Time not yet ripe for Jauron firing in Buffalo
I've got to say this right at the top: I fully embraced the likelihood that I'd be writing about the inevitability of Dick Jauron being fired as head coach of the Buffalo Bills at some point this season. After perhaps the second-worst loss of Jauron's 52-games-and-counting tenure as Bills head coach (nothing will ever top their 56-10 home loss to New England in '07), that likelihood has essentially become reality. Buffalo's 38-10 drubbing at the hands of the Miami Dolphins was that bad.
But I'd be lying if I said I thought I'd be writing this post after Week 4. I didn't want to address this hot-button issue until I felt that Jauron's firing was more eventuality than possibility. We, and the Bills, are now at that point.
Jauron's proverbial seat is hotter than any other NFL coach's right now. That's putting it lightly. Barring a miraculous turn of events that vaulted the Bills into the playoffs, Jauron is squarely in lame duck territory. We don't need to cover the why, because it's really fairly obvious.
Angst in the fan base is high - again, to put it lightly. The thirst for change in this organization is borderline unquenchable. But the reality of the current situation in Buffalo is this: despite the fact that a large portion of the fan base would rejoice to hear of what we'll refer to for the rest of the season as "the firing," it doesn't necessarily make sense to make such a move at this juncture.
Vision is essential to change
More often than not, change made for the sake of change - in football, at least - is done for short-term gain. If Jauron were handed his walking papers this morning, the Bills, as a team, would be the immediate beneficiaries of a few things - an immediate attitude change, an immediate energy boost (either good energy or bad energy), and certainly a spike in fan excitement level.
But let's face the facts, folks - in just four games this season, the Bills have displayed many of the same tendencies that put them well beyond a magical fix from attitude, energy and fan interest adjustments. They're woefully inexperienced in key areas; they're dealing with high quantities of injuries, most of them high in severity; and their on-field play is precisely the same as it has been in each of the past three 7-9 seasons under Jauron's watch.
No interim coach - whether realistic to imagine taking the reins or not - is going to solve Trent Edwards' quarterbacking woes, nor the offensive line's ridiculous inconsistency. They can't change systems or coaching personnel mid-season, either. It's on the players to prevent the season from reaching "beyond salvage" status; a change at head coach might have desirable short-term effects, but in the long term, what does it really accomplish? Change for the sake of change is a bad idea. Change with a vision for improvement? That's something to get behind.
Forget about the big names... for now
Bill Cowher. Mike Shanahan. Mike Holmgren. Jon Gruden. Tony Dungy. You've heard all of these names a million times over. Firing Jauron yesterday doesn't bring Buffalo any closer to hiring any one of these men as our next head coach.
Bringing in an outside hire mid-season rarely happens - and hasn't in quite some time - for several reasons. First and foremost, the Bills are moving towards being six months into offensive and defensive schemes and terminology that the new head coach would have little to no grasp of. The new hire would be inheriting coaches that, in most cases, they have little working knowledge of, no relationships with, and therefore no trust in. They'd inherit players that they'd only have half-formed opinions on - oh, and Terrell Owens. Their role for much of the remainder of the season would be to try to keep the sinking ship from sinking too quickly - or, more simply, to try to manage the unmanageable. Yes, there are upsides - player and coach evaluation chief among them - but you're still in a situation where you're literally playing games on a try-out basis, rather than trying to get players better (which, last I checked, is what coaching is all about when in a transitional phase). That's not progress, and available veteran coaches know it - otherwise, they'd be taking more offers, wouldn't they? There is zero appeal for a veteran head coach in entering a situation where you're unlikely to win games and unlikely to make better football players.
And that's all without mentioning the Rooney Rule.
Could the Bills conceivably make a run at one of these coaches? Well, laying aside your skepticism, yes, they could. But it's not going to happen in the middle of a season, nor should it (and it might not even be possible). There is a time and a place to court a coach like the five men mentioned above, and that time certainly is not now - not for this team, not for any team, and certainly not for those coaches.
So if Jauron were to be fired today, you'd be looking at an in-house promotion, with the only two legitimate options being Bobby April (Asst. Head Coach/Special Teams) and possibly defensive line coach Bob Sanders, who has coordinator experience. April would be the obvious choice - and he'd achieve those aforementioned short-term effects. But long-term, Bobby April is not the answer, folks, and he wouldn't be even if he guided the Bills to an unexpectedly strong finish.
If you're going to do something, do it the right way
Ultimately, no matter which way you look at it, the Buffalo Bills are in need of a face lift, and that face lift needs to start above the head coach. The front office needs some work, and while that's a topic for a different day, it holds some relevance in this discussion.
Change for the sake of change isn't the greatest idea, though that certainly doesn't preclude it from happening on the Bobby April front. When the change is made, it needs to come with the understanding that the franchise is heading in an entirely new direction from a football standpoint. This thing needs to be fixed carefully, in the correct fashion, and for the long haul. If firing Jauron and naming an in-house interim replacement is the first step in that process, then it'll happen, but the fact that it is the first step needs to be hammered home.
Patience, Bills fans. You're probably going to see a lot more crappy football this season no matter what happens. With a little more patience, we might see this thing fixed up the way it should have been fixed up all along - from the top down. If you're looking for short-term gratification, by all means, continue calling for Jauron's head - you're likely to get your wish at some point. Just understand that the "big fix" won't come immediately. Short-term satisfaction is just that: short term. If you're in the market for a big-name coach - or even a young, up-and-coming, energetic assistant on some other team's staff (which is where I'd lean, by the way) - you need to play the waiting game. That's very likely what Ralph Wilson is going to do - but either way, the change is coming, folks, whether it's through wins or the firing.
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You should look into
this whole uncapped year thing. I heard some folks talking about how no super star coach in his right mind would leave the security of the studio for an unprotected uncapped year or something like that.
Also, Brian Billick mentioned to some reporter guy that the league has become a General Manager’s league and it would be unlikely that one of these superstars would come back without assuming full control. So you see the difficulty here. Firing DJ is cleaning house from top to bottom and it’snot like they haven’t done a few things right. For example, I think we all agree they built a solid team and taken steps to shed unproductive players.
I like DJ. I want to see him move to the front office. The man has way too much football knowledge and smarts to dump.
The season is still salvageable. I’ve seen too many hot starts fall apart. I’d rather see a slow start—a fire lit under everyone’s stuff, and then they rip off a good run.
by Ono on Oct 5, 2009 8:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This idea that Dick Jauron would do anything other than coach needs to go by the wayside, too. The man was a player. He’s also a coach. He prefers to coach. He wants to coach. If he can’t coach, he won’t be in the game. Money is not an object to him. I’m fairly comfortable saying that Jauron would never, ever accept a move into the front office – and I’m not sure that’s in the Bills’ best interests, either.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 5, 2009 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And it’s not like Jauron is going to struggle to find a job. Despite his facial expressions on the sidelines, he really loves the game and loves coaching it. He might not be able to grab a DC job in the NFL next year, but he’s super respected and could get a job as a DB coach or get a job as a college coordinator. There’s nothing left for him in Buffalo.
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by kaisertown on Oct 5, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WHAT?!?!?
I like DJ. I want to see him move to the front office. The man has way too much football knowledge and smarts to dump.
You serious, Clark?by Michael_Necci on Oct 5, 2009 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You serious, Clark?
LOL. One of my favorite movies ever. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 5, 2009 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about the uncapped year thing? I could tell you pretty much anything you needed to know about it (and have from time to time). The Bills will be under very few restrictions next year with the uncapped year.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 5, 2009 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I fear for an uncapped NFL… It is the one constant that has seperated the NFL from the other pro leagues. New York Yankees = Dallas Cowboys…. Flordia Marlins = Buffalo Bills
by Northern Bills on Oct 5, 2009 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No.
That’s not how it is going to work. In the uncapped year(s) under the current CBA, a player doesn’t become an unrestricted free agent until after their sixth year. Even then, each team would have one franchise tag and two transition tags (the right to match any offer). Plus teams that make the playoffs will have severe restrictions on signing free agents. So maybe in the first two years when the Redskins and Cowboys are out of the playoffs they will be able to sign guys but after that they won’t be able to sign guys. I will go into it a lot more after the season is over and the eventuality of the uncapped year becomes a reality.
Besides, the Marlins have won the World Series since the Bills have won a playoff game. I would take the Marlins success. :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 5, 2009 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please doen’t wait until the season is over… I found your response very interesting and would like to hear how this will play out.
Besides… I think we are almost at the point of looking at next season….
by Northern Bills on Oct 5, 2009 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate to beg and force some work on you…but could you write a post about the uncapped year and the potential effect on the bills, if you have the knowledge and time?
by quantumuprising on Oct 5, 2009 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I already have….
http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2009/6/6/852033/looking-ahead-to-a-potential
It’s not Bills-centric but it’s all the new rules.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 5, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. The Marlins are nothing like the Bills. The Marlins have won two World Series since 1997 but Miami has repeatedly proven that they won’t support a winner and are last in the league in attendance. The Bills have not made the playoffs in a decade yet they’re still in the top-ten in attendance. There is absolutely no comparison between the Marlins and the Bills in any way.
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by Calvert on Oct 5, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Miami has proven they won’t support a loser…hence the attendance. When the Marlins were winning, that was a pretty packed stadium if I recall correctly.
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by Kurupt on Oct 5, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wasn't russ brandon a marketing veep or something with the marlins?
by LeClaireBill on Oct 5, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, ironically enough, yes. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 5, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I heard that coaches contracts
would not be protected or something like that so it wouldn’t be worth a coaches while to sign with anyone now until they see how things shake out with the talks. This was Brian Billick talking with a DC football reporter.
by Ono on Oct 5, 2009 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only thing that affects coaches that I’ve heard about is they changed their pension plan that forced Tom Moore and Mudd to retire from the Colts and come back as consultants instead of coaches. That doesn’t have to do with the uncapped year, though. It’s a different money move.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 5, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’m really surprised how everyone here is busy declaring the bills to be the worst team in the league. i realize monday is always garbage day on this site – all the drunken fans come in and declare their dying allegiance to the bills as their hangover rages on. but did anyone really expect a winning season this year from the team? i didn’t. i’m looking at it from the lens of next year: one that has levitre, wood, nelson, byrd, and maybin with a full year of NFL-level coaching and experience under their belts. one that has bell playing in his position for a full year, players like johnson and fine with more gametime, one that has whitner and mitchell and the d-line as a whole playing MUCH better than last year.
yeah, sunday was bad. it was a waste of my time, probably. but the bills got six sacks, which was unheard of last year. reed got it in the endzone. the defense, missing major players, played surprisingly well against the pass and (for at least part of the game) against the run. the bills took some shots down the field. IT COULD HAVE BEEN MUCH WORSE. take heart in that, if nothing else. and don’t slit your wrists, buffalo fans. it won’t be as bad once you aren’t dehydrated anymore.
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by the_prophet on Oct 5, 2009 8:17 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Has anyone here said the Bills are the worst team in the league?
I had a post that suggested them for consideration in the bottom five. But I don’t think anyone considers them to be Oakland bad.
And yes, I really did think they could have a winning season this year.
by Applsoss on Oct 5, 2009 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would put the Rams below Oakland.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 5, 2009 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who can forget the Browns?
I was born in Buffalo, and NO, it's not a suburb of New York City
by Ghetts on Oct 5, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bucs – they lost to Washington who lost to Detroit
Mmmph rrgh prrmf! - someone with his mouth gagged
by Dyl on Oct 5, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They also lost to us. :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 5, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even more reason for them to be considered worst!
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by Dyl on Oct 7, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you are the one who is drunk. Played well vs the run? 45 rushes for 250 yards on the ground is greater than 5.5 yards a carry. Played well vs. the pass? A rookie qb just passed for greater than 60% completions, and several key first downs.
not to mention the fact that we made one of the worst secondaries in the league look like an all-pro team.
and by the way, i didn’t drink at all yesterday. stereotyping is for those who have nothing to grasp at but their own delusions.
by quantumuprising on Oct 5, 2009 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Run D was awful, especially as the game wore on, but the pass D was good. 60% completions isn’t too impressive when everything is short. Henne threw for 115 yards on 22 attempts and was sacked 6 times. If you add in those sacks and a couple of Henne rushes then the Dolphins gained about 3.3 yards per pass play.
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by kaisertown on Oct 5, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
against a team that piled up ridiculous numbers in the run game last year, and then improved their o-line? yeah, their initial work vs. the run was excellent.
60% completions is crap. three quarters of those passes were VERY short throws that turned into big gainers. also, in case you missed it, he only threw for 115 yards…and then was sacked six times. that sounds like a great job by the pass defense to me.
we didn’t make the secondaries look like an all-pro team – joey porter and cameron wake did. pressure to the QB is the surest way to get interceptions, and it worked. to be honest, i don’t even care about the third INT – i’d been crying for edwards to throw downfield after he steps up out of pressure in the pocket, and the one time he did the game was lost anyways, so i’m glad he took the shot. there were times earlier in the game when he needed to and didn’t, and that cost us far more than his other plays did.
i apologize if i’m deluded. i obviously was intending the comment about drunkards to you specifically and not the 200k+ blue-collar fanbase as a whole, so i’m sorry that i offended you.
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by the_prophet on Oct 5, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You hit the positives and I’m glad someone did.
BTW – if Johnson wasn’t active yesterday and Justin Jenkins was, what does that tell you about the regard he is held in?
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 5, 2009 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Either he has regressed – or the coaches are confused
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by Ghetts on Oct 5, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You make a sensible, logical argument for riding this disaster out
Brian, all you say is rational and well-thought out. Right now, most Bills fans are incapable of rational thought, and understandably so.
But here’s my fear: Ralph has not gotten it right yet in this millennium. What makes you or I think he’ll get it right when this season is over? When I bring up Ralph’s name, a friend of mine chimes, “Ralph doesn’t even know what day it is.” There may be some truth to this. We need a thorough house-cleaning, starting at the management level. The owner has to make those calls, and our owner has demonstrated that he cannot do it competently.
No one has been able to answer this related question for me: what is keeping Ralph from selling the Bills while he is alive? If he truly is committed to keeping the team here, wouldn’t this be the only way he can assure that?
That aside, I am struggling to find a reason to trek 300 miles each way for the Browns game this weekend. I will not be renewing my tickets for next year.
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by ChipShot on Oct 5, 2009 8:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he won’t sell the team while he is alive. he also won’t make plans for the eventuality of his death.
to say we’re screwed is an understatement. we’re going nowhere with him here….and we might be going somewhere when he’s gone…another city.
by quantumuprising on Oct 5, 2009 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would he sell the team when he is alive? Titans of industry like looking back on their lives and seeing what they have accomplished. Wilson has accomplished some major stuff in his tenure, albeit not recently. Who the heck are you or other fans to tell him what to do with the team he founded, the city he picked (second), and the league he helped build?
I will be at the Browns game. That is reason to trek. :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 5, 2009 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excuse me, but...
Who the heck are you or other fans to tell him what to do with the team he founded,
Where did I say this? I simply posed a question, wondering how committed Ralph was to seeing the team remain in western New York.
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by ChipShot on Oct 5, 2009 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought you were implying that by asking why he won’t sell why he is alive. A lot of old timers like waiting until after they are gone to completely leave their businesses especially if their children don’t want them. I don’t think he could stand selling it and seeing someone else run the team. I don’t blame him.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 5, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As always, a fan’s only recourse is to withhold money. The question to any concerned fan is, “Will you do it?”
I remain convinced that somehow Drew Rosenhaus negotiated a playing time deal for Roscoe into the contract for TO.
by thefourwinds on Oct 5, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Proud to say I haven't spent a dime on the Bills this season
It took awhile, but I finally learned my lesson. I will not pay for mediocrity.
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by Joe P. on Oct 5, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone feel a DRAFT in here?
It’s hard not to get frustrated with the Jaroun era after three 7-9 seasons and the loss to the fins yesterday. No matter what sport you follow one theme remains constant when you talk about rebuilding, drafting….
2005 – Parrish, Everett, Preston, King….. no need to say anything more
2006 – Whitner (Cutler, Ngata still on the board) McCargo, Youboty, Simpon…
- Kyle Williams, Brad Butler, Keith Ellison are all nice late picks
2007 – Lynch, Posluzny (2 brocken arms), Edwards, Wright… need first 2 on the field
2008 – McKelvin, Hardy, Ellis, Corner… little impact at all
- Bell may prove to be another late steal
2009 – Maybin, Wood, Byrd, Levitre, Nelson… only heard from 2 young guards so far
5 years, one pro bowl player (sorry class of 2009, not this year)
Maybe Jaroun isn’t the only one at fault in this mess.
by Northern Bills on Oct 5, 2009 8:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agree....
Jauron is only part of the problem.
the 2005 draft was Donahoe’s last draft. Jauron’s first draft was 2006.
by Michael_Necci on Oct 5, 2009 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been saying this for years.
I think Modrak needs to take a blunt of the blame for this past decade. Whoever scouts these players is missing something. Draft strategy is terrible. The free agent strategy of 2007 was terrible. I love hearing all this talk about how the talent is there. I’ll be quick to say that this talent is marginal at best. Even at best, the talent level at impact positions is very poor – quarterback, tackle, safety, defensive end… notice that WR and RB depend on the success of both the OL and QB.
I actually think Jauron is a smart guy who lacks a blue-collar lunch pail demeanor in commanding his team. I like the guy, I just think he lacks that spark. However, this team’s true backbreaker is the fact that it doesn’t draft well at all. For years we’ve been asking ourselves “Wow, Whitner that high?” and “Wow, McKelvin dropped to us? I wonder why…” and “Why not a left tackle?” and “another DB? Dick has gone mad…”
The best draft choice of the past decade was an undrafted tight end that we converted to a left tackle.
by Kooz on Oct 5, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Umm
regarding your draft analysis…
Parrish is the best punt returner in the league (and his TDs have contributed heavily to past Bills wins).
Whitner has shown how valuable he is when not on the field (and it’s easy to say they should have taken Cutler or Ngata now).
McKelvin has had plenty of impact
Nelson caught a TD against the Pats. You can see it on the latest NFL Redzone commercial.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 5, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
roscoe wasn’t drafted as a punt returner. he isn’t paid millions to be a punt returner. whitner, while he shows that his loss is key, has also shown in the past to be grossly out of position and to have inadequate speed. mckelvin has been routinely burned by experienced WR, and nelson has played all of 2 or 3 games. get over it.
by quantumuprising on Oct 5, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so parrish is paid millions to catch 5 passes a game? sorry I dont think so. he was paid millions causes hes the best returner in the league.
by billsstein on Oct 5, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DJs not the only one at fault...
but I find it hard to blame the way that we’ve drafted. You can’t look back and see who we could have taken. That’s a game that every team loses. I look at that draft and say we did a pretty good job. Parrish, best PR ave in leage history, Everett’s story playing in the NFL was never finished so that’s hard to speak on.
Whitner is better than people here seem to give him credit for (ie did anyone notice how poor our safety play was yesterday?), Kyle Williams, Brad Butler and Ellison are 3 of our best players and would be so on any team. This o-line collapse began when Butler’s season ended.
Lynch and Poz as you noted are great players.
Any picks after that point you cannot ignore have showed promise and are still too early to rule on.
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by willgarr15 on Oct 5, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like Necci pointed out, 2005 was a Donahoe draft (and I think the year that we scooped up Peters after the draft).
Jauron has probably been the biggest voice on draft day. So if you’ve got a problem with the drafts, especially the early rounds, then your problem should be with DJ more than guys like Modrak. When you consistently find good players in the later rounds, your scouting department is doing a good job.
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by kaisertown on Oct 5, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Darryl Talley
sure thinks it’s time for some changes.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 5, 2009 8:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Who doesn't?
The Dick Jauron version of the K-Gun...the Squirt Gun.
by ChipShot on Oct 5, 2009 8:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no more excuses
after 3 seasons of nothing but heartache and this year starting maybe worse who here actually thinks jauron is all of a sudden gonna start beating the better teams and coaches of the league? we are 0-8 in division games and cant even think about making the playoffs with that kind of record. sometimes i think other teams are silently laughing at jauron.hes the exact opposite of tom brady….he always finds a way to lose! the off-season chatter of how well we’re suppose to do is the most exciting part of the past 3 years!!
how much longer will the abuse last?
by buffalo bennie28 on Oct 5, 2009 8:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
trent needs an offensive line and a coach. i still believe in trent..hes been accurate, and hes playing behind a terrible o.l……that said if we continue to look this bad he’ll be starting somewhere else and i believe he can still be successful
how much longer will the abuse last?
by buffalo bennie28 on Oct 5, 2009 8:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He has not been accurate. Even the TD yesterday was thrown behind Reed. He overthrew Owens once and even some ball T.O. caught he had to jump three feet in the air to get his hands on.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 5, 2009 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don’t know what you’re talking about; he was incredibly accurate yesterday.
he hit three guys in white jerseys right in the chest!
by quantumuprising on Oct 5, 2009 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I think those passes were a bit off mark too.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 5, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brian I agree
with your write up. A veteran head coach isn’t going to come to this team mid season, so the thought of turning this season around with a new coach outside of our existing staff isn’t going to happen. But to me, what the firing of Jauron would do is GUARANTEE he won’t be back next year.
I think the biggest fear Bills fans have is him going on a run or finishing the year strong, going 8-8 and coming back. But it won’t be him like you said above in your write up, it will be the players that turn this season into a positive. But could Jauron get the credit is the question ? Therefor I don’t want to take that chance, I would prefer he go NOW.
by Buffalonian on Oct 5, 2009 8:54 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
But to me, what the firing of Jauron would do is GUARANTEE he won’t be back next year.
If the team keeps playing the way they’ve played, I sincerely doubt you have much to worry about.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 5, 2009 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but if they play better, I do have something to worry about. On August 8th I sat down and spent a considerable amount of time deciding what our record would be. Here it is. I’m nervous that if something close to this scenario plays out he could be retained.
Pats – L Browns – W Titans – L Chiefs – W
Bucs – W Jets – W Jags – W Pats – L
Saints- L Panthers – L Miami – W Falcons – L
Miami – L Texans – W Jets – W Colts – L
by Buffalonian on Oct 5, 2009 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh, whoa. There ain’t no way in hell we’re beating the Jets twice. I’d give serious thought to taking Ws away from Houston, Jacksonville, too.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 5, 2009 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
at this point its looking like we could legitimately go 3-13.
by quantumuprising on Oct 5, 2009 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Finally!
3-13 is good for us. That’s a top five pick! No more picks 10-15!
by Kooz on Oct 5, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah, so we can take another bad pick and pay him way more than he deserves, just to see him leave after four years of squalor.
by quantumuprising on Oct 5, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know. The way this draft is shaping up and for financial reasons, I’d probaly prefer picking in the 5-10 range.
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by kaisertown on Oct 5, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wherever we can get a top QB
I’ll be fine with
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by Kurupt on Oct 5, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What?
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by Kurupt on Oct 5, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol I think he means.......
we reached for a top QB in 2004
LOL.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 5, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
JP losman was a first round pick at 22. We traded up to get him. the qb’s to go ahead of him were manning, rivers, and roflburger. He was in the top 4 scouted qbs, and as a first round pick…he was supposed to be a top qb. how soon we forget.
by quantumuprising on Oct 5, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Losman was considered a top QB coming into the NFL
A project with all the physical talent in the world, yes. But definitely not a top QB…
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by Kurupt on Oct 5, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Losman was a solid prospect, but he was never a part of those top three guys. He was the best QB on the 2nd tier of prospects, just like Edwards. And while it’s too early to figure out how the QBs are going to grade out for this draft, I’m getting pretty tired of taking average prospects and hoping that they wind up being great players, especially at QB.
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by kaisertown on Oct 5, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude even top "prospects" dont always pan out.....
the Class of 04 is freaky…….just like 1983 is also considered one of a kind.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 5, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did anyone see Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, JaMarcus Russell or Drew Bledsoe playing at the weekend. all top prospects coming out of college.
I remember there being big arguements before the draft over who was the better QB, Leaf or Manning.
Drafting QB’s is a 50-50 chance at the best of times
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by gregeng on Oct 5, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Drew Bledsoe is 8th all-time in passing yards and 6th in completions. Why on earth is he lumped in with the other players on your list? I’d be ecstatic to have a young Drew Bledsoe as our QB.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 6, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea, and is he supposed to still be playing at age 37?
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by NJBill on Oct 6, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he is there because
Bledsoe never lived up to the hype that surrounded him before he was drafted, maybe i should have gone with the class of 1983 as mentioned above.
Elway picked first by the Colts, whom he refused to play for, Todd Blackledge at number 7, Jim Kelly at 14 by the Bills, whom he refuse to play for, (and he was our scond first rounder that year, we picked TE Tony Hunter at number 12) Tony Eason at 15 for the Pats, Ken O’Brien for the Jets at number 24 and Dan Marino for the ’phins at number 27.
Not a perfect success rate ven in the legendary draft of 1983
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by gregeng on Oct 7, 2009 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bledsoe took his team to the Super Bowl in New England and as I stated is in the top 15 in several all-time categories. I think he lived up to the hype.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 7, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not that the top guys are sure things, it’s that the guys taken after the first teir and beyond rarely work out. For every QB who isn’t one of the top regarded guys who becomes even an average starter, there are 10 or more who don’t. Sure, it’s a risk grabbing a QB early, but how many good QBs, under the age of 30 weren’t big time prospects who went very high in the draft? It’s pretty much Matt Schaub and the list ends. Unless you want to put Matt Cassel, Kyle Orton, Shaun Hill or our very own Trent Edwards in there. Just the difference between late first round types like Losman and Jason Campbell and the early first rounders is pretty huge. QB is too important for Buffalo to hope that Colt McCoy can get it done.
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by kaisertown on Oct 5, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
yea well our recievers in the first 3 games didnt help, they dropped alot of 3rd down balls, and t.o. dropped a few deep ones this year also. but it doesnt matter, our coach gets out coached every week. every week teams shutdown evans and owens, our best players, and every week we cant stop theres..( p. thomas, moss and welker, and r.brown ) ….thats all coaching!
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by buffalo bennie28 on Oct 5, 2009 9:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Didn't Bill Parcells get hired as GM of Dolphins
with a couple of games left in the season? Didn’t he use that time with the team to evaluate talent and get comfortable with the atmosphere? And didn’t the team then win the division the next year? Isn’t this an instance in which a mid-year change might have been good?
by StroudFanClub on Oct 5, 2009 9:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A) You’re talking about a team President, not a head coach.
B) You’re talking about two games left in the season.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 5, 2009 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s also talking about Bill Parcells.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 5, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
C) Even Parcells let the coach ride out the remainder of the season.
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by kaisertown on Oct 5, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just something to think about...that's all. Not saying it's even the same situation.
by StroudFanClub on Oct 5, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Bills could hire a great GM midseason, I would be all for it. Most of my, “no point in firing Jauron now” argument comes from the need to find a GM first and worry about the coach 2nd. I’d love to get a GM in here as quick as it’s possible.
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by kaisertown on Oct 5, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
D) The Dolphins were 1-10 at the time or something like that. We are at least 7 games form that.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 5, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
John Fox most likely possibility
First off, if Jauron does get fired, all of the aforementioned coaches are not possibilities to coach in Buffalo.
(1.) John Fox is on the hot seat and it is rumored that Bill Cowher, who lives in Raleigh, would take that job since he could still be close to his family. That is the reason he left the Steelers in the first place.
(2.) Tony Dungy is not going to coach again, but instead be involved with various ministries since he is a devout Christian.
(3.) Gruden loves his new gig.
(4.) From everything I have heard, Holmgren wants to stay retired.
(5.) I doubt Shanahan would come to Buffalo, he will have plenty of opportunities to possibly coach Dallas once Wade leaves.
- That leaves John Fox, who interviewed when Gregg Williams gave his 4-hour interview to Ralph.*******
Bills fans – most big name coaches do not want to come to Buffalo, especially with a terrible front office like ours!
by BuffaloWhiner on Oct 5, 2009 9:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I heard that Holmgren
has said that he would come back if he can have and hold the power. If I’m correct DJ was on his Green Bay superbowl staff. Maybe they can work together. He’ll take control and have DJ as his Asst Head Coach.
Fox does not excite me. He is too Brian Billick-like in the sense that he has had a good run, but not much by way of competent consistency.
Too bad about Cowher but it makes sense that Carolina would have appeal to him and it is his type of team, smash mouth. I can get used to Holmgren.
Rumor has it that Dan Snyder has made trips to Denver to woo Shanahan. His plane was seen in a private airfield after the Redskin’s loss to Detroit and the team confirm it was there but they said it was being used by someone not Dan.
by Ono on Oct 5, 2009 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m pretty sure Jason Garrett is the successor to Wade in dallas – since he is getting paid 3$ mil a year or so to be a coordinator.
by quantumuprising on Oct 5, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why a team would fire a guy who went 12-4 last year is beyond me.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 5, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"offensive line's ridiculous inconsistency"
Let’s look at the starters.
Scott: Wasn’t good enough to make the Lions’ roster.
Chambers: Wasn’t good enough to make the Bills’ roster.
Wood, Levitre: Rookies.
Hangartner: Bad back, one hit away from IR.
And speaking of Hangartner, did he have chronic back problems with Carolina? Is that why they let him go? He is certainly a character guy and a gamer, but this is a business.
by Rick A on Oct 5, 2009 9:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m pretty sure that Hang never had any back problems before this season. I think it’s just a minor thing that he is playing through. The kind of injury that only heals with rest, but Hang is getting the opportunity to rest it much.
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by kaisertown on Oct 5, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They let him go because they had 5 quality starters and didn’t want to pay Hang starter money to be a backup.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 5, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
After re-reading your article, I agree with you
I say keep Jauron this year, but demand he committs fully to the rebuild year and maybe try some of these out:
-Steve Johnson, welcome to more playing time. We know what Josh Reed can do, let’s now give Stevie some game reps.
-Get in that starting lineup, Aaron Maybin.
-To make room for Mr Maybin, see what you can get for Schoebel. By the time the Bills are any good, he will def be too old to be apart of it, and he’s good enough to get some picks in return. Wish I could say the same for Kelsay.
-Trent keeps the job, only because we don’t have any good, young options behind him.
-Do we think Marcus Stroud can play into his late 30’s? I do. But if not, do some shopping and see what the market is. (As much as I do love him.)
Any other young guys need to get some game reps? Mind as well committ to rebuilding the team the right way. Enough of the 7-9 seasons and “treading water”. After the season, go out and get the new coach of this team. And he will have some tape on the younger guys to make decisions based on.
by StroudFanClub on Oct 5, 2009 9:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Coaching Change -- Now!
AVP needs complete freedom to run the offense on game days. I think Jauron needs to go and the interim replacement (April???!!!) needs to be told to stay out of AVP’s way. Not great, or even good, but a start.
by BobDH on Oct 5, 2009 9:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Do you think Jauron is handcuffing AVP? I think if AVP had a better idea he would use it to save his job, don’t you?
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 5, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to offer one positive to the first month of this season.
The DL play is improved under Bob Sanders. Not perfect, no. Suceptible to the run, yes. But they’re playing with fire and hustling like I haven’t seen in years.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 5, 2009 9:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agree on hustle, but undersized except for Stroud, LB’s small and ineffective without Poz. There must have been four or five sweeps where the Bills appeared to be in perfect position but couldn’t get off blocks to make tackles or even make contact with the runner. Example: Brown’s last rouchdown.
by Rick A on Oct 5, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm rather upset at the whole TO thing.
Not the signing, not any of the “drama” that his being a member of this team brings. I’m upset at how they’re wasting waht might have been a golden opportunity this year.
Sure he missed much of the preseason because of injury. Sure he’s dropped a fair amount of footballs. But tell me this: how much would he have played if not injured and how much of it would have been with Edwards, who the team felt didn’t need the practice?
It’s like they brought Owens in with no plans for using him in a meaningful way.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 5, 2009 10:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
TO has already done what he was brought in to do.....sell tickets,
Poor ball security leads to very painful outcomes
by Joe P. on Oct 5, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joe you know that's not the whole story.
Jauron wanted him here to help the offense. We were already past 50k season tickets when we signed him.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 5, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I think DJ had visions of a no huddle offense that beat teams over the top (and we have actually seen a good amount of those vertical routes) and then once they had the defense spread out would eat teams up with screens, other underneath stuff and the running game (or vice versa). And somewhere along the way (OL, Trent, OC, who knows) the plan completely fell apart. It actually wasn’t a bad plan and I think DJ and everybody really was confident that this would be a really good offense this season.
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by kaisertown on Oct 5, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kawika Tweet
Ka_Mitchell55 We have to make the necessary moves to get better. Whatever it is.
Obviously he could be talking about literally hundreds of things… but part of me wonder if the fans aren’t the only ones getting impatient.
by Squirmin' Thurman on Oct 5, 2009 10:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Losses impact players’ earnings. I’d hedge a bet that this sword has 2 edges.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 5, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet the players realize
that they’re not being put in the best situation for their success.
by Kooz on Oct 5, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Evans and Owens perhaps? So Marshawn Lynch returns and not once do they line up Fred Jackson in the slot. Why take advantage of a unique situation, right?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 5, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WE NEED TO WATCH FILM, THE NUM# 1 QUOTE OF OUR COACH
WE can talk all we want the BILLS only get BLUE collar guys WHAT kind of crap is this get some players that are beast for the game , this tampa coverage SUCKS BOTTOM LINE I know we can not go and compare back to the heyyy DAYS. WE need the big men up front ALA TED WHASINGTON AND PAT WILLIAMS that free all the line backers beacause you new that they would not RUN IN THE middle. NOW every team just push us like FLABBIE LIQUID YOUGURT MIX WITH SUIRT JELLO . Since we went to that TAMPA crap defence THE BILLS stop been in the top 10 sicnce. DEFENCE WIN games. DONT care how you sugar it it does. I LEFT the game yesterday so sad that us BILLS FANS HAVE TO DEAL WITH this stuff we need to watch films that all the DICK NOWS how to say afther a LOSSS come on men is very old you been watching films for 4 years MEN
by abayarde on Oct 5, 2009 10:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
haha.
sadly, I agree with everything you say. Except… I realize that Jauron tailors it down to the media in order to protect his players. That’s why he’s a player’s coach.
by Kooz on Oct 5, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WATCH FILM DICK RIP
BUT IS the true watch the film first he scrtches his eyes, or his nose when a question is ask and the he says well i dont know the extend of this our that but we need to watch the film who cares the game is loss move on to the next team DICK JAURON RIP
by abayarde on Oct 5, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If these are the types of things that bother you, you need a new hobby. That’s nit-picking to the extreme.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 5, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we will not yield to no one
IS NOT that men but if you have to say the same things over and over beacause you dont have the correct answer . you are saying he has no chance or hope for our team the BILLS and yes when we loose to this type of teams yes i nick and pick at the coach just winn. specially when im at the game defending my team to the end.
by abayarde on Oct 5, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, he says the things he does to protect his coaching staff and his players. If that bothers you or anyone else – particularly the media – I guarantee you he doesn’t care. Media-speak and locker room speak are completely different animals, and should be treated as such.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 5, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish I could agree or disagree but I can’t understand what is being said.
"Next time I get the opportunity I am going to hold on and make a better decision." ~ Leodis McKelvin. (Can't ask for anythitng more than that)
by NolaBillsFan on Oct 5, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yours is a quote I may highly consider for my new signature.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 5, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Abayarde has a great handle on the situation.
Maybe he should replace Jauron?
by StroudFanClub on Oct 5, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But long-term, Bobby April is not the answer, folks, and he wouldn’t be even if he guided the Bills to an unexpectedly strong finish.
care to explain? you just dropped that there with zero follow-up supporting your opinion.
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by dzil on Oct 5, 2009 10:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
or do you honestly believe that ralph is willing to drop a money bag on one of the “big name” HC’s?
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by dzil on Oct 5, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's just saying that he has no head coaching experience and has been a part of the losing culture.
The only thing he’d bring would be a creative spark. Not to mention the fact that he’s never had a big hand in offensive and defensive responsibilities.
Quite frankly, when you’re promoting a special teams coordinator, what does that mean?
by Kooz on Oct 5, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
huh? virtually all HC’s have served as coordinators prior to being HC’s
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by dzil on Oct 5, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes.
but if you can name me one head coach right now that was special teams coordinator prior to being promoted as head coach, I’ll rest my case.
It’s like saying… we’re awesome in special teams! Which… is the third most important part of a football game.
by Kooz on Oct 5, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m pretty sure Mike Tomlin.
However, I don’t think April has what it takes to be a head coach, so the point is still moot.
I remain convinced that somehow Drew Rosenhaus negotiated a playing time deal for Roscoe into the contract for TO.
by thefourwinds on Oct 5, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, Tomlin was a D-Coordinator. John Harbaugh was a special teams coordinator. So was Bill Cowher.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 5, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the info.
In a general sense, though, look at all the excellent o- or d-coordinators who have been horrible head coaches. Gregg Williams, Cam Cameron, Norv Turner, Wade Phillips, etc. Head coach has a different responsibility than the coordinators do.
I remain convinced that somehow Drew Rosenhaus negotiated a playing time deal for Roscoe into the contract for TO.
by thefourwinds on Oct 5, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK
list me some successful coaches that have not served time as coordinators. It sounds like you’re suggesting we hire a HC with no coaching experience.
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by dzil on Oct 5, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brian did above. John Harbaugh and Bill Cowher were both ST coordinators (not OC or DC) before their head coaching gigs.
I remain convinced that somehow Drew Rosenhaus negotiated a playing time deal for Roscoe into the contract for TO.
by thefourwinds on Oct 5, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I’m only suggesting that OC or DC experience does not necessarily make for a better HC.
I remain convinced that somehow Drew Rosenhaus negotiated a playing time deal for Roscoe into the contract for TO.
by thefourwinds on Oct 5, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, actually, Cowher was a D-Coordinator before he became HC. His ST Coordinator time pre-dated DC.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 5, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Mularky! Matt Ryan looks like a champ with Mikey running the offensive show down there.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 5, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn’t it possible that Matt Ryan would look like a champ regardless of who his coordinator is?
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 5, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is possible. Unless he was drafted by the current Buffalo Bills’ regime.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 5, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it possible that Matt Cassell isn't as good as he was with the Patroits?
by StroudFanClub on Oct 5, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
1000000x over. Cassell is nowhere near the same QB he was in NE, confidence-wise and with the talent around him.
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by Kurupt on Oct 5, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reason number 1 million why Bill Belichick is a genious. I wish I hated that man, i really wish I did.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 5, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
genius
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 5, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
all products of the Bellicheat system. The impact of a great HC
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by dzil on Oct 5, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m saying Bobby April is status quo. I love him as a coach, but if he’s our head coach long-term, what has changed? Not enough.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 5, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so, hire a fricking GM already.
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by dzil on Oct 5, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Preaching to the choir.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 5, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Status quo....
exactly what this franchise cherishes.
The continuity garbage will probably creep up a lot again this offseason!
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by Kurupt on Oct 5, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good shout K
lets hire Status Quo to coach the team, they have been successfully mediocre for thirty years
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by gregeng on Oct 5, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It all starts
with hiring a competent GM with authority. don’t hold your breath on that happening. thoughts of finishing the season with dick because we then are going to hire a premier HC is beyond fantasy and fully delusional.
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by dzil on Oct 5, 2009 10:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Wilson goes in a different direction this time. Outside GM, outside coach. He needed Marv after Donahoe blew this place up. Then again maybe not.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 5, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the way...
I think the time is ripe to fire Jauron. It’s year four. He’s lost 11 of his last 14 games. He’s lost his last 8 division games. I understand that coaches in college can stay if you lose every game except for the one where you beat your rival. But we’re talking not even beating division teams.
It’s not like the team is getting better. I’d argue they’re getting worse. If you’re going to fire the guy, why do it at the end of the year? MONEY you say? ugh… as a fan I really don’t want to go down that road.
by Kooz on Oct 5, 2009 10:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Money
I think we could start a collection to re-coup the money Wilson would lose by firing DJ.
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by NolaBillsFan on Oct 5, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Forget about the contract. It’s essentially meaningless at this point.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 5, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
meaningless
no way is swallowing dj, brandon, assistant coaches contracts meaningless to wilson. the man has been cheap for the entire 50 years. he’s now 91 and one gets cheaper as one ages—you’re kidding yourself if you think he’s blowing 15mm or so now.
by radan on Oct 5, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh, I said “contract,” not “contracts.” Brandon isn’t going anywhere. Assistant coaches make very little – Jauron, too, makes very little. Jauron’s contract is the only one that matters, and like I said, right now, it’s meaningless.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 5, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
do you think brandon should go?
how much longer will the abuse last?
by buffalo bennie28 on Oct 5, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know I don't
He’s a marketing guy….this isn’t his fault.
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by Kurupt on Oct 5, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, this. I have zero issues with Russ Brandon, but starting in, say, July of 2010, I’d like some more distance between his job responsibilities and our football team.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 5, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok. Just don’t forget the single biggest reason we’re saddled with this lame duck mess is wilson is cheap. Otherwise he would have have dumped him last Jan.
by radan on Oct 5, 2009 10:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
That’s your opinion. I don’t think Wilson saw it that way, though I don’t disagree that the contract played some part in his decision.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 5, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re right, it’s my opinion and based on 50 years of watching the man operate.
by radan on Oct 5, 2009 11:01 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
what are russ duties ? i thought he was the closest thing to a gm we had…and since when does a marketing guy have experience on putting together a winner?
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by buffalo bennie28 on Oct 5, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Russ is the COO/GM. He basically oversees the giant group of decision-makers.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 5, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OBD invented their own “manage by consensus” strategy. Saved them having to pay for a real GM. It’s arguably the root cause of the situation the team is now in.
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by dzil on Oct 5, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stop with the whole paying thing. Money wasn’t the issue in that strategy. Wilson putting too much trust in Marv Levy was. Levy preached consensus, Wilson bought into it (and not without reason, btw), and when Levy left, he chose to preserve it. That’s all there is to it
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 5, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree. Levy’s responsible for our lack of front office talent. I think this coo joke was all his idea
by radan on Oct 5, 2009 11:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
well it may have been levys fault, but its on our current personal to realize its not working!!!
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by buffalo bennie28 on Oct 5, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, it wasn’t. It was a position given to Brandon so that he could effectively fill the role Levy held. Nothing changed in our front office outside of Brandon playing Levy’s role when Levy retired. Levy is not responsible – Wilson is.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 5, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think wilson has any confidence in his decision making at this point. He’s afraid of another donahoe scenario. Levy was the only guy he still trusted and our current structure was Levy’s recommendation which wilson accepted. Maybe semantics as certainly the buck—no pun intended, stops with ralph
by radan on Oct 5, 2009 11:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I actually think they’re set up well in that regard. With Brandon in a pretty unique position – and don’t forget Jim Overdorf, either – Wilson can hire a GM from outside the organization to completely control football decisions, but Brandon is still in place to act as a checker/balancer and to provide a liaison between Wilson and the football team. If Wilson wants consensus, he can still get it by bringing in a proven football mind as GM and pairing him in the front office with Brandon and Overdorf. The job responsibilities are much easier to understand, you’re getting outside influence (not to mention a better football mind), and you still maintain some semblance of consensus.
Win-win-win. Sign me up for Eric DeCosta.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 5, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sign me up for Eric DeCosta.
Finally! A name drop!
So easy Marshawn Lynch can do it.
by thatguy34 on Oct 5, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re welcome. That’s the only teaser you’re getting until the change is made. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 5, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’d love to see kirk ferentz coach those young linemen, but he isn’t leaving iowa city.
by LeClaireBill on Oct 5, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup, Ferentz is the only guy in college football who I would even consider as an NFL head coach and he might top my current wishlist of head coaches. It’s too bad he isn’t going anywhere.
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by kaisertown on Oct 5, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so how’d it go? Marv: “I’m the GM now, I’m leaving but you don’t need a GM. Bill Polian was just in the way”
I’m not convinced that money is not Ralph’s first and last consideration.
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by dzil on Oct 5, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No. It went Marv leaves, Ralph reflects on his time, decides that that whole consensus thing has some merit, and decides to go with the status quo to see if Levy was onto something. Why can’t it be that simple? We can’t exactly prove it either way…
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 5, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
new coach with new attitude plus a few wins makes nobody care whos in the front office!
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by buffalo bennie28 on Oct 5, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but a new coach will be hamstrung without a competent GM
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by dzil on Oct 5, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
is there anyway to just start the whole nfl over and have a fantasy draft like in madden lol…
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by buffalo bennie28 on Oct 5, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Bills had the highest payroll in the league in the early 90s.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 5, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good article Brian
I agree
Jauron isn’t going anywhere for a while. No matter how much I, and any other Bills fan, want him gone, it just won’t be done at this point. This team has been going nowhere for some time, so simply dumping him and promoting a coordinator won’t solve anything. And there is less than a zero percent chance any outside could or would come in.
It all boils down to having a GM, one that is actually a football guy and can vastly improve the personnel on this team.
I hate the hopelessness of this team. Besides the front office and coaching staff issues, there’s just not nearly enough talent on this team. There are so many holes (QB, LT, WR, DE, 2-3 LB’s, etc) that will need to be filled before next season. Unless we somehow stumble onto some major improvements at those positions, we’re going to be continuing this long string of losing.
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by Kurupt on Oct 5, 2009 10:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Brian’s set-up piece is exactly right. There’s no sense in hoping for a new HC now, and besides what the Bills need first is a really top-notch GM. However, the question remains of whether Ralph will spring for both a high-quality GM And a high-quality HC. Given his history, I’m not sure he will. Some might suggest a combined GM/HC, but that doesn’t usually work out well (see Shanahan, Mike; Denver)
One person to keep an eye on in all of this is Mike Sherman, the fomer Packers HC who was runner-up to take over the Bills the year Jauron was chosen. Sherman is currently the HC at Texas A&M, where he is not doing that well (he has trouble recruiting high school students to come to his program — a weakness that would not be relevant to coaching the Bills). As an NFL HC he has a strong winning record (about 70% of the games in which he has been the HC, compared to 30% losses), and his background is in offense. Ralph was said to favor him last time, but Marv Levy talked Wilson into hiring Jauron instead. Don’t be surprised if his name starts popping up again now that we are back in the market.
by Macktruck on Oct 5, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sherman’s career record is 59-43, a winning percentage of roughly 58%.
I feel like he’s just another retread. Although this one has had actual success at the NFL level….
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by Kurupt on Oct 5, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the correction. That’s still a pretty good record. My point, though, is that he is the one Ralph Wilson wanted to hire last time, so we should keep our eyes on him. I, for one, would like to learn more about him if he does emerge as a serious contender.
by Macktruck on Oct 5, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
58% is about 9.25 wins per season. Even with Brett Favre, that’s really solid.
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by kaisertown on Oct 5, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It also includes the 4-12 meltdown that resulted in his firing....
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by Kurupt on Oct 5, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But was the meltdown his fault? As I recall (I could be wrong) it happened because the new GM traded away a lot of his talent in an effort to rebuild the team from the bottom up. Sherman disagreed with those moves and was canned the next year. Had the Packers done what Sherman wanted they likely would have had another winning season (which would have raised his winning percentage even higher).
by Macktruck on Oct 5, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
I just mentioned that because it makes his 9.25 wins look better since a 4 win season was included…..
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by Kurupt on Oct 6, 2009 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I said something about mike sherman last week and people shot it down….we should have hired him or jiim fassel
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by Moe_frm_B_ on Oct 5, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was screaming for the Bills to hire Sherman over DJ. I was clinically depressed for 3 weeks afterward.
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by NJBill on Oct 6, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are so many holes (QB, LT, WR, DE, 2-3 LB’s, etc) that will need to be filled before next season.
I know you are apprehensive about Bell but they need 2-3 LBs? Poz and Mitchell aren’t cutting it for you?
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 5, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mitchell is mediocre and Poz is way too big of a question mark. Even beyond them, it’s time we got a quality backup at some point too.
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by Kurupt on Oct 5, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No arguments from me. I like Poz when he’s on the field. That being the key.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 5, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i just hope we do whatever we gotta do to turn the bills around, last year i thought the toronto thing wasnt a big deal. but if we keep losing, and ralph being 91, i now fear losing our team all together..
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by buffalo bennie28 on Oct 5, 2009 11:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Toronto thing helps the Bills stay in Buffalo. I don’t get how the two thoughts are related.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 5, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You make good points and are likely correct in assessing the short term future. The time to have addressed this was the end of last season. The fact that Wilson extended speaks volumes. So, what would 3 more losses do to change his mind? Only he knows his mottivation for extending because it is lost on the rest of us. The only rational explanation is his wallet. Unfortunately, we are at the point where it will be difficlt to attract any reasonable coaching talent. They can put 2+2 together. The end of last season was a crossroads. Sadly, it was a critical juncture and the owner took the wrong tact. I fear it was a one-way road to oblivion and we can’t (and Wilson won’t) go back and make the right choice.
by fansince60 on Oct 5, 2009 11:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Shouldn't fire a coach after week 4, but later???
There is merit in bring in a new HC if you plan on keeping your GM (or pseudo GM). If it’s a total housecleaning then it is best to wait until the end of the season. What happens or doesn’t happen will foreshadow which way Wilson is leaning.
If Wilson wants to keep Brandon, then we could very well see a new coach by week 9 (my prediction) depending on how the Bills play. A strong coach, with good player evaluation skills would enable Brandon to focus on the business and marketing side of the FO. Overdorf, Guy and Modrak would have to acquiesce to the new HC, but otherwise could keep their responsibilities in the short term. However, I haven’t been terribly impressed with the player evaluation skills of this brain-trust so I’d hope the new HC would bring in some fresh minds. Under this scenario, the new HC could begin the rebuilding/retooling process now, by better evaluating the team and planning for next year.
Even though the ST unit has had its share of problems this year, I like Bobby April and don’t want to see him as interim coach. I’m not sold on him as a HC and I wouldn’t want to see him walk or be fired at seasons end…which is likely if he assumes a greater role.
I hope I’m wrong, but I don’t believe that we will never see a high profile coach in Buffalo, especially one that wants complete control, but there are some experienced coaches available with a proven track record.
Again, if there is only going to be a HC change at seasons end, then it’s better to do it now. If not, then it would be best for DJ to spin losses until seasons end before calling in the bouncer.
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by NJBill on Oct 5, 2009 11:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Again
No team is finding a new HC in the middle of the season. There are way too many factors involved in a coaching hire (GM situation, Rooney Rule, coach’s W/L record being impacted, economics, the timeframe, coach looking for more than one offer, etc, etc, etc) for anyone worth a crap to be brought in mid-season.
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by Kurupt on Oct 5, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I commented on the GM aspect, but you’re right about the Rooney rule; it’s a big barrier to making a mid season move…that is unless they hire Herm Edwards. Geez, another former DB as coach? I’ll still stand by my prediction: 2-7 by week 9 and Jauron will be fly fishing somewhere.
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by NJBill on Oct 5, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ewww… Edwards.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 5, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry I even mentioned the name, just wanted to provide an example. Kinda makes you think though, would you feel any better if this team was where it is today and had a demonstrative guy like Edwards chewing up the sidelines? Would we be pining for someone stoic?
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by NJBill on Oct 5, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There’s been some mention of a new GM, but I’m surprised there hasn’t been more. I think it was Jason from Ohio who mentioned it at some point yesterday. But the order of hiring has to go GM and then HC. If the Bills are bringing in somebody new to run the show, then they’ve got to let him pick the next head coach and find a staff that uses his philosophy and runs his schemes.
Brian’s mention of DeCosta would be a dream come true. That draft philosophy and style of offensive and defensive football is exactly what Bills fans want (He’s a Baltimore guy). I know things didn’t work out for Ralph with the whole Donahoe thing, but I’d rather have a strong GM go out and find a coordinator with HC potential that he can work with then hire somebody like Cowher and hand over all personel stuff to him. I’m hoping for a Regier/Ruff type relationship and not one guy who coaches the team and has total power over everything.
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by kaisertown on Oct 5, 2009 12:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The difference with Donahoe is he was hired to be team president. Ralph essentially gave him all the power on player decisions. If a new GM were to come in and Brandon sticks around in his go-between capacity, I think it’s a win-win. Bills get their football guy and Wilson keeps his ears on the inside with Brandon.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 5, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why anyone is shocked and suprise about how this season has turned out is BEYOND ME
I know Im not shocked in the slightest………
Jauron is exactly who we thought he was……
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by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 5, 2009 12:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
are you Denny Green !!!
you are right in the fact that Jauron is a mediocre coach at best. He does not ahve the capability of elevating his teams play in big situations. He was a good coach for the situation the team was in 3-4 years ago but he will never take this team to the playoffs.
Getting rid of Jauron now will do no good, he should be gone the day after the last game and the hunt for a new HC and GM on the football side should begin.
by gatornation on Oct 5, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just like Langston Walker
I believe Dick Jauron’s talent has regressed. (and that’s not saying much)
He is not getting the best out of the talent he has. Some could argue, he is actually making them worse.
The sooner the better, for the players sake.
by Slick Shifty on Oct 5, 2009 12:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
watch Trent's post-game interview
He say’s “like coach always says, don’t come with questions, come with answers”. Makes me want to pull my freaking hair out! Isn’t it the coaches job to have the damn answers? if not, then what the hell is he there for? Not only does OBD manage by consensus, but it appears that Jauron coaches by consensus.
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by dzil on Oct 5, 2009 12:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
or maybe that was Sanchez’ post-game interview, lol.
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by dzil on Oct 5, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lately
It’s like Uncle Rico is QB’ing this team.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 5, 2009 1:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah but he can throw it over a mountain........
and apparently all Trent can do it throw it to the video camera.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 5, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've argued in the past
to stay the course… Not anymore.. And I will vehemently, but respectfully :-), disagree with the idea of sticking it out with Dick… He’s gotta go, and now is as good as any time….
The argument that no one as of now, would take the job shouldn’t matter, you appoint an interim….
The Rooney Rule? Perfect time to skirt it in fact, by either appointing Fewell as interim, or keep him on staff to interview in the future for the long term job… Do we want him as HC Prolly not, but he’d certainly do no worse than the “weeny” has….
Bills fans, and I’m sure Mr Wilson as well, are tired of “bending over” to please Dick… No pun intended…. “SIr!!! May I have another??” !!!!!!
Some arguments here suggest Dick move up to the front office… I would suggest the Letterman show… Look.. Yes, there have been a couple decent early picks in the draft, but as others point out, the success of the later rds of the draft shows us it’s the staff, not DJ doing the “great” job in that dept….
by Cinga on Oct 5, 2009 2:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
OK, I'm convinced
I still stick with my points from last night, but you’re article’s points outweighed my logic.
I didn’t consider the Rooney rule.
And we need to change up front (GM) first. The advantages of hiring a HC mid-season would be outweighed by the disadvantages of hiring the HC before the GM.
by Der Jaeger on Oct 5, 2009 2:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Won't happen, but should it
am not going to argue with you Brian, because I am convinced that Dick Jauron WILL NOT be fired until after the season. As you have mentioned and K added, it is nearly impossible to replace him mid-season. Much like it is nearly impossible to fire an offensive coordinator a week before the season, or release your starting left tackle before the first regular season game… But I digress. Suffice it to say, we are stuck with Jauron whether we like it or not.
Having said that, the question is SHOULD Jauron be let go? I will fervently support this. I have never been a “Jauron-hater” and still don’t consider myself one. But here are a couple of my points.
Bottom Line – Jauron simply has not won in Buffalo, two subpar seasons, and a current 3-11 streak is not getting it done. He also has not won against divisional opponents and has not shown the ability to beat “good” NFL teams. Furthermore, by his own admission this is the most talented team he had has in his tenure. If the most talented team he has had is capable of losing horrendously to a 0-3 team, that speaks volumes
He has been given his opportunity – Jauron has “his” players, his coordinators, and little mettling from upper management. He has made his bed and he deserves to lie in it.
Lame Duck – What does keeping Jauron around for the rest of the year accomplish? The ONLY reason I can come up with is that it saves the Bills financially. Obviously Jauron’s contract is guaranteed, so they would have to “double-up” to bring somebody else in. But let’s be honest, Jauron’s derrier is just keeping the seat warm for the next guy, whomever that may be.
Audition – Why not let a coordinator sell his wares? Let Bobby April show what he can do. It cannot be much worse than Jauron. It allows OBD to evaluate potential in a coordinator whom has shown potential. If anything, it rewards April for his hard work on Special Teams the last few years.
Motivation – Most importantly. By letting Jauron go OBD has stated, if you don’t produce you are gone. This is why Walker is no longer with the team, same goes for Schonert (although slightly different circumstances). If these guys were made to pay for their poor performance, why shouldn’t Jauron fall the same fate. If ANY of us in our jobs (other than government or union jobs – there is my jab) does not perform up to a reasonable expectation level, we get let go. Now add onto that, he has been give multiple opportunities to redeem himself, but to no avail. I really think keeping him around speaks to the fact that OBD is accepting of poor behavior. And yes, I truly mean that, if nothing else it could easily be construed as such. If anything letting him go, sends a message to the current players… Produce or else.
Fan Appeasement - OK, placating the fans does mean “something”, after all, the Bills exist because of us.
Again, I am not arguing that replacing Jauron currently is practical. Just that keeping a lame duck around doesn’t work towards solving the problem. And no, I don’t think replacing him “solves” the problem, it just shifts the paradigm a lttle. Bringing in a GM would really be the step in the right direction, I can’t argue that.
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by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 5, 2009 3:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jason, I like your reasoning. And although I would prefer the impossible (bring in a coach mid-year), I’m warming up to the idea of Bobby April as interim coach. I don’t want to lose the guy, but he might get swept out with the trash with a new regime anyway. Why not give him a chance? Perhaps he could pull off a Mike Singletary type of turnaround. For most of last year, the 49ers sucked worse that the Bills and then Singletary took over as interim coach. He went 5-4 the rest of the way, worked himself into a full-time gig and now has his team sitting atop the NFC West.
Bobby is a fiery guy and good motivator. He’s already the assistant head coach, whatever that means. I presume he’s like the runner up in a beauty pageant that takes over when the winners nude photos appear in Playboy. Scary analogy but please Ralph give the man the tiara.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
by NJBill on Oct 5, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
cleveland game
everyone keeps saying that jauron isn’t going anywhere but i couldn’t see him sticking around passed this week if they lose to cleveland.
by LIBi on Oct 5, 2009 4:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately, I disagree… He is here to stay, at the very least until the bye week, most likely (90% odds) to the end of this miserable season.
Wish I had a more positive spin to put on it.
"You play to win the game, you don't play to just play it" - Herm Edwards
by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 5, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of odds...
It’s over a week old (and before the Miami game), but here are some relevant odds from BetUS.com. I can’t believe that people bet on this stuff.
The Next NFL Head Coach to be fired:
Dick Jauron 3/1
Jack Del Rio 7/2
Jim Zorn 4/1
Wade Phillips 9/2
John Fox 11/2
Tom Cable 6/1
Marvin Lewis 6/1
Gary Kubiak 7/1
Brad Childress 8/1
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
by NJBill on Oct 5, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting list
I actually like Del RIo… We need someone with an “attitude”… with a possible for Fox and Lewis (though he may be too “nice”)…
by Cinga on Oct 5, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A Lemon
This team reminds me of the car I currently own.
First it was the turbo. Then it was the transmission. Then it was the engine due to the transmission. You get the point?
At a certain point, you have to stop pointing at each unit and start looking at the guy who sold you the car.
by kgun201 on Oct 5, 2009 5:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the turbo is something you added though right?
or did it come stock?
"In every adversity there lies the seed of an equivalent advantage. In every defeat is a lesson showing you how to win the victory next time." (Robert Collier)
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 5, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and is it possible that the turbo caused the tranny to go bad, then the engine?
If so, then thats all your doing man
"In every adversity there lies the seed of an equivalent advantage. In every defeat is a lesson showing you how to win the victory next time." (Robert Collier)
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 5, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they are a new parts, essentially rookies, you need to just give them more time, it will get better. when life hands you lemons…. do a shot of tequila.
most of my posts get deleted :(
by dzil on Oct 5, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
most of the parts wouldn’t pass quality control…their sole function is to cause other good parts to fail.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
by NJBill on Oct 5, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do like your update to the old lemon adage…where’s my saltshaker?
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
by NJBill on Oct 5, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2005 Subaru Outback XT
Turbo is stock.
But my point is, when the term “if it’s not this thing it’s another thing” applies, you have to stop looking at each problem as an isolated issue, and start to look at it systemically.
There is a laundry list of things wrong with this team, and each of them can be explained away. Youth, injuries, bad luck, etc., etc. But if you do so, you tend to forget that everyone has those issues and yet everyone is not stuck on the side of the road.
The difference between an excuse and a reason is FREQUENCY.
To put it in other terms, if you are late for work everyday, don’t bother calling in on the day you get stuck in traffic.
by kgun201 on Oct 5, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you on this
Especially since you didn’t mix your metaphors.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
by NJBill on Oct 5, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
NJ
another bills fan from NJ like myself… which leads to the obvious question… why?
i’ve been a bills fan for 20 years, and i have absolutely zero connection to the city of buffalo. which basically means that I am the biggest sucker for abuse.
so what’s your excuse? lol
by kgun201 on Oct 6, 2009 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kgun
I had no choice. I was born and raised in Buffalo and saw my first game at the Rockpile. OJ lived in my neighborhood and would frequent the grocery store I worked at as a kid. Although I’ve moved out of area 25 years ago, I have lived in or spent significant time in all of the AFC East towns (including Indianapolis before realignment).
Although I want my kids to be Bills fans, I am not pushing it on them, especially living in the NY metro area. The fact that the team has sucked their entire lives doesn’t help the cause. In fact, they think that my behavior is completely irrational…a point I can’t, or shouldn’t argue.
The only people crazier are me are fans like yourself, who have adopted the Bills. But I can understand it…what’s not to love about the concept of a small market team with a passionate fan base, perpetually underdogs, competing on the same stage as the big boys. It would be better if we didn’t routinely get trampled on Sunday.
You may not have been around then, but this current hopeless situation surrounding the team, feels the same as it did as other points in the past. The late 70’s and mid-80’s come to mind. I don’t include the early 2000’s because, the last 9 years have basically been the same suckathon.
But keep the faith, it will get better.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
by NJBill on Oct 6, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am old enough to remember I would pace the floor and get so upset that I would shut the game off. Then in a few minutes i would turn it back on over and over. It was then the team became famous for the run to the buses or, say they were hurt to get a head start to next year. At least i do not see that YET.
buffalo was my home black rock my neighborhhod
by crazyoldmen on Oct 6, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m of the same belief as Brian on this – now is not the time to get rid of DJ. And I also completely agree the first thing that needs to be changed is bringing in a “football” guy to oversee, well…football.
Who would initiate this? Ralph? It would have to be. I can’t imagine this inner circle would vote to bring in someone who undermines their authority. Who would oversee the search process? No offense to Ralph, but I can’t figure that he’s in tune with some of the younger front office prospects in the league.
Would there be any sort of penalty (draft picks) for snatching a GM-like person from another organization now? I can’t recall the last time I saw something like that.
by krytime on Oct 5, 2009 6:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
“hello, marv? this is ralph. umm, what should i do now?”
most of my posts get deleted :(
by dzil on Oct 5, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would cry
or something
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Oct 5, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am so excited. I just Tivo’ed the 2010 NFL draft! Awesome to be a Bills fan!
Seriously, I would love to see the Panthers continue to lose and Fox becomes available…..
by GKID on Oct 5, 2009 8:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
it is time! If we lose at Cleveland and Jauron is still here that is a clear indication the the upper tier does not care( I do not think they do) about anything to do with the team. That said , who in their right mind would come here except another newbie couch wanna be.
buffalo was my home black rock my neighborhhod
by crazyoldmen on Oct 6, 2009 2:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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