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Far too early to slap Maybin with 'bust' label

In the NFL, there's very little room for such novelties as patience and perspective.  Aaron Maybin is 21 years old.  He entered the 2009 NFL Draft after his sophomore year in college, one in which he led the Big 10 with 12 sacks at Penn State.  Throughout the entire pre-draft process, Maybin was labeled with such words as "light," "raw," and "weak" - labels that, for whatever reason, still surprise people when applied to him to this day.

Maybin has now appeared in seven regular season games with the Buffalo Bills.  Playing perhaps the most difficult position on an NFL defense aside from cornerback, Maybin's statistical impact has been minimal - he has just four tackles in a rotational role.  Naturally, when a first-round pick fails to produce immediately, the "b word" gets floated out there.  Sal Maiorana of the Democrat and Chronicle is the first person of prominence that I've heard utter - or in this case, tweet - the "b word" in regards to Maybin.

Sal (and anyone else who's ready to apply the "b word" label as well): don't jump the gun on this kid.  Consider the facts.

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DE isn't generally an early-impact position
One of the big arguments for the Bills not to draft a defensive end this past April was that, for a team in need of instant impact from its early-round picks, a rookie DE wouldn't produce the way we'd need our first-rounder to produce.  That argument was based on the rookie production of the much-heralded 2008 rookie defensive end class.  Three ends were drafted in the Top 10 in 2008, and seven in total were taken in the first two rounds.  Exactly zero of these players were high-impact, game-changing forces as rookies (and many of them have yet to ascend to that level in their second seasons):

Round-Pick-Player-Team-Stats
1-2: Chris Long, St. Louis Rams - 40 tackles, 4.0 sacks, 1 FF
1-6: Vernon Gholston, New York Jets - 13 tackles
1-8: Derrick Harvey, Jacksonville Jaguars - 19 tackles, 3.5 sacks, 1 INT, 2 PD
1-28: Lawrence Jackson, Seattle Seahawks - 29 tackles, 2.0 sacks
2-50: Calais Campbell, Arizona Cardinals - 29 tackles, 1 FF, 1 PD
2-52: Quentin Groves, Jacksonville Jaguars - 13 tackles, 2.5 sacks, 1 FF, 1 PD
2-54: Jason Jones, Tennessee Titans - 31 tackles, 5.0 sacks, 3 FF, 2 PD

It's worth mentioning, also, that it's traditionally much easier for rookie pass rushers to make an impact in a 3-4 defense than it is to do so in a 4-3, where their responsibilities are more diversified.  The only 3-4 player above is Gholston, whose rookie season, statistically and behind the scenes, was terrible under Eric Mangini.  Jones, meanwhile, made the switch to DT in Tennessee's system, and his production can, in part, be explained by lining up next to Albert Haynesworth.

Otherwise, this group was highly average.  In most cases, you're looking at Chris Kelsay or Ryan Denney numbers.  For as much talent as this group has - and this year's group is more talented, by the way - the numbers are well below what we might call "average to above average" NFL defensive end production.  It's the nature of the position to start your career slowly when you're a pass rusher, and particularly if you're playing in a 4-3, as most of the above players do.

Round-Pick-Player-Team-Stats
1-11: Aaron Maybin, Buffalo Bills - 4 tackles
1-13: Brian Orakpo, Washington Redskins - 22 tackles, 3.5 sacks, 1 PD
1-16: Larry English, San Diego Chargers - 10 tackles, 2.0 sacks, 1 FF, 1 PD
1-18: Robert Ayers, Denver Broncos - 7 tackles
2-43: Everette Brown, Carolina Panthers - 7 tackles, 1.0 sack, 1 FF
2-46: Connor Barwin, Houston Texans - 7 tackles, 1.0 sack, 2 PD
2-52: David Veikune, Cleveland Browns - N/A
2-57: Paul Kruger, Baltimore Ravens - 1 tackle
2-63: Cody Brown, Arizona Cardinals - N/A

Again, the 3-4 vs. 4-3 principle applies.  Of the first-round picks, English and Ayers play in 3-4 schemes.  Orakpo, who played end at Texas, is now Washington's strong-side linebacker, and they use him in a hybrid LB/DE role out of their 4-3 alignment - which means he's doing much of his rushing from a standing position.  Maybin is the only first-round rookie end to be used in a traditional 4-3 manner, and that's pretty easy to glean just by his stat line.

Situations can't define busts after seven games
All of that might come across as excuse-making for Maybin - and it's exactly what I'm doing.  I'm making excuses for him.  The expectation was unreasonably high to begin with, considering his pre-draft hype, and it grew to unmanageable proportions when it became apparent how Buffalo planned to use him after a lengthy training camp holdout (don't forget about that, either).

A small part of me likes the fact that Buffalo refuses to move him all over the field.  It's the part of me that understands that Maybin's got the talent to be one of the best at the end position that likes the fact that the Bills are playing him exclusively at that position.  All of his reps are taken there, and each week, he looks a little better than the last rushing the passer.  His legs are fresh, and with any luck, he'll start making impact plays over the second half of the season.

But the biggest part of me (no anatomy jokes of any kind, please) is a bit perplexed by this decision as well.  Buffalo's coaching staff, if they weren't in win-now mode before the season, is definitely at that level now.  I find it difficult to fathom that they wouldn't try to find more ways to get Maybin onto the field and into advantageous situations.  He's too good an athlete to limit to rotational end work, is he not? Everything that made him a top prospect - that lightning-quick first step, his being a tremendous worker and highly motivated, and with tons of potential - still applies.  It's on the coaching staff (much more than it's on Maybin, by the way) for his paltry stat line.

Don't forget about Aaron Schobel, Kelsay and Denney, either.  Whether you like them as players or not, these are veterans that have the nuances of the position down.  All three have played well this season.  That makes it more difficult to get Maybin onto the field - again, unless you start to put more on his plate schematically.

Considering his age, his level of development, the position he plays, and how the Bills are using him, it's literally unfathomable to me how anyone can be surprised about the lack of production we've seen from Maybin.  I don't like making excuses for players unless they're valid, but I'll make any excuse for a player being labeled a bust after seven professional games.  He's 21.  We know his game needs polish.  Give him time - the kid's still got the talent and the drive.  Screw the "bust" label and apply a little patience for once, folks.

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Good write up

I don’t get to watch the games, but I would really like to know what he is doing wrong when he is in the game. Is he being double teamed? Is he only trying to use his speed and not any moves – or counter moves?

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by Ghetts on Oct 27, 2009 1:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The second one, really. He seems to run straight at the O-Line and winds up far past the QB instead of on him almost every time.

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by UZ on Oct 27, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybin

No doubt it’s too early for the b word. But there’s also no doubt that he’s given us nothing so far, and hardly looks ready to make a big impact any time soon.

He doesn’t look like he has any moves other than running straight into the backfield and taking himself out of the play. He needs to improve in that area immensely.

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by Kurupt on Oct 27, 2009 2:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He’s been a bit more than a one-trick pony over the last couple of games though. He’s spending more time trying to pull off a pass rush move than he is just trying to run past a tackle. He’s getting better. I mentioned in the Film Session post that he had Otah torched in this game and would have had his first sack, but the play was blown dead on a procedure penalty by Carolina.

I’d like to see him do some more stunting and, obviously, rush standing up. That’s on the coaches, though – if he’s told to rush one-on-one with a chip, there’s only so much he can do.

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by Brian Galliford on Oct 27, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He still isn't giving us much though

and that’s the problem.

Did he really beat Otah or did Otah stop because of the whistle??

I hope his improvement continues and continues rapidly. I really want to see this kid succeed this year. I want to see signs of good things for the future.

I wish they’d stand him up more, and even line him up next to Schobel at times….

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by Kurupt on Oct 27, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, he had the edge on Otah. He got into the backfield untouched because Otah stopped, but he definitely had him beat.

I agree – I’d like to see more out of him.

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by Brian Galliford on Oct 27, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was expecting him to be doubled up with another end, either Schobel or Kelsay at some point this year. Frankly, the coaches aren’t being as creative with him as some us thought they would be. They have a very conservative, learn the basics teaching style that might be great in the long haul, but leaves for little impact initially. However, if they did just use him all over the place, he might have some plays this year, but it may have hurt his future success

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by killascript on Oct 27, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree with Kurupt

Maybin has been invisible except when he jumped offside at a critical point in the Jets game. Agree that way too soon for the “b” word but not to soon to be disappointed.

by jpheff on Oct 27, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He still isn't giving us much though

Maybe Maybin would do better as a line backer, remember the Bills took a lousy tight end and turned him into a all pro tackle. Many players are better suited to another position in the pro’s. This kid really hurt himself badly with his hold out, and is paying the price( as are the Bills)

by crazyoldman on Oct 27, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please not again with the holdout. It was business. Buffalo could have offered him an extra $100K/yr or whatever to bring him in earlier. DE is just not an instant impact position. The end. You can argue that they should’ve gotten some veteran pass rush help in the offseason and I would support you. But they went the rookie route and THAT is why we’re not seeing significant improvement in the pass rush.

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by WhyBillsWhy on Oct 27, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I did notice his would-be sack and the great disappointment following the whistle.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 27, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brian, you’re forgetting this very important thing: This is Dick Jauron’s cagey football team that never takes chances, which of course is the main reason – beside him being a horrible HC that very rarely holds people accountable for screwing up – he’s a career loser. How the heck does it hurt him to try and give him some bloody looks at LB and see if he fares well at that?!

by BillsfanfromDenmark on Oct 27, 2009 2:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Trust me – I didn’t forget that.

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by Brian Galliford on Oct 27, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Denmark...

I like the cut of your jibb.

Well said!! I agree 100%

by Michael_Necci on Oct 27, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh

it’s all Dick Jauron’s fault. Is Jairus Byrd’s 5 INT’s then in spite of Jauron? Is giving up 190 yds per game through the air in spite of him as well? He holds no one accountable? How bout Turk Schonert, he canned his ass and held him accountable. How bout Roscoe Parrish? He’s holding him accountable. They have had Palmer, Buggs, Draft, and Harris all line up at LB, you don’t think putting Maybin there crossed his mind? Do you think this guy in the middle of the season is going to pick up coverage, blitz design, footwork at LB? Give me a friggn break. You wanna harp at DJ for not playing Maybin enough fine…but somehow intertwining how he’s a career loser, a horrible HC and doesn’t hold people accountable for screwing up is A PREPOSTEROUS STATEMENT OF THE YEAR NOMINEE

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by MARVelous on Oct 27, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

DJ is a horrible HC and needs to be canned. That’s all I’m saying, Marv

by BillsfanfromDenmark on Oct 28, 2009 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did it really need to be said on a freaking thread about Aaron Maybin? Pick your spots.

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by Brian Galliford on Oct 28, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You keep waiting for Maybin to be good

While I watch the #1 DE/OLB in the draft Brian Orakpo play well, often and make plays. Maybin was Penn States 3rd DE, so what does that tell you? He wasn’t even regarded by Joe Pa as one of there best DE on the team. He stepped in and did what he does best, run around OT with his 220lb body frame and chase QB’s down for sacks, something that wont work in the pros. Orakpo on the other hand, was both fast, and strong, and shows he can bull rush OT’s, something Maybin will need to put on 30lbs for. You keep waiting for Maybin to be good and Ill watch Orakpo contribute now. Guys like Patrick Willis, Demarcus Ware, were taken at #11 and dominated their rookie years and showed that they will in fact be superstars in this league. Bills fail to draft correctly, more so in the early rounds than later but Ware and Willis are just “some” of the examples who prove you don’t need 3 years to develop. O and if and when Maybin develops in 3 years, they Bills won’t resign him and he will most likely do well for another team, its tradition.

by csc06258 on Oct 27, 2009 2:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So, yeah, you definitely didn’t read the article.

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by Brian Galliford on Oct 27, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I imagine he saw the name Aaron Maybin on top of the article and went into a rabid frenzy before posting his comment and going into the corner to mumble curse words at Ellison under his breath.

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by UZ on Oct 27, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

by the way i am always cursing in my head about ellison, at all points of the day

by csc06258 on Oct 27, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am just making my point to how I feel about the Maybin pick not necessarily commenting directly off your article, can I do that?

by csc06258 on Oct 27, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well considering that my article addressed pretty much every point you made against him, yeah, it’d have been nice if you’d read it. :)

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by Brian Galliford on Oct 27, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

O then it was a very good article lol :)

by csc06258 on Oct 27, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I read it and I still like what the ‘Skins are doing with Orakpo. If the kid matches up better as a hybrid LB, play him there. I see very little reason Maybin couldn’t succeed quicker if used this way.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 27, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But the Bills don’t run the same scheme and couldn’t utilize him that way.

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by MattRichWarren on Nov 1, 2009 9:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybin's first sack would have been last week...

Bills blitzed up the middle on a shot gun by Delhomme. Blocking schemes stayed inside including the running backs and guards. Maybin clearly beat the tackle around the corner and was unabeited to the QB and had Delhomme lined up. The ref blew the whistle late for a false start and Maybin had to pull up… he knew he was going to get the sack and was “jumping around” the way a RB does by getting shoe string tackled when he is in the clear.

Aaron is not going to be very impactful this year, but the more and more he gets to play the better he will be for figuring out how and where he needs to improve. I also think the Bills coaches will take advantage of him more when they can dial up the blitzes inside and watch him use his speed on the outside.

by dabillsr1 on Oct 27, 2009 2:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This kid is nowhere near a bust yet. He’s only 21! He doesn’t have a lot of game/practice experience, plain and simple. You have to give him time. Let him get to year two (and with the benefit of an off season program), and then maybe you can bust his chops some. But certainly not now…

And of course, it really didn’t help having him miss so much time holding out. Who benefited from that again?

by krytime on Oct 27, 2009 2:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

exactly right

Good Luck With Your Firings Mr. Wilson….Go Bills!

by killascript on Oct 27, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone throwing out the bust label is insane. One of the negatives of the massive increase in hype for the draft is the completely unrealistic expectations placed on first round picks. And now we want to label players based on seven games? Crazy.

I think you said it best, Brian. Maybin is young and talented, but he needs time to develop. Anyone expecting huge things from him was fooling themselves.

by Mark Parisi on Oct 27, 2009 2:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

People are not throwing out the bust label, they are just saying (well at least i am and a bunch of my friends) that this is a player that “may” be good in the future when you could have had a player that would come right in and provide plays (Orakpo). Everyone knew Orakpo was the top prospect at the position, and every draft guru said this. I realize some top prospects bust and some guys like Maybin excel but if I were a betting man, I would have taken Orakpo, it was a consensus pick. There was a reason he was actually at the draft, people thought he would be a top 5 pick, top 10 at the worst. Bills define logic every year in the draft and shock the experts, and they always laugh when the Bills draft, because its some guy they would have never expected at that spot. I am all for this strategy if it pans out, but history shows other teams have picked much better players than we have consistently, and thats why we are not in the playoffs consistently- and that we dont have a competent coaching staff

by csc06258 on Oct 27, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It wasn’t a consensus pick from everything I read. People had us with everyone from Brown to Ayers to Maybin to Orakpo at that pick. There was doubt about everyone except Ayers staying at the DE position in a 4 front. Go figure that Brown and Maybin are the 4-3 DEs now and Orakpo is a 4-3 LB while Ayers is a 3-4 OLB. Funny how those projections go.

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by WhyBillsWhy on Oct 27, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Orakpo was thought to be a top 5 pick, and since the he fell to the Bills at 11 and the Bills wanted a DE than yes it is a consensus pick. Brown, Ayers, Maybin were all names given because no one thought Orakpo would fall into our laps and everyone realized our need for a pass rusher. Walterfootball.com said it best at one point during one of his mock drafts, “it would be amazing if Orakpo fell to the Bills to help their pass rush, but I doubt it.” Did you see how fast the Redskins drafted Orakpo, I think it took them all of 10 sec to run to the podeum. haha

by csc06258 on Oct 27, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can’t just say he was a consensus top 5 pick. It’s not true or somebody would have picked him, ya know, in the top 5.

Did you see how fast the Redskins drafted Orakpo, I think it took them all of 10 sec to run to the podeum. haha

So we’re using the Redskins as the gold standard for good drafting now?

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by MattRichWarren on Nov 1, 2009 9:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think our draft this year was excellent, I don’t see how anyone can make a competent argument that it’s why we’re not playing well right now. Levitre, Byrd, Wood, Nelson, and, yes, Maybin are all likely to be starters for a while – and good starters at that.

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by TEMSON on Oct 27, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bills define logic every year

What’s the opposite of a Freudian slip?

by Future Considerations on Oct 27, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A Jungian slip?

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by UZ on Oct 27, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

2nd paragraph of article
Sal Maiorana of the Democrat and Chronicle is the first person of prominence that I’ve heard utter – or in this case, tweet – the “b word” in regards to Maybin.

And this is not the first time Sal has mentioned this…Is he not people?

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by DBLuv on Oct 28, 2009 6:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would offer that the young guys really take time to develop.

In Houston, we drafted DT Amobi Okoye when he was 19. It has taken him three years to really develop into a good player and there was alot of talk about him being a bust.

The young guys just need time and some good coaching/mentoring.

So don’t hang this guy out to dry yet. Let him get some time under his belt to mature and learn. Hell he couldn’t even by a beer until this year.

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by TexansForever on Oct 27, 2009 2:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Perspective:

Hell he couldn’t even by a beer until this year.

The very same year he could also pay cash for a brand new Ferrari.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 27, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ya but who can't?

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by TexansForever on Oct 27, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ryan Leaf? :D

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by UZ on Oct 27, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

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by TexansForever on Oct 27, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sal Maiorana of the Democrat and Chronicle is the first person of prominence that I’ve heard utter – or in this case, tweet – the “b word” in regards to Maybin.


Sal is in no way a person of prominence. He pisses and moans about the Bills in every article he writes. He’s a crabby old woman that needs to find a new gig.

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by fansince83 on Oct 27, 2009 2:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sal Maiorana of the Democrat and Chronicle

this guy is a pain. he looks for hateful things to say because he thinks that makes him controversial. In fact all it makes him is sad, Maybe he just does not like Buffalo because people think Rochester is in MINN.

by crazyoldman on Oct 27, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sal Maiorana and Jerry Sullivan are typical bitter middle aged guys who are upset that everyone is dumber than they are. Sullivan’s comments about Losman were really kind of spiteful. JP may not have have had starting NFL ability but he was close. Hardly anyone can play the position successfully. There was no need to get so personal with the insults.

Anyone of us would be completely demolished by those 300 lb. linemen. You have to respect what they do at the very least. Which is not to say that you can’t ask for a better quarterback if you are a fan.

by Bill Frank on Oct 28, 2009 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

THANK YOU BRIAN

im sick of negative nancy’s whining about Aaron Maybin not producing. We knew this going in about getting a rookie defensive end, they take time. Mathius Kiwanucka took time, Mario Williams took time, Maybin will be very good.

The no huddle is gone, please sign tackles Runyan, Jones or Walker

by poz on Oct 27, 2009 2:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

My worries is that he has the body of a rb…any good tackle can handle maybin quite easy, if this kid is gonna do something in the nfl, it will be in at least 2-3 years.

by rick p on Oct 27, 2009 2:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m more worried about his pass rush moves than I am about his physique. He’s 21 and will get bigger and stronger. He’ll be a 260+ lb DE when all is said and done, IMO.

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by Kurupt on Oct 27, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and he’ll add the moves+ to go along with it, IMO

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by killascript on Oct 27, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Funny how in the span of a day you’ve gone from saying he’s a bust with the body of a WR to simply saying he has the body of a RB.

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by UZ on Oct 27, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was happy, although not ecstatic, with the Maybin pick on draft day. After the draft, I seem to remember a fair amount of people here saying some things along the lines of “if Maybin could just come in and get 5+ sacks, make an immediate impact, etc.” I thought these seemed like unrealistic expectations. As several people have pointed out, including Brian in his article, rookies and defensive ends in particular take TIME to become good (hopefully great). His season so far is basically what my expectations were for him, although I would love for him to have made at least a few plays. One of the things that keeps being brought up about Maybin is that he works his tail off. This is what makes me confident that with TIME Maybin will come into his own. He has the desire and the work ethic to improve his game. Bust talk at this point is obnoxiously premature and Maybin’s work ethic is the main reason I believe he will eventually remove any concerns about being a bust.

by kfisk214 on Oct 27, 2009 2:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

good write up Brian.

but again why was this selection made for a player we knew we would have to wait to develop when we needed an impact player this season? Under normal circumstances for a team that has made the playoffs in say the last 10 season they can make this pick and wait and hope he develops in 3 or 4 season but again when you have to win now you should draft more mature and ready to make a impact type player not a one year starting red shirt sophomore who has to make a transition to the nfl at like Brian maybe the most difficult defensive position on the field

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by Moe_frm_B_ on Oct 27, 2009 2:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe?

 The problem with the Maybin pick is this team needs someone to make an impact now, not possibly in 2012. If he can’t put on 20-30 lbs in the next year or two I won’t be surprised if he does turn out to be a complete bust at DE.

by bflobob8 on Oct 27, 2009 3:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Why is there this perception that ends have to weigh a certain amount to be good pass rushers?!

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by Brian Galliford on Oct 27, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't understand that either

Personally I just want a big mountain named Ted in the middle of the line. Rather have the leet of feet on the outside.

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by Ghetts on Oct 27, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know look at Dummervil

I think he only ways 250lbs. I asked you this question in another post, but I do not think you saw it. If you watch Dwight Freeney, Dumervil, Mathis, even Osi, what do they have in common? Because of there size, they mostly line up very wide on pass russhing downs. Now, I am not saying Maybin is as good as any of thise guys, but what I am saying is why not take advantage of his extremely fast first step. Right now he really doesn’t have any moves, and when he is in the game the tackle just pushes him past the pocket. Why not give him a chance to beat the tackle to the edge or make a move back inside?
ose this question to you? If you watch Dwight Freeney, Dumervil, Mathis, even Osi, what do they have in common? Because of there size, they mostly line up very wide on pass russhing downs. Now, I am not saying Maybin is as good as any of thise guys, but what I am saying is why not take advantage of his extermely fast first step. Right now he really doesn’t have any moves, and when he is in the game the tackle just pushes him past the pocket. Why not give him a chance to beat the tackle to the edge?

by The Irishman on Oct 27, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

because it is simply physics, you cannot push a 300lb+ tackle if you weigh 235-240, think about it for a sec!!!

by csc06258 on Oct 27, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is his goal to push a tackle or to actually get around him or beat him another way to get to the QB?

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by Kurupt on Oct 27, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pretty much. The TACKLE is trying to push and hold, the DE is trying to avoid him. That’s why speed is a good thing for a DE to have.

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by UZ on Oct 28, 2009 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is this in response to my post above?

If it is I do not think you got what I am saying. I am just saying make an adjustment by not lining him up so close to the DT. By putting him out a little wide like Indy does with Freeney and Mathis, Maybin can use his speed to beat thge OT to the edge. To break it down even simpler, he would be moving in a diagonal line toward the QB ass opposed to up the field and then over. You obviously could only do this on passing downs because it creats a large hole, but other teams use this method with fast DE’s with a lot of succeed.

by The Irishman on Oct 28, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was so angry at draft day because I would much rather have Orakpo than Maybin on my team, or is it just me?

by rick p on Oct 27, 2009 3:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

agreed 100% A proven player or a one year wonder

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by Moe_frm_B_ on Oct 27, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your missing the point

yes, comparing the 2 orakpo was more “ready” for the NFL then Maybin. Orakpo had some question marks regarding his willingness to go “all out” on every play. What Maybin has is a higher ceiling in many scouts eyes. you don’t know how one individual is going to progress once they are in the NFL, you draft who you think fits your needs and who will be the best player at that position.

by gatornation on Oct 27, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How can you call any rookie a proven player?

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by sireric on Oct 28, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was “proven” at Texas more than Maybin was at PSU. At least that’s my inference.

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by MattRichWarren on Nov 1, 2009 9:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

no your exactly right rick p, Orakpo is an animal and everyone knew it. This is what i mean by the Bills define logic and go with a lesser talent when there is a better player on the board. Thats why this team doesn’t win and thats why most every Bills fan wants this coaching staff and FO gone

by csc06258 on Oct 27, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you meant defy, not define. And lesser talent is a preposterous statement. They play different positions!

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by WhyBillsWhy on Oct 27, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Orakpo is an animal and everyone knew it.

Which is why almost half the league passed on him….

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by MattRichWarren on Nov 1, 2009 9:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Name a great 220lb. pass rusher of the last 10 years.

by bflobob8 on Oct 27, 2009 3:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A gallon of water weighs 8 lbs.

Maybin could have simply chugged a gallon of water before his weigh in, so maybe the NFL didn’t lie, but Maybin did. If you look at him, he looks extremely skinny, yes tall. Maybin is maybe 230 at the absolute MOST 240lbs.

by csc06258 on Oct 27, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jason Taylor reportedly had trouble keeping weight on during the season, with some reports having him weighing 220-230 at season’s end.

And he was terrible. : )

by Der Jaeger on Oct 28, 2009 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who are you talking about?

Maybin isn’t 220, or even close to it.

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by Kurupt on Oct 27, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let me remind you that Maybin wasn´t even a starter at Penn State last year, he was moved un to the starting line up by week 3

by rick p on Oct 27, 2009 3:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So he wasn't a starter

but was a starter most of the year. That makes sense.

by twoeightnine on Oct 27, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And the fact that he didn’t start at the beginning of the season somehow makes 12 sacks in part of a season’s worth of starts irrelevant, too.

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by Brian Galliford on Oct 27, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not when you get most of your sacks because the other teams OT’s are horrible and you just run around them, this is the NFL

by csc06258 on Oct 27, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well to be fair, that’s how other teams have been sacking the Bills.

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by UZ on Oct 28, 2009 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right. Because Brian Orakpo exploded OTs with his telekinetic power before registering his sacks. Way more badass, way more NFL potential.

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by Brian Galliford on Oct 28, 2009 6:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That literally made me laugh out loud.

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by sireric on Oct 28, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who cares?

He was a sophomore at a bigtime program. Those guys don’t start all that often. The fact that he came on and had the impact he had is exactly why he was a top 15 pick.

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by Kurupt on Oct 27, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, it’s early, and you shouldn’t expect much out of rookies as noted. But Maybin doesn’t seem to be getting any pressures either. I felt like he did better in the first 3-4 games than he has in the last few (which is splitting hairs, since he hasn’t done a lot in either).

You can’t call him a bust yet obviously, but I don’t know that we’ve seen anything to make us think that he won’t be a bust (as is the funny nature of DE development). But I’d just like to see more positive signs than a single play.

If he doesn’t develop it’s not going to look good for the front office having skipped over Oher when it was a glaring need, and the fact he’s already playing good football for a pretty good team at both tackle spots. Oher looks like your proverbial ‘10 year starter’. Why did the team skip over him? Because they thought he was odd?

And I’m not sure I agree that the other trio of DEs is playing all that well. Improved, yes, but it’s still not where it needs to be. The pass rush is still well below average, and we all know what the run defense looks like. If the Bills could ever generate a rush that other teams generate against them the defense would really be great.

by Pistol on Oct 27, 2009 3:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

THE GUY HARDLY PLAYS!

what do you want him to do? He’s not a miracle worker. If the Bills offense didn’t suck so much, and actually would lead some games, Maybin would have many more opportunities to come in the 4th quarter and rush the passer and be that fresh body. That’s what the coaching staff envisioned for him. He’s learning the scheme, and he’s a liability as a run defender, so blame the offense.

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by MARVelous on Oct 27, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I´m just saying the kid played great for 8 games, but is that enough to be the 11th player taken in the nfl draft??

by rick p on Oct 27, 2009 4:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That just pretty much excludes all the combine and predraft work, huh?

How many games did Sanchez play?

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by MattRichWarren on Nov 1, 2009 9:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He would only be a Junior in College!

- Way too early to form an opinion on Maybin, since Bruce Smith weighed 300lbs. as a rookie and did have 6 sacks, I believe. Of course, Maybin will never be another Bruce Smith.
- Mario Williams did nothing his rookie season.
- I will state that the Bills probably should have taken a linebacker of tackle, since it seems they had plenty of depth at Defensive Tackle. And Chris Ellis had a great camp, but where has he been this year. Put him on the field and give him a shot.
- Plainly, Maybin was drafted to increase the pass rush, which he has not. Bills would have been better off with Oher or Cushing. Just think, if they drafted Oher at tackle, we would have 3/5 of our offensive line for the future.

by BuffaloWhiner on Oct 27, 2009 4:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks brian...

We all need reminded that he is young. He has been improving and will continue to do so. I absolutly hate to hear who we should have picked instead. One, we didn’t pick whoever you wanted and unless you have a Dolariaon in your garage we aren’t going to be able to go back and change it, so quit whining. This team had a lot of holes to fill and so far has shown that they can draft competent players(Byrd, levitre, wood, lankster,) . With that out of my system I would however like to see obd use maybin as a rush linebacker from time to time. I think given his two strengths( speed and athleticism) he could produce a few sacks for us.

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by Stabby Mcshank on Oct 27, 2009 5:04 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

good post as usual…. way to early for that word… i curse about ellison everyday also… he belongs wit jp in vegas at the side show…..but he is all we got. damn i love this football team…..

by majr1282 on Oct 27, 2009 5:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybin will be a very good DE in time. Will he be a game changing stud??? Who knows.

This is a non issue at this point. With no Bills losses to bitch about in the last two weeks, I guess they had to find something.

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by Joe P. on Oct 27, 2009 5:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well said. Maybin has too much talent and too good of a head on his shoulders to be a complete bust. But only time will tell whether he’s the next Simeon Rice … or the next Juqua Parker. For my own sanity, I’ll assume he’s at least going to be pretty decent. And you’re right that this is a non-issue. Let’s debate Maybin during the offseason after he’s been practicing with the team longer than two months.

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by kaisertown on Oct 27, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed......and maybe even wait until the end of next season ????

In most cases, isn’t 3 years the minimum you have to give a player before declaring them a bust?

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by Joe P. on Oct 27, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

waiting two full seasons to judge a 21 year old rookie DE? That’s crazy talk.

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by kaisertown on Oct 27, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Patience, in MY Bills fanbase?

It’s less likely than you think!

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by UZ on Oct 28, 2009 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I keep hearing about Orakpo

But what no one has yet to point out, is that who says Orakpo would be this amazing DE getting the Bills 20+ tackles and a few sacks so far this year. Yea sure, he may be more NFL ready then Maybin is, but whos to say Orakpo is a better DE then Denny or Kelsey. I certainly dont think there is any way the DJ or Perry would allow Orakpo to start games over either of those two guys, so its a moot point. The beginning and the end of the conversation is that these two gentlemen are in different situations and it is impossible to say that Orakpo would succeed here. Even more ridiculous is how anyone can possibly think that Maybin is a bust or that he wont be good. Just look at super Mario, who when he was drafted everyone said was a terrible move because he didnt perform in his first year, and now what? Give it a few years, unbunch yer panties and relax.

by ballinbills1315 on Oct 27, 2009 6:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Also Orakpo is playing behind Albert Haynesworth and next to London Fletcher

The first one makes every player on his side of the ball better and the second one takes a lot of pressure off the other LBs.

Orakpo is playing on a top 5 D while Maybin is playing on a top 25 D.

by twoeightnine on Oct 27, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Top 25

Would be good for college ball…

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by NolaBillsFan on Oct 27, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Screw Orakpo!

The idea of him being a “bust” after 7 games is preposterous. How can anyone compare Orakpo’s production when they’re used in completely different capacities. Who’s to say that Maybin wouldn’t have comparable or possibly better production if used in the same manner as Orakpo, which is probably the best way to get an immediate impact from a player with Maybin’s perceived skillset.

Look. It’s painfully obvious that he needs to get bigger and stronger than he is now. The same can be said for the majority of college players transitioning from college to the pros. He does also need to diversify his repetoire of pass rush moves. It seems that they want to make him in the traditional 4-3 mold. However, they need to move him around a little more on stunts and blitzes to get more of an immediate impact.

by live6453 on Oct 27, 2009 7:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Orakpo has the ability to play a 4-3 DE and would have started day one, so yes he would have contributed. He may not of gotten 15 sacks but he would have played and contributed as a player.

by csc06258 on Oct 27, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just tired of waitting “great prospects to become great players” …. Donte very average, Hardy..who knows when he´ll play and if so succeed, Leodis, Maybin, Ellis.

Every single year is the same.

by rick p on Oct 27, 2009 7:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

you the man rick p

by csc06258 on Oct 27, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still have yet to see what the problem you guys have with McKelvin is. From what I’ve seen he’s a very decent if not pro-bowl quality CB.

And we all know he’s a beast on kick returns.

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by UZ on Oct 28, 2009 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

McKelvin has been nowhere even close to a Pro-Bowl quality CB. He has Pro Bowl potential, but he was pretty brutal so far this season and struggled for much of his rookie season.

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by Kurupt on Oct 28, 2009 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

AGREE 100%

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by Seattlite on Oct 28, 2009 3:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh god damnit

I worded that totally wrong, I was trying to say he wasn’t Pro-Bowl caliber at all, but still a serviceable starting CB.

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by UZ on Oct 28, 2009 3:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Totally Agree

Skimming through some rookie sack totals- focused on current players with a couple exceptions. Didn’t look at Reggie White due to USFL time:

Jared Allen: 9
Andre Carter: 6.5
Trent Cole: 5
Dwight Freeney: 13
KGB: 1.5
Aaron Kampman: 0.5
Patrick Kerney: 2.5
Leonard Little: 0.5
Robert Mathis: 3.5
Julius Peppers: 12
Bruce Smith: 6.5
Will Smith: 7.5
Michael Strahan: 1
Jason Taylor: 5
Justin Tuck: 1
Osi Umenyiora: 1
Kyle Vanden Bosch: 0.5
Mario Williams: 4.5

Conclusion: rookie sack totals aren’t indicative of future success. If so, Kampman, Little, Strahan, Tuck, Umenyiora, and Vanden Bosch would have gotten cut after their rookie “bust” year. The two guys on this list that broke double digit sacks are physical freaks with elite gifts (Freeney: speed; Peppers: overall athleticism).

There’s too much to learn as a pass rushing DE to grade success in terms of statistical performance. There’s too much to learn in terms of footwork, hand fighting, and play recognition… and then putting it all together. Maybin is nowhere near bust-land. Patience…

by Der Jaeger on Oct 27, 2009 8:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

dude a lot of us are not saying he is or will be a bust, all were saying is we could have drafted a day one starter in Orakpo and not had to wait 3 years until Maybin contributes. This team doesn’t have the luxury to draft projects. This team is an average team that needs immediate improvement. If your the Steelers or Colts, you can draft guys like these, cuz you can develop them and don’t have to count on them day 1, and were not the colts or steelers. Your absolutely right in Maybin could be good, but we needed impact players right away, like Byrd to help this team win NOW rather than later. How long do you want to wait until we make the playoffs?

by csc06258 on Oct 27, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you cower in a corner crying about what could have been instead of instantly ripping the here and now apart perhaps you’d feel better about Maybin.

We don’t have Orakpo. I was somewhat angry he fell to us and we picked Maybin as well, but I think that Maybin has a fantastic career ahead of him in time, maybe starting even next season.

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by UZ on Oct 28, 2009 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Every poster on this board has an illogical day- where what they post makes no sense. Happened to me earlier this week, because I don’t like showboating, and what I wrote wasn’t exactly what I wanted to say. I got jumped on, deservedly so.

You, however, almost never post a logical argument. You don’t want the Bills to draft projects, instead drafting immediate impact players? No kidding. That’s the goal of every team. But here’s the funny part- impact rookies don’t come along often. And when they do, like Byrd, they are called a “steal,” “find,” or even rookie of the year.

I’m sure you were singing the praises of OBD for picking Byrd, a CB who projected to safety, as a immediate contributor.

Fact is, most rookies are drafted on their overall upside- not on their upside their rookie season.

If you can accurately determine which rookies are going to be the immediate contributors, then you should post who they are going to be ahead of the draft. After the season when all your picks made immediate contribution, submit your resume to one of the 32 teams, because you have a talent that nobody else has.

by Der Jaeger on Oct 28, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Nice Post

Agreed and if you want to draft an impact player we could have drafted one of those USC linebackers. But then we’d be waiting even longer for new DE’s.

And I think Orakpo’s numbers are inflated becasue he plays linebacker. Of course he has more tackles. HEck Ellison has a gabillion tackles and that doesn’t mean he’s good, it means teams attack him.

by south123 on Oct 30, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Name a great 220lb. pass rusher of the last 10 years.

Kevin Greene retired in 1999. He played around 220. With 160 sacks to his credit I’d say he was a great one too. Does that count?

Robert Mathis has 58 sacks and is listed in the 240 range. (I’m told he’s actually closer to 230.)

I’m on record for preferring Orakpo over Maybin. But I’m also the dumba$$ who thought William Moore would outplay Jairus Byrd. (So I have been wrong before. Just once though.)

But I think all of our rookies deserve more than 7 games before they get labeled as a bust. Sal, what were you thinking?

by Moose68 on Oct 27, 2009 8:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

have you ever looked at Mathis play, he looks twice the size of Maybin. If Mathis is 230 than maybin is 200lbs.

by csc06258 on Oct 27, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

???

Where did you get the Kevin Greene playing at 220 thing? From all indications, he played in the 245-250 range

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by Kurupt on Oct 28, 2009 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

its obviously too soon to tell.

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by Patssuck456 on Oct 27, 2009 10:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Can’t believe Maybin hasn’t been tagged with the dreaded “high motor” tag, yet.

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by dzil on Oct 27, 2009 10:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Orakpo is good

but he hasn’t stood out for the Redskins as exceptional. He is developing into a solid player. I think he’ll be very good over time.

I notice that in clear passing situations Orakpo actually has both hands on the ground and lines up wide and when he does he is a monster.

by Ono on Oct 27, 2009 11:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

may not be a bust but he was still a reach

not to mention this coaching regime didn’t have the luxury of using the pick on a player that needs time to develope. and if orakpo has had success rushing from the LB position why are we using maybin that way too? He held out and wanted big money, then we should use him as many ways possible.

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by J. Mackin on Oct 28, 2009 2:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Here´s the reason:

The coaching staff sucks big time and cant find a way to put our 11th overall pick in the field.

Can you say Vernon Gholston

by rick p on Oct 28, 2009 2:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

had the V.G. comparision out of my mouth by the 12 pick

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by J. Mackin on Oct 28, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yet again, blaming everything on the coaching staff. Yes, it is Jauron’s fault that Maybin hasn’t gotten to the QB yet. He hasn’t used his mystical powers that allow him to take over another persons body and played a down yet as Aaron Maybin. Stupid coach!

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by sireric on Oct 28, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok then lets all congratulate Dick with his decision of drafting Maybin, “great pick coach you did really see alott of potential in this kid that you cant even get on the field”. Oh wait.. but he es gonna be a great player in about 4 years right???

by rick p on Oct 28, 2009 3:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Said this in another thread, but will repeat here since you seem to enjoy spamming all of our conversations with the same useless “I hate Jauron” crap:

Fair warning: saying redundant things like this, which add absolutely NOTHING to our discussions, is grounds for a ban. Table the agenda and talk football, folks.

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by Brian Galliford on Oct 28, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

can i get the boys talking about the cheerleaders again?

just being a clown B.G.

can’t get banned, i’d have nothing to do at work lol

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by J. Mackin on Oct 28, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's been said in this thread before

But I think it’s worth repeating: you shouldn’t judge a DE by their first year. I lived through being a Texans fan during Mario Williams first year and it was hell. Most of the non Houston-based media jumped all over the Texans for not taking Reggie Bush. Most of the Houston-based media jumped all over the Texans for not taking hometown hero Vince Young. Meanwhile, Mario had a pretty mediocre season while Young seemed to be leading the Titans to the promised land and Bush played in the NFC title game.

Look how things have changed. Williams was without dispute the best choice of the three in that draft (although ironically, he might be the second best player the Texans drafted that year – that could be DeMeco Ryans). You wouldn’t have known it that first year, though.

In my mind, high draft picks don’t fail because they lack the athletic ability to make it in the NFL. They fail because they don’t take their job responsibilities as professionals seriously for whatever reason. If you look at a guy like Young or JaMarcus Russell who was a god in college, you might be surprised that they aren’t succeeding in the NFL. But then you hear stories about the work ethic being substandard and it makes sense.

Playing football as an occupation is a lot different than playing in college. It means having to go to work in a high-pressure environment on days you don’t want to. It means having to make football your life for almost twelve months a year. It means not being able to stop by a keg party and bang a cheerleader – at least not during the season. It’s probably kind of a grind at times, whereas in college, it’s not nearly as much.

If I were trying to judge whether or not Maybin will be successful, I would look at how well he handles being a professional. Does he study opponents? Film? Does he put extra time in the weight room? What about conditioning and flexibility? Does he dedicate enough time to learning the playbook? Does he eat properly and get enough sleep? If he does all of those, he’s going to be fine. If not, better hope he starts doing that.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 29, 2009 7:24 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

just curious

at what point last year was Vernon Gholston officially labeled a bust?

most of my posts get deleted :(

by dzil on Oct 29, 2009 10:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

When he was deactivated for games by the same people that drafted him.

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by MattRichWarren on Nov 1, 2009 9:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How about this...

If we are going to compare rookie production, I think you have to take a look at how the situation and team were overall. I don’t think it’s a big secret that if a DE plays on a winning team with a good to great offense and a solid secondary, they will have more opportunities to sack the QB. As the game goes on, the opposing offensive line can wear down and if they are throwing the ball on every play because they’re down by two or more scores… that will lead to opportunities to get to the QB. It’s pretty rare that we play with such a lead. And if our opponents are still running the ball in the second half, that doesn’t lead to as many sack opportunities.

It’s too early to call Maybin a bust. But, he definitely wasn’t my first choice for our first round pick this year either.

Schmucks don't make it to the Pro Bowl... except Jason Peters!

by Run Thurmal Run! on Oct 29, 2009 8:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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