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Bills drop eighth straight division game in convincing fashion

If you spent your Sunday afternoon/early evening watching Buffalo Bills football and feel upset that three hours of your short amount of time on this Earth have been completely wasted, join the club.

Buffalo dropped a miserable, embarrassing 38-10 decision to the Miami Dolphins on Sunday, their eighth consecutive loss to an AFC East foe.  Trent Edwards threw three interceptions - one of which was returned for a score by rookie corner Vontae Davis for the first touchdown of the day - and Buffalo's offensive line reached new levels of ineptitude, surrendering six sacks to a Miami defense playing without Joey Porter.

Chad Henne played like a seasoned pro in his first NFL start, though he was sacked six times by a Bills pass rush that might be considered the one bright spot in this game - if you're feeling up to such meaninglessness.  Henne's job was made infinitely easier by the fact that the Dolphins rushed for 250 yards at 5.6 yards per rush.  The Dolphins dominated time of possession, dominated offensively, dominated defensively - you get the picture.

In short, if you missed this game, consider yourself fortunate.  The Bills fall to 1-3 on the season, and even the fact that the 0-4 Cleveland Browns are their Week 5 opponent does little to distill the terrible taste in the collective mouths of Bills fans this evening.

As Kurupt might say, Dick Jauron's pelotas have no choice but to draw significantly closer to the band saw after that pathetic showing.

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Jonathan Scott should have that look on his face. Kirk Chambers too.

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 4, 2009 7:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Does he have grey hair?!?!?! He looks about 70 years old in that picture.

I remain convinced that somehow Drew Rosenhaus negotiated a playing time deal for Roscoe into the contract for TO.

by thefourwinds on Oct 4, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

It’s the mist glistening on his head…

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 4, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

snow

It's Like Rooting For The Toilet To Flush....

by Toronto? on Oct 4, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Playing for the Bills will do that to a player

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by Kurupt on Oct 5, 2009 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh.

I have no clue what the next move is – it’s pretty much rock bottom now …

by sabre74kkn on Oct 4, 2009 7:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Well we haven’t lost to the Browns yet… :-)

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 4, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's still early.

Why do today, when it can wait til tomorrow; the games on!

by UtahBillsFan on Oct 4, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahah

It's Like Rooting For The Toilet To Flush....

by Toronto? on Oct 4, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you implying we will?

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by UZ on Oct 4, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

i am.

its only the bills that can make an all world team look like garbage and an all garbage team look top of the world.

by quantumuprising on Oct 4, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope not. It’s the one game I’m going to this year.

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 5, 2009 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Question

Is Edwards fate tied to Jauron? If Jauron (unlikely) is fired, will we have seen the end of the Edwards era?

I think yes.

In my opinion, this was his worse performance as a Buffalo Bill

by kilowatt44 on Oct 4, 2009 7:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Most definitely. He might stay on the team but his replacement would be here. If Jauron stays it’s because Edwards gets it and takes the next step and with him comes the team.

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 4, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely. 5 is costing his head coach his job right now. And new regimes typically mean new quarterbacks.

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by Brian Galliford on Oct 4, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I couldn’t agree more with you Brian. If you mean that Edwards is playing like he doesn’t need a new contract, that is.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 4, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see it as the other way around. But either way, I think both of their days are numbered.

I remain convinced that somehow Drew Rosenhaus negotiated a playing time deal for Roscoe into the contract for TO.

by thefourwinds on Oct 4, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

With all due respect, are you out of your mind? I wouldn’t go so far as to suggest the opposite (that is, I don’t think that it’s necessarily Jauron’s fault that Edwards isn’t playing well), but to say Edwards is the one who’s lit the flame under Jauron’s seat is ridiculous. It wasn’t Edwards who waited until ten days before the season to switch OCs, it wasn’t Edwards who decided to drop as many offensive tackles as possible immediately before the season and replace them with practice-squadders, and it wasn’t Edwards who caused half of the defense to go out for the season.

Also, Edwards isn’t the one with a lifetime .43 winning percentage, a single winning season in eight full as a head coach, and a penchant for watching his teams tank as soon as he’s handed a contract extension. The head coach is costing himself his own job. Trent may very well not be the guy we all hoped he would be, but if so, that’s just a drop in a sea of mistakes that are why we looked the way we did today, and why (God willing) Jauron will not be head coach opening day next year.

by entelechy3 on Oct 4, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Jauron’s made his own bed here.

After all, this is his handpicked QB….

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by Kurupt on Oct 4, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uh… did I say that Jauron’s seat was hot simply because of Edwards? No. No I did not.

I merely said that if Edwards is playing well in the last two games, at minimum, we’re 2-2, and possibly 3-1. Right now – not in general, but RIGHT NOW – Edwards is costing his head coach his job.

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by Brian Galliford on Oct 5, 2009 6:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

, it wasn’t Edwards who decided to drop as many offensive tackles as possible immediately before the season and replace them with practice-squadders

We release one guy, who was playing poorly I might add, and that’s “as many offensive tackles as possible”? How many teams would be successful with their 3rd and 4th OTs starting?

and it wasn’t Edwards who caused half of the defense to go out for the season.

It also wasn’t Jauron.

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 5, 2009 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just for fairness sake, Peters could be included with the OT thing.

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by WhyBillsWhy on Oct 6, 2009 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I suppose but I think if we hadn’t have dealt him he would have been a problem, too.

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 6, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not disagreeing in the slightest. Just saying we lost more than one OT this off-season.

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by WhyBillsWhy on Oct 7, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

You mean if Jauron is fired midseason? Edwards is the starting QB for the remainder of the season unless things get really, really bad.

If/when DJ goes after the year, Edwards’ starting days are numbers. Next year is the final year of Trent’s rookie contract and it’s probably for about the minimum for fourth year players, so he’ll definitely be on the team next year. Most likely scenario is a rookie QB competing with Trent in camp and even if Edwards wins, he’s going to have a tough time getting a new contract with the Bills as the long term starter.

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by kaisertown on Oct 4, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

edwards fate is jaurons fate

this is trents last season in buffalo. the new coach will want his own qb, not jaurons left overs

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by J. Mackin on Oct 5, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

not necessarily – I think Edwards would be a good backup QB

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by J2 on Oct 5, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does anyone think the more we lose right now

the better off we’ll be in the long run? I mean, what would another 7-9 do for us?

by ccthemovieman on Oct 4, 2009 7:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Agree

7-9 just may buy that clown another as coach.

I can’t believe it’s come to this as a Bills fan: I want them to lose, and be embarrassed so Jauron can get fired. It’s terrible.

by Michael_Necci on Oct 4, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

right. Me and all my friends hope they totally do crap, cuz they’re not going to make the playoffs and a 7 or 8 win season might keep this guy around. He is not going to win for you so i hope they tank so that the future may look a bit more promising.

by csc06258 on Oct 5, 2009 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't worry

This team isn’t winning 7 or 8 this year.

The problem will be they’ll probably win around 5 and end picking at the end of the top 10, and failing to have any hope at whoever the top QB’s may be, like Clausen….

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by Kurupt on Oct 5, 2009 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

totally with you on that

if there’s no playoffs, then tanking the season is the lesser of 2 evils, 7-9 gets us the 11th pick, thinking a top 5 pick is what we need, weather that’s to get a player of outstanding quality (qb preferably) or trade down and stock pile some picks. seems draft after draft i’m more excited about the bills 2nd pick then i am their 1st pick. but with the qb’s this year, clausen, mccoy or bradford should be out 1st round pick

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by J. Mackin on Oct 5, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know if this was said in the game blog but Chris Ellis’ mom passed away suddenly. He’s having a much worse day than we are.

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 4, 2009 7:19 PM EDT reply actions  

It really does put things in perspective.

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by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 4, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wondered what ‘family emergency’ was that important. Now I feel shallow.

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by Dyl on Oct 4, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know these guys dream their whole lives about it. It would have to be something major.

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 5, 2009 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Consider me fortunate then

I saw this one coming. I mowed my lawn rather than succumb to a new depth as a Bills fan. How the hell we were ever favored in this game is a mystery to me.

What is there to say? Do I really want to drive 300 miles each way next weekend to see us play the Browns? Not sure. One thing I am sure of is that I will not renew my season tickets next year. I’ll take a year off.

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by ChipShot on Oct 4, 2009 7:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Jauron Out

Can someone tell me one reason Dick Jauron SHOULD be our coach next week?

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by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 4, 2009 7:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I've been a Jauron fan

and I still am. I think he’ll make great Asst Head Coach for a young’n somewhere. I do think Wilson whould keep everything intact this year. There is nothing to be gained from firing DJ now. Let AVP, Edwards, and the young line develop.

I hate to say this, but boy, is Cowher looking very attractive.

by Ono on Oct 4, 2009 7:22 PM EDT reply actions  

This guy has only 1 winning season in his entire head coaching career. He is a loser. And it’s showing.

He is catatonic, and I’m sick of him… He is a joke.

by Michael_Necci on Oct 4, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why keep him intact… give me one reason (other than economics)?

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by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 4, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe I'm crazy

but how about bringing in some veteran line help now?? Jeez! I am so sick of hearing that the vets out there aren’t suited to the no-huddle…..given the offensive ineptitude the past two weeks, the no-huddle is the last thing I worry about if I’m a coach….. protecting a pretty efficient QB and establishing a verifiable running threat should be at the top of the list…. regardless of who our next opponent is.

One guy I was generally happy with today was George Wilson…. he seemed to be giving it an honest effort out there.

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by Jax Bills Fan on Oct 4, 2009 7:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Wilson had two sacks and a bunch of tackles. Good game.

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 4, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pathetic

The only consolation I have today is that I didn’t buy a season ticket. Is it possible that Trent Edwards is a clone of J. P. L?

by penance on Oct 4, 2009 7:24 PM EDT reply actions  

I think he's more of a doppleganger

or like an evil twin or something because both played objectively terrible but in different ways.

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by pasaluki on Oct 4, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

What should be more apparent is that the Bills’ coaches and scouts find QBs like this and turn them into something even worse than they were before.

I remain convinced that somehow Drew Rosenhaus negotiated a playing time deal for Roscoe into the contract for TO.

by thefourwinds on Oct 4, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

perfect comment thefourwinds

by csc06258 on Oct 5, 2009 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm afraid of reading the Oline review for this game.

what a mess

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by pasaluki on Oct 4, 2009 7:27 PM EDT reply actions  

I second that.

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by kaisertown on Oct 4, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know what

to say or do anymore….T.O. is just a side show to this team now. It’s unfortunate. You can point to OL, Edwards, play calling, injuries…etc. Bottom line is this team has no identity. No identity = mediocrity. End of story

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by MARVelous on Oct 4, 2009 7:28 PM EDT reply actions  

So what is the answer?

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by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 4, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

11 straight losses against 3-4 teams, 8 straight losses against the AFC East

Yup…Jauron is a loser, the season is over.

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by BillsNYC on Oct 4, 2009 7:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Brian will get mad if I weight into this discussion.

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by keysh67 on Oct 4, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

No I won’t.

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by Brian Galliford on Oct 4, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am so fed up with this crap, you said it best, I wasted 3 valuable hours of my left

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by keysh67 on Oct 4, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

life

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by keysh67 on Oct 4, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

If this was years 1,2, maybe even 3 of Jauron’s tenure that’d be one thing, but you can’t be in your 4th year and be in this situation as a Head Coach in the NFL.

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by BillsNYC on Oct 4, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

A loss next week

Will not be a shock. Might be a blessing.

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by ChipShot on Oct 4, 2009 7:31 PM EDT reply actions  

I think Gruden might be able to pull it off… He does run the Tampa 2 and if he keeps Van Pelt around the offense shouldn’t change that much.

Other options = Fewell or April

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by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 4, 2009 7:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Fewell or April do not have the experience. Gruden could make it work quickly.

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by Deadpool71 on Oct 4, 2009 7:32 PM EDT reply actions  

I think Brian Moorman had a good day today. His punts were getting good hangtime and good distance on them. So that’s positive

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by J2 on Oct 4, 2009 7:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed, but....

I’m tired of the punter being the silver lining no matter how good he is.

by bluecollarbuffalo on Oct 4, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

his 1st one was terrible

we were like at the 50 and they got to like the 30ish so he is definitely capable of shankin punts

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by pasaluki on Oct 4, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

yup – but hit also hit that forward. so it was a positive gain for us – he didn’t fumble either. so that’s good.

I also liked how the held onto the ball for the FG’s and extra point. I thought he did an excellent job there…..

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by J2 on Oct 4, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

If those OL rookies

are good, then you just have to have patience. The OL is a unit and will never develop if you keep playing “musical chairs” every season. Two weeks ago everyone was raving about AVP.. Now everyone is silent about him. Like another poster said, we need to give him some time, too. Meanwhile, Edwards doesn’t hlep his young OL with his slow reaction time to pass rushes and finding open receivers. Since he’s not a rookie, I’m most disappointed in him. I don’t think we have legit “good” QB on our roster right now……so I don’t think there is a quick-fix to this offense. DJ should have been let go last year but it didn’t happen and I don’t think they’ll fire him this early in the season.

by ccthemovieman on Oct 4, 2009 7:33 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I came into this season expecting 3-13.

Unlike everyone else I went in expecting the worst and since that’s what we got I’m not upset.

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by UZ on Oct 5, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

would you stop this!!
Unlike everyone else I went in expecting the worst and since that’s what we got I’m not upset.

Yeesh, im not picking on this one comment UZ but rather in general the sentiment on this board. Its been four games and we are 1-3 and that quote makes it seem like the year is over. In case you forgot, we were 5-1 last year and ended up with a LOSING record. Its still early and we are very dinged up. Am I pissed at Edwards and AVP and Jauron. Hell yes, I’m furious. We were embarrassed by the fish and it was ugly but take it easy. This blog is getting tougher and tougher to read with this abandon ship attitude. I believe the Giants were 0-2 the year they won the Super Bowl. Are we going to finish 8-8? I have no idea, but its still early.

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by poz on Oct 5, 2009 3:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I do not think we could win against anyone the way we are playing.

If our highlights are the punter we have a sad state of affairs

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by Deadpool71 on Oct 4, 2009 7:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Not true. Garrison Sanborn brought his A game today.

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by Brian Galliford on Oct 4, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

So did George Wilson.

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 4, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

as did

Chris Kelsay…that guy has been on fire lately

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by MARVelous on Oct 4, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ehh – I saw Kelsay get burned on screen passes at least three times. He was OK.

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by Brian Galliford on Oct 4, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

he did get torched on a bunch of screen passes, ellison aslo is the worst olb in the league.

by csc06258 on Oct 5, 2009 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

He got schooled on that TD pass to the tight end but he’s not the worst in the league. He is 3rd in the league in tackles for cryin out loud.

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 5, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

I thought Wilson look pretty bad in the run game. He was slow to diagnose plays, got locked too much onto his own man and was unaware. The only time this D does well (especiallly since the injuries kicked in) is when they don’t have to think. George Wilson looked good attacking. Kyle Williams looks good attacking….why don’t we attack?

by bluecollarbuffalo on Oct 4, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Question:

why don’t we attack?

Answer:
Perry Fewell.

I remain convinced that somehow Drew Rosenhaus negotiated a playing time deal for Roscoe into the contract for TO.

by thefourwinds on Oct 4, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

He had two sacks and a forced fumble. Guess you can’t have everything. :-)

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 5, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

one thing I'll say...

it’s a long season. We are on pace for 4-12. We have 12 games left and need to go 9-3….this offense will look better come week 10 then it is now, but time has expired on Dick Jauron and barring a miracle run….man I just can’t believe how baaaaaaaaaaaaad the team played today. I wasn’t expecting it to be THIS bad

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by MARVelous on Oct 4, 2009 7:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Gruden

Gruden would not come in mid-season.

What are his gains? He could not make major moves on the team and would be stuck with its current talent base. Therefore, losses would be hung against him and he would not be the saviour everyone wants.

Any coach should come in after the season, bring in their coordinators and start from scratch.

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by kilowatt44 on Oct 4, 2009 7:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Actually, as the interim coach, he would be afforded much more leeway for the whole rest of the season. That way he gets to start now with all the evaluation he needs to do. I totally disagree with your reasoning.

I remain convinced that somehow Drew Rosenhaus negotiated a playing time deal for Roscoe into the contract for TO.

by thefourwinds on Oct 4, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate that Ralph did this to us

We are great fans and we don’t deserve this crap. Ralph should have done the right thing at the end of last season. Now what do we have to look forward to the rest of this year?

What a huge error it was to go into this season with so many rookies on the O-Line, Dick should have made an effort to pickup a veteran at LT.

I think I’d prefer to see Fitz play next week, I can’t take this no more.

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by keysh67 on Oct 4, 2009 7:41 PM EDT reply actions  

When healthy as a unit

I thought the O-line looked good. At least enough potential to stay in tact and build around.

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by NolaBillsFan on Oct 4, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

With that O-Line and Fritz at center, are you trying to see the QB with most INT in a game ever?

by hightower_mc on Oct 4, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Our wonderful coaching staff thought that this guy was the best possible FA, they really moved fast to get him I agree with you that he sucks also but I am so fed up of watching Edwards… I think I will follow the Vikings from now until the end of the year instead so this way I won’t be as discouraged

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by keysh67 on Oct 4, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

What a huge error it was to go into this season with so many rookies on the O-Line, Dick should have made an effort to pickup a veteran at LT.

First, the rookies are playing pretty well. I love Levitre and Wood. Second, a vet LT wouldn’t be helping us any more than Bell. Bell has played just as well as any vet LT we would have signed in free agency. Good ones don’t make it to free agency.

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 5, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

You like being in the position that we were in last weekend? Chambers & Scott… Geez man!

A veteran would have solidified the RT spot when Butler went down, then we’d only have one weak tackle spot to worrie about until the return of Bell.

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by keysh67 on Oct 7, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I get what yo uare saying now. No I’m not happy that Scott looked like a swinging bar door on Sunday. Personally I thought he played well against the Saints at RT. I also thought Kirk Chambers was good last year when asked to play both LT and RT. It’s clear to me now that Chambers has regressed since last year for whatever reason and I understand now why they cut him and made Scott the swing tackle. That being said I don’t think signing one of the available vets out there was going to be a whole lot better. There is a reason a team like Green Bay with Chad Clifton going down hasn’t signed these guys either. Maybe they are asking for big money or they lost it with age or injury. For whatever reason these guys are still unsigned now. Bell needs to get healthy and let Scott play RT because that is the best situation out there. It looks like that is what is going to happen this Sunday thank God.

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 8, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I regret getting season tickets

And I hope a lot of us feel this way. I feel like a fool for allowing myself to hope. As long as Ralph hires lousy cheap coaches we will continue to have mediocre teams as long as this is the case. There is no insight here, no way to turn it around, the tiger won’t change it’s stripes.

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by TatonkaDonk on Oct 4, 2009 7:42 PM EDT reply actions  

agreed

Either believe in your team or don’t coach it
FEED the BEAST!

by keysh67 on Oct 4, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

There’s a reason I didn’t run out and buy TO merchandise or tickets this year. I knew what Ralph was doing.

It’s all about the money for Ralph these days in his old age.

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by UZ on Oct 4, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Guys, Jauron makes the same as a bunch of first time coaches. They can do fine making the same amount of money.

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 5, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

THIS IS HOW BAD IT IS!

The detriot lions future looks better then ours.
Qb better
Coach better
Wr even
Gm better
Crazy it makes me sick

Rrrroarrrr, rrroarrr like a dungeon dragon-Busta Ryhmes

by Moe_frm_B_ on Oct 4, 2009 7:48 PM EDT reply actions  

You say WR even, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Calvin Johnson is a top 3 receiver by mid-year. TO and Lee don’t compare to that.

by karovda on Oct 4, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think GM better is a bit of a stretch since we barely even have one.

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by UZ on Oct 5, 2009 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is T.O's toe still bothering him?

you would have to wonder at this point

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by Patssuck456 on Oct 4, 2009 7:48 PM EDT reply actions  

TO is suffering from being given limited opportunities to catch passes. Edwards looks like he’s regressed. I think the experiment might be over soon.

*Please prove me wrong Trent, please prove me wrong.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 4, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

last count…. TO was thrown to 8 times and only caught 3 of them….. opportunity only knocks so long as you are opening the door to answer…… he looks completely disinterested out there at times

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by Jax Bills Fan on Oct 4, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wouldn’t you look disinterested if you were staring back at a shaky QB?OL combo? Many of Owens’ “passes” were way off mark. He’s really scrutinized because of who he is.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 4, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Totally agree, I'd be disinterested if I was TO, and those throws to him were terrible!

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by Sluss88 on Oct 4, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

That sentence either proves you’re ignorant or didn’t watch any of the games. A good 3/4 of the balls “thrown to” him were either overthrown or out of bounds so far.

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by UZ on Oct 4, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone that knows me

from my posts last year, Know that I may be the true, eternal optimist… Wasn’t it about this time last year that I proclaimed that our Bills had the rest of the NFL, right where we want them????
However… I can’t say that again this year…
I’m officially on the “Fire Jaroun” bandwagon. And for those who think he’s safe from Mr Wilson because of his contract, watch… Ralph despises the Phish as much as I… He won’t let the injury bug, or anything else excuse this type of play…
He’s not football dumb, like some think… He knows we have talent, and he knows that while injury can take it’s toll, it’s no excuse for embarrassment….
It may not be this week, but I’d be willing to bet, Mr Wilson is on the phone right now, to gauge coaching availability, knowing we may have to go with an interim, but not wanting too… And you can bet, one of those calls, prolly a conference call; is to the current staff… And it’s not one of those “confidence calls” either, more likely gauging who “wants” to stay, and who prefers to call it in….
No folks… I know, Mr Wilson is a very pissed off man this evening, and will soon, make some major changes…..

by Cinga on Oct 4, 2009 7:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Hey Cinga, hop off the “Fire Jaroun” wagon and onto our “Fire Jauron” bandwagon! ;-)

I remain convinced that somehow Drew Rosenhaus negotiated a playing time deal for Roscoe into the contract for TO.

by thefourwinds on Oct 4, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hope you are right Cinga

I can’t remember the last time I turned off a Bills game. I really couldn’t watch it anymore. I am more sad than mad. So much of this could have been avoided. Now we have to suffer through this season before we suffer through the rebuilding process next season. I don’t expect the Bills to win another game this year. The Bills are the new Lions

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by Joe P. on Oct 5, 2009 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

So much of this could have been avoided

this is so true buddy. I remember last season when you & I were on a crusade to get Jauron out. The fact that we knew this was going to happen makes it even worse. If an idiot like me can see the writting on the wall, what does that say about Ralph?

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FEED the BEAST!

by keysh67 on Oct 7, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

juron

Juron has had 4 years to get this team together. He failed on all counts. Hand him his walking papers.

by sandy clam on Oct 4, 2009 8:01 PM EDT reply actions  

If there’s one thing I kow, it’s what to avoid getting sand in.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 4, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow read an open letter from someone on another site:
Dear Dick Jauron,
Your team is terrible. Gutless, stupid, and rudderless. They crumble under pressure. They are routinely guilty of mental errors. No adjustments are made, seemingly no recognition of the team’s flaws ever happens. You and your staff talk about changing things up, but, almost invariably, these changes are cosmetic(if they happen at all) and accomplish very little. This team is barely a match for other mediocre teams, let alone a team that’s half-way decent.

Dear Buffalo Bills,
I long for feeling something again. I remember the year we went 3-13, Donahoe’s and Williams’s first year here. But I could watch it, because I still felt like the team was playing. Like they were trying. I don’t really get that impression anymore. More and more, I feel the Buffalo Bills are content with mediocrity. And that leaves me numb.

really says it all.

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by pasaluki on Oct 4, 2009 8:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Van Pelt was the QB the 3-13 season…they at least had a lot of heart and lost a lot of close games.

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by BillsNYC on Oct 4, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remember the

6-3 MNF Colts game. I’m in DC and still see Todd Collins hanging around.

by Ono on Oct 4, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whoever wrote that isn’t watching the games. The Bills players obviously care about the way they are playing.

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 5, 2009 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t see anything ever changing things for this team. I recall Ralph Wilson saying things like “this team is best served by retaining Jauron” at the end of last year and then “I don’t know why I’m in the Hall of Fame, I play tennis” this year. I think those two things just about sum it up. I think watching football in Buffalo might soon go he way of the Edsel.

by south123 on Oct 4, 2009 8:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Does “retaining Jauron” lead to the same effects as retaining water – leave you bloated, sluggish and irritable?

I remain convinced that somehow Drew Rosenhaus negotiated a playing time deal for Roscoe into the contract for TO.

by thefourwinds on Oct 4, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

"I don’t know why I’m in the Hall of Fame, I play tennis"

It was a joke. What has the world come to if we’re ripping on 90 year old guys for very humbly joking about themselves during a HOF induction speech.

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by kaisertown on Oct 4, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

We mad :D

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by UZ on Oct 4, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

It ws a tuff 1! Sumhow, sumway, WE hv 2 get better! Gotta stay positive!! It’ll get better!

TO’s first post-game tweet. No bus-tossing, yet.

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by dzil on Oct 4, 2009 8:10 PM EDT reply actions  

I find it convenient that:

Both Trent Edwards and JP Losman suck. Two completely different QBs, one with great physical abilities, picked 1st round, the other a 3rd round pick that makes quick decisions with a Stanford education.

Both these QBs are now considered “busts” after starting 2+ seasons with the Bills. At what point do you ask the question, “Have these guys been given a fair chance?” How many different Offensive Co-ordinators have they had between them? How many different O-lines?

It apparently doesn’t even matter to bring in T.O. The same reason that the Patriots can plug in Matt freakin Cassell and win with him, it’s the same reason why two completely different quarterbacks can be run out of Buffalo….Dick Jauron anyone?

I really think our head coach has ruined two careers. JP Losman’s style just didn’t fit in with Jauron’s conservative nature. Trent Edwards has been “coached” that a punt is better than an INT. I just don’t think the Bills can win with Jauron. (Not saying anything ground-breaking here, I know)

by StroudFanClub on Oct 4, 2009 8:28 PM EDT reply actions  

having a real G.M. is the FIRST step to recovery.

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by dzil on Oct 4, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Go back over the list of QBs taken after the 20th pick over that timespan. It’s not pretty. Buffalo would have been lucky had one of these guys worked out. Buffalo needs to grab a top prospect. Not the guy who they think is the best of the 2nd tier prospects.

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by kaisertown on Oct 4, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

We need Clausen or Snead, not McCoy or Tebow (though I like Tebow, we’re not the right team for him).

by Der Jaeger on Oct 4, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve said it before, the day the Bills draft Tebow is the day I jump onto the Broncos bandwagon, that will be the last straw.

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by UZ on Oct 4, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I'll say it again, as I've done before...

Tebow with a stable coaching situation and a stable offensive scheme is a starter and winner in the NFL in two years. Similar situation to McNabb coming out of college. McNabb has had Reid and the WC system the entire time, and you see how well he’s done.

by Der Jaeger on Oct 4, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just saw a commercial on NBC for Jim and Pam’s wedding episode this coming Thursday on The Office. By far the best feeling I’ve had all day. Either I’m a girl, or the Bills are that bad. Possibly both.

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by Brian Galliford on Oct 4, 2009 8:29 PM EDT reply actions  

We need a poll…

I vote the Bills are that Bad… What are you trying to say about women… You sexist! :-)

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by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 4, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

What are you going to do when you realize this is the last season of LOST?

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by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 4, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

By far one of the best lines I have read today

One day we will win it all .... the Gods of Football and Hockey know that Buffalo fans deserve it !!!!

Go Bills !!!! Go Sabres !!!!

by TazzMania on Oct 4, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s going to be funny….

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 5, 2009 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jon Gruden and Bruce Allen

eThey made a good combo in Tampa, albiet with Monte Kiffin. But both are available, and they made the playoffs with an aging defense and J Garcia 2 yrs ago. We need a coach is a polar opposite to DJ when we make the change. Key work “When”. I have been a supporter of DJ, but it is apparent that even with talent everywhere (except the OL) we could actually play a game to our strengths. How do we play so inconsistant?

How many years can we go without making the playoffs...eventually the odds go in your favor.........right?!?!?

by Rudy916 on Oct 4, 2009 8:38 PM EDT reply actions  

What alternative history are you reading?

Gruden and Allen butted heads, and it resulted in terrible player deicsions that ultimately lead to both being fired.

by Der Jaeger on Oct 4, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is anyone else as devestaded as I am right now?

I think it just sunk in for me just how far the Bills are away from having a good team.

by StroudFanClub on Oct 4, 2009 8:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Pretty sure that yes, we are.

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by Brian Galliford on Oct 4, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Welcome to the club, I’ve felt that way since the end of last season.

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by BillsNYC on Oct 4, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I kinda felt this way when we fired Schonert and then released Walker (not that I was against either). It seemed to a measure of throwing in the proverbial towel… That Jauron was just going to be decisive, hopefully for the better… I am lost with this post, I don’t know where I am going.

OK… I give up… I got nothing. Calling it a night and going back to something more enjoyable than the Bills… My work (sarcastically).

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by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 4, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have been a fan all of my life …. proud to wear the bills logo no matter what our record…. but after the press conference and game I just watched… I must say I am truly embarrassed to be a fan right now…. Our QB and Coach repeatedly stated that they needed to look at the tape and find out what went wrong and then make the changes to correct the problems … are they serious…. have to review the tape… we flat out sucked today in nearly every category… what is the point of viewing the tape????

Time for a serious change ….. as a fan I am tired of waiting for a contender …. I would be happy with a team that just gave a damn!!!!

One day we will win it all .... the Gods of Football and Hockey know that Buffalo fans deserve it !!!!

Go Bills !!!! Go Sabres !!!!

by TazzMania on Oct 4, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

You should have been in the Meadow lands after the last game of the season wearing Bills gear. I was. It was a long walk back to the car.

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by sireric on Oct 4, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

They are in denial and will not show any emotion to the media or fans.

That is why the players like them so much. It would be great to know what is really addressed in Monday/Tuesday film sessions after games to “Fix” the problems that occur week to week.

I couldn’t even guess what Jauron might say to the team… maybe “Nice try guys” or something pathetic.

by dabillsr1 on Oct 4, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meh

I did feel that way, but that was months ago when they decided to keep Jauron. Since then I saw this coming and all the crap this offseason just confirmed it. So no I’m not devastated. I just don’t give a crap. I’m in the apathetic stage and have been for some time. Wake me up when we get rid of Jauron. Until then there is no point in caring, we all know the team is going to suck, or at their very best be mediocre, while he is here.

Hopefully at the same time they actually, you know, hire a GM. This committee crap they have going on now is a complete joke. I thought it was ridiculously dumb when it was announced and would be a disaster and what do you know? Disaster might be too strong a word but it isn’t working.

by mjt1586 on Oct 4, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Buffalo's Problems this year go well beyond Jauron

This game was a prime indication of what is the problem with the Bills this year and most likely why we haven’t been to the playoffs this decade…

We rely too much on our starters to be starters each and every game! We have NO DEPTH at any position except CB because we draft 18 of the every year.

When our OL Tackles go down, we have to bring in Chambers and Scott who are awful and it showed today and the 2nd half of last week.

When our MLB breaks his arm, we have to start an undersized MLB in Buggs, who got smushed all day today. He is so short he has to take risks and constantly guesses wrong. This guy gets eaten up by OL all the time.

We can’t replace our QB, because we don’t have anything better or with any potential on our bench.

Every year it is just bad bad decisions made in the off-season that hurts us when our starters get hurt and/or stink it up where they need to be replaced.

Someday if we every are able to get a real pro-player personnel GM and decision maker, we might have a chance to watch a real team play football. Jauron or any coach can’t win with what we have on our bench and are forced to play with week to week.

It is a shame that Ralph won’t figure this out.

by dabillsr1 on Oct 4, 2009 8:59 PM EDT reply actions  

it breaks my heart, but you are 100% correct on all counts. I’d add that probably Jauron has a huge role in personnel decisions given the current front office structure. This is as much his personnel mess as Brandon’s.

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by NJBill on Oct 4, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would argue that Scott was fine at RT but looked like garbage at LT. He should have been better, no doubt.

To be fair to Buggs, he is our third string MLB behind Poz and Digiorgio.

Plus, it’s not like we’ve been able to build a whole lot of depth. We have to find competant starters then build depth.

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 5, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

what went wrong

I’m hoping getting all the bad stuff on paper will help make me feel better, but as I write this, I’m feeling rather ill.

After 3 games of good game planning, the coaches definitely didn’t get their stuff together this week.

a) I think everyone who wanted Nic Harris to be the safety were completely vindicated. It was a terrible decision to play 2 safeties who are mostly pass coverage guys. It seemed like the obvious defensive strategy was to stop the run and make Chad Henne beat you over the top. Thus, you’d want a big strong safety and we have him in Nic Harris if we used him. Jairus Byrd looked helpless trying to tackle any running backs. And I can’t remember him giving any help in pass coverage. I think it is a really bad situation when the coach has to think about where a guy was drafted to decide to play him (in other words, Byrd was drafted round 2, Harris round 5, so Byrd plays). The strategy should dictate game personnel.

b) Every time we blitzed, it seemed like we sacked Henne or he threw it away. Rushing 4 was useless against the Dolphin line. I’m never sure if Kawika is any help covering receivers so why not rush him every time?

The thing that makes me want to cry is the soft coverage on 3rd down. Miami ran simple button hooks on every 3rd down and when there wasn’t a blitz, Henne calmly completed those passes. If McGee is worth the 10s of millions Ralph is going to pay him, he should be able to be up on the cut back routes and be able to recover on stuff over his head.

c) Trent looked unbelievably awful. Obviously, the line was terrible, but didn’t it seem like the drop Trent took when he was in the shotgun took him right into the rushing lane of the Dolphins rushing from the ends? I would think growing up in the Bay Area, Trent would be all about the west coast quick passes. Why would he dream of holding onto the ball for so long when he knew that he wasn’t going to be getting good protection? It seemed like the Dolphins were way over-shading the short passes, and the long passes he threw were pretty quick releases because Lee and TO can get down the field fast. How is it possible that we can throw to TO once in the Red Zone? And please just throw it up there to the guy and let him earn his 6.5 million.

d) Marshawn looked completely out of sync, so why did they keep letting him play? I have no idea why Chris Brown got so excited about having Fred and Marshawn in the backfield together. That formation seemed like it worked once out of the 10 times we dialed it up.

I think Gruden is not the answer. He was good in Oakland as a young, motivated guy, and he inherited a great team that Tony Dungy had built up when he moved to Tampa, and he was lucky enough to play his old team in the Super Bowl. And then things were all downhill in Tampa. Plus, I really like him in the booth. Would Ralph really pay him more than he’s making at ESPN?

Is this the year of the QB draft? It seems like we should keep Trent around with a young hotshot breathing down his neck. I’m not sure I can handle watching any more young QBs get sacked behind a young offensive line and getting discarded way before their time. It might be a good idea to hire a real QB coach as well.

That’s a lot of problems. It would sure be nice if there were once answer to right the ship.

by williamsDT on Oct 4, 2009 8:59 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

That formation seemed like it worked once out of the 10 times we dialed it up.

But isn’t that the result for every formation we run?

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by Kurupt on Oct 4, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

ha. I think Freddy alone has been a bit better than that this year. It’s marshawn’s first game back, I sure hope he gets better.

by williamsDT on Oct 5, 2009 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Byrd had a pass break up with both hands on the ball in the end zone on a long throw. Just saying he had one good play in the pass game. And he played over Harris because he’s been practicing at safety for us for 6 months, not three days. It has nothing to do with draft position.

Wilson had two sacks and a forced fumble. I don’t know if you can say he played poorly. Against the run, sure, but overall not so much.

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 5, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

i don’t deny that Byrd should be in there to play against passing offenses (the scouts told us he has big play capabilities), but yesterday we needed a bigger guy that could tackle the running backs.

Does anyone else think we drafted Harris to be the next Urlacher? Safety converting to MLB in Tampa 2. I know we got poz, but unfortunately he seems to have inherited Shane Conlan’s Penn State Bills LB injury prone-ness and if poz does stay healthy I think he might fit better where kawika is.

by williamsDT on Oct 5, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Keith Ellison was a safety, too. How’s that workin out. And if he was the next MLB why wouldn’t he be there now when Buggs is there?

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 6, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

harris carries a couple more pounds than Ellison, not sure if he’s stronger, but isn’t Ellison like 4th in NFL in tackles? I have no answer for you about why they’d put buggsy in middle if they wanted harris to develop there. Haven’t I seen some discussion about poor coaching and front office decision making on this blog?

by williamsDT on Oct 6, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

guys, i just finished throwing up…….this sucks…another year in the hole……we will suck for a long time! we need shanahan or cowher now!

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by P.Sharif on Oct 4, 2009 9:15 PM EDT reply actions  

i just

want this to all go away….what’s ridiculous….is right when we right them off, they’ll find a way to get to 6-6 and make it interesting… What kills me is any injury to our OL going into the season was going to be a death sentence, and losing Butler for good, and Bell temporarily shows that. We have no depth on the OL and you can’t run 4-5 guys in patters with a shotty OL. I thought today was a perfect day to run #23 and #22 all day and give our DEF a break with all the smallish, backups we had playing….instead we got killed in TOP, tried throwing the ball and ugh….thank God I live in Minneapolis and have the crazy excitement of the Twins…..even if it is baseball

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by MARVelous on Oct 4, 2009 9:18 PM EDT reply actions  

You mean you are not on the Farve bandwagon??????

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by Joe P. on Oct 5, 2009 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't give up!

Just do what I do! Be a amatuer draftnik. If the Bills are good, then I’m happy. If the Bills are bad, I have the draft as hope.

I thought the season would go like this (see my fanpost from this evening) and have scouting in anticipation. Clausen is looking great right now.

by Der Jaeger on Oct 4, 2009 9:43 PM EDT reply actions  

glad they didnt televise the game in AK

from the standpoint of someone who didnt watch the game and cant stomach the thought of looking at the game stats heres MO

1. The Bills do a marvelous job of making inexperienced QB’s look like future HOFs…I dont want to think of what Sanchez will do to us

2. As much as I want Jauron to already be fired before they even land in Buffalo it just isnt going to happen, we are stuck with him for the rest of the season. For those who think we might get Cowher, Gruden, or some other big name you can probably forget it, Ralph will not spend big money on a coach and honestly I dont think Cowher or any decent coach would come to Buffalo. Besides a top notch coach aint gonna change that much without a GM who actually knows something about football and not just about making the almighty dollar.

3. Trent may be a decent QB with a decent OL but he will never excel for the reaminder of his tenure in Buffalo. I dont want to go as far to say that he is a bust but I do and have always believed that he is at best a backup in this league. Heres to hoping we hit in the draft next year.

It sickens me to think about what this team could have been this year with a decent coach who actually knew how to motivate and inspire his players….but as usual we will be watching from the sidelines for the rest of the season.

Finally as I much as I hate the direction of the team and the lack of heart they display on a weekly basis I will continue to follow and watch this team whenever possible simply because that is what FANS do.

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by ajred12 on Oct 4, 2009 9:49 PM EDT reply actions  

i have nothing to say

that hasnt been said. i still honestly believe this team has the talent. yes we have had injures, but many teams have. i think when you think you have the talent, and are still not succeeding, it has to be a coaching/front office problem. i dont know for sure, i just know its very disheartening to lose to the dolphins in such a way.

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by silverstreak3k on Oct 4, 2009 9:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks to all...

…for stating everything that had to be stated after the debacle in South Florida. I have nothing to add, just like I have no hope for the remainder of the season. There may be an inspired performance now and then, but the end-result will be the same.

The only positive thing that I can come up with is that Ralph has brought in an coach from the outside mid season before…one Marv Levy. Marv was generally well regarded, but certainly not a high profile hiring at the time. Presiding over the last 7 games of the 1986 season, he had an opportunity to assess talent and quickly build a contender. Of course, the Bills had a then diamond in the rough at GM.
 
Although our DJ will probably with us until the seasons end, I’m watching out for game #9 to see if history repeats itself. If we’re sitting at 2-7 after a loss against lowly Tennessee, then watch out; lightning may indeed strike again.

"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban

by NJBill on Oct 4, 2009 10:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Great recollection! forgot about Levy!

"You play to win the game, you don't play to just play it" - Herm Edwards

by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 4, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Marv Levy had a career .425 winning percentage when he was hired in Buffalo. If the Bills brought in a guy like that fans would absolutely murder Ralph and any GM or front office member that signed off on it. Jauron’s stint as Bills coach was .434 heading into this season and is .411 now.

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 5, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

How much of Levy’s winnings had to do with him though? Remember, Polian built that team. He had Bruce, Kelly etc….. they were loaded. I’ve heard old timers tell me that Marv was the reason we lost super bowls – his inability to beat superior teams because he had too much talent and didn’t have to coach as much.

kind of ironic isn’t it that a few years after Polian was fired we started sucking again……

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Trent Edwards - Backup QB until furthur notice. Care to prove me wrong Trent?

by J2 on Oct 5, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

You jerk........

and your damn logic!

"In every adversity there lies the seed of an equivalent advantage. In every defeat is a lesson showing you how to win the victory next time." (Robert Collier)

by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 5, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

The salary cap era. Polian leaving conincided with the start of the salary cap and we had to start making tough choices with longtime Bills and replacing those guys. You’re right about Polian leaving equalling the downfall but it’s not as cut and dry as he left, we stink.

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 6, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting

Anyone else find it interesting that none of the post-game press conferences are up on buffalobills.com?

Also noteworthy, is that Chris Brown’s blog has not been updated since before the game.

Furthermore, there are only highlights of the game up right now, really nothing else but an article paraphrasing some of the post game press stuff.

Maybe I am reading too much into it (probably)… Just wishful thinking that something is going to come out of OBD!

"You play to win the game, you don't play to just play it" - Herm Edwards

by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 4, 2009 10:24 PM EDT reply actions  

i am so tired of the constant ineptitude of the Bills that i can not find anything to complain about. we are members of the third world of the NFL, Kansas City, Oakland ,Cleveland.Tampa and us. are so far down the list that we have no future this year. we are underwhelmed with a 20 yard quarterback and a Im ok your ok head coach. I do not even ask the players to play with pride as they have nothing left to be proud of. I know that many will delude themselves into believing we can come back, but as long as this team is lead as it is it will not happen. I really would love to be wrong. but it is not to be. Next week we get to see the worst of the worst and it will be messy. I guess i did find something to complain about.

i remember Buffalo, . It was great, now not so much

by crazyoldmen on Oct 4, 2009 10:26 PM EDT reply actions  

We are masichists.

"You play to win the game, you don't play to just play it" - Herm Edwards

by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 4, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

spelling issues = masochist.

"You play to win the game, you don't play to just play it" - Herm Edwards

by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 4, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

WITH ALL THIS NEGATIVITY? WHY ARE U A BILLS FAN AT ALL?i have earned my negativity with 50 years of stand up, I have gone to war memorial stadium to what them play. I pased the flour as they tried to not embarrass themselves and us. in the 90’s i remember how to be a bills fan was a wonderful experience. There were the tears when we lost to the Giants and the frustrations of the next three after that.So jaynice I stand with my team and have done so for longer than many have been alive. That said I will not excuse their non effort or accept that they do not owe us a effort. so my credentials are solid .

i remember Buffalo, . It was great, now not so much

by crazyoldmen on Oct 4, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

How is it some teams have a culture of winning, while we historically have a culture of losing. We need a culture change, and fast.

Defend the Herd

by TatonkaDonk on Oct 4, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well. U are one of the few. Sorry, but I have been watching the Bills since I was a kid...

My dad used to to take us to the games and it became a part of our family and is STILL today. I am not saying I am happy with the way the team is playing…but DAMN. Even the Lions fans speak more highly then we do about our team. No wonder moving the team is something they are considering.

by Jaynice on Oct 4, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

well

that’s because the lions have a team that’s on the rise, and we have had a team that has been rotten and stagnant for years and years.

This space held in honor of Robert Royal known to his friends as "Sweet Cream Style Corn" March 11 2006- February 26, 2009

by pasaluki on Oct 4, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

HAHAHAHAHAAHAH

come on pasaluki! thats not really accurate. They just came off a WINLESS season. Of course they are a team on the rise. Even fielding a team is hope for improvement! The only legacy the Lions have is Barry Sanders and he quit on them. Dont even try and compare us to them. We have a storied history and a proud fan base with a young roster. They have still won one game since 2007.

We got your back Leodis!

by poz on Oct 5, 2009 3:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

dude....

we are sucking out there…there is very little to be positive about

Jauron’s nuts must have dropped this year….Go Bills!

by killascript on Oct 5, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

From Florio

Chat:
Participant = I am predicting Dick Jauron gets fired tomorrow. Your thoughts?
Florio = Who takes his place? Bobby April?

"You play to win the game, you don't play to just play it" - Herm Edwards

by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 4, 2009 10:34 PM EDT reply actions  

It could be worst...

The Rams lost to the 49ers. 35-0. San Diego is about to lose to the Steelers 28-0 and they have LT.

by Jaynice on Oct 4, 2009 10:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Chargers….
2007- 11 5 …. Playoff’s (Conf Round loss)
2008
8 -8 …. Playoff’s (Division Round loss)

Currently – 2-1 … going to 2-2 …… I would rather have those problems

One day we will win it all .... the Gods of Football and Hockey know that Buffalo fans deserve it !!!!

Go Bills !!!! Go Sabres !!!!

by TazzMania on Oct 4, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chargers….
2007- 11 5 …. Playoff’s (Conf Round loss)
2008 8 -8 …. Playoff’s (Division Round loss)

Currently – 2-1 … going to 2-2 …… I would rather have those problems

One day we will win it all .... the Gods of Football and Hockey know that Buffalo fans deserve it !!!!

Go Bills !!!! Go Sabres !!!!

by TazzMania on Oct 4, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

That would only be possible if we made the playoffs …. right now … not looking very positive

That said …. I’ll watch every snap until we are eliminated from contention … and more than likely everyone when we are …. that is the life of a Bills fan … has been since the beginning of the franchise

One day we will win it all .... the Gods of Football and Hockey know that Buffalo fans deserve it !!!!

Go Bills !!!! Go Sabres !!!!

by TazzMania on Oct 4, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Such is our lot in life and very difficult for non-Bills fans to understand. My wife is baffled when I watch a team like the one that showed up tonight. The first few years she felt sorry for me, then she thought I was a sadomasochist. Now she just thinks I’m plain stupid. Of course, this doesn’t stop me from following the Bills. It must be a moth to light kind of attraction.

BTW: If Schottenheimer wants back in, Buffalo would be ideal for him and the team. He has a good track record of creating contenders. Heck, the guy even played linebacker for the Bills for four years!

"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban

by NJBill on Oct 5, 2009 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ahh, and please don’t anyone tell me what a great head coach Norv Turner is. He’s run that team solidly into the ground. Doesn’t Schottenheimer want back into coaching?

I remain convinced that somehow Drew Rosenhaus negotiated a playing time deal for Roscoe into the contract for TO.

by thefourwinds on Oct 4, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

No argument there … I was just stating that I would be less upset with a team that made the playoffs the past two seasons … then with a team that hasn’t

One day we will win it all .... the Gods of Football and Hockey know that Buffalo fans deserve it !!!!

Go Bills !!!! Go Sabres !!!!

by TazzMania on Oct 4, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow. How’d that prediction work out? :-)

San Diego is about to lose to the Steelers 28-0 and they have LT.

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 5, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is only one man that can turn this team around quickly...

And it’s Cower. Yes he may be expensive but he’ll be worth every penny. He’s a rust belt type of guy that is used to smaller market teams with a bloodthirsty fanbase. He will make the players accountable, won’t cater to TO and will bring a swagger and cockiness to the team IMMEDIATELY. A team mirrors the personality of the coach and while Gruden may make the facial expressions, yell and act like Cower, he’s just a Cower wannabe.

Pay the money, get someone legit in here and you won’t have to keep looking for stars like TO . Cower will make EVERYONE play up to their potential. And I bet he wouldn’t mind coming here and having the possibility of facing Pittsburg.

by telka on Oct 4, 2009 10:43 PM EDT reply actions  

That would be very nice

But I’m afraid Ralph won’t pay for this type of a move. We need a winning mentality that starts at the top. I am guilty of getting my hopes up and “Billieving”, but we get the same results year after year. I believe we have a better chance of getting Santa Claus for head coach before Ralph pays for talent.

Defend the Herd

by TatonkaDonk on Oct 4, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I want to thank all you guys for your insightful comments. i have said many of the same things but lack the skills you do. buffalo has been on a acceptance of mediocrity for a long time and this needs to stop , but the bills will not pay to elevate their team. And thier are few John Maddens out their. I will be very surprised if their are not some major changes this week. Ok how about Garcia for the rest of the year, would be fun to see TO’s reaction, But he is a employee, lets see if he is a real new and improved version

i remember Buffalo, . It was great, now not so much

by crazyoldmen on Oct 4, 2009 11:44 PM EDT reply actions  

April, Why not?!

he couldn’t do worse, I mean, I think he has a pulse.

"This is what happens Larry!, This is what happens! "-Walter Sobchak

by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Oct 4, 2009 11:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Although Dexter is an interesting option…

"This is what happens Larry!, This is what happens! "-Walter Sobchak

by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Oct 4, 2009 11:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Seriously, Give Bobby April a shot.Now.

"This is what happens Larry!, This is what happens! "-Walter Sobchak

by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Oct 4, 2009 11:53 PM EDT reply actions  

For anyone pining for hiring someone from the outside during the regular season.....

It can’t and won’t happen. Two words: Rooney Rule. Unless the Bills bring in minority candidates to interview along with Gruden, Shanahan or whoever, it can’t happen. Sure, they could “interview” Perry Fewell, but would that even count? Would he even take the interview knowing he’s not a viable candidate? Does he want to be a HC? Etc….

There’s so much more that goes into a hiring decision, that you can’t just do it in the middle of the season.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Oct 4, 2009 11:58 PM EDT reply actions  

they could still fire jauron and install April as interim coach, without being required to do ANY interviews. I know, it’s not a great option, but I just want the depressing cancer that is dick jauron as far away from this team as possible.

most of my posts get deleted :(

by dzil on Oct 5, 2009 7:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bobby April is about as much of the answer as I am

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Oct 5, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Trent is even doing the “need to watch the tape” bit now too. WTF, I don’t think all this tape watching is doing any good. Are they even practicing or just watching tape all week?

"Next time I get the opportunity I am going to hold on and make a better decision." ~ Leodis McKelvin. (Can't ask for anythitng more than that)

by NolaBillsFan on Oct 5, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Jauron tells his player to watch the tape

They sit there and stare at it and after a few hours they let him know it didn’t go anywhere.

Seems like the results are the same!

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Oct 5, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well watching and studying are different things, maybe it’s a communication error! :D

Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.

by UZ on Oct 5, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Full regression

Terrible game. I just don’t see how it can get much better. We are weak, injured, and the NFL game is geting to our QB, and the coaches are not helping him. At least when you are exciting on offense and giving up points to lose, it leaves some positivity…but not here.
I like most of our players…but Trent is losing my confidence and this is a QB’s league

Jauron’s nuts must have dropped this year….Go Bills!

by killascript on Oct 5, 2009 12:28 AM EDT reply actions  

Time to change your sig, killa???????

Poor ball security leads to very painful outcomes

by Joe P. on Oct 5, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think he meant dropped....out of his pocket

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Oct 5, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

We need a GM

No one seems to remember that Marv Levy was brought in as GM and hired Jauron and then signed those overpriced linemen. Marv is a great guy and a wonderful coach but is no GM and he wisely retired before the team imploded. Look what a difference Parcells made in Miami. He hired a good coach a first rate personnel man and the team is making progress. I noticed the place was more than half empty yesterday (I guess there is more to do in Miami than Buffalo). Our much maligned Donahoe was better than what we have now. Greg Williams looks like Knute Rockne compared to our present coach. Until Ralph hires a real football man which is unlikely the BIlls will continue to stink.

by thundarr357 on Oct 5, 2009 9:02 AM EDT reply actions  

Our much maligned Donahoe was better than what we have now.

Dude, bite your tongue. No way Donahoe is better than this. No way Gregg Williams was better than Jauron either.

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 5, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

4 wins better ...... should I be impressed?????

Williams – 2001-03 – 17 wins
Jauron – 2006 – 08 – 21 wins

Poor ball security leads to very painful outcomes

by Joe P. on Oct 5, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Donohoe helped build the last team that finished over .500

so I guess he was better?

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Oct 5, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Slice it how you want, Donahoe set this team up for failure even into Jauron’s tenure and you know it.

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 6, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

We have had 4 years to recover from Donahoe. Sorry, but that excuse won't fly anymore.

If we were on the cusp of being playoff team….maybe you could say the current regime is better.

Poor ball security leads to very painful outcomes

by Joe P. on Oct 6, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I get it… I am not blaming Donahoe for the 2009 Bills but for failures prior.

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 7, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never said he didn’t.

But Donahoe helped put the last team to finish with a winning record on the field. This regime hasn’t done that.

Neither regime was any good

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Oct 7, 2009 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

OK.

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 7, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

why...

…is every year supposedly different from the previous year?
…are our coaches consistantly failures?
…do injuries seemingly ruin any hope we have each year?
…does our MLB break his arm every other year?
…is our OL constantly below average?
…does our QB never pan out to be the prospect he was?
…is Ralph Wilson in the NFL hall of fame?
Ugh.

Its CLEARLY not just a game!

by maco98xj on Oct 5, 2009 9:21 AM EDT reply actions  

is Ralph Wilson in the NFL hall of fame?

Because without him the AFL and NFL may never have merged, the lower revenue teams may never have had revenue sharing, and the TV rights for the AFL may never have happened. He is in the hall of fame for his contributions to pro football, not necessarily how his team plays.

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by MattRichWarren on Oct 5, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

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