Bills' O-Line set for more change heading to Miami

by Brian Galliford on Oct 2, 2009 1:01 PM EDT in News Comment 77 comments

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The NFL off-season is well behind us, considering nearly a quarter of the regular season is gone, and during that excruciatingly long time frame, the Buffalo Bills made some pretty massive changes to their offensive line - changes that discouraged many experts from being much more than skeptical about the Bills' 2009 prospects.

Buffalo had it hard enough opening training camp this past July with such massive changes to overcome. Unfortunately for the team, those changes have not stopped - and entering a critical Week 4 matchup with the Miami Dolphins, Buffalo will be fielding its most questionable offensive line in recent memory, particularly at tackle.

Demetrius Bell, who usurped Langston Walker as the left tackle of choice in Buffalo this pre-season, missed his third straight day of practice on Friday as he continues to deal with a groin injury he picked up in last week's loss to New Orleans. Bell is out for the Miami game (along with Donte Whitner, Bryan Scott and John McCargo, by the way). That means that Buffalo's top three tackles when the pre-season opened - Walker, Bell and Brad Butler - won't be available this week. (Butler is lost for the season). Heading into Miami, Jonathan Scott and Kirk Chambers will be charged with shutting down what is sure to be a blitz-happy Dolphins pass rush.

Charting the change
Last season, Buffalo's tackles were Jason Peters, Langston Walker, Kirk Chambers and Jonathan Scott. Yes, Bell was on the team, but as he never dressed for a game, he doesn't really count.

Peters was traded in April. Buffalo didn't actually bring a tackle in, electing to shift Walker to the left side and move Butler - a natural tackle who spent his first three years at guard - to the right side. The change didn't stop, however, as Buffalo elected to start the season with Bell on the left side.

Buffalo has transitioned from Peters to Walker to Bell and now to Scott at left tackle. (Thankfully, the final transition appears to be very temporary.) On the right side, there hasn't been the same quantity of change (Butler to Scott to Chambers - and again, the last transition is temporary), but they'll play in Miami with a guy who wasn't an initial part of their 53-man roster at right tackle.

Oh, and Jamon Meredith - a green-as-Bell rookie out of South Carolina - is our swing tackle for this week. Trent Edwards: check your health insurance policy before you hop on that plane for Miami International.

How this affects the Miami game plan
I could say this all myself, but why do that when Jim Kelly is a far more convincing figure? (Not that y'all need convincing.) In an exclusive to BuffaloBills.com, Kelly mentions the following as just the biggest of many downfalls to the current situation at tackle:

Alex (Van Pelt) and his fellow offensive coaches will have to start with their protections and go from there. They’re going to have make sure their protections are sound and then see what’s realistic to run off of that. So they may not be able to go into Sunday’s game with a full out game plan like when you have an offensive line that’s not in a state of flux due to injury.

There are obvious consequences to the continuity on an already-discontinuous offense front, and the whole young players (i.e. Bell) in need of reps at the positions that they'll be playing long-term issue, too. But those aren't the immediate issue. Winning in Miami is, and this doesn't help - in fact, it could be extremely detrimental.

Despite the fact that Joey Porter may miss the game, Miami's defense remains big and physical on the line, and fast and athletic (oh, and big) at rush linebacker. Their pass rush has been stagnant to this point, but does that really matter considering the youth of Buffalo's offensive line and their even bigger issue at tackle? Considering how mightily Buffalo struggled against an athletic New Orleans front last week, the matchup with Miami isn't particularly encouraging this week, either.

Buffalo has a chance to put up plenty of big plays this week against a Miami defense that has surrendered them routinely this season. They certainly have the skill players at running back and receiver to get the job done. But Trent Edwards will need to be upright - or display an ability to quickly diagnose a defense we have rarely seen from him to this point - to make those plays this week. This is a must-win game against a beatable opponent, but the biggest issue entering Miami is whether or not our quarterback will live to see Week 5. Mr. Scott? Mr. Chambers? Please don't suck on Sunday.

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These developments will cause Jauron to move further into his white hoodie and begin punting on first and second down.

by quantumuprising on Oct 2, 2009 1:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Guess I shouldn’t have hoped that the first comment in a thread that has nothing to do with Dick Jauron would not be about Dick Jauron. :)

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by Brian Galliford on Oct 2, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

lol – you get nothing – you lose – good day sir

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Trent Edwards - Backup QB until furthur notice. Care to prove me wrong Trent?

by J2 on Oct 2, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

one can only hope brian…

"Potential just means you haven’t done sh## yet"

by willgarr15 on Oct 2, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

sorry, i really didn’t mean it to be that way, i just wanted to get in something about a super conservative use of the offensive line.

by quantumuprising on Oct 2, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well, you’re certainly right in that respect. It’ll be an ultra-conservative game plan. Fred Jackson’s importance just skyrocketed.

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by Brian Galliford on Oct 2, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

also, it would be a great day for shawn nelson to figure in a healthy dose – a lot of clark/whitten type plays – stay in and chip, then hit the flat for 5-10 yards

by quantumuprising on Oct 2, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Lynch might get more reps than we think

"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-

by billsoferie on Oct 2, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’d bet that Lynch gets a lot of playing time and carries too. But I think it’ll be Fred Jackson getting the screens, check downs, and draws out of the shotgun. With this OL, I’d bet that Jackson catches 6 or more passes despite Lynch’s presence.

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by kaisertown on Oct 2, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Lynch isn’t a bad receiver option either…

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by UZ on Oct 3, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well, for Dick Jauron’s sake I’d better not be, because we need, I can’t stress that enough, to go deep to T.O. and Lee, if it kills us. If our approach is what you expect it to be, in other words typical ultra-conservative Dick Jauron-mode on offense, then I can assure you already that we’ll lose this game. Yeah, we need to run the football, but we damn as hell need to go deep, too, because that will make us a potentially very strong offensive team. Of course, what we also need is for those O-line, whose job it is to protect the QB (something Sean Kugler need to reiterate to them after last week’s horrendous performance), to actually protect Trent, so that he gets some time to throw the football. Additionally, we need to seriously cut down on the penalties, because we aren’t going to win many games in this league, when we make 10-12 penalties per game. If DJ had any sensibility left, that would be the first and last thing he stressed this week to the young guys in particular.

by BillsfanfromDenmark on Oct 2, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Mr. Scott? Mr. Chambers? Please don’t suck on Sunday.

I’ll echo that X 100

chambers at RT is o.k. for me – it’s the LT position i’m worried about – but haven’t we been worried all season about that position? Chambers is probably a better RT than Scott anyways so that’s a lateral move isn’t it?

Keep a TE and RB in to help Trent and he’ll be slinging that all over the field.

27-17 Buffalo

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by J2 on Oct 2, 2009 1:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Nothing more than a three step drop.

It doesn’t matter who our offensive line will be, the dolphins will plan to rage havoc on Trent all day. He hasn’t demonstrated the down field attack in his carrer, although he may be fortunate a couple times a game, that the dolphins will apply the pressure on the check downs and in the back field. You hit the nail on the head Brian, Trent will have to read and interpret correctly or it could be the longest day. I still believe it will come down to field goals, we haven’t had one of those games yet but this could be the game that Rian Lindell needs to be perfect from the moment he wakes up in the morning.

Excuses are a sign of weakness!!!!!!

by VanScottM on Oct 2, 2009 1:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

how bout

running a no huddle shotgun that looks like this. evans O L I N E Nelson Owens

jackson edwards lynch

dolphins will need to wear depends looking at that formation all game

Starting a movement to draft Jimmy Clausen in april, he'll be the 2nd coming of Kelly, the saviour of the Bills

by J. Mackin on Oct 2, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

that would take creativity and balls

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by billsoferie on Oct 2, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

why did our conditioning staff win an award wnen we keep having all these injuries?

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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Oct 2, 2009 1:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

For saving Kevin Everett’s ability to walk?

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by Brian Galliford on Oct 2, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And his life

~K
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by Kurupt on Oct 2, 2009 2:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs

Peeing while standing is cool O.o

by teq on Oct 2, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And with that, foot (or post) goes in mouth.

by Der Jaeger on Oct 2, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’m no Doctor…so maybe someday, someone can explain to me what conditioning has to do with torn knee ligaments (Butler and Schouman), a broken leg (McKelvin), a shoulder injury (Nelson), a sprained ankle (Scott), a thumb injury (Whitner), and a broken arm (Poz).

So easy Marshawn Lynch can do it.

by thatguy34 on Oct 2, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

fill me in when you figure it out!

"Potential just means you haven’t done sh## yet"

by willgarr15 on Oct 2, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

it has almost everything to do with it, except maybe in the case of pos and whitner.

for twists and sprains, the surrounding muscles help to stabilize the joints, so if you have stronger leg muscles around your ankle, there’s less of a chance you sprain it, etc. Thats why, contrary to popular belief, most doctors DONT want basketball players and volleyball players, etc, to wear ankle braces in high school. The brace actually forces the ankles to rely less on themselves for support, and most athletes have significant muscle/support loss. The same can be said of shoulders and elbows. also, flexibility training helps a lot to prevent injuries. the further you can bend, the further you can go before you strain something.

In terms of the knee injuries – i’m not going to say they were preventable, because both were pretty bad. In butler’s case, that’s why you see every offensive lineman in FBS (or D-1, whatever) football wearing braces on both knees – you just can’t do much when you get rolled up on from behind. Same for shou, just a bad situation. however, some knee injuries, like hardy’s (and mine, when i did it), can be attributed to weakened supporting muscles around the knee that let it bend/flex in ways it shouldnt. Thats why there is such an increased number of acl injuries among girls – they have normal quads, but for genetic reasons their hamstrings aren’t as strong, and their knees don’t get the support they need.

by quantumuprising on Oct 2, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

So the Bills conditioning staff can be blamed for injuries because their muscles supporting and stabilizing joints are too weak? I highly doubt that. It is true that a regular joe like myself has a better chance of spraining my ankle than an NFL player, but I find it hard to believe that the Bills players have generally weaker supporting muscles than the rest of the NFL. Injuries happen. Period.

"Potential just means you haven’t done sh## yet"

by willgarr15 on Oct 2, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

um, listen to yourself. that’s exactly what i’m saying. if the bills S&C staff doesn’t incorporate stretches and exercises that specifically incorporate these muscles, then yes, they are to blame. Or, it could perhaps be they are doing them on a poor time frame. I tore my ACL because I had done a super-heavy leg workout and then decided to play basketball. My leg muscles were weak and that caused me to not have the support i normally have. Yes, NFL injuries happen, but when it happens time and again to different guys on the same squad, you have to start asking questions.

Also, to completely absolve the conditioning staff from all responsbility is ridiculous as well.

by quantumuprising on Oct 2, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

For example, maybe they say, hey guys, make sure you balance out your squats with hamstring curls. maybe the guys go super heavy on teh squat (cause its a power exercise) and kind of blow off the hamstring exercises (cause lets be honest, they are girly exercises). that could lead to serious problems. even having a 55-45 disparity between quad strength and hamstring strength increases the potential for injury on a large scale.

by quantumuprising on Oct 2, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

nice reply

Makes a ton of sense.

I think its part bad luck and part underwhelming training staff. This team just has so many injuries year after year that it has to go beyond bad luck…

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by Kurupt on Oct 2, 2009 2:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs

Certainly, there is something to what you’re saying. You make valid points…but stating

it has almost everything to do with it.

is an extreme exaggeration. Even if some (not all) of these injuries can be attributed to weaker stabilizing muscles, the Bills medical staff isn’t responsible for the players 365 days a year. Most of these players are working out on their own for 6 or 7 months (in the Bills case) out of the year. Its their training in the off-season where they’re adding bulk and the potential for an imbalance occurs.

But, I don’t mean to completely absolve the training staff. They very much could be contributing to the problem, but nobody here has that knowledge. Its ridiculous that some people see an injured player and make some statement about the medical staff.

Take a look around the league. Every team has the same type of injuries that the Bills are experiencing. They are not some sort of anomaly.

So easy Marshawn Lynch can do it.

by thatguy34 on Oct 2, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

agreed. i’m wondering why the league then didn’t fold by 1975 or so because weight training and health conditioning was rudimentary at best. nobody could have fielded a team. everyone’s knees would have been shot.

by LeClaireBill on Oct 2, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

you guys like my new profile picture?

its like im walking into heaven wearing my fred jackson jersey

by The Wagon on Oct 2, 2009 1:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

i think my new one is better. 1 hour in ms paint for beast mode awesomeness.

by quantumuprising on Oct 2, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That is talent

"Potential just means you haven’t done sh## yet"

by willgarr15 on Oct 2, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

BEEF MOE! (in Chipmunk voice)

by XtrmeCarnage82 on Oct 2, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

Rec’d.

I remain convinced that somehow Drew Rosenhaus negotiated a playing time deal for Roscoe into the contract for TO.

by thefourwinds on Oct 2, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Very good.

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jb

by thurman on Oct 2, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’ve always liked my BuffaLOL

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by UZ on Oct 3, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Is this what...

Rock Bottom feels like for a sports fan? This team just continues to circle the toilet.

Before anyone tells me “Injuries are part of the game” I understand that, HOWEVER this is becoming ridiculous. It’s just odd to me that since 2006 (a certain coaches 1st year) that injuries of just PLAGUED this team.

by Michael_Necci on Oct 2, 2009 1:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

So now we are at Rock Bottom?? 1-2 with 2 very close losses to good teams is not rock bottom in my mind. Also, you’re trying to tell me that somehow it is also Jauron’s fault that we keep having injuries???
I didn’t think it was possible, but the Jauron bashing has just reached a new level…

"Potential just means you haven’t done sh## yet"

by willgarr15 on Oct 2, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I never said that

this team DOES NOT beat teams w/ winning records. It just doesn’t. 2-21, and if New England the Saints finish w/ a winning record you can make it 2-23. So yeah, @ 1-2 w/ starters dropping like flies and this team showing no signs of life last week, yeah rock bottom is coming.

I never said it was Jauron’s fault for the injuries, I’m just saying ever since he came aboard, injuries have riddled this team.

by Michael_Necci on Oct 2, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I never said it was Jauron’s fault for the injuries, I’m just saying ever since he came aboard, injuries have riddled this team.

So you’re not saying it but you’re blaming him….

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 3, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The entire FO is to blame

…for not addressing the line issue with quality depth and experience. Jauron has a big hand in that, but he’s not alone.

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by NJBill on Oct 2, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Jauron needs to stop taking tire irons to guys after practice. At least he’s showing some fire and emotion for God’s sake….

Do I need the /sarcasm?

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 3, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think this week will be...

ugly. I think this game will be something like 9-6 with most of the points resulting from turnovers and field position. I am really, really worried that Trent won’t make it through this game and Fitz will be finishing this one up for us. I have to agree with VanScott, they need to stick with the 3 step drops and the run game. Get the ball out of Trent’s hands quickly. Run the slants, hooks and curls. Then occassionally try to take a shot deep.

I have a bad feeling about this week.

by CBATL32 on Oct 2, 2009 1:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I’m starting to feel the odds might be about 3 to 2 that our D outscores our O

by Posluszny Pollocks on Oct 2, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’m fine with that.

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by UZ on Oct 3, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Coulda, shoulda, woulda with Oher its looking like. The lack of depth has crept up, but what can ya do?!?

I’d say we need Trent to make quick reads and decisions, but all that’s going to lead to is more targets fior Fine. Somehow.the OL needs to protect long enough to give Trent the opportunity to beat the susceptible Dolphins secondary down the field.

I’d like to see some draws or even a shovel pass to take the edge rushers out of the play and giving the team the chance to move the ball out of passing looks.

~K
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by Kurupt on Oct 2, 2009 2:15 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs

When I saw that draw in the NE game, I almost wet meself. I thought it was Thurman on the field.

AVP’s play calling really lost it’s imagination against NO.

Hope he gets it back for Sunday.

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by NeverendingOptimism on Oct 2, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The cool thing about Trent is

That nobody knows what it looks like when he goes deep, there is so little footage on that that teams can’t game plan against it. Maybe, just maybe with double TE sets & lynch helping out in the protection…

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by keysh67 on Oct 2, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You are correct in saying "what can you do?"

If we drafted Oher, people could’ve said we didn’t address our pass rush.

by Der Jaeger on Oct 2, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

If Oher was playing RT instead of Butler wouldn’t he have ended up wout for the year, too? Or would Oher have been playing LT?

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 3, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Doesn't matter

it’s not like the same exact chain of events would have occurred so that the RT would hurt his knee no matter what…

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Oct 3, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I get that.

You are always the one to take the wait and see approach, K, and this time you aren’t because it suits your purpose. Can you really say shoulda coulda woulda on Oher right now after three games? Doesn’t sound like you.

I thought Chambers was good depth. Scott too. How many team would be successful with their third and fourth OTs playing? How much depth can you realistically have?

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 4, 2009 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well I was a fan of a Oher going into the draft, not a huge fan, but thought he was going to be a solid player. It’s not like I’m coming out of the woodwork supporting him.

Coulda, shoulda, woulda so soon, I know. I’m not saying we made a mistake or the Ravens got a future HOF. It’s just leaving a queasy feeling in my pre-beer filled belly that Oher has come in, and helped solidify one of the tackle positions for Baltimore, while Maybin has done nothing (and looked overmatched much of the time) and our OT’s keep dropping like flies. Remember, Butler isn’t exactly the most durable player ever to don a Bills uni, and Bell’s improving game and physique leaves him more open to injury than most, IMO. It might not make much sense, but I think with Bell still needing to add weight and some strength, while needing to really polish technique, he seems more vulnerable to injury than others.

Maybe I stepped on the Jump to Conclusions mat a little premature, but I like to base my opinions on what I see and how I think that projects to the future. Oher looks good, Maybin looks overmatched and our OT’s seem injury prone. It’s tough not to say coulda, woulda, shoulda here, but I still have plenty of hope for our guys, so don’t take my comments as me being upset with what we have.

I made the original comment mostly because of how well Oher is playing, and that our injury woes at the position don’t necessarily seem like a one time thing. It’s not because I don’t think Bell and Butler could be a good pair of bookends for us, because I do think they can be if they can stay on the field.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Oct 4, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

If it makes you feel any better...

Scott played Left tackle all through college, so it is his original side. Enough with the negativity…lets just pray and think good thoughts. We may be pleasantly surprised. GO BILLS! The reallllll pressure is on AVP….he has the world on his shoulders right about now. Wouldn’t want to be him right now.

by Jaynice on Oct 2, 2009 3:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

with no OL

we have no chance. Trent is a late decision maker. He likes short underneath throws obviously. I expect we the same offensive performance we saw against NO. You just have to hope, one of our playmakers turns a short pass into a big play. If Edwards keeps taking hits like he did vs NO, he may not make it out alive vs MIAMI

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by MARVelous on Oct 2, 2009 4:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Trent is a late decision maker.

Uh, what? Trent, like any other QB, is at his best when he’s making quick decisions. Which is why he looked so lost when D’s dropped 7/8 into coverage and made him go through all of his reads, as opposed to just 1 or 2. Not sure where you got that one from.

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by Brian Galliford on Oct 2, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think his biggest weakness is anticipation

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by J2 on Oct 2, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think you said it well with this one…

by Slick Shifty on Oct 2, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And Confidence going deep.

Excuses are a sign of weakness!!!!!!

by VanScottM on Oct 2, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

well

the kid holds it FOREVER. that’s where I got that one…. even when a guy IS open, he still pats the ball and holds it. I think that is his weakness….when he starts to think, and needs daylight he is a terrible decision maker which is why when 8 guys drop into coverage he is soo bad….he doesn’t stick it into windows…he holds, holds, taps, taps….etc…..I think he is a late decision maker big time

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by MARVelous on Oct 2, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Totally agreed

And he’s terrible at anticipating

~K
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by Kurupt on Oct 2, 2009 6:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs

You win the run on sentence award.

Run the tape again. Pats on the ball, unless you’re Drew Bledsoe, almost always mean the QB was going to throw but decided not to.

Coverages dictate throws. I’ve not seen a single game show any trend of Edwards making slow decisions.

Teams drop 8 into coverage because they know Edwards tends to check to open receivers. 8 in coverage makes that exceedingly difficult for anyone. The idea is that the QB can never really put together a string to great throws, stalling the drive at some point and forcing a punt.

Watch Peyton Manning in 2003, 2004, and 2006 in the playoffs against New England. That’s exactly what happened. The Pats made one of the best QB’s ever look average with a combination of weather and dropping 8 in the first two games. Manning only beat them two years later, and needed a frantic 4th quarter comeback to win.

I disagree with your assessment of Edwards.

by Der Jaeger on Oct 2, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

with the OL – the interior is healthy so thats good.

In my mind – the RT is a wash between scott and chambers. chambers might even be better – so it’s really the LT position that could screw us.

as long as we take that into consideration we should be o.k.

with the safety positition – they’ve been playing cover 2 since high school so Byrd should have a good idea of what to do and Wilsons’ been int he system so he knows as well.

not ideal – but if they limit mistakes we still should win the game

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by J2 on Oct 2, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’m not so sure the interior is healthy. Hangartner got pushed around far more than he normally does last week, which probably had a lot to do with his injured back. And those shotgun snaps that bounced along the ground in the fourth quarter were not coming from someone who was 100%. I’m actually more worried about him than anyone else on the o-line.

That said, Jim Kelly’s quote is full of wisdom and everyone keeps ignoring it. If the protections aren’t there AVP HAS to pull back on his playcalling. Kelly as a veteran QB who has seen it all speaks the truth there. It’s safe to assume that if that happens there will be all kinds of complaints from Bills fans that Trent wasn’t throwing downfield and that AVP wasn’t letting him. Anyone who understands the game of fotball knows that Kelly is right and that the main problem resides in the o-line, not the QB or OC.

by Macktruck on Oct 2, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

agree

we must break some tackles to win this week

by weswed51 on Oct 3, 2009 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

agree 100%

They have to scale back. 3-step drops, pound the ball inside and then play-action. Obviously they want to strike deep, but it will take some creativity to buy Edwards the time for that.

by Sixteenthback on Oct 3, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Penalties

Bills at this time are the most penalized team in the league. Offensive line has to play smarter. Penalties too often put the team in the hole and lead to turnovers. Lets hope this problem gets fixed in a hurry.

by penance on Oct 2, 2009 5:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

BTW

Which penalty was it that Bell got hurt on? Sounded funnier in my head, but what the heck.

Why do today, when it can wait til tomorrow; the games on!

by UtahBillsFan on Oct 2, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Three desperate options

1. Start Fitz: to test the waters and see if it’s safe for Edwards to be on the field.
2. Use the Wildcat all game long: QB survival assured.
3. Make Jamon Meredith TE for a day: protect QB’s blind side.

desperate times call for desperate measures, lol.

most of my posts get deleted :(

by dzil on Oct 2, 2009 9:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I sincerely doubt we’re that desperate.

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by Brian Galliford on Oct 3, 2009 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

was a joke

most of my posts get deleted :(

by dzil on Oct 3, 2009 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I would pay so much money to get inside the head of T.O. right now

I bet when he signed here, Rosenhaus told him “it’s six million… for a year… six million!! For a year! Take it! Take it! Take it!” And now, all the sudden, it’s like Buffalo’s only way to get him the ball effectively is by giving him an end around on the first play from scrimmage. 185 straight games with a catch? Doneski. Bills Football. Starting the season with essentially three rookies on the offensive line, then watching your two tackles get hurt? Bills Football. A rookie offensive coordinator hired on the week leading up to the first game, of whom who’s only experience is calling plays in Europe? Bills Football. The media not having anything to report about for a decade and then an unhappy T.O. falls into your lap? Bills Football. Oh man I bet he’s dying inside.

by Kooz on Oct 2, 2009 11:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I left my last post on my way to work without seeing a reply. I was not referring to the treatment a player receives AFTER being injured (which with Kevin took place in a hospital), but BEFORE the injury happens. it just seems like our players are not being pre-conditioned well. When one team suffers so many injuries all the time, you have to wonder…

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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Oct 3, 2009 1:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Well, no – the treatment that KE received that saved his life and his ability walk came directly on the field.

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by Brian Galliford on Oct 3, 2009 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

We need to use more deception in play calling..

Maybe using Lynch as a decoy and then pass out of a 2 back set..Can’t expect Marshawn to be in on too many plays after missing 3 weeks of practice..Put Him in and leave Him there and He’ll be on the DL next week,too..2 back set though might work if we use Fine on one side and spell Him with Lynch..Nelson in motion might be another way to keep the Miami D honest too..There’s ways to win this game,I just wonder if we have the creativity to do it..Just throwing ideas around is better than bashing these guys..We have what we have now,no sense in bashing the draft..We DO need conditioning help though..Guys need to know to pull their legs up when they get tackled,and arms in..Saves on a lot of ligament problems..Most of our guys are trying too hard to get the extra yard out of a play and we wind up losing them,or losing the ball..

by FanFromThe80s on Oct 3, 2009 10:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs