaters, he would be my second choice and probably be willing to take what ralph was willing to pay.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 2, 2009 6:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah because if I get demoted I would stick around…
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 2, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Plus there is no way you would want to put your players in that situation.
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demoting is one way to show a person the door. is DJ the kind of guy who would take that job and stick around? for all the criticism of his style, it would seem consistent for him to resign if demoted. then again, this is probably his last big payday in the NFL. is it possible to demote him under the contract?
I would stick around if demoted.
As long as I got to keep my HC salary as DC.
If this season goes in the tank, Jauron is NOT gonna get a head coaching job in the NFL.
It will either be DC or a DB coach at a reduced salary, it would make more sense to stick around as DC under his current contract than walk for less money.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 3, 2009 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions
First
Why would any team demote a HC and make him the DC when he hasn’t been that his entire tenure?
Second, I don’t think Jauron is in it for the money. I’d be stunned if he or any HC, for that matter, actually took a demotion over a resignation.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Jauron has been DC
Following his first head-coaching job, Jauron served as the defensive coordinator for the Detroit Lions in 2004 and the first 11 games of the 2005 season before being named the team’s interim head coach.
If he fails here, he has two options for NFL employment, DC, or DB coach (More likely DB coach), if the Bills brought in an offensive minded HC, Jauron might be able to learn enough about offense to be a good HC next go round.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 4, 2009 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I mean here in Buffalo
If a HC fails, he fails, and is gone. Teams cut ties, they don’t keep him around in some other role. Why would they want to? And why would the coach who was pretty much told he wasn’t good enough for the job he was hired for stick around?
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Because Ralph is a cheapskate and Jauron needs some chooling in Offensive Philosophy.
Jauron doesn’t have a clue when it comes to offense, how can he make a hire at OC when he doesn’t understand the basics?
He promoted Schonert who doesn’t have a clue of the fundamentals.
There are probaly 5 or less HCs who know enough about both sides of the ball to be elite head coaches.
I think Jauron knows defense, I think he excells at coaching DB technique.
As much as I like Marv Levy, I think he is way off base when he said good teachers make good head coaches.
good teachers make good position coaches.
Good Head coaches are master strategists at both defense and offense.
Good OCs are master stragegists at offense, they know you can slow the pass rush off the edge if you run a draw at where the pressure comes from.They know screens will slow down a pass rush, they know how to keep a defense honest and how to make them pay when they cheat by guessing and find themselves out of position.
Good DCs are master stratagists at defense, they know how to take away their best offensive options and force them to beat you with what they don’t do well. They know when to bring pressure and when to drop 7 into coverage, or mix it up against a rookie with a 6 man zone with 1 defender playing man on man.
Good HCs are the ones who understand Both sides of the ball, Bellichick is the perfect example. H had a great defensive mind, but his continued learning of offense took him to that next level, that is what Jauron needs.
Much as I like Marv Levy let me leave you with this one last thought.
In war, your Drill seargent is your best teacher, do you really want him to be your general planning troop movement?, He needs so much more knowledge to do that, and football is simulated war.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 4, 2009 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions
All you really do there is explain why Jauron isn’t a good head coach and why he would be a good coordinator. But it doesn’t really answer why a guy who has been the head coach for four seasons would be a good fit in the same locker room in a lesser role. It’s not good for the players who are loyal to Jauron to have him stick around. If a new coach works the players harder, do you want them saying, DJ never made us do this? or do you want old starters to be demoted and say, DJ thought I was good enough to start? It’s a terrible idea to keep your old HC around after the team finds a better one.
And isn’t a little bit of your post kind of extreme?
Jauron doesn’t have a clue when it comes to offense, how can he make a hire at OC when he doesn’t understand the basics?
Really, Jauron doesn’t understand the basics of offense? He’s been in the league for 32 years and doesn’t know the basics? He played some offense in college, played against offenses as a DB, coached against offenses as a DB and DC and has been a HC for almost 9 seasons. And he doesn’t have a clue about offense?
To coach a defense, don’t you need to know about offense? How can one be a defensive mastermind without understanding how offenses work? Is it even possible to scheme for a defense without understanding the basics of what the opposing offense does?
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Dudes – y’all have got to leave the delusion that Jauron is going anywhere anytime soon at the door.
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Seriously...
It’s like no one’s even giving Jauron and this team an opportunity to win games now.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 2, 2009 7:10 AM EDT reply actions
are you serious? he has 3 years to win games, and after what I am proposing 3 and 1/4 years of games with a horrible record.
… he said win games now.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 2, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s also had three years in which he’s never lost fewer than 7 games and it’s pretty tough to fire a coach on pace for 7 wins during the middle of the season. I know the results havn’t been good, but they havn’t been fire him a month into the season bad either.
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Maybe someone could start an open thread for these sorts of posts. 2 of the last 3 fan posts have been about firing Jauron. I’m sympathetic to the sentiment but this is getting tedious.
Well, strap yourself in because it’s only going to get worse, regardless of whether or not the Bills win some games.
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I think this is an obvious no
but if he does lose these two games it will be increasingly likely he will be gone after the season
"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-
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and paragraphs. makes it easier to read ( I didn’t go to yale either)
Plug these players in the Colts scheme and they would win the superbowl hands down
I don’t see how that’s possible – maybe replacing their WR2 with TO – but Clark is better than any TE we have and i’d be hard pressed to say that Evans is better than Wayne. I’m not sure that’s a good call
expect them to run a ton of wildcat and limit Hene to just handing off the ball, for at least this week
or you can expect them to do the complete opposite and come out firing – catch the defense off balance. remember, this ‘phins team isn’t all that great – so they throw wrinkles to try and outcoach a team. i expect them to come out throwing pass after pass just to keep the Bills D honest.
Because realistically, we should of won the Pats game, and we were in the Saints game-but Edwards couldn’t do anything
so wait a minute – we should have won those games but because we didn’t Jauron should be fired? so we beat 2 teams that most picked to go to the super bowl but Jauron should be fired? even when it was McKelvins fumble against the Pats and edwards inability to do anything against the saints……. seems a little back and forth to me
Dick and Trent have no excuses this year, you win or your gone.
this I agree with – but still not sure what Ralph will do. remember this team is getting stronger – another season with some key vets and draft picks and this team could be rock solid in Ralphs mind
I am so clever that sometimes I don’t understand a single word of what I am saying
Trent Edwards - Backup QB until furthur notice. Care to prove me wrong Trent?
remember, this ‘phins team isn’t all that great – so they throw wrinkles to try and outcoach a team.
Ah, to be able to outcoach another team…wouldn’t that be awesome?
I remain convinced that somehow Drew Rosenhaus negotiated a playing time deal for Roscoe into the contract for TO.
by thefourwinds on Oct 2, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
yea we should have won those games and we should have won a bunch of the close ones two years ago. Bad teams with BAD coaches find a way to lose.
I don’t see how you can say that the coaches were to blame for the NE loss. But you say Tomato I say something else
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Trent Edwards - Backup QB until furthur notice. Care to prove me wrong Trent?
by J2 on Oct 2, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
If they don't win this year.
I am all for getting rid of Jauron but not Trent.
Trent belongs in a west coast offense, this is still mostly the greatest show on turf offense that the PTB thought losman could run.
I would like to see Trent in a WC offense, he won’t be called captain checkdown if he hits a 5 yard slat route in stride for a 80 yd TD.
Most of the people here would be calling Joe Montana in his prime captain checkdown if he had to operate in this offense.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 3, 2009 3:21 AM EDT up reply actions
this is
completely assinine. My advice to you is let things play out. I GUARANTEE YOU, this BLOG will be loving life if we squish the fish Sunday. So stop the incredulous FIRE JAURON posts, and cheer for your squad….it’s WEEK 4 for God’s sake
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disagree
this post is centered around the fact IF we lose the next two games, then what do we think will happen. While I agree that people will change their attitudes with a win this Sunday, that is not the premise of this post.
If we lose to Miami and Cleveland (at home), then that certainly might be embarrassing enough for Mr. Wilson to pull the plug on Jauron. 1-5 and losing to a really bad Cleveland at home would be pretty bad. And it just might be what it takes to get rid of DJ.
Dick Jauron Doesn't Call the Plays
That’s the offensive coordinator’s job, not the head coach.
"Potential just means you haven’t done sh## yet"
Exactly...
And Van Pelt IS a new hire. People want change, but then have no patience to see things through.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 2, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Well said
And to be perfectly honest, after seeing Ron’s review of the game, it was stunning to see that most drives were killed by drops, penalties, mental errors, not as it would seem everyone is making it out to be, play-calling.
"Potential just means you haven’t done sh## yet"
These fan posts are getting to the point where I don’t even want to look at the fan section – I agree with whoever said there should be a post just for whoever wants to write these things.
And I voted NO for the same reason why Ralph kept DJ for this year in the first place…
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Dead man walking
Seems to me these are arguments over a moot point.
(1) I think it’s really, really unlikely they’d fire Jauron mid-season, no matter how many games they lose. I mean he’d have to have a Mangini-like meltdown and totally lose the team (not going to happen), at which point the season would be down the drain as well, so why bother throwing in an assistant to ride out the rest of the year?
(2) If the Bills miss the playoffs, and especially if they have another losing season, it’s almost a sure thing he’s not coming back.
(3) Much as I still hold out a tiny bit of hope, the Bills have very little chance of making the playoffs. And they are probably going to have a losing season.
Ergo, Jauron is gone a the end of the season anyway.
I actually like Jauron, at least as a defensive coach, but this is his last chance with this team. He’s going to be moving on. Am I wrong with that analysis? So what else is there to go on about?
by Applsoss on Oct 2, 2009 1:01 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
From your lips to God’s ears, my friend.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 2, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I totally agree with you
That there is a 98% probability that this is the way that it will play out.
Either believe in your team or don’t coach it
FEED the BEAST!
Yep.....very true, but
Somehow, I doubt we have seen the last of this topic.
Poor ball security leads to very painful outcomes
My question is, what does Ralph Wilson or the Bills organization have to gain by firing Jauron in the middle of the season? This is not the time to pick up a long-term coach. An assistant will have to ride out the year and somehow preserve the morale of the players. The players are going to play hard with their coach, without him they may see the season as more or less irrelevant. In that way, firing Jauron in midseason may cause us to crash harder.
There seems to be a consensus that no playoffs = no Jauron. The only difference lies in when the plug is pulled. Though changes should be sweeping, they should not be done rashly. A 7-9 or worse season is cause for house cleaning, but it is not cause for doing so in a panic-stricken fashion. Ralph does well to maintain good form, for the sake of the confidence and pride our franchise has in its capacity to function. It would communicate a poor message to act rashly in the middle of the season. We are not Oakland. Therefore we don’t act like we are. We don’t dump all courage and confidence in our ability to operate just because we’ve screwed up recently.
Mmmph rrgh prrmf! - someone with his mouth gagged
On the bright side.....we would get a better draft pick :-)
Poor ball security leads to very painful outcomes
I just KNEW someone was going to say that....I knew it
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by Dyl on Oct 3, 2009 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Well then you should have said it earlier and saved me the trouble :-)
Poor ball security leads to very painful outcomes
This is not the time to pick up a long-term coach.
With guys like Cowher, Gruden, Schottenheimer & Shannahan currently available, I think you are wrong. It actually could be a positive thing because we give the new guys more time to assess his team and prepare for the offseason/next season.
just because we’ve screwed up recently.
3 1/2 year years is more than just recently
Either believe in your team or don’t coach it
FEED the BEAST!
By “not the time” I mean the middle of the season. New coaches are not hired in mid-season, I’d be surprised if that ever happened. How prepared could they possibly be with an alien team and coaching staff being thrust into games? So regardless of who’s available, they’re not going to sign with us in the middle of the season. If that were a possibility, lots of teams would be dropping their coaches.
Mmmph rrgh prrmf! - someone with his mouth gagged
by Dyl on Oct 3, 2009 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I think it could happen. What would be their incentive? money. Caliber coaches make between 3-5M and TV contracts pay a lot less. Coming in mid-way in the season, nobody could really expect anything from them so there really isn’t any pressure. They get the rest of the season to really assess what they have. You could compare it to a free play when the defense jumps offside.
If we lose 2 of the next 3, keeping Jauron serves exactly no purpose so why not give the new guy a head start?
Either believe in your team or don’t coach it
FEED the BEAST!
Thinking back only one three year administration, that is pretty recent as far as coaching decisions go.
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by Dyl on Oct 3, 2009 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions
“We don’t dump all courage and confidence in our ability to operate just because we’ve screwed up recently.”
What I am trying to say is that this is the sign of self-confidence, of manhood. In franchises, it is the same way as in individuals. Self-confidence is attractive, whether your contemporaries are adolescents or grown football players and owners. We do well to maintain calm, even in the need to make large-scale change.
Mmmph rrgh prrmf! - someone with his mouth gagged
We do well to maintain calm
I don’t equate a change as anarchy, I equate it as an acknowledgment of an error committed last year and rectifying it promptly in order to restore hope for the future.
Either believe in your team or don’t coach it
FEED the BEAST!
But operating without a head coach for half a season is anarchy. . .no one’s jumping on the train in the middle of the season, and Bobby April would have to be an interim head. While there would be a head coach technically in name, that’s still playing Mr. Potato Head with the pieces of the body.
Mmmph rrgh prrmf! - someone with his mouth gagged
by Dyl on Oct 3, 2009 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions
The only way this move is made midseason is if
Brandon has talked with some of the big named coaches out there and gotten strong indications that they would take the job.
Poor ball security leads to very painful outcomes
Exactly
If Ralph goes after one of the bigger names he needs to open up his pocketbook (I know, highly unlikely) but if he did, then these guys wouldn’t give up the chance to make 3-5M, so I think it is quite possible that we could get a guy mid-season. Even guys like gruden that have TV contracts, I’m sure they have a clause for this type of thing, he’s a coach after all and he cannot limit his earning potential by accepting much lesser tv deals.
Eitherway, I think it is possible.
Either believe in your team or don’t coach it
FEED the BEAST!
no one’s jumping on the train in the middle of the season
We disagree I get it, discussion is over.
Either believe in your team or don’t coach it
FEED the BEAST!
When has a head coach ever signed onto a new team in the middle of the season in NFL history? I’d like it to happen as much as you. I’m not disagreeing with you that it should happen.
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by Dyl on Oct 3, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
At least your open minded about it. Are you sure it’s never happened before? I can’t see why not? I certainly agree that we could not go pluck a coach from another team but hiring someone currently taking time off, I certainly cannot see a reason why it would/could not happen. Money is money, if Ralph offers it, I’m sure they’d jump on it. The question remains if Ralph would ever step up to the plate properly and pay the right amount to get the right guy…
Either believe in your team or don’t coach it
FEED the BEAST!
Well there is one down
I think if we lose next week they fire dick and promote bobby april. I am hoping they lose just for the sake of the teams future. After this year plays out with april, we finally sign a good coach, because this is a copy cat league. We may finally be decent with a guy like Gruden or Shannahan.
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