Please trade TO before the dealine

by keysh67 on Oct 20, 2009 10:56 AM EDT Comment 57 comments

There is no way that we can make the playoffs, let's be realistic and even if we did, it would be by pure luck and we'd get knocked out in the first round. Baltimore want's TO and we could probably get a 3rd rounder for him. This is how you build a football team by making the hard decisions. We have Stevie Johnson that could easily fill the void and now with Hardy coming off of the PUP list we need to find a way to get him into games as well. Stevie & James are the future not TO.

I read somewhere that the Bills FO would be affraid of the backlash because The TO signing is what sold out some many games, well they are sold out now so who cares? I care about the future. Getting a 3rd rounder for him makes a whole lot of sense and getting Stevie & James more playing time also makes a lot of sense. I also read that TO doesn't want to go to Baltimore, who cares? it's just business.

Obviously Jauron who probably gets fired at the end of the year would prefer keeping him and avoid the bad publicity but that's exactly where the problem is because this should be a GM decision and an easy one at that, trade him now while he has good value.

Great players can be had in rounds 3 & 4 like:

Elvis Dumervil, Mario Manningham, Leon Washington, Brandon Marshall, Owen Daniels, Frank Gore, Justin Tuck, Channing Crowder, Marion Barber, Kyle Orton, Brandon Jacobs just to name a few.

I really do not see the downside of trading TO today, I really don't. We are 2-4, he's caught 15 balls for 215 yards and 1TD - big deal! He's also dropped a lot more, too many actually. We don't have the QB to be able to get him the amount of attempts that he needs to be a positive for this team. Sending TO to Baltimore would be great for all parties involved. The Ravens get a great receiver that can make a big difference for them because Flaccoe has the arm and poise to get the ball downfield to TO on a regular basis. They also have a Defense that is aggressive and gets the ball back for them often. TO gets to go to a team that has an actual chance at going deep into the playoffs and the Bills get something in return for the $2.3M that it has already spent (that's $152,800 per reception).

Russ Brandon, please use your influence with Ralph and do the right thing, trade TO while it is still possible.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 20, 2009 11:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Nope. Can’t agree with trading him. I get the rationale and don’t disagree with it, and I don’t really have anything constructive to add on the other side of the argument that outweighs that rationale. This is just one topic that I can’t put my finger on my lack of objectivity, but I’d be really, super-duper upset if Owens was traded.

And it’s not happening, by the way.

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by Brian Galliford on Oct 20, 2009 11:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

WOW, I can’t believe that you are at a loss of words..

You know Brian, you and I have butted heads quite often in the past but I respect you enormously. I actually realized to what point that you were right about hiring a young bright GM first and then letting him build the team. Trading TO is the right thing to do and I think that deep down inside you know that I am right. I know that’s it’s tough to admit that this year is a wash but it is and a real GM would make this tough call, he’s be seeing way beyond this year.

I have nothing left to say, these Bills have sucked me dry of any hope. Loosing to a team that completes 2-17 for 23y with 1 INT, that is beyond pitiful!

by keysh67 on Oct 20, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Deep down inside, I understand the rationale behind trading him, and support it. I think there’s an argument to be made for keeping T.O., not the least of which is that he’s still one of the best receivers in NFL history, and his presence helps our offense. The fan base may have mailed the season in, but I assure you the team has not.

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by Brian Galliford on Oct 20, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

but I assure you the team has not.

I certainly hope not. Jauron should be trying to win every game, clear and simple and I woulod expect nothing less from him.

That’s where your point about hiring a strong GM comes in. This is a tough decision which the coach would obviously disagree with but a good decision nonetheless. Not having a GM is hurting us big time.

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by keysh67 on Oct 20, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think it’d be the WORST move the FO could make. The fanbase would be livid.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 20, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

why?

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by keysh67 on Oct 20, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It sets a precedence:

As an organization, you’ve asked fans to buy into the Owens signing. You’ve created merchandise around him and sparked one of the organization’s best years for season ticket sales as a direct result of his signing. He was brought in to assist the team with wins. So now you trade him and say…“whoops, our bad. This season’s over. Thanks for your money.” It’d appear as though Owens is the problem, when in reality, he isn’t.

Additionally: how could the team dump Owens but retain Jauron?

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 20, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

First, I’m sorry that you purchased his jersey. I for one did not because I knew it was short term.

Managing a football team is not easy. I seriously doubt that people bought tickets only to see TO, they bought tickets because they were exited about the outlook for the season. Most fans would agree that we’ve been horrible this year and that our chances are extremely slim at best. Add the mounting injuries to the list and our season is basically over.

As a fan, I expect a FO that acts responsibly and in the best interest of the club for the future, not trying to avoid negative publicity.

Additionally: how could the team dump Owens but retain Jauron?

What does one have to do with the other? I am not suggesting to trade TO because he’s the problem, I’m suggesting to trade him because we are unable to use him properly and he’s wasted in this offense and we can get fair value for him in return, which will benefit our team next year.

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by keysh67 on Oct 20, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i didn’t buy his jersey. The last jerseys I bought were of Fletcher and Spikes for $7 each on clearance at Marshalls.

You’re not looking deep enough if you think people didn’t buy tickets based on the Owens signing. Trust me, Owens was a major catalyst.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 20, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I prefer to believe that the majority of the fanbase is able to see beyond this year.

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by keysh67 on Oct 20, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nope.

Record season sales when they reupped Dick? When they didn’t make the playoffs yet again?

I actually had the ticket office email me once a week asking me to buy seasons and it started the day after they signed TO.

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by twoeightnine on Oct 20, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

They were up over 50k when they signed T.O. weren’t they?

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 22, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, they sold out every game without TO last year and were on pace to sell out all the games at an even quicker rate this year before they signed him. He was not a marketing gimmick. Jauron and co. signed him because he is a HOF WR and came with a better contract than somebody like Laveraneus Coles.

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by kaisertown on Oct 22, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

If they did trade him

It might prove he wasn’t brought in as a PR stunt?

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by Kurupt on Oct 20, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It might do this, yes. So, I don’t see a trade happening. The PR was a calculated bonus by the FO, but I have to believe he was brought in on credentials 1st.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 20, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

exactly

by csc06258 on Oct 20, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree with why we should trade him

and wish they’d consider it.

If TO had done anything this year, I’d probably be against, but he’s just out there doing very, very little.

I guess they’ve got enough backlash to worry about right now, although with the way TO has played and how little impact he’s had, it might not be as bad as we might expect.

This is a perfect job for Russ Brandon. He could earn his money trying to explain to the fanbase how this move hasn’t worked out and that they were very fortunate to get such a high draft pick for him. It ain’t happening though….

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by Kurupt on Oct 20, 2009 11:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

It’s not even about TO’s production or lack thereof.. Because we are unable to get him the ball consistently. Good teams are always looking ahead and this is where we fail miserably.

I have nothing left to say, these Bills have sucked me dry of any hope. Loosing to a team that completes 2-17 for 23y with 1 INT, that is beyond pitiful!

by keysh67 on Oct 20, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Some interesting stats

I looked at the gamebooks of each of our 6 games

So far after 6 games we’ve targeted TO 35 times and he’s caught only 15 balls for 258yards and 1TD
By comparison Brandon Marshall after 6 games has been targeted 43 times and has caught 29 passes for 332yards and has scored 4 TDs.

I am not saying that I don’t like TO because I do. I think that he is a great competitor and I love the intesity that he brings to both practice and games. But lets be brutally honest, he drops a lot of balls! We certainly cannot afford to lose those opportunities. Our season is what it is, basically over and we are playing for pride.

I agreed with going out to get him and I was hopeful that Trent could take a step forward from last year but the reality is that he has regressed and whether it is his fault or the lack of imagination in the play-calling or the poor line play, the fact still remains that we are not in any position to be able to provide TO with the amount of touches he needs to be effective. Last year he lead the league in drops, so it is a known fact that he requires a lot of touches to be effective.

If we think about this with cool heads, I think its obvious that trading him is in the best long term interest of the team.

I have nothing left to say, these Bills have sucked me dry of any hope. Loosing to a team that completes 2-17 for 23y with 1 INT, that is beyond pitiful!

by keysh67 on Oct 20, 2009 11:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I’ll take a proven Owens (drops and all) over an unproven player (such as Steve Johnson) any day.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 20, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He has dropped the ball a lot this season

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by willgarr15 on Oct 20, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

no trade

Unless it would make this better this year and in the future I don’t want to see T.O. traded. He is still better than Johnson and Hardy. This fan still has faith in this season. There is a lot of football to be played this year. You made reference to Brandon Marshall, if I’m not mistakedn, most of his production has come in the last three weeks. There is still time, BILLieve.

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by nickdaniels on Oct 20, 2009 12:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

No his production is extremely consistent. The two first games were a bit slower but it was the whole offense that was slow.

You guys are not being realistic here… I don’t disagree that TO is a good receiver, not at all.
But this offense, this year, with Jauron & AVP are totally unable to get TO the amount of touches that he would need to make a difference.

And a certainly do not agree that Stevie Johnson is that much less of a receiver because he’s never even gotten a chance this year to prove himself. In the limited play that he got last year and this year in the pre-season, his catch % from targets is way better than TO, so ask yourself if we’d be getting a few more 3rd down conversions, would we be better off? If the amount of attempts to TO are the most we can expect then maybe a Stevie Johnson could be as productive? I certainly would not discount it.

I have nothing left to say, these Bills have sucked me dry of any hope. Loosing to a team that completes 2-17 for 23y with 1 INT, that is beyond pitiful!

by keysh67 on Oct 20, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Johnson

I want to see Johnson given a chance just as much as anyone. Why hasn’t he been on the field in 3 or 4 WR sets? I honestly don’t know the answer. Like I said, if there is excellent value for a player I would also be open to it. My point was that there is too much football left, and TO has plenty of time, and games, to help this team on the field this year.

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by nickdaniels on Oct 20, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Trade him

If you can get any value out of him. He’s dropped more passes than he’s caught.

by Slick Shifty on Oct 20, 2009 12:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

This isn't fantasy Football.

What will T.O. offer when our QB has more than three seconds to get rid of the ball. With him on the team we have a better chance of meeting our goals. We first need to solidify an offensive line that was devestated with season ending injuries along with the week in and week out injuries.

Trading T.O. wasn’t a thought after week one or week two for that matter. The plays were there for him in week 3 but the timing wasn’t. If you want to throw away the season yesterday and today then trade him. If you think we can still make a push in the conference than keep him. I understand both sides, I say keep him.

We get our 0-Line situated and improve our running game, like games one and two and T.O. will eventually flourish.

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by VanScottM on Oct 20, 2009 12:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

fantasy

Excellent point!

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by nickdaniels on Oct 20, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

no it isn’t

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by keysh67 on Oct 20, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

A good front office would...

trade him in a heartbeat. A good front office would realize we are not going to make the playoffs this year and TO will not be here next year. So getting a decent draft pick for him is a GOOD, SOLID football move from an organizational perspective. There are no good FOOTBALL reasons not to keep him (unless you are crazy enough to think we can make the playofs). Worrying about fan backlash and making football decisions based on the fans is an instant way to having a bad football team.

by CBATL32 on Oct 20, 2009 1:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

If the team’s bad, why stir the fans’ pot?

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 20, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

because.

you don’t make football operations decisions based on the fans. If you build a winning team, fans will come and support the team. Making short term, bad operational decisions to satisfy the fan base is a sure fire way to build a losing franchise. Let the fans be upset if TO is dealt. Then next April, use that 3rd or 4th round pick to improve the team. We can always try to re-sign TO in the offseason if we want to. Why get NOTHING for him? It makes no sense.

by CBATL32 on Oct 20, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

exactly

are you my twin brother?

I have nothing left to say, these Bills have sucked me dry of any hope. Loosing to a team that completes 2-17 for 23y with 1 INT, that is beyond pitiful!

by keysh67 on Oct 20, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

thank you

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by keysh67 on Oct 20, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

All the good front offices got rid of guys for draft picks….

like the….

So using your theory the Bucs have a great front office cause they got something for Gaines Adams?

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 22, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Despite what the fanbase thinks, The Front Office still believes this team can make the playoffs.

That pretty much seals the fate of TO staying with Buffalo, as good or bad as that might be.

Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.

by UZ on Oct 20, 2009 1:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

The Front Office still believes this team can make the playoffs.

That’s the problem, they are incompetent and drink too much kool aid

I have nothing left to say, these Bills have sucked me dry of any hope. Loosing to a team that completes 2-17 for 23y with 1 INT, that is beyond pitiful!

by keysh67 on Oct 20, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He will not be traded, but should be!

I agree completely with this article, great points by the way. This is not a good football team right now, cannot get a sustained drive going, we now realize how important it is to have an experienced offensive line, and this team is still 2-3 years away. We don’t even know if we have found our QB. TO wants out after this year and why not get something in return for him. His statistics are a joke after 6 games, meaning close to 1/2 the season. Any of those that think this team still has a chance of making the playoffs, should realize we only beat Tampa Bay and beat a QB that threw 5 picks. Other than that, compare this team’s offenses to others in the league, that should tell you how far away we are as an organization still. Get a G.M. in here that knows how to find talent like Bill Polian used to.

by BuffaloWhiner on Oct 20, 2009 2:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

TO/Parrish and our 2nd round pick for Ray Lewis, haha.

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by Sluss88 on Oct 20, 2009 3:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Nope

And I don’t think the Ravens will give you anything for him with Galloway available for free.

by Buffalo Mo on Oct 20, 2009 3:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

He didn't get traded! Yes!

by csc06258 on Oct 20, 2009 10:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I know I’m a little late for the discussion here, but I would have been happy to see TO traded for the right price. I would have been pretty upset had they dumped him for a 5th and a crappy pick like a 7th though.

I get why Buffalo couldn’t really make the move. After beating the Jets, they can’t make a move that would play like they’re giving up on the season.

I totally understand why people wanted him to be traded. Another fourth would help the rebuild and coaching/FO transition that’ll be happening in just a few months.

by kaisertown on Oct 20, 2009 11:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I am actually glad TO wasn't traded

One of the few interesting story lines left in this season is whether the Bills can serve up more crap than TO can take…..will he finally get fed up and explode? I am pulling for him to keep it together.

Poor ball security leads to very painful outcomes

by Joe P. on Oct 20, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I am pulling for him to keep it together.

I am too. Although a funny one that involved exercising in his driveway, calling somebody gay, accusing Trent of making up his own plays with Josh Reed and intentionally leaving him out of it or something along those lines could be pretty amusing.

by kaisertown on Oct 21, 2009 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

LOL

I have nothing left to say, these Bills have sucked me dry of any hope. Loosing to a team that completes 2-17 for 23y with 1 INT, that is beyond pitiful!

by keysh67 on Oct 21, 2009 5:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't know

A good TO blow up could be potentially hilarious!

Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.

by UZ on Oct 21, 2009 3:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

TO

This situation kind of shows why the trading deadline is too soon. If Buffalo had lost last week and fallen to 1-5, they’d be all but mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. They might have been much more likely to trade TO. Since they won to move to 2-4, there’s more hope and reason to hang on to him. I’m sure there were other situations like this around the league.

The deadline should be after week 8 or 9. Halfway through the season is a good time for the deadline. Baseball has it after 4 months (July 31st), with just 2 months remaining in the regular season. The NBA deadline is mid/late February, almost 4 months after the start of the season, and about 2 months before the end. It’s too early in the year to make final decisions for many teams.

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by Kurupt on Oct 21, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed. Hockey has theirs about that late into the season too.

It would be interesting to see if playoff teams tried to rent players like you see in other sports. A bad team moving a really good special teamer to a Super Bowl contender for a late round pick could help both teams.

by kaisertown on Oct 21, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think that is exactly why the trade deadline is where it is....the NFL doesn't want that happening.

Poor ball security leads to very painful outcomes

by Joe P. on Oct 21, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Great Point about moving back the date

I love that Idea and agree with you that by moving it back a few weeks you’d get more trades, it would definitely make it more interesting.

As for the Bills, I never for one minute thought that they would trade TO mainly because we don’t have a real GM with any clout or kohonas, the personnel side is run by the coach, which pretty much ensures that smart long term planning will never be part of the cards. Like I alluded to in my article, if ever there was a good reason to have a real GM it’s exactly for this reason… To separate the two responsibilities ensures that the proper coolheadedness is applied when taking these types of decisions and not a lame coach grasping for straws. There is absolutely no way that Jauron would have made this decision (and nor should he) because he still believes that we can make the playoffs and go deep. And he must believe because who else will? The players can’t loose hope right?

I would have still been the right call to get a 3rd or 4th for him now while we still could.

I have nothing left to say, these Bills have sucked me dry of any hope. Loosing to a team that completes 2-17 for 23y with 1 INT, that is beyond pitiful!

by keysh67 on Oct 21, 2009 6:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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by WhyBillsWhy on Oct 21, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

We have Stevie Johnson that could easily fill the void

Easily? Based on…. conjecture?

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 22, 2009 8:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Based on hopes and dreams

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by Kurupt on Oct 23, 2009 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

No K, Based on the fact that I am not disillusioned into thinking we have a chance the playoffs.

I figure we are not going to make the playoffs anyway, and with the little that we actually throw to TO and given the fact that he tends to drop or not catch 40% of the targetted balls, I figure that Steve Johnson would not be that much of a drop-off. Maybe we finish with 1 fewer wins? I doubt it could be any worse. Actually, I view it as more positive because Lee could get more looks and Stevie would develop and be in a better position to help next year.

Matt if you still believe that there is a chance this year then good for you and I understand why you don’t want to give up. I personally don’t really care either way because we wouldn’t be going far anyways and I am anxious to give Stevie a chance to start seriously developing into next years #2. I am looking at next year. Getting a decent draft pick and getting Stevie on the field for some meaningful experience was a great idea when you are looking past this year.

I have nothing left to say, these Bills have sucked me dry of any hope. Loosing to a team that completes 2-17 for 23y with 1 INT, that is beyond pitiful!

by keysh67 on Oct 23, 2009 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

This has nothing to do with making the playoffs or winning games. You say he could “easily fill the void”. That’s what I disagree with. I like what I have seen from Johnson in his less than a dozen catches. The fact is T.O. has more catches this season than Johnson has in his career and with the season T.O. has been having that says a lot.

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 23, 2009 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

If you give Stevie Johnson as many targetted pass attempts, do you feel that he’ll miss more than 40% like TO does?

This has nothing to do with making the playoffs or winning games

It has everything to do with that, why else would you keep TO and not get a 3rd or 4th for him? If you take a step back and look at it objectively you’ll realize that our chances are extremely slim (see impossible). Given that situation, why would you not want to start preparing for next year?

I have nothing left to say, these Bills have sucked me dry of any hope. Loosing to a team that completes 2-17 for 23y with 1 INT, that is beyond pitiful!

by keysh67 on Oct 23, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Does Stevie possess the speed, route ability, or hold a defense’s attention like Steve? There are more factors to take into account than dropped passes and you know it. You are just banging the Steve Johnson drum. I get that. You want to see him play. So do I. But that doesn’t mean he can “easily fill the void” of T.O. when he has less than a dozen career catches.

When you start preparing for next year, you give up on this year. The players and coaches can’t afford to do that in week 7 when they are attempting to keep their jobs.

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 25, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs