For those who want us to draft a QB in the 1st round

by Dr. Brackish Okun on Oct 30, 2009 2:13 PM EDT Comment 40 comments

... are there enough to go around? QB is a pressing need for many of the teams that will be at the top of the draft (hopefully) ahead of the Bills. Washington, Carolina, Seattle, St. Louis, Cleveland, Tennessee, and Oakland all have worse records than the Bills and all have QB as a need position right now. And while I understand that this, if everybody declares early who is expected to, is a QB-heavy draft, it's quite possible that we end up missing out on all or most of the top prospects.

I know many of you are hoping that the Bills end up drafting Tim Tebow, and, while I'm not opposed to that, I still think we need to manage our expectations on that front. He's going to be a project and will require a pretty long apprenticeship. He plays in an offense that is not conducive to production in the NFL and would have to change how he plays the position. And to those Trent haters who want Tebow, if we draft him early, it probably means we're stuck with Trent or another career backup for a year or two before Tebow would be ready to play.

I know it's still early to start talking about the draft, but I think, with all the QB's going early, we'd still be able to get a greater value with another pick. There isn't much OT help at the front of the draft, but with all the DT's, LB's and players like Bryant at the top, we might be better off going in another direction for at least a year.

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If there is such a need for QBs, and if alot go in the top of the draft, that means a more deserving player may fall to the Bills at 11 or 12 (if we pick there again)

Good Luck With Your Firings Mr. Wilson….Go Bills!

by killascript on Oct 30, 2009 2:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

It’s kind of hard to make a guess at this when the draft order is so critical, and it won’t be finalized until early January. Until then, all we can do is talk about the players and wait.

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by Brian Galliford on Oct 30, 2009 2:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Plus, you can never really know what the Raiders are going to do

All you know is that Al Davis is a mortal lock to have a top 10 pick…

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by Ron From NM on Oct 30, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

but to foolish too

give up on J. Russell like everyone else. He will still try to fit the square peg in the round hole.

How many years can we go without making the playoffs...eventually the odds go in your favor.........right?!?!?

by Rudy916 on Oct 30, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Doesnt New England have the raiders first round pick this year?

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by weswed51 on Nov 1, 2009 10:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I think they got next year’s (2011) first pick for Seymour.

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by kaisertown on Nov 1, 2009 11:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Suh

i love the DT from nebraska Suh. he is a beast and you could pair him with williams and an aging stroud for years to come.

by LIBi on Nov 1, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Stop talking about a QB

We need to build the O-line and get some BEEF on the D-line. LB as well.
Way more important.
Remember Trent Dilfer……. Super Bowl Champ?

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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Oct 30, 2009 5:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Nothing worse then drafting a QB you can’t block for. You might end up scarring the kid for life aka Carr.

by nolander on Oct 30, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yea having a QB getting sacked at least 40-75 times a year will be sure to ruin even the best prospects.

by Pennywise on Oct 30, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

or Joey Harrington

by o.c.blazerfan on Oct 31, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Remember Trent Dilfer……. Super Bowl Champ?

No offense, but I hate that argument.

Yeah. You can have a flash-in the pan champ with a crappy QB. Brad Johnson and Tampa Bay come to mind, too. But the only way to be a consistent contender in this league is to have a quarterback – a well-above-average quarterback. Even that isn’t fool-proof (see: SD), but it’s certainly a hell of a lot better than trying to rely on a game manager.

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by Brian Galliford on Oct 30, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed. Obviously, every team is going to have flaws. When the QB position is one of them, there is much, much more to overcome than if the weak spots are at other positions.

That Ravens team had one of the best defenses in history, a HOF left tackle leading a good OL and some great (potentially HOFers) skill guys in Shannon Sharpe, Priest Holmes and Jamal Lewis. If that team had a good QB, we could be talking about the Ravens dynasty insted of the Ravens Super Bowl victory.

by kaisertown on Oct 30, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hence, my arguement to draft line beef instead of another QB

Our D line has sucked since Fat Pat left, and we went for “fast, atheletic guys”. Is that using the same translation dictionary that transcribes “the cagey Dick Jaron”?

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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Oct 30, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, but you’re missing the larger point. QB always, always trumps DL if you’re trying to win consistently. That doesn’t dilute the importance of a high-quality DL, it just shows how important QB really is.

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by Brian Galliford on Oct 30, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Also, adding/drafting a good QB is the fastest way to turn around a franchise. The Colts, Eagles, Saints, Falcons, Cardinals and Steelers can all attest to that.

by Dr. Brackish Okun on Oct 30, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And getting a bust 1st Round QB can set you back for years

Detroit, San Diego, Oakland, Houston, Washington…uh Buffalo. The risk is worth the reward if you end up with McNabb instead of Couch, but there are an equal number of Leafs to Mannings at the top end. The obvious converse to the arguments above is that busting on a QB early can devastate a franchise more than any other position. I dont care what QB you have, he can lead a team so long as he doesn’t have a line that will get him regularly concussed every six games.

Also, at this point I’d just take winning rather than winning consistently. I don’t care, give me Testaverde if he takes us to the 2nd wild card position. You have to believe you can win before you win consistently.

Besides, we can get the next great MAC QB in the 5th in Dan Lefevour!

by DCRumbler on Oct 31, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That’s true, but I think it’s much more difficult to build a consistent winner without a QB than it is to hit on a QB in the first round. Yes, it would set the franchise back to take a bust, but it would also take consistently good drafts and FA moves to build the top 5 defense, great running game and good group of offensive weapons that it would take to overcome mediocre QB play.

If somebody wanted to make the argument that this isn’t a great QB draft, or this isn’t a roster that you want to stick a rookie QB on and it would be better to take advantage of a deep draft this year and hope the situation arises to acquire a great QB (via draft or trade) next offseason, then I think it’s a valid argument. But anybody who thinks the best way to build a team involves mid round QBs or crappy FAs is nuts.

by kaisertown on Oct 31, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

mid round QBs

Do 2nd round QBs fall into that category? The Bills two wins have almost guaranteed that they will not be getting in on the top 3 draft prospects, whoever they are. So is someone like Tebow the next Flacco or do we fix the O-line? I just hope we don’t try to trade up for the next JP.

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by Joe P. on Oct 31, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

theres not as many qbs

in the next draft i would like on the bills. Pyke will be a good player. And what do you mean theres not that many OTs in the next draft! its loaded with juniors and seniors

Later Losman!

by rockybillboa on Oct 30, 2009 6:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

There is maybe one OT (Okung) that looks to be a top 10 pick as opposed to last year where there were 3 in the top 10. And can you tell me who Pyke is? I’m drawing a blank.

by Dr. Brackish Okun on Oct 30, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

QB from Cincy

by The Irishman on Oct 31, 2009 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I still think that Edwards can get the job done if...

we get consistently strong OL play. That’s a BIG IF, but it’s not outside the realm of possibility if we can solidify our depth at OT. The loss of Butler is huge because it automatically put us on board the incosistency train. I called in to Ross Tucker after the second game of the season before we’d gone into this stretch and he was talking up Kugler as assistant coach of the year to that point. With the way they played as a complete unit before Butler went down, it was easy to see what he was talking about. They would’ve still had growing pains, but not having to really worry about the RT spot in addition to having our best OL still on the field goes a really long way toward consistency.

by live6453 on Oct 30, 2009 8:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

But the weakest link on the current o-line aside from RT, as Ron keeps telling us, is Hangartner. I’m hoping that Eric Wood will slide over to Center next year and that Brad Butler (if he is healthy) will return to RG. We could then draft a new RT unless either Scott or Meredith show major improvement between now and January. Hang could be the back-up interior lineman — a role he performed splendidly for Carolina.

Our top priority, however, should be an athletic wide-bodied DT. After that we obviously need more help at LB. As for a QB, we should go for one if we can get a really good one, but I doubt we are going to draft high enough for that. Also, let’s see how Fitzpatrick works out and what Edwards does if he comes back before jumping to the assumption that we need one.

by Macktruck on Oct 30, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Tony Dungy

from Rotoworld.com

“NBC football analyst Tony Dungy believes that Florida QB Tim Tebow should be a high first-round pick in 2010.

“Franchise quarterbacks are hard to find, and I believe in this guy,” he said. Dungy also considers Tebow a better NFL prospect than Sam Bradford, Jimmy Clausen, Colt McCoy, and even projected 2010 No. 1 pick Jake Locker."

The no huddle is gone, please sign tackles Runyan, Jones or Walker

by poz on Oct 31, 2009 6:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I love Dungy

but I don’t trust his taste in QBs. Shaun King (?) was a failed experiment he held on to for way too long. And then there’s Sorgi, Peyotn’s backup. As far as backups go, you’ve got to do better than that unless of course there’s a great Gibran/Edwards type connection between Manning and Sorgi then you let it be.

Tebow may be God’s gift to a team, but I hardly think he is ready to come in and take over. He may benefit, though, from sitting for 2 years. But for the money he’ll make as a first rounder, if he is a first rounder, no one would stand for him waiting in the wings.

by Ono on Oct 31, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

But for the money he’ll make as a first rounder, if he is a first rounder, no one would stand for him waiting in the wings

This exact reason is why i dont htink he’ll be a round 1 pick. I hope he is htere in round 2 and that we can get a stud LB in round 1.

The no huddle is gone, please sign tackles Runyan, Jones or Walker

by poz on Oct 31, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Good thing Dungy had Bill Polian calling the shots in Indy.

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by MattRichWarren on Nov 2, 2009 8:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

a la Marv Levy

I am so clever that sometimes I don’t understand a single word of what I am saying
Trent Edwards - Backup QB until furthur notice. Care to prove me wrong Trent?

by J2 on Nov 3, 2009 8:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

hey guys who follow college football

any Bills prospects for me to watch in Ole Miss v Auburn??

The no huddle is gone, please sign tackles Runyan, Jones or Walker

by poz on Oct 31, 2009 12:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Sorry I got to you so late

Auburn
Tate- RB
Coleman-OLB/DE
Ziemba- OT
Walter McFadden- QB

Mississippi
Hardy- DE
Powe- DT
Snead- QB
Hodge- WR
Jerry- OL
McCluster- WR

by Der Jaeger on Oct 31, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry Trent

It’s too bad that Trent is not a NFL starting QB. His biggest drawback is his inability to stay healthy. Successful QB’s play every game. Sure the O-line is fair to poor at best but the fact is if Peyton Manning was our QB at least one of the O-line would be going to the probowl. And our O would be scoring 35 pts a game. The QB will needs to be addressed in the off-season. Of course none of this will matter if the leadership of the team remains the same. By leadership I mean Ralph, GM (get one) and coach. Otherwise we will go 7-9 again and forever.
I like LeFever from c.Michigan mid 1st or 2nd.

by Greg in UT on Oct 31, 2009 2:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

For a Good Read on This QB Class

And how, as of now, it’s all hype…
http://www.profootballweekly.com/2009/10/30/locker-heads-overhyped-qb-class
Look folks.. We have not had decent O line in over a decade.. Nor a decent QB.. Could it be because our QBs are always running for their lives? Do we want to draft another one, and watch him falter in front of a pass rush too? No matter what his “potential” is, that would be a sure way to destroy it…
I may change my mind as the season progresses, and we get through draft combine & FA, but as of now, let’s fix what’s worse, the line, before throwing more fodder at the opposition…

by Cinga on Oct 31, 2009 2:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

O-line

As far as I can tell the O-line is set for next year. Maybe need a RT if Butler can’t go. They will probably draft a guy who can play T/G combo. This team really needs LB’s & DE’s along with a quality QB.

by Greg in UT on Oct 31, 2009 7:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

We have a lot of needs

QB, C, T, DE, LB could all use upgrades. Maybe taking the best player available instead of reaching for a certain position would be our best plan.

by o.c.blazerfan on Oct 31, 2009 7:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I think our greatest need is LB. Fortunately, that position has a lot of depth in the coming draft. Same for DT, which is also a need with Stroud getting older.

by Dr. Brackish Okun on Oct 31, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Long way to go, but as of now I would draft

OT round 1, QB round 2, and DT round 3. The only way I would take a QB in round 1 is if someone drops like Rogers did and/or if the Bills were absolutely convinced that the 2010 class of QBs were crap.

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by Joe P. on Oct 31, 2009 11:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I know many of you are hoping that the Bills end up drafting Tim Tebow

Who are these people? D:<

I still think that LeFevour will fall to the second round despite being one of my favorite prospects. So the Bills will get a chance at him even if they draft an OT or LB in the first round.

And on another point, Tennesee is not going to go QB until Vince Young is dead in the water, which he isn’t yet. Oakland will probably go for whoever has the fastest 40 time, and Seattle isn’t quite ready for a new QB yet either I think. So not quite as many teams as you name will be going QB immediately IMO.

Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.

by UZ on Nov 1, 2009 1:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Tennessee built Young’s contract so that they could cut him after this season with very few repurcussions. Unless he wraps up the job as next year’s starter with solid play for the remainder of this year, the Titans will cut Young. He’ll make a hefty roster bonus this offseason if he sticks around, so Young will really need to win over the confidence of the coaching staff and FO.

LeFevour has a better chance of going undrafted than going in the first 40 picks of the draft. Nobody is going to touch him during the first couple rounds, he just isn’t that caliber of a prospect.

by kaisertown on Nov 1, 2009 5:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs