What does this stat really mean?

by sireric on Oct 22, 2009 6:59 PM EDT Comment 59 comments

In the Roscoe Parrish post that is currently on the front page, csc06258 throws this out there:

Since the AFL-NFL merge, Dick Jauron is the "worst coach" in history (.420% win record), and thats a FACT. That stat includes any coach who has coached over 135 games.

So I have to ask; Does that mean that Dick Jauron is the worst coach in the history of football? what does this stat really mean?

First we have to acknowledge a few things:

1) Dick Jauron is a good enough coach to have coached in at least 135 games, (139 regular season and 1 post season game to be exact).

2) Dick Jauron won NFL coach of the year in 2001 when he lead the Chicago Bears to a 13 - 3 record.

3) A 7 - 9 season, while below average, and not a winning season, isn't terrible. Yes I know that the Bills need to do better, and this team really needs to make the playoffs, but record wise, you could do much worse then 7 - 9, ask the Detroit Lions and their fans last year if they would switch with us.

What does this tell us?

Do we really think that if John Rauch, or Kay Stephenson, to name a few from Bills lore, would have been given 140 NFL games to coach that they would have done better? I don't think so. Jauron has at least a little bit of an idea of what he is doing, and it has worked in the past, at least once. He isn't a moron. He is in fact capable of coaching a winning team, he has done it before. Am I saying that he should stay, that he shouldn't be fired if the Bills fail to win more then 9 games this year? No, I am not. What I am saying is that this notion that Jauron is the worst coach in the history of the NFL are a complete fabrication, made from stats that have been twisted by disgruntled fans.

Lets keep this real here, Dick Jauron isn't a bumbling fool who coaches a team like the Keystone Cops, with the Benny Hill theme playing in his office 24/7. He is trying to make the team better. Just because you don't understand his reasoning on why the team would do something doesn't mean it is the wrong move.

Fourwinds, a Rumbler who I have plenty of respect for makes this statement:

Clearly, if someone is bad at something (e.g. if Jauron is a bad coach), what he thinks is a good move is really a bad one.

This again is a very true statement. If I have no clue at what I am doing and am just throwing guesses out there, the odds that I screw up are high. But Jauron has had success before, for at least one NFL season. For Whatever reason it isn't working out here. I'm not saying that he is a good coach, or that he is even an average head coach, but he must be doing at least a little something right for him to have 140 NFL game under his belt.

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DJ's 1st season at Buffalo

Wouldn’t you say going 7-9 his first year in buffalo with little talent was a good season for DJ.? He obviously did something right that season. He got the most out of an untalented team. Many said he got that team to “overachieve”. Doesnt that mean it had to be at least above average coaching? Also, didnt Peter King make a comment along the lines of “I watch this team and I get the feeling this team would play for free”?

How many years can we go without making the playoffs...eventually the odds go in your favor.........right?!?!?

by Rudy916 on Oct 22, 2009 7:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

right butttttttt

its great that during the first year we got a crap team to over achieve. But that was four years ago. The reason everyone is so boiling mad this year is not because people think DJ is the worst coach ever, that is a tiny, tiny, tiny minority. If you want to address the real reason people want to kick DJ out of town its because this years team is UNDERACHIEVING. Friends of mine of other teams look at our roster and shake their heads at our record. This team is UNDER PREFORMING. Some have blamed the QB, others have blamed the coach, others still have blamed the front office.

Me? Well, I just blame it on us being the Bills. Everyone here is aware we would be in first by a head to head tie breaker in the division if it wasnt for Leo’s fumble right? We SHOULD be 3-3, we COULD be 4-2. But we are the Bills, and thats the way life goes and on top of that WE SHOULD be 4-2 depsite being ravaged by injuries.

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by poz on Oct 23, 2009 3:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

good points

I was merely trying to point out that DJ can’t be that bad as a coach because of what he did in his 1st year. I do agree this team is underperforming this year.

How many years can we go without making the playoffs...eventually the odds go in your favor.........right?!?!?

by Rudy916 on Oct 23, 2009 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks for understanding the context of my comment. In this situation, I’m not saying he is or isn’t a bad coach, only that if we assume he’s trying to do the best job possible, he may not be capable of consistently making better decisions. Purely a hypothetical argument.

Good thoughts about some of the other losing coaches, that had they been given 140 games, they likely would have done worse. The one logical place to take the discussion from there (if I’m a fire-Jauron fan), is to say, “Jauron also should never have been granted the opportunity to coach this many games.”

I remain convinced that somehow Drew Rosenhaus negotiated a playing time deal for Roscoe into the contract for TO.

by thefourwinds on Oct 22, 2009 7:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Thus pushing the argument (source of suckitude) back to the FO/owner level.

I remain convinced that somehow Drew Rosenhaus negotiated a playing time deal for Roscoe into the contract for TO.

by thefourwinds on Oct 22, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly, with a more decisive owner/gm in either Buffalo or Chicago, Jauron more then likely doesn’t get 140 games. But he did, and the other didn’t.

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by sireric on Oct 22, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Injury riddled teams

I am not one to make excuses, because every team goes through injuries. I am also not a huge fan of how conservative Jauron is and how it has rubbed off on Perry Fewell and the defense. But with such a young team (i.e. o-line), injuries can absolutely kill you. I like Edwards a lot and aside from his injury issues, you can’t lose both starting tackles early on in the season and expect your QB to be as efficient as he would be with both tackles in there.

I have not even started on the injuries to the defense (Poz, Whitner, Leodis). If you take the starting SS, MLB and the #2 CB out of the lineup on any team, the results would be different (i.e. Ravens losing- Lewis, Reed & Foxworth / Stealers- Farrior, Palamalu, Gay.

My point is that we are a young team trying to find ourselves and the injuries don’t help. I think we will end up 7-9 again this year. I wont be happy with that, but I would be happy with an 8-8 record with all the injuries

by hilliarddavid on Oct 22, 2009 7:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I have not even started on the injuries to the defense (Poz, Whitner, Leodis). If you take the starting SS, MLB and the #2 CB out of the lineup on any team, the results would be different (i.e. Ravens losing- Lewis, Reed & Foxworth / Stealers- Farrior, Palamalu, Gay.

Didn’t seem to slow down the Patriots who lost Rodney Harrison (SS), Roosevelt Colvin (LB), Adalius Thomas (LB), Tedy Bruschi (LB) and some guy named Tom Brady last year. (And technically you could say they lost Gay and Samuel at CB because they never replaced them.)

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by twoeightnine on Oct 22, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

They didn’t make the playoffs either. :-)

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 22, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Barely.

And as Bills fans I don’t think we make fun of a team for not making the playoffs. Or having a winning record. Or being 6 games over .500.

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by twoeightnine on Oct 22, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Don’t think he was really make fun of them but just merely making a statement, the Pats with all those injuries still didn’t make the playoffs, and i think it’s safe to say that the Pats talent without those players still exceeded the Bills.

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by TearsofaClown on Oct 25, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Has the worst record among Bills coaches that have last longer than three years.

Duh – anyone with a worse record got fired.

Look I just manipulated stats. God job eric. Rec’d.

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 22, 2009 8:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I wonder what my record would have been as coach of this team? Probably not very good, as I would have insisted on making Aaron Merz the focal point of my teams offense…

I agree on all points of sireric’s post here. Getting to 140 games as a skipper is a pretty decent achievement. You can’t be that bad if you made it that long. There are thousands and thousands of guys who gladly would trade places with him, collecting 140 HC gamechecks in the process.

While he’ll never get the chance here, I’d like to imagine what DJ could have done with a strong and stable FO setting the table for him.

by krytime on Oct 22, 2009 9:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

It's alright

I would have made Everette Brown the focal point of my team’s offense!

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by Kurupt on Oct 23, 2009 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

the hatred for Jauron really is uncanny. People, when since 2000, we have had a decade long of failure, with 4 different HC’s..what does that tell you? The one constant has been Ralph Wilson and his FO committee approach until Donahoe was fired as GM. Jauron is a good coach. The players make the coach, and the front office picks the players. Sure, Jauron has had his say, maybe to much say, but an organization to succeed has to be on the same page from owner down to secretary. There has to be a mission, an identity. That is not the case in Buffalo. Jauron has put his stamp on this team, and has done the best he can. He’s worked tirelessly to build a winner for the city of Buffalo and has not done that. It’s not for a lack of trying

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by MARVelous on Oct 22, 2009 9:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Very true Marv

In Jauron’s defense….he has to cook the meal, but can’t decide on the groceries himself. Yes, he is not in a unique position, but the other members of the FO do bear a great deal of the responsibility for the moves that have not worked out. Jauron has one hand tied behind his back by Ralf and Co, and ties the other one behind his back himself…..or maybe more accurately, he was born with only 3 fingers. That is a lot for a guy to overcome. And let’s face it, Jauron has not had a good QB to work with. Edwards may be an average QB if he has a great Oline in front of him, but if he was a great QB he would have shown us that by now. Jauron is like that dog you got from the SPCA. He got lucky once, every dog has his day (13-3) when he slips his collar, jumps the fence, and violates the neighbors prize poodle. But after that, he stays chained in the backyard (7-9) after a quick trip to the vet.

Poor ball security leads to very painful outcomes

by Joe P. on Oct 22, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think Edwards would do much better in a west coast offense.

Too bad Jauron won’t realize that.

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 23, 2009 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

So the Bills "screwed the pooch" when they hired Jauron?

Right?

Ha! :)

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by Kurupt on Oct 23, 2009 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

LOL!!!! Right, and hopefully when we get another dog we will look for one that has won "Best in Show" a few times

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by Joe P. on Oct 23, 2009 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And let’s face it, Jauron has not had a good QB to work with

he also had an opportunity to take Cutler – or even trade up and take some other good QBs.

I don’t want to get into hindsight with drafts – however, he could have fixed that issue – and yes, even with JP seemingly doing well – it seemed fairly obvious that he was going to be somewhat successful

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by J2 on Oct 23, 2009 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree..... Jauron is part of the problem......I don't miss JP

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by Joe P. on Oct 23, 2009 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

he also had an opportunity to take Cutler

But the Bears paid a king’s ransom. That would have been fun, though. :-)

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 23, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

...in the draft

instead Whitner became a Bill

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by Kurupt on Oct 23, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Whitner or Cutler......tough call. /sarcasm

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by Joe P. on Oct 23, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I see. Sorry.

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 24, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He's a good defensive coach.

The man knows ZILCH about offense, until he does he won’t be good head coach.

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 23, 2009 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Jauron has put his stamp on this team, and has done the best he can. He’s worked tirelessly to build a winner for the city of Buffalo and has not done that. It’s not for a lack of trying

MARV, but the one think Jauron does get to pick is his assistants, and he seems to have done a lousy job of that.

I remain convinced that somehow Drew Rosenhaus negotiated a playing time deal for Roscoe into the contract for TO.

by thefourwinds on Oct 23, 2009 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

“…the one thing…”

I remain convinced that somehow Drew Rosenhaus negotiated a playing time deal for Roscoe into the contract for TO.

by thefourwinds on Oct 23, 2009 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

This doesn't really prove much

other than Jauron is not a very good head coach.

Obviously having such a terrible record means more than actually getting to coach 140+ games. I think that says it all. Sure, Jauron is hardly the worst head coach in the history of the NFL, or even in the last 5 years, but he isn’t a good head coach either. He’s not even close to being a good head coach.

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by Kurupt on Oct 23, 2009 1:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Exactly. The quote was:

Dick Jauron is the “worst coach” in history (.420% win record), and thats a FACT.

My point is that if you you give some other coaches through the history of the NFL more games , they would have a worse record.

At the rate he was going, do we think that Rod Miranelli would have topped that .420%? I don’t think so. I’m not saying that he isn’t the best or even a good coach, just that he isn’t as bad as some around here make him out to be.

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by sireric on Oct 23, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

but then

the next sentence is the disclaimer that this list is inclusive of coaches who have coached >135 games.
I don’t think there’s arguing that there probably would be coaches w/even worse winning %’s over time but given the data it is what it is.

by gatornation on Oct 23, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That stat doesn’t surprise me. I think it actually reinforces what many of us think about Jauron. The guy is the embodiment of mediocrity. I’ve defended Jauron from critics who have been calling him the worst at this or the worst at that because he isn’t that bad of a head coach. I also think he’s gotten mediocre teams to play hard, but he’s the reason why they are so mediocre. People talk about how we have a young and talented team and I don’t see it. I think this is a below average roster that ends up with below average records. Jauron isn’t a terrible coach, but he’s not a good one or even an average one. And he’s been here four years and this is his roster, so there’s nobody left to blame but him (unless you have some issues with Ralph). So I get why people are so fed up with him that it sometimes goes beyond being just fed up. Jauron has been good enough to stay in the league all these years, but not good enough to post winning records. He defines mediocre. We shouldn’t hate Jauron, but like the guy who you don’t dislike, but is always the last guy to leave your party, it’ll be a relief when he finally walks out the door.

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by kaisertown on Oct 23, 2009 3:11 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs

Well done......"Dick Jauron...the embodiment of mediocrity."

But relief won’t come until we see who they replace him with. If my Mike Nolan prediction comes true……..well, relief will not be the word I use.

Poor ball security leads to very painful outcomes

by Joe P. on Oct 23, 2009 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Kaisertown, this is the best-written comment on Jauron I’ve seen in quite a long time. Rec’d.

I remain convinced that somehow Drew Rosenhaus negotiated a playing time deal for Roscoe into the contract for TO.

by thefourwinds on Oct 23, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

rec’d

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by moncheri on Oct 24, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

guys this is getting out of control

all of a sudden everyone feels about for Jauron and wants to defend him?

Just because a small group of people are saying he is the worst coach doesn’t mean everyone needs to get worked up about how hard Jauron is trying, or how its not his fault.

he may not be the worst head coach ever but it is his fault. A lot of you say that its not Jauron’s fault he has the players he does or that he works for a terrible front office that has been losing for a while and an owner who has lost for a decade and then you turn right around and say the fact hes coached for four years is proof hes not that bad. Well maybe that same front office that is collecting these “bad” players you all refer to is the same fron office that is so dumb its keep a losing coach around?

I think our roster is very good. I like the talent we’ve amassed and I like the youth and energy. What I don’t like is our style of play, our attitude, and our ability to CLOSE games and as last year showed CLOSE out seasons. I’m pretty sure that falls on the head coach not the front office.

Yeesh, everyone here knows I’m not a Jauron bashed but please, enough with the posts defending the guy. He doesn’t deserve it right now. I am aware we should be 3-3 and could be 4-2 and in first over the Pats, I personally dont thikn Jauron is a bad coach and think he could be a good coach. But right now he isn’t and everyone wants to defend him because we feel bad.

Is the realization that hes going to get fired -something you ALL have been clamoring for for years now – suddenly making you realize that hes actually leaving? Are we have emotional attachment issues? An era that everyone wanted to end is suddenly ending and now we all want to defend Jauron because we’ll miss him? Even fervent Soviet Union oppositionsists who fought for decades to overthrow the empire became nostalgic when it was in its last throes. 4 years is a long time and I think folks are defending Jauron because we’re used to him. Its the same way people called for Losman’s head and then started defending him when it was obvious he was gone. I expect the same to happen to Edwards (who I still believe has a bright future in this league).

I’m rambling, point is, Jauron doesnt deserve the defense hes getting. Because 1% of rumblers think hes the worst Bills coach ever? There are always extremists, fact is, hes not getting the job done.

All that said, we are going to be 5-4 soon! If the bills finish with 10 wins, DJ should keep his job.

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by poz on Oct 23, 2009 3:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

amen

the bottom line is the HC has not got the job done and he needs to go if he is unable to get it done. is it all his fault, no, but it is abundantly clear that this team has hit the ceiling with him and changes are needed. we have tried the continuity thing, but all it has gotten the team is a losing record with no playoff appearances.
the next hire (GM and HC) is extremely crucial to the long term success of this franchise in Buffalo. If Wilson does not see that his committee approach and the lack of a true football guy running the show isn’t working and he keeps Brandon as GM and brings in another puppet this team could very well be done in this city.

by gatornation on Oct 23, 2009 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I wouldn't worry poz

Jauron is a goner and must of us are still very supportive of that move. But things in life are rarely black and white. Other members of the FO do share some responsibility and change is needed at the GM position too. Jauron does do some things well as a HC and it is OK to acknowledge that. But Jauron isn’t a good enough coach to overcome the FO handicap and all of his deficiencies …… eerily similar to Edwards as QB.

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by Joe P. on Oct 23, 2009 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Don't start talking about Edwards

This community is going to go into a frenzy (some defending and some ousting the QB) on this issue. I can see it coming very soon…..like when the team gets to a 4-5 record when there is nearly no hope for the playoffs.

Must be close to Halloween — the horror stories in Buffalo keeps on coming….

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by moncheri on Oct 24, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Direct quote from post:

Am I saying that he should stay, that he shouldn’t be fired if the Bills fail to win more then 9 games this year? No, I am not. What I am saying is that this notion that Jauron is the worst coach in the history of the NFL are a complete fabrication, made from stats that have been twisted by disgruntled fans.

Yes he should and I believe will be fired at seasons end. I have no issue with this, I just wish that people would keep the facts straight, and stop blurring the line between reality and fiction.

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by sireric on Oct 23, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

What does this tell us?

it tells us that out of the coaches that have coached 140 games – DJ is the least successful

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by J2 on Oct 23, 2009 8:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Right. But does that mean he is the worst coach in history? A good coach? A decent coach? What do those numbers really tell us?

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 23, 2009 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i have no idea – but it does tell us he is the least successful coach that has coached 140 games.

I think that speaks for itself.

one word I guess comes to mind – mediocre

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by J2 on Oct 23, 2009 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It means he's the tallest midget

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by Kurupt on Oct 23, 2009 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And he probably wears lifts :-)

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by Joe P. on Oct 23, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Quantity vs. Quality

I would take a coach with 70 games and a record over .500 than a coach with 140 games and a .400 record.

The point of the original statement:

Since the AFL-NFL merge, Dick Jauron is the “worst coach” in history (.420% win record), and thats a FACT. That stat includes any coach who has coached over 135 games.

is that when you compare apples to apples (coaches who have coached a min. 135 games) he is the worst. Can’t argue that fact. Nobody is twisting the stats.

Definitely not the worst coach every, though, that would be one of the coaches that never made it anywhere near 135 games.

by Slick Shifty on Oct 23, 2009 9:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

in fact I think it means

of all the coaches given the most time to succeed, Jauron has done the worst. Thats a pretty condemning stat.

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by poz on Oct 23, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Is it? It means he was good enough to last seven years as a head coach. He also has won a Coach of the Year award.

of all the coaches given the most time to succeed, Jauron has done the worst.

Given? As if in gift form?

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 24, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nobody is twisting the stats.

Maybe you aren’t but that doesn’t mean others aren’t. This stat was used to explain why Roscoe Parrish was no longer returning punts. The poster of this comment wanted Roscoe as the PR, and thought that this explained why he wasn’t there. Apparently Jauron is the worst coach in the history of the NFL and this stat proves it so that explains why he does things like taking Roscoe off the return unit.

That of course means proves nothing.

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by sireric on Oct 23, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I've never been a huge supporter

of Dick Jauron but I’m pretty sure Norv Turner is a worse head coach.

by Zorak84 on Oct 23, 2009 3:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

close

but I think Jauron edges him out in a close race.

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 24, 2009 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe it means that...

…DJ has been just good enough to win the HC job at two losing organizations in a row. After all, how often does a guy get another HC job immediately after being fired from a team like Detroit? Well, his record at Chicago, though mixed, indicated that he could coach, and how can you really blame a guy for losing in Detriot? And after three years here, Wilson said at the end of last year that our problem wasn’t the coaching, it was the lack of talent. So DJ was given a pass. Again. That’s how a coach gets to contend for the longest losing record.

Looking back at DJ’s cv, I recall that under his direction Chicago moved from being a cellar dweller to a contender in a short time. It seemed that when L Smith took over, his early success was built on DJ’s foundation. But perhaps others in the Chicago organization had more to do with the rebuilding than DJ had. I don’t know, but the last three years seem to point in that direction.

I agree wholeheartedly with Brian that the focus should not even be on Jauron, it should be on the GM or lack thereof.

by Sixteenthback on Oct 23, 2009 3:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

After all, how often does a guy get another HC job immediately after being fired from a team like Detroit?

He was an interim coach in Detroit after serving as defensive coordinator. He wasn’t fired.

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 24, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Jauron Shot Himself in the Foot

Besides Jauron’s overall conservative approach, he’s made some really bad decisions and he’s compounded them by making changes all too late. And he’s also been a terrible game-day coach.

Dick Jauron made Turk Schonert a member of his staff. He promoted him to OC. He refused to fire him after the ‘08 season and didn’t relent until 10 days or so before this season. ALL of these decisions were his own.

The offense was so bad, anyone from any vantagepoint other than Jauron’s apparently, saw that this offense was heading in the wrong direction. Jauron did NOTHING. At the very least, he’s proven himself incompetent by not recognizing a problem much, much earlier.

But it doesn’t stop there, his game-day mismanagement has become way to common.

In ’08, there were 2 games where had simply took off his headset and walked away from the sideline the Bills would have won and had their record go to 9-7 on the season instead of a third year of 7-9.

This is all piled on top of the late-season collapse years.

Who cares is jauron is the worst of all-time or whatever. Let the next team who hires him debate that.

All that is relevant is that he’s failed. Period.

by kgun201 on Oct 23, 2009 7:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Besides Jauron’s overall conservative approach, he’s made some really bad decisions

having a conservative approach is not a bad decision. It work just as well as opening up an offense but you have to build a team which plays to conservative strengths. Smash mouth o-line, lane opening fullback, a big, aggressive defense, and an offense that protects the football. Instead we had a carousel at o-line, never had a fullback, a small, reactionary defense, and were turnover prone.

The no huddle is gone, please sign tackles Runyan, Jones or Walker

by poz on Oct 24, 2009 3:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

"besides"

If you read what I said again, I did not say saving a conservative approach is a bad decision. But if you are going to be so conservative with regard to your playcalling and philosophy, why are you then so NOT conservative with regard to personell decisions that you put your stamp on?

Jauron is every bit accountable for the “carousel at -line, never [having] a fullback…. etc.”

He’s responsible, and he has failed. What else is there to say?

by kgun201 on Oct 26, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He refused to fire him after the ‘08 season and didn’t relent until 10 days or so before this season.

So he gave the guy a second chance and when that guy didn’t change he canned him. Screw me once, shame on you. He didn’t let Schonert screw him again. He didn’t do nothing. He fired the OC as you said. Before that I’d bet my house he had conversations with Schonert about changing the offense. You don’t just go “I don’t like this offense, Turk. Go find another job.” He did recognize it… and fired his OC!

In ’08, there were 2 games where had simply took off his headset and walked away from the sideline the Bills would have won and had their record go to 9-7 on the season instead of a third year of 7-9.

Which? Why?

Playing Realistic Optimist at Buffalo Rumblings since 2008. Ignoring the grumblings on Rumblings.

by MattRichWarren on Oct 24, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Which? Why?

I’m thinking the Jet’s game and the Browns game, may be more of the Offensive coordinators fault then Jauren’s tho.

"Did you feel you did well against Lindland?" "
Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
---Rampage

by TearsofaClown on Oct 25, 2009 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

baffles me

I don’t think anyone misunderstands what you’ve just said. But explaining away how he failed – by making poor decisions and correcting them too late – doesn’t excuse it.

All I said was “who cares” if he’s the worst of all time, the best of all time… whatever. He’s failed, repeatedly. Let his next employer debate it.

by kgun201 on Oct 26, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs