Buffalo Rumblings: An SB Nation Community

Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Sports blogs for fans, by fans.
Around SBN: Guest Blogger: Juco All-American Answers Five Questions

Bills' Owens still has value despite struggles

Photo

More photos » by Nell Redmond - AP

The Buffalo Bills shocked the football world way back on March 7, 2009 when they made by far their highest-profile free agent signing in franchise history by inking WR Terrell Owens to a one-year, $6.5 million deal.  The move was heralded as the Bills' boldest move towards fielding a winning team and an explosive offense, and with Owens lining up next to Lee Evans, visions of big plays danced in Bills fans' heads.

To this point, Owens has been a massive disappointment - statistically, anyways.  Through his first seven games in a Bills uniform, Owens has caught just 18 passes for 242 yards, with one Week 2 touchdown his only score on the season.  Even worse, he's dropped nearly as many passes as he's caught, and fans are beginning to notice a perceived lack of interest from the 35-year-old star receiver.  The lack of production led a large contingent of Bills fans to call for an Owens trade last week - but as the NFL's trade deadline has now passed, Owens is stuck in Buffalo for at least the duration of his one-year deal.  It's not that Owens hasn't been open or that he's lost any of his physical skills (besides, perhaps, his hands) - it's that the plays just aren't being made.

Yet in the Bills' past two games - both Bills victories - Owens has still proven to be a valuable commodity for Buffalo's struggling offense.  In those two wins, Owens has caught only 6 passes for 40 yards.  But his presence alone is helping the aforementioned Evans re-gain some of his old flair for the dramatic.

Star-divide

Evans had a big year statistically in 2006, when, catching passes from the venerable J.P. Losman, Evans hauled in 82 passes for 1,292 yards and 8 touchdowns - easily his most productive NFL season.  Once opposing defenses began to pay more attention to him in the form of double- and sometimes triple-teams, Evans' production slipped.  He caught as many touchdown passes combined in 2007 and 2008 (8) as he did in his career-best 2006 season.  That's part of the reason Owens was brought in in the first place - to free up Evans.

Though it didn't work early on this season, Owens' presence has helped Evans re-assert himself into Buffalo's offense over the past two weeks.  Facing frequent single coverage, Evans has had two productive weeks in a row, catching 9 passes for 143 yards and two touchdowns in Buffalo's last two games.  His 37-yard catch-and-run on a slant from Ryan Fitzpatrick tied the Bills' eventual win in New York; he caught a two-yard slant for a score in Sunday's win over Carolina, then added a 50-yard reception to set up another field goal.  Evans' three touchdowns this season is already as many as he caught in the entirety of the 2008 season.  Historically, when Evans has made big plays in this offense, Buffalo has enjoyed success on the field in terms of points and wins.

Buffalo doesn't need both Owens and Evans to make big plays in a given game to perform well.  That's the true beauty of having both players on the team - it's almost a given that, with smart play-calling and even average quarterback play, one or the other will make big plays in a game.  If either is out of the lineup, the big plays become infinitely harder to achieve.  That's why Owens still has tremendous value to Buffalo's offense - he's still a threat to make the big play, and he makes life much easier for Evans as well.

Of course, it would be much easier on Buffalo's quarterbacks if both were producing.  Owens has suffered several let-downs this season, nearly all of them in the form of dropped passes.  At 3-4, Buffalo is still very much alive in the playoff chase, but they won't win many more games if they continue to play as poorly offensively as they have been.  One of the biggest issues has been Owens - he's had some chances to bail out some terrible quarterback and offensive line play this season, and he's failed to do so.  His play right now is borderline unacceptable - and that needs to change ASAP.  But let's not pretend that an ineffective Owens doesn't still have value to Buffalo's offense.  He does.  If he ever gets his act together, that value will multiply dramatically - and Buffalo might actually look like a competent NFL offense.

1 recs  |  Comment 54 comments |

Story-email Email Printer Print

Comments

Display:

Two Points

I am receiving this post, couldn’t agree more. Point one we scored two offensive touchdowns yesterday. 2nd point. We had zero turnovers. These two points are expected on a weekly basis, but not with this young, very young team. Still along way to go, but instead of firing everyone and benching everyone and letting the rookies play and why didn’t we draft this guy instead. These are two big positives.

Excuses are a sign of weakness!!!!!!

by VanScottM on Oct 26, 2009 9:38 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I remember Evans in 2007 saying

words to the effect that he missed having J.P. out there. He didn’’t want to blast new QB and teammate Trent Edwards but he was obviously unappy the long passes were not being thrown much anymore. The next year he said the same thing to folks in the audience on one of his media shows one week..

Thus, it isn’t just double-teaming that has lowered Evans numbers – it was also new QB and offensive strategy which cut down the number of long bombs to Lee.

by ccthemovieman on Oct 26, 2009 9:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I can’t believe I’m typing this, cause I hated the guy and I’ve been a big Trent Edwards booster but I’m missing him a little myself. I’m going to go play in traffic now.

Well we tried the no offense huddle, why not give the no huddle offense a go?!!

by mavadjdj on Oct 26, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Always more room on the Locomotives bandwagon!

Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.

by UZ on Oct 27, 2009 4:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I support whomever the Bills trot out on the field, but man Edwards has to loosen up a little and take some shots downfield. At least with JP life was never boring lmao.

Well we tried the no offense huddle, why not give the no huddle offense a go?!!

by mavadjdj on Oct 27, 2009 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

good write up Brian

but your piece still begs the question. Owens wasn’t taking off pressure earlier in the season before the last two games according to your piece. But somehow you neglect to point out the Ryan Fitzpatrick factor. I know you probably did that on purpose to avoid an Edwards vs Fitz discussion but it nonetheless is hard to ignore. Owens is for sure drawing coverage off Evans – but I would argue he always was but that Edwards simply wasn’t making the right throws or reads to get Lee the ball. Fitz is.

The no huddle is gone, please sign tackles Runyan, Jones or Walker

by poz on Oct 26, 2009 10:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think it has more to do with the types of plays being called than the quarterbacks. I won’t deny that Fitzpatrick has helped tremendously simply by being decisive.

Buffalo Rumblings. On Twitter.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. --Wayne Grezky" --Michael Scott

by Brian Galliford on Oct 26, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

interesting

if it is the types of plays being called do you mean the coaches were babying Edwards and not calling the same plays they are now – hence, not having confidence in him?

Or do you mean the use of slants to appease Fitz’s weak arm?

If the playcalls have changed under Fitz it may say a lot about the coaches confidence in Edwards or the failure of AVP and DJ’s no huddle.

The no huddle is gone, please sign tackles Runyan, Jones or Walker

by poz on Oct 26, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I mean that, as I’ve said in more than one film session, Edwards can’t throw the slant to save his life, so they don’t call slants for Edwards. The slant is one of the few throws that Fitzpatrick can make. The difference in QB strengths leads to the difference in play-calling.

The play-calling hasn’t changed under Fitzpatrick, not in terms of style, anyways. Less screens (Fitzpatrick has no touch), less out routes and sevens (throws Trent can make), more digs, posts, and yes, slants.

An argument can be made that, ultimately, the types of throws that Fitzpatrick excels at are better for the offense than the types of throws Edwards excels at. But that’s beside the point of the original article, which was about Terrell Owens.

Buffalo Rumblings. On Twitter.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. --Wayne Grezky" --Michael Scott

by Brian Galliford on Oct 26, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hahaha

i’lll stop there, I know this is the last tangent you want to go on!

But I will say, I think Owens could be contributed statistically as well if not for his own drops. His value on next years market is falling more due to his own errors than playing for the Bills, something no one predicted. I think he is still a great fit here, he adds a lot to the offense with just his presence.

The no huddle is gone, please sign tackles Runyan, Jones or Walker

by poz on Oct 26, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It seems Trent’s problems stem from not being decisive. That’s why he can’t hit on slants. They are a timing type route, and Trent doesn’t trust that his guy will be in the spot he needs to be. I think if we give Edwards just a little more time in the “huddle” offense, he’ll work out his issues with the slants and such. I think if Trent was kept upright in that Jets game, the outcome may have been even better than what we got from Fitzie. If Edwards starts to trust again, he’ll look a lot more decisive.

That TD throw to Evans’ on the short slant was a thing of beauty :) just sayin. I hope Edwards gets to a place where he can make those throws. It seems Edwards one and only throw option in the end zone is the fade to the back corner.

by syrbillsfan on Oct 26, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The issue isn’t that Trent can’t throw the slant. The problem is that Trent has a strong arm but he has a slow release. It is not Byron Lefwitch slow but it is also not too fast. He is deliberate because thats what his mechanics require. This is why he has always had a decent completion percentage through out his pro and college career. Even on his quick outs to the wide recievers the ball is there later than most qb’s because of his slow release mechanics.
It’s not a knock on TE because I think he is abetter than average QB but it does hamper him some. His escape ability in the pocket is also effected by this because when he moves in the pocket it takes him too long to reset his feet to get the ball downfield, thus leading to sacks or him scrambling for 5-10 yds.

by Honestabe75 on Oct 26, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m 180 degrees from you, Abe – I think Trent has one of the quickest releases in the game. His throwing motion is very compact, and when he knows where he’s going with the ball, the throw is quick and generally is a good-to-great play. His problem is hesitance and indecisiveness, not mechanical.

And here I go off on the tangent that I was trying to avoid.

T.O.!

Buffalo Rumblings. On Twitter.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. --Wayne Grezky" --Michael Scott

by Brian Galliford on Oct 26, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Understandable… and I am by no way attempting to start any QB issues I believe that TE is our QB!

I alos would like to James Hardy sooner rather than later. It would be nice if he could be the one taking pressure off Lee because you know he is going to give 100% every play (at least this year).

by Honestabe75 on Oct 26, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Creat a post only on Trent vs Fitz

So that we can have some fun.

For the record I sorta agree with you, that Trent has a quick release and that this year he is undecisive and at times confused. But I think his arm strenght is weak and he can’t throw a bullet, he just does not have the arm strenght to do it, which is why the slant ins don’t work properly because unless the guy is wide open to start with, the ball floats too much and it’s dangerous for INTS, at least Trent is aware of his shortcomings and chooses to check down in those circumstances. He is totally unable to zip one into a very small window.

That pass from Fitz to Evans yesterday was a thing of beauty and Trent would never be able make a throw like that.

I have nothing left to say, these Bills have sucked me dry of any hope. Loosing to a team that completes 2-17 for 23y with 1 INT, that is beyond pitiful!

by keysh67 on Oct 26, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That pass from Fitz to Evans yesterday was a thing of beauty and Trent would never be able make a throw like that.

Which one?

Playing Realistic Optimist at Buffalo Rumblings since 2008. Ignoring the grumblings on Rumblings.

by MattRichWarren on Oct 27, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Replays and films

are all I get to watch. And Lee Evans has been getting himself opened on a weekly basis. Partly, as you mentioned, because of TO. However, it is useless if the QB cannot get the ball into Evans’ hands. A logical progression of your post would be to start Fitz instead of Edwards, because Fitz can get the ball to an open Evans (eg: on slants) while Edwards cannot (partly due to his inability to throw slants).

I can understand that backup QBs might not have all the physical, mental, and intangible gifts a team would like/need, but how can any NFL team bank its future on a QB who can’t make this and that throw? Slant, post, go, dig/comeback, and out routes are the most basic routes. If a QB can only throw to half of those routes, then what good is he?? It also limits what your offense can do, and make yourself much easier to defend against.

Your point about TO is moot if our QB can’t get the ball to Evans, which is what you seem to be leading us to think if the Bills continue to start Edwards.

Bills fan half way around the world

by moncheri on Oct 26, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No team does everything well..........

it’s better to have a handful of things you can do right (slants, posts etc) and use those as the basis of your offense then to have nothing at all…….to coin a famous line

“Sure we would love to be able to throw all the routes…..but we can only throw the slants….so we’ll go from there”

If it works………..then stick with it.

"In every adversity there lies the seed of an equivalent advantage. In every defeat is a lesson showing you how to win the victory next time." (Robert Collier)

by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 26, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But what exactly is working for the Bills offense thus far?

I can’t pin-point any. Is it a mis-match of personnel the Bills have between QB and WR? In which case the Bills should start Fitz instead of Edwards instead? [Note: I’m only throwing out a question for discussion. If Edwards is healthy, I prefer Edwards over Fitz anyday of the week.]

Bills fan half way around the world

by moncheri on Oct 26, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rec’d, because you’re right – i’m tired of what who says and what who does. if you win, you play. End of story.

by quantumuprising on Oct 26, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

great minds......

yada yada yada lol

"Maybe Fitzy just has a horsehoe up his ass winning the two games he has, but you don’t bench someone who has a horseshoe up his ass." - Applsoss

by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 26, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I see

that there is a growing preference for Fitz over Edwards on this blog :)

Bills fan half way around the world

by moncheri on Oct 30, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A logical progression of your post would be to start Fitz instead of Edwards, because Fitz can get the ball to an open Evans (eg: on slants) while Edwards cannot (partly due to his inability to throw slants).

Fitz has thrown 7 completions to Lee. Edwards, 14 this season. I wouldn’t go saying he can’t get the ball to Evans.

Playing Realistic Optimist at Buffalo Rumblings since 2008. Ignoring the grumblings on Rumblings.

by MattRichWarren on Oct 27, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Confidence in their speed

It seems as though Fitz is confident that Lee will get by his man, throwing the ball to him before he’s even gotten by the corner. Same for TO, Fitz was launching teh ball before TO had his guy beat. Maybe watching the game from home will do Trent some good to see his receivers beating their guys down field. Trent is more accurate than Fitz, and will put the ball on them better than Fitz, so long as he’s confident enough to throw it.

Trample the weak, hurdle the dead!

by fansince83 on Oct 26, 2009 10:06 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i think

Trent’s confidence could already be in trouble. His team is 1-4 with him and 2-0 ON THE ROAD without him.

The no huddle is gone, please sign tackles Runyan, Jones or Walker

by poz on Oct 26, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

as bad as we look

As bad as the Bills have looked and I’m the leader of the complain train…the Bills seriously should be 5-2…The BEST WORST team in the league.

by rdarden50 on Oct 26, 2009 10:24 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I keep reading from people that we should be 5-2. The only game that I would agree we probably should have one is against the Patriots. Just because we gave Cleveland 3 doesn’t mean we would have won that game if we don’t turn the ball over. I’m not convinced we would have scored again if the punt return wasn’t botched. We could also seriously be 1-6 the way we’ve played. Some things have gone our way and some things haven’t. I think 3-4 is about right up to this point, however, I am optomistic that this team will continue to improve throughout this season and keep things interesting.

by TJJ on Oct 26, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The resurgence of Lee Evans

Will crawl under TO’s skin. This will bring out the TO we signed from the FA list. He is a man that craves internal competitiion. In SF is was Jerry Rice, In Philly it was D. McNabb and in Dallas it was J. Witten and T. Romo. As messed up as that sounds, Lee Evans resurgence will bring out the real T.O. including the drops. It is known that T.O.‘s ego is out there on an island by itself. When it is done he will say he doesn’t play second fiddle to anyone.

Excuses are a sign of weakness!!!!!!

by VanScottM on Oct 26, 2009 10:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

disagree

His overall field presence and demeanor point to a permanent blaze` attitude. He is “miming” his way through the season and collecting $6.5MM for his “effort”. The contract should have had some performance clauses, which I suspect isn’t the case, given the geniuses at OBD.
Hope I’m wrong and you’re right…

by fansince60 on Oct 26, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The contract should have had some performance clauses, which I suspect isn’t the case, given the geniuses at OBD.

Most contracts around the league don’t have performance stuff in them cause agents don’t want to sign them. Why do you gotta put OBD down for that?

Playing Realistic Optimist at Buffalo Rumblings since 2008. Ignoring the grumblings on Rumblings.

by MattRichWarren on Oct 27, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking the same thing, but I’d be surprised if TO didn’t keep any resentment to himself. I’m hoping Lee continues producing and this serves as added motivation for TO to start making big plays.

by TJJ on Oct 26, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

TO isnt looking to retire after this year.

If he continues the way everyone is saying then he will be done. His teammates will bring out the monster in him by their play. Thus making him the ultimate team player.

Excuses are a sign of weakness!!!!!!

by VanScottM on Oct 26, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, I misunderstood and agree with you.

by TJJ on Oct 26, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Owens: Positives and Negatives

On the positive side: He does give the bills a tough WR to break bump and run coverage, one-on-one coverage, and give the safety over the top something to think about when Lee is on the other side. He also shows some emotion on our team when he is involved in the offense or makes a catch or two.

On the negative side: His drops and inability to find the long ball in the air after it is thrown are very poor. I think someone should check his eye-sight, because on the bomb where he beat the CB yesterday and the ball was was underthrown a little, Owens seemed to never see the ball or make an adjustment like a lot of the top receivers make in those situations. It almost looked foolish. His other drops are not good either because those sometimes can be drive killers especially for this offense.

A MAJOR negative that I see is Owens run blocking. He rarely gives an effort to the downfield blocking needed to help our RB’s. Yesterday during one run deepin in Carolina’s territory, Marshawn cut back and was fighting for extra yardage and in the camera angle, Owens who was in the slot trotted out to the CB and barely tried to get in front of the guy, then as Marshawn broke a few tackles like he usually does, Owens is just standing nearby and watching when defenders are flying to the ball around him. Even if the run is not nearby Owens, he should be making a lot more of an effort there.

Whether it is Hardy or Johnson in the second half of the season, I’d like to see them sub more Owens some and see what they can do outside. Either of these guys are the Heir apparent outside and need all the playtime they can get out there.

by dabillsr1 on Oct 26, 2009 10:53 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It’s discouraging to see Owens’ lack of run blocking. In prevous years, he was lauded for laying the wood out down the field.

Twitter: helping to make anti-social people anti-socially social.

by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 27, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree to a certain point

You are absolutely right that without TO drawing double coverage Lee would not be making plays.

My concern is TO cannot continue on this pace without a major blow-up. He is playing for his next contract and right now it looks like he will be retiring next year. He will not get the type of contract that he thinks he deserves based on this year’s performance (so far). The problem is what I’ve been saying for a while is that TO drops a lot of targets and he needs a lot in order to make plays, we simply do not take enough pokes for him to ultimately be effective and at one point I fear that he is going to realize that and realize that he has painted himself in a corner.

Meanwhile it’s great for Lee, I agree.

I have nothing left to say, these Bills have sucked me dry of any hope. Loosing to a team that completes 2-17 for 23y with 1 INT, that is beyond pitiful!

by keysh67 on Oct 26, 2009 11:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I can’t help but think he CAN’T explode now. Although we could be getting him the ball more, etc, he has proven that he either a.) can’t catch the ball or b.) isn’t willing to make moves to get the ball, as in that deep throw in yesterday’s game. Are you telling me a receiver who has something to prove wouldn’t have gotten in the air for that ball and battled the db?

He knows he’d be destroyed by the media if he blew up now. He was probably targeted what, 8 or 9 times yesterday?

by quantumuprising on Oct 26, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m a little skeptical on this TO value:

1. Owens has been on the team all year. Why is he helping Evans just the last two games?

2. Let’s not get too crazy with Evans the last two games. 9 for 143 the last two games is 72 catches for 1144 yards over an entire season. Last year with the dreck at WR#2 Evans had 63 for 1017. So basically, over Evans best two games this year, he’s half a catch for 8 more yards a game than he was over the entire 2008 season which was considered a disappointment. He’s on pace this season for 43 catches and 600 yards. TO is really helping him? What would he do without TO out there?

Evans should be getting 80 catches for 1200 yards regardless of who the other starting receiver is. He’s obviously impacted by both the QB and OL, but I don’t see the value TO is bringing.

The TDs are nice, but were both quick slants that weren’t because TO was doubled. They beat a blitz, and forced a slant between the corner and safety on the other yesterday (which if a little off could have gone for a pick 6).

3. Is Owens really commanding any special attention? A Jets player said they didn’t double him the entire game: http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=cr-owensfall102209&prov=yhoo&type=lgns. You can only see so much downfield on TV, but I don’t get the impression he’s drawing defenses to him.

I think this Evans ‘resurgence’ is more of AVP making it more of an emphasis to get him the ball and Fitzpatrick being a little more decisive (if not more erratic). I don’t see how any of this is Owens related, and frankly, I think DJ and/or AVP go out of their way to force more to Owens than they should because they’re worried about keeping him happy.

by Pistol on Oct 26, 2009 12:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

1a Fitz can zip the ball in on slants
1b Fitz takes more shots downfield
1c Fitz confirmed in his press-conf that he seems to prefer Evans over Owens (which is a good thing)

2 I agree Evans is way over paid and over rated

3 I think TO is doubled at least as often as Lee is.

I have nothing left to say, these Bills have sucked me dry of any hope. Loosing to a team that completes 2-17 for 23y with 1 INT, that is beyond pitiful!

by keysh67 on Oct 26, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

FWIW, I never said Evans was overpaid or overrated. I’m just saying by looking at his results, and the comment from the Jet player that they didn’t double him & didn’t feel the need to, that TO is not having any sort of positive impact on Evans.

by Pistol on Oct 26, 2009 1:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Getting very tired of TO, and starting to want to see Scubba Steve or Hardy getting some of his reps

I would rather watch them dropping balls than TO.

Poor ball security leads to very painful outcomes

by Joe P. on Oct 26, 2009 1:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agree with VanScottM's comments

I Agree with VanScottM’s comments, T.O. loves competition and its just a matter of time T.O will explode on the football field that is. Keep your eyes on number #81, just when you think he is defeated, watch him pull the rabbit out of his hat. I do believe T.O. is committed to the Buffalo Bills. Everyone is judging him from his past experiences with other teams. Terrell Owens never played for a losing team nor a team with this many problems in his career. The season is not over yet, the Bills are still fighting to stay alive in the divisional race.

by Hurricane$$ on Oct 26, 2009 2:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Owens' value is measured in the run game

Quite simply, Owens is the reason that opposing defenses have been reluctant to stack the box. Or, more correctly, Owens paired with Evans has kept opposing defenses honest. I’ve been amazed at how often the Bills have come to the line to see only 6 defenders in the box. Owens can keep on ‘underproducing’ so long as opposing defenses keep worrying about him.

Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner

by Ron From NM on Oct 26, 2009 2:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

How many yards did we gain on the ground yesterday?

I was born in Buffalo, and NO, it's not a suburb of New York City

by Ghetts on Oct 26, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think

3 yards. Total.

"Next time I get the opportunity I am going to hold on and make a better decision." ~ Leodis McKelvin. (Can't ask for anythitng more than that)

by NolaBillsFan on Oct 26, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

53, actually. But nice try.

Buffalo Rumblings. On Twitter.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. --Wayne Grezky" --Michael Scott

by Brian Galliford on Oct 26, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No no, that’s Freddies numbers you’re looking at.

Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.

by UZ on Oct 27, 2009 4:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It wasn't for lack of opportunity

The Bills faced 8 in the box pretty much only at the end of the game. Linemen combined for 17 bad run plays. Granted sometimes linemen more than one lineman screwed up on a run play but that’s a huge number of mistakes.

TO forced the defense to play honest; the line didn’t take advantage of the opportunity.

Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner

by Ron From NM on Oct 26, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hardy activation

If and when Hardy is activated from the PUP list, what are the odds the Bills release TO outright? Any thoughts, Brian?

Even though he does provide value to the offensive approach even without eye grabbing stats, I don’t know that its a stretch that his value wouldn’t be outweighed by Jenkins value to special teams, more playing time for Hardy and Scuba Steve in a season where the playoffs are a slim probability, and a hand in hand approach that TO has conducted himself with relative class and would allow him to sign with a contending team – and avoid his becoming even more disinterested should a few more loses make the rest of the season a real pain in his butt.

by LeClaireBill on Oct 26, 2009 3:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

what are the odds the Bills release TO outright?

zero chance of TO being released, he’d still get his guaranteed salary. The Bills have two #1 receivers being wasted on two #3 QB’s.
Trying to develop our young receivers with either of these QB’s is basically an exercise in futility.

most of my posts get deleted :(

by dzil on Oct 26, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

zero percent.

Playing Realistic Optimist at Buffalo Rumblings since 2008. Ignoring the grumblings on Rumblings.

by MattRichWarren on Oct 27, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Alligator Arms

I have seen a couple of instances this season – including early in the panthers’ game – when Owens basically watched a ball hit the ground near him.

At this point, his role is as a #2 receiver and a decoy. Clearly, there was a reason why he had to settle for a one year deal in Buffalo.

by Pruitt on Oct 27, 2009 5:52 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

SB Nation's home for daily Buffalo Bills coverage.

Community Guidelines

Start posting about the Bills »

Join SB Nation and dive into communities focused on all your favorite teams.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recent FanPosts

Billsjaguars_small
On Mike Shanahan and Gary Kubiak
Hamstergolfhd4_small
3 Things We Need to Know: Weeks 5-10
Dib_small
Bills fans, I'm coming for you...
Bills_small
Release of Hamdan
Picture_2_small
Two possible father/son combos
Images_small
The Remaining Games
Sst1_small
Jacksonville weekend
Bills_small
Strong Kudos to Ralph Wilson
Bills_small
Reflecting On the Edwards Era
Daffy_duck_small
And away we go! (Thurman Thomas quotes)

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

Latest NFL Headlines from SB Nation


Editor-in-Chief

Ronswanson_small Brian Galliford

Editors

Sucks_small Kurupt

Mrsinister03_small sireric

Billsjaguars_small MattRichWarren

Authors

Dynamics_small Ron From NM

Slide1_small Der Jaeger

Nfl-toronto_small kaisertown