The Buffalo Bills, after dangling receiver/return specialist Roscoe Parrish for weeks, are now...

aka.........

no one wants to give up anything of even mediocre value for an extremely mediocre and one-dimensional player.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 20, 2009 3:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

….and knows the Bills are likely to dump him regardless.

Bill Polian and AJ Smith are gone, so there's not the usual balance between "sane" and "others." Ralph has mentally checked out since 1994. It's a very dangerous time. The coalition for reason is extremely weak.

by thatguy34 on Oct 20, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh well...

Please just cut him!

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by Ghetts on Oct 20, 2009 3:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Roscoe parrish probably averages more yards on a punt return than our offense does on offensive drives. he is the best punt returner in the league and maybe even in NFL history. He has value

by csc06258 on Oct 20, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I have yet to see our Offense lose 15 yards on a drive.

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by UZ on Oct 20, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

your referring to one play. Look at his return avg last year and the miami game. I bet he averaged more yards in punt return during the miami game than our offense did for the game. He is a dynamic player and I dont mind him trying to make plays to try to help our pathetic offense.

by csc06258 on Oct 20, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He has HURT the team this year. This is a failure on the part of the Bills. They have an asset (no matter how little value it brings) and they don’t get anything for cutting it loose. The Browns may be abismal, but they have something like 11 picks next year. THAT’S how you build a team.

by bluecollarbuffalo on Oct 20, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He's averaging 6 yards a return this year.

Less than half his career avg. Almost half the yards he has gained this year came on that one return in the Miami game.

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by twoeightnine on Oct 20, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree with csc. He’s had a couple off weeks and one terrible fumble, but overall he can still help out. In fact, he’s major problem now is that he’s trying too hard to return a big one and give his team spark — an admirable goal. Once he calms down and stops dancing around, he’ll be fine and back to his record-breaking self.

The Bills are often too quick to jump the gun on apparently washed up talent, by either cutting or refusing to resign or offer a competitive bid. See, e.g., Takeo Spikes, London Fletcher, etc.

by Flutie Flakes on Oct 20, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

haha you were writing just what i was thinking, nice to see someone agrees

by csc06258 on Oct 20, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I am sorry but I think Parrish can be a dynamic player in this league. Our coaching staff just doesn’t know how to see or use talent. They can’t use talents like parrish, lynch, Owens or Evans well at all-see our offense the last however many years. They let players with good talent go because they can’t see talent- Jim Leonard, Mario Haggen, Winfield, Pat Williams etc etc. If you keep good players like Leonard, Windfield and Haggen, you wouldn’t have to spend draft picks on Bryd, Mckelvin and Harris. They all could be starters on this team, especially Haggen since this LB corps is so depleted. Parrish has HURT this team this year BUT he has kept us in and won us many games in the past. Again, I don’t mind seeing a playermaker trying to make a play, this is what this league is about. We don’t do this, we don’t throw the ball to Lee and Owens and let them make a play ever. I am not sure if its Trents fault or the coaching staffs fault, but the more I watch this dismal offense I think its the coaching staff not letting Trent give these guys a shot to make a play.

by csc06258 on Oct 20, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Leonhard and Haggan were garbage in Buffalo! Haggan is a 3-4 LB which is why he’s been successful in a 3-4 defense. Should we have changed our defense to accomodate him? Leonhard did nothing here when he was on the field for the Bills. He has done nothing this year on the Jets.

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 21, 2009 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Leonhard is only good if he has ed reed on the other side of the field.

Theres a reason the Ravens didn’t resign him. There are zillions of Leonhards if you have the Ed Reed.

Roscoe can’t be a dynamic player in any role besides the role he already has. He’s simply too small and too weak: he can’t break tackles and so he needs wide open space: that’s just not an asset on offense.

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by JPH on Oct 21, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

12 drives in the Miami game including two that were only one play long (INT-TD and end of half). They got 206 offensive yards gaining 4.2 yards per play. That averages to 17.2 yards per drive.

Parrish best average was 16.3 in 2007. His career is 13.6. This year is 6.1. In no way is Roscoe better at returning punts than our offense except that he averages more per return than any team averages per play. That’s because those stats don’t include fair catches or non-returns.

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 21, 2009 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Roscoe:
Career = 13.6
2009 = 6.1

I will take the worst games.

In the Browns game the Bills had 12 drives including the final one that began with 23 seconds left. They had 288 offensive yards. That is 24 yards per drive. Bills offense wins.

They had 12 drives in the Saints game, too, and garnered 243 yards, an average of 20.25 yards per drive.

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 21, 2009 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I wonder if Mularkey will beckon for him?

by youcrazy on Oct 20, 2009 3:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Trades for players rarely work out.

I’m not upset.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 20, 2009 3:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

A 7th rounder would have been nice

Now what do you do with him?

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by BillsNYC on Oct 20, 2009 3:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

This situation smels like McCargo Pt II.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 20, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I see a lot inactive weeks for Roscoe

Wait to the offseason and try and trade him again….for anything. Cutting him would hurt the cap for the next 3 years.

Grab some bench Roscoe.

by Northern Bills on Oct 20, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cutting him would hurt the cap for the next 3 years.

No it would not. The only cap hit the Bills would take is this year and is at or less than a million dollars. Getting rid of him is not harmful with or without the cap.

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 20, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And the cap hit is just accounting – there’s no cash involved, and the Bills have tons of cap space to burn.

by Pistol on Oct 20, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don’t know about tons… it’s less than 5M I think. Maybe with Mitchell and Butler on IR that number goes up to like 8M.

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 20, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Also, trading him would have the exact same cap ramifications as cutting him. You’re still on the line for any bonus money that hasn’t already acounted for.

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by kaisertown on Oct 20, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Correct. Glad you added that.

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 20, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Depending on what happens with the CBA, we should run some salary cap type stories this offseason. Just some explanations of the basics. You did a great job on that uncapped year article. We’ll have to see how things play out in the league, but it’s something to think about.

And for those looking at a simple explantion of what a cap hit is, here goes:

Every dollar that a team pays it’s players has to be accounted for in the salary cap. But every dollar that these guys get paid doesn’t necessarily count against the cap in the year that they make it. Things like performance bonuses can make things tricky. The majority of an average cap hit is signing bonus money. Since teams can’t afford to take a 20 million dollar cap hit for giving a star player a big signing bonus, they get spread out evenly over the life of a contract. If a guy signs a 5 year deal with a 10 mil signing bonus, then the bonus counts against the cap for 2 mil per season. So if a player is cut or traded and he’s received a bonus that hasn’t yet counted against the cap, it gets added on to the current season (or upcoming season if it happens in the offseason) in the form of a cap hit.

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by kaisertown on Oct 20, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You know we will. :-)

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 21, 2009 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

PFT

Love the comment from a guy on the PFT blog…“Buffalo would have a better chance dangling Roscoe P. Coltrane”! How true!

by fansince60 on Oct 20, 2009 3:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

poop!

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by Sluss88 on Oct 20, 2009 4:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

unfortunate

needed to trade this guy. A 5th rounder we could have gotten back in July. Now, nothing….may even get released. I say just keep him inactive….that will really piss him off and Rosenhaus!

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by MARVelous on Oct 20, 2009 4:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

this was too good to be true.

seems like we have a lot of trouble finding trading partners…maybe because we make it clear we will release them if nobody trades for them?

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by JPH on Oct 20, 2009 4:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Midseason trades are hard to pull off.

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 20, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe because no one else thinks the organization’s players are good enough for their team.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 20, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Another OBD failure to improve the team

Yes, it takes two teams to make a trade and do a deal. However, I have to blame Russ Brandon or John Guy for not being able to move a player or improve our team any when we are sorely lacking at LB and stopping the run.

The Bills have had 6 weeks to trade Roscoe this season when they new they’d be placing Hardy on the PUP list. They had rumors of trading him in the off-season and during last April’s draft and never got the deal done.

Now we are stuck with him and his contract for a guy that will be either in-active or only catching a few punts for us during games. I would imagine that the Bills will have to cut that Johnson we just signed last week at Safety in order to fit. I guess Justin Jenkins could be a casualty too.

IMO, John Guy has to go after this season!!!

by dabillsr1 on Oct 20, 2009 4:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

No offense but if a guy is available via trade is he really going to be the savior for our defensive woes?

Hardy doesn’t have to go onto the roster for 21 days according to Chris Brown. Plus having Hardy on the roster doesn’t preclude them from having Parrish. Justin Jenkins is still on the team for cryin’ out loud.

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 20, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

cryin' out loud

understatement of the year…

by dabillsr1 on Oct 20, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

good grief.

by LeClaireBill on Oct 20, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Schefter said about the same thing.

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 20, 2009 4:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

The front office just doesn't have to aptitude to conduct a trade...

It’s just that simple.

by telka on Oct 20, 2009 4:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

pretty amazing isn't it?

it definitely seems like they can’t get their ducks in a row.
Total speculation, but its not hard to imagine that the lack of decisiveness is because of the Inner Circle front office structure.

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by JPH on Oct 20, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

or lack of any offers….

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 20, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I had a different comment before, but I hit the backspace and it went away, which was probably a good thing. In-season trades are quite rare in the NFL, and teams don’t want to integrate new guys into their systems unless they have to. Also the contract and salary cap considerations usually top anything else.

by syrbillsfan on Oct 20, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

werent people reporting he was worth a 4th or something right around draft time?

having him a healthy scratch and getting nothing for him does feel like they screwed up.

and again, you’re just as likely to be right if not moreso. totally talking out my butt.

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by JPH on Oct 20, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I remember saying the Bills wouldn’t trade him for less than a 4th rounder. Maybe someone out there knows what was being offered the Bills.

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 20, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don’t think our front office or Inner Circle or anything like that had anything to do with the inability to trade Roscoe. In-season trades are rare, the Edwards’ trade came out of nowhere, but is the exception, not the rule. I just wonder if you guys are jumping all over this so you can boo something on Jauron’s week of reprieve.

I see nothing having to do with “aptitude” in the inability to trade Parrish – if his value is almost nothing for the Bills, it certainly is less than nothing to other teams, especially considering his “tryouts” this season at receiver and even with his forte, returning kicks. Returners for the most part have a shelf life, Roscoe’s is expired.

by syrbillsfan on Oct 20, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

agreed

not only lack of decisiveness, but lack of ability, lack of talent assessment, and any other attribute that creates a winning culture with quality talent.
I have to believe other teams sit back and wait for OBD to trip over their own feet or they flat out don’t want anyone we have. Either way, we are a laughing stock. We have no depth whatsoever, we are being gashed for 200-300 rushing yards every week and yet we stand pat. It boggles the mind.
Tomorrow, we’ll go dumpster diving for whomever the other teams cut to make room for their new additions.

by fansince60 on Oct 20, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I hope not. Joey Galloway, Michael Matthews, Anthony Alridge and Marcus Mason? Yay.

Oh wait – Michael Gaines is available!

by Krenn on Oct 20, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

They pulled off a trade last year before McCargo’s bulging disc negated that one.

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 20, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

BULGING DISCS ARE JAURON'S FAULT!!!!111

IF HE WOULD JUST GET ANGRY ON THE SIDELINE MCCARGO’S BACK WOULD’VE BEEN FINE

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by JPH on Oct 20, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

haha

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by bflo on Oct 20, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And they’ve also traded Spikes, Holcomb, Darwin Walker (after trading for him), McGahee, Simpson and for Stroud. And they got pretty good value for that Jason Peters guy too. The Bills have made more trades than most other teams in the league over the last few seasons.

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by kaisertown on Oct 20, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The whole Derrick Dockery fiasco comes back to me. Washington made them look like a joke for just releasing him.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 20, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

and now Washington looks lke even moe of a jok than the Bills

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by killascript on Oct 20, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And then Derrick Dockery made Washington look like a joke for signing him.

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by twoeightnine on Oct 20, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

they'd look like bigger jokes if we had one of their draft picks.

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by JPH on Oct 20, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Brian did a good job of spelling that all out before.
http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2009/2/28/775216/did-bills-drop-the-ball-on

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 20, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nothing but Voice Mails

Bills were probably dialing the wrong phone #. I believe they almost traded Parrish for some Chinese take-out.

by BuffaloWhiner on Oct 20, 2009 4:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I would trade Roscoe for two egg rolls and some fried dumplings….

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by sireric on Oct 20, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Clearly you’ve never had authentic street pad thai. (Disclaimer: me either. But I know much about it!)

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 20, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

well if they want to sweeten the deal by throwing in a set of used chop sticks, I’m sold.

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by sireric on Oct 20, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sheil Kapadia of Philly.com’s Moving the Chains blog reports that the Eagles have acquired LB Will Witherspoon from the Rams in return for WR Brandon Gibson and a 2010 5th round pick.

http://www.sbnation.com/2009/10/20/1093239/will-witherspoon-trade-eagles-rams

So to get a guy like Witherspoon would have taken Roscoe plus a 5th or 6th rounder, right?

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 20, 2009 4:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

at least

the Bills got something out of Ko Simpsion at the beginning of the year. I agree with most everyone on this board that we need to move Parrish one way or the other. At this point in his career, he’s cost us more games than won them (last year was much different).

I really want Steve Johnson to get his reps at 4th wideout for the time being just to get some exposure if nothing else. Doesn’t anyone else every wonder why Steve Johnson is always inactive for the game? Make Parrish inactive and let Scuba play!!

by nateinrochester on Oct 20, 2009 4:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

They did last week.

Make Parrish inactive and let Scuba play!!

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 21, 2009 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

While I agree that Roscoe was drafted too high and needs to go.....

….. in order to get Scuba Steve and Hardy some more gametime this year before T.O. departs, everybody in here is gonna puke when, after we cut him, the Cardinals pick him up and he becomes the new Wes Welker.

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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Oct 20, 2009 4:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

NO.

Wes Welker is a precise route runner who has a great pair of hands, quick feet and the ability to put his head down and fight for extra yardage…. Roscoe does not possess those traits or abilities.

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by NeverendingOptimism on Oct 20, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Witherspoon, Smitherspoon

Who needs a middle LB who can tackle and cover backs? Why waste Roscoe and a pick for the likes of Witherspoon. Thank God OBD has self-control!
(Tomorrow Philly will sign Roscoe after we cut him and they’ll have both!)

by fansince60 on Oct 20, 2009 4:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I forgot that this is how it works in the NFL.

All teams automatically want to trade with the Bills and want Roscoe. Therefore it’s the Bills fault that they didn’t make this trade. Idiots.

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by twoeightnine on Oct 20, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, I thought the rest of the NFL was run by morons who don’t pay attention to what they are trading for and would be willing to take a guy who can’t get on the field for this team. You mean that somebody other then the Bills might be able to recognize that Roscoe stinks?

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by sireric on Oct 20, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs