"To be honest with you, not to bad mouth nobody, not to bad mouth Jauron, my resume speaks for itself. When you see my resume and you see me not returning punts, it’s kind of like. ‘Wow what is going on?’ I’m not going to sit up here and be negative with the whole situation toward Dick Jauron, but it’s kind of a situation where you look at it and you say this guy here led the league two years in a row and the year before he didn’t lead he finished third and then that year he had a good average. And just four or five games into a season and I’m off the field not dressing. That’s the only frustrating part to me. It’s really not enough (of an) explanation."
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attitude, and overall contribution….Parrish takes up a spot and only returns
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by killascript on Oct 22, 2009 3:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I read this article
And then I watched a clip on ESPN on how no one got traded and the mentioned how the Redskins had wanted Parrish during the draft for a mid round pick – oh wish that would have occured.
Unless something drastic occurs, I don’t see Parrish playing another game with Buffalo. They will probably try and trade him during the draft…
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by Ghetts on Oct 22, 2009 4:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And then I watched a clip on ESPN on how no one got traded and the mentioned how the Redskins had wanted Parrish during the draft for a mid round pick – oh wish that would have occured.
If this is true, it’s one more massive knock against the woeful FO problems of this team. I was harping for a Parrish trade when most here were saying he was still such a valuable part of ST. This FO needs to be (figuratively) blown up.
I remain convinced that somehow Drew Rosenhaus negotiated a playing time deal for Roscoe into the contract for TO.
by thefourwinds on Oct 22, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reading the whole thing he seems to think it was based solely on the Cleveland game. What he doesn’t factor in is the fumble during the Cleveland game, losing yards on returns, making mistakes, and the cost of a roster spot for him to simply return kicks. As Roscoe says, “It is what it is.”
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 22, 2009 4:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and the cost of a roster spot for him to simply return kicks.
But everyone here knew before the season that he was never going to have any success at WR, so why was everyone crying to keep him then?
I remain convinced that somehow Drew Rosenhaus negotiated a playing time deal for Roscoe into the contract for TO.
by thefourwinds on Oct 22, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because he had great value as a PR, especially with Jackson as our starting RB.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 22, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
isnt his contract up
at the end of this season?
Later Losman!
by rockybillboa on Oct 22, 2009 4:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He’s still got two more years after this season, but they’re at a very reasonable 1.5 mil per year.
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by kaisertown on Oct 22, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Parrish is a 100% right
Your are correct Parrish, you should be returning punts, and any sane coach would have you returning punts but Dick Jauron is the worst coach in the league so there is your answer. Since the AFL-NFL merge, Dick Jauron is the “worst coach” in history (.420% win record), and thats a FACT. That stat includes any coach who has coached over 135 games. You are a good player that are coaching staff doesn’t know how to use, plain and simple.
by csc06258 on Oct 22, 2009 4:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree – not so vehemetly – but Parrish should be returning kicks.
although – Fred did a pretty darn good job – maybe the coaches are right – let’s see how Jackson fairs.
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by J2 on Oct 22, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
parrish
has really no role on this team. He should have been moved, but for whatever reason he wasn’t. The CLE game play, was disastarous, and probably just a reason for the coaching staff to do what they have wanted to do for a while and make him inactive. Roscoe is the least of our concerns as Fred is more than capable of returning kicks and punts.
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by MARVelous on Oct 22, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup – I just don’t like seeing good starting players return kicks/punts. Jackson is a good player – Marshawns playing like a little girl right now – i’d just rather not him get hurt.
always made me squeemish when McGee was returning kicks too – was glad to see him not do that anymore.
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by J2 on Oct 22, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was gonna say – the article mentions that Fred Jackson averages about 18 yards per punt return. He had a couple of REALLY good ones on Sunday. I’ll take his reliability over Parrish’s high risk/high reward any day of the week.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 22, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
see above – not like i don’t like him back there – injury factor – should have put that in there…. always get your head ripped off when you leave out small things ;)
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by J2 on Oct 22, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has Parrish ever been hurt returning a punt?
Has Jackson ever been hurt on a return?
Fred is a smart player. He knows when to throw his arm up and when to take his chances. He’s a running back, too, so he knows how to protect his body. I sincerely doubt Jackson gets hurt returning a punt – but I’m gonna go put my fist through a wooden doors just in case.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 22, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but I’m gonna go put my fist through a wooden doors just in case
I already knocked on my desk
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by J2 on Oct 22, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fred is a smart player
in my opinion, right now – he’s playing like the best player on our team too
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by J2 on Oct 22, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d guess 1-2 players get hurt returning a punt of kick each season. I agree that it isn’t a risk.
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by kaisertown on Oct 22, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
tell Jason Sehorn that.
It doesn’t happen till it happens. It’s probably not a big enough risk to justify not putting Fred back there, but it is a risk, it does happen.
and yeah, sehorn got hurt returning a kickoff, not a punt. i know.
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by JPH on Oct 22, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lots of running back get hurt on handoffs
we should probably limit his action on those too.
by twoeightnine on Oct 23, 2009 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
We should probably just limit his touches in general. In fact, why even dress him? He might get hurt!
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by Kurupt on Oct 23, 2009 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To provide a serious response, Jackson should have his touches limited and with Lynch around, that should be very easy to do. Yes, a RB is probably less likely to get hurt on a return than a carry, but isn’t a return more important than a single carry? Jackson isn’t more likely to get hurt with 7 carries, 5 catches and 3 returns than he would be with 12 carries, 5 catches and 0 returns. So, if you’ve got Lynch to handle a lot of those touches, than what exactly is the downside with using Jackson on returns?
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by kaisertown on Oct 23, 2009 3:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Parrish is right
I worry about using Jackson as a returner. This year he is all we have. Lynch has not gotten back yet , and the danger to Jackson isnt worth the risk. If you have to pay Parrish you might as well use him
by crazyoldman on Oct 23, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ummm, that is ALL he contributes
At least with other players we get more than a guy who dances to much while returning kicks this season and who drops easily catchable balls.
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by WABillsfan on Oct 22, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is the type of comment that holds little credibility to me. I mean, yes you have a valid argument that Roscoe should be returning kicks, but your reasoning for Roscoe to the bench or cut is that Jauron is a bad coach. Do you really think that Jauron wakes up in the morning and tries to think of the worst coaching move he can make that day, then goes through with it? I really can’t stand the whole, “well Jauron is a bad coach so that explains it” excuses. You have a valid argument but you kill it with bad reasoning to back up your point.
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by sireric on Oct 22, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's
like logical sireric! Brilliant! I love all the “IT IS FACT…JAURON IS THE WORST COACH EVER!” I’ve got news for you people…..GET OVER IT…still 10 games to go!
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by MARVelous on Oct 22, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and by the way...
The last two years when Roscoe was getting the job done, Dick Jauron was his head coach, and Bobby April was his ST coach. What is more likely, D.J. and April forgot how good Roscoe was and stopped using him correctly, or Roscoe just isn’t getting the job done?
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by sireric on Oct 22, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Rec’d.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 22, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep
pasta and recsauce.
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by JPH on Oct 22, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tyrannosaurus Rec's?
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by Kurupt on Oct 22, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep. good.
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by JPH on Oct 25, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you really think that Jauron wakes up in the morning and tries to think of the worst coaching move he can make that day, then goes through with it?
I agree with the overall tenor of your comment, but the above logic holds little water with me. Clearly, if someone is bad at something (e.g. if Jauron is a bad coach), what he thinks is a good move is really a bad one.
That said, Roscoe should have been traded before we could even sniff this season. Now, yet again, a player will be cut and nothing gotten in return. Lost for nothing, like Losman, like Dockery. Can you believe they got something for Ko SImpson, and they couldn’t get anything for Parrish?
I remain convinced that somehow Drew Rosenhaus negotiated a playing time deal for Roscoe into the contract for TO.
by thefourwinds on Oct 22, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
see fanpost I will be posting in a few.
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by sireric on Oct 22, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Will do.
I remain convinced that somehow Drew Rosenhaus negotiated a playing time deal for Roscoe into the contract for TO.
by thefourwinds on Oct 22, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. Parrish’s contract does not match the reward of having him, plus he thinks he’s better than he is. Parrish thinks he’s a WR when he’s really only a kick returner. For a kick returner the value of the three years (including this one) remaining on his contract is too high. Are two TD’s worth the draft pick compensation plus his salary that would be required to make the trade? Add in that by “kick returner” I mean “punt returner”. Now you see why Roscoe does not have much value. If Jauron and co. didn’t value Roscoe’s services, why did they give him that over-large contract extension?
As far as the “cut with nothing gotten in return”, that happens to all NFL teams. How many trades actually happen that involve players? 4 or 5 a year? Lots of guys get cut for salary cap reasons.
by syrbillsfan on Oct 23, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is all he contributes
Is that a trick question?
by crazyoldman on Oct 23, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree
Parrish shouldn’t be shocked at all. He has 2 fumbles in 5 games. Has had a low return avg. He obviously isnt playing well this year. The cleveland game was the climax of him not playing well. When your team finally flips field position and you field a punt at the 40……it isnt the time to make a play by screwing up and losing an additional 20 yds. Maybe this is a good wake up call for him, but I doubt it. He thinks he is better than he really is. He has no value at WR other than the trick play they ran at the end of the cleveland game. This guy has had numerous opportunities on the field and has never been able to show his value at WR. When you are only a KR/PR and arent playing well these things happen. Justin Jenkins is good at gunner and he added plenty of Special teams help. With Jackson able to do so well on returns, roscoe basically has no value to this team.
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by Rudy916 on Oct 22, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And he was taking up a spot on the active roster that can be better used by Steve Johnson. Johnson has the size and elusiveness to be a real factor on our offense, while Parrish is just about useless. The Bills need to use this year to develop Johnson since Owens will likely be gone next year and Josh Reed’s status is unclear. I would favor cutting Roscoe to make room for Hardy, unless they want him available as a PR in case Jackson gets hurt — although even then he only returns punts, not kickoffs.
by Macktruck on Oct 22, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They probably didn’t dress him so they could possibly trade him. But listen to Jauron, “we liked what happened, so we’re going to continue it” about playing F. Jackson back there. Uhh, Dick, didn’t you like what you had in your returner for the past three years minus one game?
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by Dyl on Oct 22, 2009 4:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Minus 5 games.
Parrish is averaging less yards per return this year than great returners like Stefan Logan, Bobby Wade, Clifton Smith and Jim Leonhard.
by twoeightnine on Oct 22, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
:) Fair enough.
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by Dyl on Oct 22, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Parrish hasn't been good this year
I know all of you want him in there, but in the past when Freddy has to fill in he did just as well – and with how Parrish has been playing he is an upgrade by far.
And for all you Stevie fans – he will now be active probably all season long because of this. And Stevie can play ST which means Jenkins can be removed with ease so Hardy can get some play time… seems like a great move to me
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by Ghetts on Oct 22, 2009 4:19 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
And to add…as hot as was at the beginning the Bills want to get the ball in Fred’s hands as much as possible.
by Buffalo Mo on Oct 22, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
his attitude?
The guy has kept his mouth shut. Parrish is the best returner in the game. He had a couple bad plays this year so we should cut him or trade him? This team relies more than 1/3 on special teams and people are happy he is leaving. Give me a break. I can’t argue anymore about him being a WR, he is below average on this team, but as a PR he is the best. You don’t get rid of the best player at their position when your team is mediocre, unless that player is mediocre which he is not. All the guy says is I want the ball more and we in activate him? Smart. If we got a pick for him I could accept that because we at least get some compensation, but like usually he’ll get cut and we get nadda. I know we have too many average WRs, but we have only ONE good returner. Jackson should be the starting RB right now and I feel its a slap in the face to him that he gets demoted to less than half the carries and a few returns a game. Good Bye Jauron and Co.
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by pastj12345 on Oct 22, 2009 4:20 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Disagree
Parrish is the best returner in the game.
I’d take about a dozen other return men over him, at least.
If Roscoe was the best in the league, why can Fred Jackson step right in and average 18 yards a punt return? Is he better, or has the Bills blocking been so good for years that Roscoe is a beneficiary?
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by Kurupt on Oct 22, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
COMPLETELY agree
Recd
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by Ghetts on Oct 22, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it was one game
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by billsoferie on Oct 22, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What was one game?
Every time Fred Jackson has returned punts, he’s done a great job.
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by Kurupt on Oct 22, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this year
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by billsoferie on Oct 24, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roscoe can get 18 yards too.
It just takes 3 punts.
by twoeightnine on Oct 22, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ZING!
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by NeverendingOptimism on Oct 22, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's see....
(Not simply punt returners…)
Leodis McKelvin, Leon Washington, Darren Sproles, Josh Cribbs, Jacoby Jones, Percy Harvin, Eddie Royal, Will Blackmon (if he’s ever healthy), DeSean Jackson, Dominik Hixon, Devin Hester, Danieal Manning, Clifton Smith. I might think about guys like Felix Jones, Ellis Hobbs, Chris Carr, Johnnie Lee Higgins, Allen Rossum and Reggie Bush as well, but I’ll lump Roscoe in with them.
I’ve always thought Roscoe was helped out by Bobby April’s blocking units. On some of his long returns, all he had to do was catch and run to the sidelines. We’ve seen Jackson have success returning punts too. Personally, I don’t think Roscoe is nearly as explosive as he’s made out to be.
With all that said, I’m not opposed to him returning to his return role. I don’t think he should lose his job because of a handful of poor games. I think he was trying too hard to make a play, in order to help out our pathetic offense, and that’s why he made mistakes he never really made before like touching punts when he shouldn’t. I think a week off to think about how poorly he’s played and watching Jackson have some success could have a big impact on him, although it sounds like he’d rather talk the talk than walk the walk.
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by Kurupt on Oct 22, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What the hell have you done for me lately!!!!! Tough group. Mob mentality.
by KTyczka on Oct 22, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
REC! REC! REC!
Everyone wants to villanize Jason Peters then starts chanting for the head of the best punt returner in NFL history by average for half a decade after a bad 5 game stretch. Shame on all of you!
Rec’d!
mob mentality indeed!
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by poz on Oct 23, 2009 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look guys.....if players are going to act like dbags, their on field performance can't dip
Both Peters and Parrish made it clear they don’t want to be a Bill and then started sucking on the field. Past performance means very little at that point.
Poor ball security leads to very painful outcomes
by Joe P. on Oct 23, 2009 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You didn’t rec his comment.
He was the best and we appreciate that, but punt returners drop off quickly, and if that’s all you do, sometimes it’s best to move on. I think Parrish will get back on the field at some point, and may have learned from his benching. You can’t argue that he didn’t need to be brought down a couple of notches?
Peters wasn’t a villian, he just didn’t want to play here anymore. We didn’t drive him away, he pushed himself out.
by syrbillsfan on Oct 23, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
im struggling with my buttons
i must have hit rec and then "x"ed out before it registered. I just tried to reply to you and it took 30 seconds for the reply box to appear. Getting annoying………
I can totally agree and do agree that he needed to be brought down a couple of notches. Which is why you bench him. But you let him dress. He has earned that small respect. its spitting in his face to leave him inactive
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by poz on Oct 23, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
roscoe does have the best return avg. ever.
that’s like saying Barry Sanders was only successful because of his blocking. Certainly he had good blocking, but come on, for a long time roscoe was tremendous. He just doesn’t have it anymore, let’s not pretend he never did have it.
maybe the reason fred can step in is because he’s good too, not because Roscoe isn’t/never was.
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by JPH on Oct 22, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never said or implied what you say
I agree Roscoe was very, very good for a long time. But I also think there are a lot of other very good return men in the league. I never said he "never did have it" and don’t think that at all.
I also don’t think he magically "doesn’t have it anymore" either. He’s trying too hard, IMO, and the blocking just isn’t what it used to be. Fred Jackson’s style might be more conducive to our current blocking units, but I don’t think Roscoe all of a sudden stinks now.
maybe the reason fred can step in is because he’s good too, not because Roscoe isn’t/never was.
Those were your words!
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by Kurupt on Oct 22, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't follow.
Barry never had blocking… go back and look at a highlight reel of Barry.
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by NeverendingOptimism on Oct 23, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did a double take when I read that Parrish was the best. I also think kick returners are overrated in general, sure you want good field position and td’s on special teams, but you get that with good blocking and a little bit of luck (even a couple TD’s a year). Good kick returners are like good punters – the refuge of teams that are horrible, and need something to shine a light on.
I think Parrish in particular is a funny case because he is not even a kick returner. He is a punt returner, and that’s it. I wonder who tell’s him he’s the best anything… his mother?
by syrbillsfan on Oct 23, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His agent?
Poor ball security leads to very painful outcomes
by Joe P. on Oct 23, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We know that for sure. Gotta love Rosenhaus. I’m sure even he has tried to get Roscoe to improve his skills with hard work, to no avail. Roscoe is enamored of himself and seems to listen to no-one. If he worked hard on route running starting a couple of years ago, he could be the player he imagines himself to be. Instead, he thinks he’s already there and the Bills must be the problem. Wherever he goes from here, if it’s not with the Bills, will be downhill no matter how good the team he lands on. Players in general have their best days with the team that played them first.
by syrbillsfan on Oct 23, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cleveland was not the only issue
Let us not forget the fumble in the NO game when the Bills could have had good field position but that turned into the go ahead field goal for NO. He also ran backwards 20 yards in the Cleveland game when we would have a good field position. He has be horrible all year and he should be benched.
by mquintieri on Oct 22, 2009 4:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ALSO
id like to add that our ST’s blocking overall this year has been poor. Thus Parrish like any returner is going to struggle. Jackson had one nice return last week at least on the Punt. He is better at finding creases and moving straight up field. Parrish always tries to make the ridiculous return. And when he does it’s electric….no doubt. But, overall when you can save a roster spot on this injury depleted team and use it to fill with depth at LB, or DL/OL that is much better served than a guy who ONLY returns kicks
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by MARVelous on Oct 22, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
d like to add that our ST’s blocking overall this year has been poor.
After a couple more weeks with Jackson returning kicks, I don’t think you’ll feel that way.
Maybe it was just different, not poor, this year because of the new rules. Those changes obviously didn’t help Roscoe in any way. Jackson steps in, and maybe because of his patience, he’s a better fit right now.
by syrbillsfan on Oct 23, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't blame Parrish
Look, I don’t like what Parrish said but I certainly undrestand where he is coming from. While he may or may not be better than Fred Jackson at returning punts he is a top 10 returner in the league and deserves to be doing it somewhere. There is no excuse for the Bills not trading him, even if it was for a 6th or 7th rounder.
I can understand his frustration level 2 days after the deadline passed. Dick Jauron does not have the best track record so a players direct critism of Jauron raises your eyebrows a lot more than it would be if it was directed at other coaches such as Belichek, Tomlin, Coughlin, Reed etc.
by Berg79 on Oct 22, 2009 4:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bills offense isn't scoring or getting good field position
because McKelving and Parrish are not taking it to the house. Over the year’s, because the Bills have had and still do have one of the worst offenses in the NFL, they relied on McKelvin and Parrish to score and help put some points on the board. That’s great, Jackson get’s us to the 25 or 30 yard line, only to go 3 and out!
by BuffaloWhiner on Oct 22, 2009 4:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed
I don’t know what our average starting position was last year but I bet it was a heck of a lot better. Roscoe is to blame for some of that early this season, but do you bench a guy the rest of the season for 3 or 4 mistakes this year. And don’t give me he cost us games, if the offense wasn’t so pathetic in play calling we wouldn’t be in this situation. Because we are losing close games everyone magnifies simple plays that happen all the time, like taking a loss on a PR when trying to make a play. I would take Parrish’s potential to score every time he gets a return versus Jackson consistently average return all day.
by pastj12345 on Oct 22, 2009 4:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Parrish acts like this doesn’t happen to other players in the league all the time. Shaun Alexander? and the team was right for letting him go, his skills deminished.
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by howedyhowe on Oct 22, 2009 5:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I still like Parrish and feel he's worth the "risk."
I know my opinion here is unpopular (as it is with Jauron – I want him to stay because it means success has arrived should have and there won’t be a need for another rebuilding).
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 22, 2009 5:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Parrish is right
its just that simple. When a guy has been stellar for half a decade, holds the best NFL punt return average of ALL TIME, you let him freaking dress and you give him the benefit of the doubt after a bad 5 games. I love how Lee not producing, TO not producing, Shawn Nelson not producing, thats all the coaches fault but Roscoe having a bad season is Roscoes fault. Our whole team is playing poorly, why does he have to get the axe? Freddie looked great on punt returns so I’m not saying let him stop but you let Roscoe dress for games. Its just the right thing to do, he’s earned it. You build comraderie and a team attitude when players earn respect. Roscoe has been stellar, he should at least dress. Not activating him is disrespectful and Roscoe is right.
I get its a business but that doesn’t mean there is no integrity left in the business. If its about production than why isn’t Derek Fine inactive? He doesn’t block well anymore and he stinks in receiving.
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by poz on Oct 22, 2009 5:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think
it has much more to do with Roscoe’s attitude and not wanting to be a Bill, than it has anything to do with his overall production. I don’t completely understand the move cuz if they felt this way why not trade him for a 5th or 6th in the pre-season? But maybe no one ever offered anything….I guess we really don’t know.
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by MARVelous on Oct 22, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with ya poz.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 23, 2009 7:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
See Ya Roscoe!
To quote Roscoe “not to bad mouth nobody” but Parrish was a luxury pick ala McGahee out of the U. Same bad attitude and work ethic. And we dumped Willis too.
Too bad we can’ t trade a 1 dimensional PR only.
Can’t return Kickoffs.
Can’t block as a WR.
Can’t beat a Jam at LOS.
Can’t hold on to ball on punts.
Give me Freddie Jackson on Punts and KO’s.
Cut Roscoe and activate/sign a player who can contribute please!
by freddyjj on Oct 22, 2009 5:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Same bad attitude and work ethic.
BS
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by Kurupt on Oct 22, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jim Kelly comes to mind. Gino Torretta doesn’t.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 22, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bernie Kosar.
I remain convinced that somehow Drew Rosenhaus negotiated a playing time deal for Roscoe into the contract for TO.
by thefourwinds on Oct 22, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That Ray Lewis character comes to mind. Unless you follow a team pretty closely, it’s tough to say how hard guys are working, but Reggie Wayne, Ed Reed, Vince Wilfork, Clinton Portis, Frank Gore and Devin Hester all seem like very hard workers. Guys like Andre Johnson, DJ Williams, Jon Beason, Antrelle Rolle, Kenny Phillips, Santana Moss and Eric Winston all seem to work pretty hard too. When a college puts so many players into the NFL, it’s really easy to see some work ethic busts and assume it stems from the school, but Miami has a good reputation for cocky players who play with a swagger, but work their butts off to be the best.
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by kaisertown on Oct 22, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good point
a goodly portion of that list are marginal players, but point well made.
by LeClaireBill on Oct 22, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would say the Miami U guys work harder then Texas guys.
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by sireric on Oct 22, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jabba the Hut works harder than Texas guys.
by LeClaireBill on Oct 22, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He played for the Bills under the name….Mike Williams.
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by sireric on Oct 22, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ted had a better swim move.
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by JPH on Oct 22, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ted had hands.
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by the_prophet on Oct 22, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
williams does. jabba the hutt has vestigal appendages.
probably can get a damn good pop on the lineman across from him, though.
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by the_prophet on Oct 24, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Defensive Ends walked around mike williams the way han solo does in first star wars.
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by JPH on Oct 22, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
K, and those that follow
I was not inferring that all Miami players have issues.
My point is that Roscoe and Mcgahee were luxury picks at the time who never worked hard enough to emerge as the players they or the Bills envisioned them as.
Both punched their own ticket out of town IMHO.
by freddyjj on Oct 23, 2009 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its just shows....
That we have unique talents on this team and this coaching staff (the joke that it is) doesn’t know how to get the most out of what we have here. They way this season has gone is a true indictment on our coaching staff. They are the only ones to blame and any other half way descent coaching staff would have been able to “coach up” are players to there true potential. Dick Juaron is possibly the worst HEAD COACH ever, his record speaks for itself.
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by Moe_frm_B_ on Oct 22, 2009 5:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I said this above: So who was Roscoe’s head coach last year? And the year before that?, and the year before that? Oh yeah, it was none other then the same bad head coach of which you speak. Do you reallythink that Jauron forgot what a great player Roscoe was?
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by sireric on Oct 22, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do you defend him?
Do you enjoy the state the bills are in? Its a direct reflection of Dick juaron and this is a case of him trying to correct the wrong thing Roscoe has shown that when you get the ball in his hands good things happen. I truly do not trust any decsion your favorite head coach makes. You know maybe we’ve got so use to the terrible job he has been doing and thinks that’s the way it should be. Well its not coach are suppose to improve the player they have not destroy them I.e. T. Owens, roscoe parrish, l. Evans and before tricky dick got here j.p losman was headed in the right direction or did yoy forget. This guy is a talent killer
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by Moe_frm_B_ on Oct 23, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Got me so mad my grammar is all over the place lol
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by Moe_frm_B_ on Oct 23, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1) He is not my favorite head coach.
2) Am I defending Jauron, or asking that we keep the conversation in the realms of realism?
3) Losman had the best year of his career in 2006. Jauron’s first year.
4) Is the fact that Roscoe isn’t getting the job done somehow Jauron’s fault? Roscoe had plenty of success under Jauron the last few years. Do we think that Jauron just got got dumber somehow?
5) No, I don’t not enjoy the current state of the Bills, but then you are mixing the two topics. Just because I think that Roscoe is at fault here and not Jauron, doesn’t mean that I think Jauron is the best coach in the world and shouldn’t be fired at years end.
6) Perhaps you wouldn’t get so mad if you took a more rounded approach to things. I.E. not everything is Jauron’s fault and he does every so often make the right moves.
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by sireric on Oct 23, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But it is so much fun to blame Jauron for everything :-)
Last night I ordered a steak medium rare and it came medium well……dam Jauron….and what the hell is he doing about global warming and the war in Iraq? Don’t even get me started on health care…….SOB!!!!!
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by Joe P. on Oct 23, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m pretty sure that most Bills fans believe that Jauron was the second gunman on the grassy knoll.
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by sireric on Oct 23, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
was that before or after he covered up that UFO crash landing at Area 51?
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by Joe P. on Oct 23, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Before, but after he faked the Moon landing.
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by sireric on Oct 23, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok ok ok enough
I get your points I’m wrong but I’m tired of this. I can’t take it anymore aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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by Moe_frm_B_ on Oct 24, 2009 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think he really has a resume? That’d be kinda cool, but I doubt it.
I think the fact that his ‘resume’ is what it is and he’s still not playing is pretty clear evidence that it’s more about attitude than ability.
by Pistol on Oct 22, 2009 6:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m surprised that nobody has mentioned the possibility that the only reason he wasn’t returning punts against the Jets was because the Bills were trying to trade him and didn’t want to risk him getting injured. I know we’ve heard reports that he could be cut, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see him back out there returning punts and handling the 4th WR role (even though he shouldn’t be used much on offense) this sunday.
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by kaisertown on Oct 22, 2009 6:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I like Jenkins and Johnson...but...
WTF have they done all year that they deserve a spot on the roster over Parrish? Have they played a down? Are they somewhere on that AWFUL special teams doing something worth a roster spot?
This kinda makes no sense. If you can’t trade him, use him.
by FrankL on Oct 22, 2009 6:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not Jenkins or Johnson, it’s Hardy. He was a 2nd round pick that has a lot more potential as a WR then Roscoe.
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by sireric on Oct 22, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know they are making room for Hardy
But why aren’t they moving Johnson or Jenkins to do it, instead of Roscoe?
In the end, I think Jackson does great on Returns so I’m not too worried. I just think that on the Roster there has to be someone less valuable than Roscoe Parrish to move.
by FrankL on Oct 23, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We’ll get our answer when they activate (or don’t activate) Hardy. I would think Jenkins would get the boot but he has a knack for sticking around.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 23, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, Johnson actually has potential as a WR so that makes sense to me. I agree that Parrish has more value than a special teamer like Jenkins. Be careful not to discount how not bad Buffalo’s coverage units have been so far this season. Buffalo has allowed the 5th lowest yards per punt return in the league.
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by kaisertown on Oct 22, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So we know this:
There’s at least 1 player who most likely doesn’t like Dick Jauron.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 22, 2009 7:21 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I wonder how, if at all, the changes in the wedge rules have affected Parrish’s effectiveness.
For whatever reason, he’s not the same player so far this year, and this seems a reasonable variable.
by LeClaireBill on Oct 22, 2009 7:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It seems reasonable until you factor in Jackson’s success.
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by sireric on Oct 22, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't care if ryan denney returns kicks. just score a few more points, fellas!
by LeClaireBill on Oct 22, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good one. Denney has 2 TDs in the last 22 games.
I remain convinced that somehow Drew Rosenhaus negotiated a playing time deal for Roscoe into the contract for TO.
by thefourwinds on Oct 22, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jackson is a one cut and go return man, Parrish is a dancer and looks for the big break rather than taking what he can get
With the changes on returns that favors one cut men, not guys who like to jitterbug their way up field on PR and KR.
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by WABillsfan on Oct 22, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
seems like an easy counter
Fred is a different style runner, maybe he doesn’t need the wedge/works better without it.
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by JPH on Oct 22, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
except what MRW wrote underneath me
which makes me wrong.
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by JPH on Oct 22, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah there was never a wedge on punt reutrns.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 23, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is a reasonable conclusion, even with Jackson’s success. We know from watching Jackson run that he has good vision and will wait for an opening. Maybe that style fits the new rules better. Parrish relies more on natural talent and never really worked to increase his football IQ. That’s why he stinks as a receiver. If he put in the work to be an excellent route runner, he could be tremendous, but his poor attitude get in his own way. Natural ability alone does not get you very far when everyone around you has it.
by syrbillsfan on Oct 23, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The wedge rule was on kickoff returns…..
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 22, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If anyone had offered ANYTHING for Roscoe, Don't you think the FO would have taken it?
Instead of just Keeping him inactive? If they were waiting for a better offer and let an extra pick slip away, that is an indication that the FO is as deluded as Parrish seems to be. He’s not good enough to play, but too good to trade for a 6th rounder?
by milwaukee on Oct 22, 2009 8:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think your right in that if anyone had offered anything at all, the Bills would have taken it
I think there was no market because teams figure he will get cut for Hardy when he becomes active, they’ll be sad when we axe Jenkins.
As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Fewell, common sense says to play UP on the line against the slant.
by WABillsfan on Oct 22, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The point was they should have made this move in the offseason, not this past week.
I remain convinced that somehow Drew Rosenhaus negotiated a playing time deal for Roscoe into the contract for TO.
by thefourwinds on Oct 23, 2009 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roscoe is a cancer............
…. Doctor Galliford, give me my scapel, I’m going to cut it out.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Oct 22, 2009 8:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I read that as "Roscoe is a dancer"
which totally made sense to me, but i couldn’t make heads or tails out of the rest of your comment until i realized it was “cancer”
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by JPH on Oct 22, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roscoe has seemed pretty indecisive/apprehensive since last year...
on his punt returns. It’s lead to turnovers and poor decision making. If he’s not going to be an elite returner anymore, then he’s completely useless as a football player. These comments seem pretty typical of a Miami alumnis. They’re all very competitive, but they also tend to be self important with inflated senses of self worth.
by live6453 on Oct 22, 2009 8:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is anyone else disturbed by the ad with giant beaver who bites the guy's legs off???
I miss the hypnotic punching cat…….good times!
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by Joe P. on Oct 22, 2009 10:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like a Freudian problem to me, Joe.
:)
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by DBLuv on Oct 23, 2009 6:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Freudian ????????? The guy has two legs
Now, if the beaver was cutting down a mighty oak tree…….. :-)
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by Joe P. on Oct 23, 2009 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barring inury (and you can never assume that around here), is it safe to say Roscoe has played his last game as a Bill?
by krytime on Oct 22, 2009 10:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
naw, if they’re still sucking later in the season they’ll pull out the stops and do some reverses or something. but he’s definitely not playing anywhere near as much anytime soon.
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by the_prophet on Oct 22, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of reverses…
Why do they run it with Owens instead of Evans? I’d bet it’s just to get him the ball. Evans is clearly the faster guy with a sub 4.4 (should be pretty close to that time still, at his age).
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 23, 2009 7:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Evans is by far the quicker receiver
But they realize that our QBs can’t throw the ball to TO, and if they do he drops it soo, have to hand it to him…
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by Ghetts on Oct 23, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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