Linebacker trade possibilities before deadline this afternoon
We should know by the end of today if Roscoe Parrish is going anywhere via trade, or if the Buffalo Bills make a move for any players to help this injury-plagued team make a playoff run with a surprisingly soft upcoming schedule. While some point to our upcoming opponents' combined record to show that we face an easy road ahead, our biggest weakness is run defense, and our biggest strength is pass defense. Unfortunately, the teams we are set to face are all stellar running teams.
As the Jets, Dolphins, and Browns showed, we can be run on quite easily. With Chris Johnson, LenDale White, Maurice Jones-Drew, DeAngelo Williams, Jonathan Stewart, Steve Slaton, Ricky Williams, Ronnie Brown, Leon Washington and Thomas Jones again up on the schedule, if we do make a trade, it should be for a linebacker to help out with Kawika Mitchell down for the year and Keith Ellison not getting the job done in run support. Losing Kawika also hurts our pass rush, so I can see us looking for a player who can do that as well.
With that in mind, below are some likely and realistic targets I can see us trying to seal the deal on before the NFL's trade deadline - which just happens to be today - based on rumors and tidbits gathered of who’s on the block.
1. Antwan Barnes, LB, Baltimore Ravens: NFL Network reported that the Ravens backup linebacker Antwan Barnes is on the block. Although the 6'1", 245-pound backup has never started a game in his three seasons in the league, Barnes is said to possess good pass rushing skills. In five games with playing time this year, he has an interception and 7 tackles and notched two sacks as a backup in his rookie season. The Ravens need a returner and receiver depth, so I can see Parrish being involved here. Because Barnes is only 25 and has pretty decent potential, I also think a late rounder - maybe a seventh - would have to be thrown into the mix.
2. Kamerion Wimbley, LB, Cleveland Browns: A former first-round pick who has not quite lived up to expectations after a monstrous rookie season for the Browns is reportedly on the trade block – which is surprising considering he appears to finally be breaking out this year. Despite missing last game with the flu, he has 4 sacks (one on Trent Edwards) and 32 tackles in five games in 2009. Wimbley also has 4 sacks in '08, 5 sacks in '07 and 11 sacks in his rookie year in '06. Mike Lombardi writes:
Tuesday is the trading deadline, but I’m not optimistic there will be many deals. The Browns can’t trade Josh Cribbs (I hear they won’t), but will try to move outside backer/defensive end Kamerion Wimbley, who missed Sunday’s game against the Steelers with the flu.
I’m not sure how effective Wimbley can be in a 4-3 (I believe he has only played in a 3-4, but correct me if I’m wrong please), but I would definitely put him in over Ellison or Palmer. The Browns already have a great return man in Cribbs and their special teams is fantastic, so Parrish isn’t an option here. We’d likely have to give up a lot get him, and with his stock so high, Mangini is obviously cashing in on a player that he didn’t draft while he can. I’d say a third and sixth would do it, though competition from 3-4 teams that are struggling to get to the passer (i.e. the Cowboys opposite DeMarcus Ware) could jack up the price to a third and a fifth. In my opinion, it is worth considering if the film shows he can be productive in a 4-3.
3. Also from Mike Lombardi: "If I were working in the NFL today, I might want to call the Titans since it looks like they might be offering all their players in a fire sale." Based on that I’m going to take some creative liberties here and say that David Thornton, a 30-year-old outside linebacker that measures in at 6’2", 225 pounds, can be had for a fourth or a fifth-round pick. The Titans are going to have to re-build their defense, and while Thornton has been a crowd favorite in Tennessee, he is aging, and a re-building team doesn’t tend to keep aging players when they are 0-6. I don’t see them trading franchise great Keith Bullock, but I do see them willing to give up the unspectacular but solid run stopping linebacker Thornton. He won’t make many big plays, but he is a solid tackler and will bolster a team's run defense. I like the sound of that.
Anyway, the deadline is this afternoon. If we don’t patch our run defense up, the upcoming schedule is quite terrifying. Quentin Groves is reportedly on the market, but I see no place for him here. Add any of your own targets if you've got them.
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Rotoworld.com is writing:
NFL Network’s Mike Lombardi reports that Chiefs LB Derrick Johnson would be available “for a mid-round pick” before Tuesday’s trade deadline.
Johnson’s best position is strong-side linebacker in a 4-3 system. Teams that would be a good fit include Chicago, St. Louis, Buffalo, Indianapolis and Oakland, but mid-round picks are still difficult for any club to surrender.
I’ll take “mid round” to mean a 4th rounder.
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by poz on Oct 20, 2009 6:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Go for it!!
Derrick Johnson all the way baby!!
I have nothing left to say, these Bills have sucked me dry of any hope. Loosing to a team that completes 2-17 for 23y with 1 INT, that is beyond pitiful!
by keysh67 on Oct 20, 2009 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Free Agent
I believe D.J. is a free agent after the season. For some reason, I just dont see the Bills putting up the cash to resign him. They would rather have outstanding players such as Marcus Buggs, Ashlee Palmer, Jon corto, and Keith Ellison
by MarkyMarkO on Oct 20, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not true. The Bills have signed free agents in the past. The vast majority of free agents bust, by the way, as the player was allowed to leave his old team for a reason. They re-signed Lee Evans, signed T.O., signed Kawika Mitchell, re-signed Terrence McGee… all these guys aren’t making peanuts. The two WRs alone are both in the top 15 in salary at their position.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 20, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about a 6th, Roscoe, and a box of Tic Tacs.
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by Joe P. on Oct 20, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah there you are Joe!
You’ve missed a good scatching discussion in Marvelous’ article above mine on the front page. With so much anger, jokes, back and forths, and tirades I swear I began asking where the heck the biting commentary and hilarious cynicism was. Then I realized “where the heck is Joe P?” Glad you came out man. Go check it out, that discussion is made for you!
The no huddle is gone, please sign tackles Runyan, Jones or Walker
by poz on Oct 20, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks....been busy with
business and pleasure ;-)
Poor ball security leads to very painful outcomes
by Joe P. on Oct 20, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
for a tight end possibility
ESPN’s Adam Schefter believes that Randy McMichael could be on the trade block.
St. Louis probably couldn’t get more than a seventh-round pick for the contract-year 30-year-old with a $3.6M salary, but is facing another lost season. If McMike is dealt, they could go with Daniel Fells the rest of the way.
I would very much like Randy McMichael on this offense.
The no huddle is gone, please sign tackles Runyan, Jones or Walker
by poz on Oct 20, 2009 7:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would very much like Randy McMichael on this offense.
It’s certainly better than playing against him. That man tore us apart for the entire time he was with the Dolphins.
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by WhyBillsWhy on Oct 20, 2009 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Derrick Johnson Please
Believe he played alongside Kawika in 2006
by freddyjj on Oct 20, 2009 7:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Someone please!
Nice write-up Poz. Including Derrick Johnson, there are 4 good options. I wouldn’t mind collecting a 3-4 guy….for an eventual switch.
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by NJBill on Oct 20, 2009 8:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not a fan of the 30 front
I wrote fanpost a few months back about it. Defenses run in cycles. Remember when Jimmy Johnson’s version of the 4-3 was in vogue, rotating fast DL? Phily 46? Tampa 2? It’s all cyclical, and no defense is really better than another schematically.
The real reason that 3-4 teams are doing well defensively is the players. Cleveland’s 3-4 looks pitiful. GB’s isn’t doing that well either. KC has had some bad games. It’s about the players they don’t have.
Give me the Minnesota defense over anyone right now. Not because they play a variation of the Tampa 2, but because their starting 11 is awesome. If those 11 players played in a 46, 3-4, or any other defense, they’d still be great.
by Der Jaeger on Oct 20, 2009 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Giants D is the best in the league
another 4-3.
Cowboys are another 3-4 getting burned this year.
The no huddle is gone, please sign tackles Runyan, Jones or Walker
by poz on Oct 20, 2009 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I prefer what the Pats do: have players that allow you to run either a 3-4 or 4-3, and do so adeptly. At first glance, the Saints appear to be headed in this direction as well.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 20, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Imagine if we could get a player like Pat Williams to play here, oh wait Doooh!
by south123 on Oct 20, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
. . . imagine if we would’ve drafted a player like Haloti Ngata . . .
by Flutie Flakes on Oct 20, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Truer words have never been written than those of Der Jaeger, but I would add that one reason the Minnesota defense is so good is precisely that it is a modified Tampa 2. It has two big, powerful DT’s upfront to stop the run (something we desperately need) and it has its CB’s play man coverage as often as zone, while Perry Fewell’s CB’s seem to be in a loose, prevent-style zone, playing 7 to 8 yards off the receiver, most of the time. If we could only make those modifications our 4-3 defense would be just fine.
by Macktruck on Oct 20, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i like Wimbley or Johnson
well really anyone, we neeeed help at LB, i don’t see why we don’t do something now!
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by billsoferie on Oct 20, 2009 9:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If the Bills can trade Parrish for a LB, that’s fine, but I don’t think they should be trading anything better than a 6th rounder for players that wouldn’t be in the team’s plans over the next 3 years.
by Pistol on Oct 20, 2009 9:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Banta-Cain is available for nothing. Though he expects to be back with the Pawts.
http://www.nesn.com/2009/10/tully-bantacain-says-he-expects-to-rejoin-patriots.html
by twoeightnine on Oct 20, 2009 10:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Let's be honest
The Bills SHOULD trade Parrish and SHOULD trade for LB help. However, that means it definitely won’t happen. But….it sure would be nice to suprise us!
by Posluszny Pollocks on Oct 20, 2009 10:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They are actively attempting to trade Roscoe according to Buffalo Sports Daily. If they can’t get anything for him they won’t trade him. If they can, they will.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 20, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm OK with a draft pick for Parrish
A 4th rounder would be great. With the depth of the draft, a 4th rounder this year carries a similar grade to a 3rd rounder last year. Plus, that’s an extra pick to trade up with.
I don’t like trading for a pending UFA (Derrick Johnson) unless we are sure that we can re-sign him almost immediately.
by Der Jaeger on Oct 20, 2009 10:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Trades
I really don’t see any trade happening except to get rid of Roscoe.
I find it hard to believe a lame duck front office would be allowed to trade draft picks for veterans that may not fit with the scheme of the next coaching staff.
Barnes and Wimbley are 3-4 OLB’s at this point. I don’t see how they help us.
I don’t think adding a veteran like David Thornton or Derrick Johnson is going to magically solve the defense’s ills or make them playoff contenders. This team has WAY too many holes to be trading draft picks right now.
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by Kurupt on Oct 20, 2009 10:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
all rational points
and I agree with all of them. But this team has NO chance if it keeps letting up so many rushing yards. We are horrible in run D but excellent in pass D. If we could clog some holes agains the run we could be a very good defense. A small fact. We are only the fifth team in 65 years to give up the amount of yards on the ground that we did and win a game.
The no huddle is gone, please sign tackles Runyan, Jones or Walker
by poz on Oct 20, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To respond
I don’t think a vet LB is going to cure the run defense’s problems though. We aren’t allowing almost 200 yards rushing because Ashlee Palmer is playing. It’s the entire front 7 that’s been terrible defending the run. Ellison and Poz aren’t doing a good job either, and the front 4 hasn’t been making too many plays in the backfield either….
~K
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by Kurupt on Oct 20, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not looking for a cure...
Just a little improvement. What are the chances of a mid to late round pick next year curing our problems? Make a move – Use roscoe if possible. Season isn’t over yet, just a little help please!
by shouldbeworking on Oct 20, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
T.O.
Who here saw T.O. joining the Bills this year?
Jauron is up against it. I’m not saying something will happen, but these guys SHOULD know that they’d better make a move to improve this team.
by dav630 on Oct 20, 2009 11:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
shoulda coulda woulda ...didn't
yes they are all rational points. Therein lies the problem – rationAL! Also, logicAL, both words NOT in the Bills vocabulary. The only “AL” in the vocab is economicAL.
Odds are there will be no move to seek some help. A move would be as surprising as the TO signing.
Batta-Cain has been out there for several days. There are certainly others out there who could help. Besides a faulty offense, continuing to allow 250-300 yds. rushing per game is moronicAL.While an LB may not be the totAL answer, it is essentiAL.
by fansince60 on Oct 20, 2009 11:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
haha i like this comment
The no huddle is gone, please sign tackles Runyan, Jones or Walker
by poz on Oct 20, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tully Banta Cain was released by the Pats
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/10/20/banta-cain-might-have-some-leverage-1/
by Hassanali181 on Oct 20, 2009 12:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Didn't know where else to put this...
Sounds like it’s not happening. RT @MikeMiller12: @adam_schefter , so whats the deal with Roscoe Parrish? will he be traded?
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 20, 2009 2:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Whoopsie....
http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter/status/5024840376
That’s the link from Adam Schefter.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 20, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that didn’t last long. One day after releasing him, the Patriots resigned LB Tully Banta-Cain.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 20, 2009 3:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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