Dolphins 38, Bills 10: Week 4 Film Session
This post is your weekly obligatory look back at the Buffalo Bills' most recent game on film - in this week's case, their 38-10 Week 4 loss to the Miami Dolphins.
I hope you'll forgive me the fact that I couldn't stomach much of this game on the re-watch. My sincerest apologies, but I had a delicious dinner last night, and didn't want to lose it. After the jump, our film session touches on as many areas as I could get through before my upchuck reflex activated.
On Trent Edwards
First thing's first - I think it's notable to point out that the guy can't throw slants. We've been calling for Alex Van Pelt to dial up more slants, posts, et al to get Lee Evans and Terrell Owens more involved in the intermediate game. But in consecutive weeks, Edwards has been picked off while trying to throw a slant to Owens. Against New Orleans, the corner got the jump, tipped the pass, and it was picked off. Last week, DB Will Allen beat Owens to the spot thanks to a massively obvious telegraph on Edwards' part. I can't begin to tell you why Trent struggles to hit those throws - locking onto his target is a good start - but maybe AVP isn't dialing those plays up because Edwards simply can't hit them.
One other thing about Edwards: CBS' commentators pointed this out, and it's true - Edwards whips through his progressions faster than any quarterback I've ever seen. On probably a half-dozen plays (again, I didn't get through all of this game on the re-watch), Edwards took the snap, whipped through his top four reads in about a second and a half, and then was either sacked, froze, or checked down to a covered running back. Trent needs to be more patient in the pocket - which is difficult to ask him to do, I realize, because his offensive line was putrid. Speaking of which...
On the offensive line
We saw about what we've seen early this season out of the interior line trio of Andy Levitre, Geoff Hangartner and Eric Wood - flashes of brilliance, plenty of issues, lots of inconsistency. They, at least, continue to get incrementally better.
I thought Jonathan Scott was passable at left tackle for much of this game as well. Yeah, he got beat, but he also had some plays where he stoned Miami blitzes. He played about as well as you'd expect him to, and it wasn't all bad - though he was terrible in the fourth quarter. Not sure what happened there, but he got super sloppy in the final period. Kirk Chambers? I don't really have words. It was Week 1 of 2008 when Chambers was playing well against Patrick Kerney in a win over Seattle. I'm fairly certain that my 5'11", 185-pound frame and 7.4-second 40 could have beaten Chambers on Sunday. He was beyond awful.
In short, this line will be fine so long as Demetrius Bell stays healthy and Scott can play RT. He ain't great, but he's passable.
On Marshawn and Freddie
Fred Jackson really, really outplayed Marshawn Lynch in this one. Marshawn wasn't bad as he returned from his three-game suspension, but he wasn't at Jackson level yet, either. Lynch showed some of his speed - speed that Jackson lacks, by the way - when he took screen passes and hit seams for moderate gains. But boy, he looked out of sync running behind Buffalo's O-Line. Jackson has about a month of extra work getting used to the blocking styles of the young guys up front, and it showed Sunday: Jackson rushed for nearly 5 yards per carry, while Lynch managed 4 yards on 8 carries. Ouch.
One interesting wrinkle that Van Pelt threw into his game plan was having Lynch and Jackson on the field at the same time - as blockers. We hadn't seen this formation all season, but in several shotgun sets on Sunday, Edwards was flanked to either side by Jackson and Lynch. Clearly, Van Pelt wanted competent blockers to help out his tackles, and that's what Lynch and Jackson spent their time doing out of this set - chipping, releasing and becoming Trent's check-down option. It didn't work out particularly well, but it's something to keep an eye out for, because obviously Lynch and Jackson are both dangerous receiving options, as well as capable blockers.
On the D-Line (with a little LB, too)
I really like the way these guys rush the passer. No, they're not dominant doing so, but they're a right sight better than they've been in recent seasons. The ends are all finally - mercifully - flashing the ability to counter move and finish plays; Aaron Schobel's sack came on a nifty spin move on Jake Long that got him to Chad Henne when Henne stepped up into the pocket.
But Miami clearly took advantage of their aggressiveness, and not just by rushing for 250 yards (and chalk most of that yardage up to beyond-awful linebacker play, by the way). In the second half, Miami twice ran screen passes that burned crashing ends; Kelsay was burned twice. Whether it was Ricky Williams or Anthony Fasano - both burned Kelsay - they'd feign pass blocking, let Kelsay slip by them, and turn around and catch a dump-off from Henne. Both times, Kelsay was forced to chase down the play from behind, and looked rather foolish doing so.
Misdirection was a big part of Miami's game plan, as maintaining gap discipline is a huge issue for Buffalo's ends and linebackers. Schobel was burned on a Ten Ginn reverse on which he over-pursued. Brown and Williams used cutback runs to great effect. It could not be more apparent how crucial Paul Posluszny is to Buffalo's run defense, because not only is he tough and capable filling gaps, he's also by far Buffalo's most disciplined player in that department.
On special teams
These guys - with the exception of Brian Moorman, who has once again reached legend/MVP status in this city - are nearly as brutal to watch as the offense and defense. Bobby April's units cut down on the penalties this week, though they weren't completely eradicated. The punt return unit looks fine, but rarely have I seen worse blocking on kick returns - and not all of that is Roscoe Parrish's fault. Likewise, the punt coverage unit continues to do well (mostly because Moorman is awesome), but kickoff coverage was terrible against Miami - there were plenty of blown lane assignments and missed tackles.
Once the strength of this team, special teams are no longer special in Buffalo. The potential is still there to make big plays - we did score a TD on a fake field goal this season, after all - but that's due more to April's creativity than anything else. Too many young guys on these units making too many mistakes - just like everywhere else.
Someday...
- We're going to be able to play a game in which we don't abandon the run, and we'll steamroll whichever team we're facing. Buffalo is still running the football quite well, particularly when Jackson is toting the rock. Give. Him. The. Ball.
- Lee Evans will be able to do anything other than run fly routes. He does that better than most NFL receivers - and he's clearly outstanding at getting his feet inbounds on tough passes - but he's well below average after the catch. When he makes a short catch, that is.
- I'll write a post about how unbelievably important - unbelievable to me, at least - Donte Whitner is to Buffalo's run defense. Like Posluszny, Whitner is remarkably disciplined, and outstanding at reading keys and beating blockers to the back. I'll say it now: in the first three games, Whitner was playing at a Pro Bowl-ish level. Jairus Byrd and George Wilson were OK in Miami, but neither has anywhere close to the run-defense dominance of Whitner. We need him back ASAP.
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Brian Galliford, for having to re-watch that mess.
I missed CBS making that point on Trent’s pocket progressions. Do you think he whips thru his reads b/c he knows in the back of his mind that his O-Line won’t give him that extra second? has to be, right?
I’m certain the line play has at least something to do with it, but Trent looked completely flustered even when he had a pocket to throw from – which, admittedly, wasn’t very often.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 6, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Trent is beginning to resemble Drew Bledsoe when he throws on the run. Not his running, he’s far more fleet of foot, but the way he tosses the pigskin on the move. I can’t, or won’t subject myself to the same abuse as you in reviewing the game, but is there something wrong with his mechanics when he throws on the run?
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Not that I can see. He’s less accurate, obviously, but most quarterbacks are.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 6, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
The breaking point
Good post. This was the first time in Edwards’ stay in Buffalo that I actually lost hope for him. I am not kidding. I have been harboring a huge amount of hope for Trent. I lost enough of that hope after this game that I am now on the bandwagon that wants to use next years’ #1 pick to get a QB (or bring in a GOOD vet.) I didn’t think I would feel like this before the off-season.
No, it wasn’t just this one game, but it turned out to be the straw that broke the camel’s back. Even if he pulls out of the slump this season, it will take a miraculous turnaround for me to ever regain the confidence I so stubbornly held on to for three seasons.
Sweet home Orchard Park.
jb
What about Wilson and Byrd
It seems to me that a decent chunk of our run defense was Scott and Whitner making up for our linebacker’s inadequacies. I don’t think that Byrd and Wilson have developed their run fits properly yet. Do you know how long before Whitner and Scott return? Their return will probably hold our run defense together until Poz cimes back.
About Trent-
It seemed early on that a lot of the problem was him, the line didn’t get super porous until later in the game. Especially in the first half, he had enough time on a few occasions and just plain froze. Was anybody at the game to see whether on those plays if Evans or Owens were open downfield?
About our offense in general –
Until we figure out this passing business – run the ball until you’re not getting 4 yards a pop. Freddie was getting great yardage going right up the middle. Not so much going to the left or right (tackle play?)
Scott will be out longer than Whitner. That’s about the only thing we know.
We ran it well a couple of times on toss sweeps, but in general, were much more successful running in-line.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 6, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
What happened to that guy we drafted this year?
Erin Megan or whatever? For a guy who showed flashes of maybe disrupting a play or two this year I’m not sure he’s even put a hand on a QB during the post game handshake.
They’re still trying to get him in on second-and-long and third down situations. Considering how atrocious our run defense has been, there just haven’t been a lot of those situations in the past two weeks.
But when Maybin has been in, he’s looked pretty unimpressive. He’s just raw. Ideally, he’ll get better as the season progresses – he’s certainly not going to hit the “rookie wall,” considering how little he’s playing.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 6, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Def: The combo of Poz and Whitner being out really shows quite how weak the OLB’s (Ellison and Mitchell) are. Scott seems to be a bigger loss than I anticipated as well. I know we have discussed this at nausium but how much worse can Harris be than Ellison or Mitchell?
Do we know anything about the 3 injuries? Can Poz/Whitner/Scott be back for the Jets?
I know everyone is down…and I am a pessimist by nature so I have taken the sky is falling approach as well…but, I still have a glimmer of hope ONLY if the D is healthy by the Jets game. If and a big If we can beat Cleveland we will play the Jets on a short week (they have Miami on Monday night) and if we are healthy defensively anything is possible. And yes…I am skirting around the real issue which is Trent Edwards because let’s be honest…no one has the answer to that.
Yes, trust me when I say Nic Harris can, and probably would be, much worse than Ellison and certainly Mitchell. He’s nowhere near ready to contribute defensively.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 6, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Well you said the same thing regarding Bell and Walker earlier in the year so you never know. We just let 2 teams run for 200+ yards so to say much worse is a tad extreme.
I'm with you on Harris
But with his size and speed, why not the middle for now… Can’t do any worse than Buggs, and could be alot better…
Yeah, I said the same thing about Bell, and I feel vindicated – Bell has been OK, but he’s a freaking penalty machine.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 6, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
No.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 7, 2009 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Good post as always. Hopefully, D-Bell and Whitner come back this week, and we’ll get Poz back in 2-3 weeks time, because we desperately need those three guys on our team to be effective. Marcus Buggs gets demolished in the running game, not just because of his smallish frame but always because he tends to overrun plays more often than not. I don’t understand why they don’t throw Ellison in the middle and let Nic Harris – a much, much better LB than Buggs already at this point in his career – start at OLB, until we get Poz back.
Kirk Chambers obviously doesn’t belong in the NFL, but this coaching staff is of course known for loving useless football players, so it really couldn’t surprise me.
Jairus Byrd and Wilson did – as pointed out – OK, but they were far from effective. Byrd looked lost in coverage and Wilson lacks a lot in the running game.
by BillsfanfromDenmark on Oct 6, 2009 10:06 AM EDT reply actions
I think you’re being pretty harsh on Chambers considering you expressed surprise (albeit mild surprise) when he was cut. Just like every other Bills fan. He’d been serviceable through the end of 2008; he certainly wasn’t in Miami.
And again – Nic Harris isn’t ready.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 6, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybin
Brian, you didn’t mention Maybin. Was he invisible again? Unless he gets bigger and stronger, or the coaching staff relents and accepts he has a LB’s body, he is not likely to contribute much.
The Dick Jauron version of the K-Gun...the Squirt Gun.
As mentioned above, he’s just not playing much – and when he’s out there, I wouldn’t say he’s overwhelmed, but he’s certainly not effective. Teams have run right at him, too, with much success – which in part explains why he’s still situational. You’ll see him more if the Bills can find a way to play with a lead for once. He saw a lot of field time against TB.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 6, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Brian – I seem to remember that our running game consisted of FAR too many sweeps in that game, which naturally put our weak (at best) tackles at the point of attack. Was that just my imagination, or was it just bad game-planning?
Also, I’m so sorry you had to re-live any part of that catastrophe.
by Posluszny Pollocks on Oct 6, 2009 10:43 AM EDT reply actions
Did Levitre get hurt? McKinney was in at LG for much of the 2nd half, I believe.
Edwards just can’t anticipate any throws. That’s part of the reason why he goes through the progressions so quickly and why he can’t hit anything like slants.
Man do our LB’s stink. The DL is doing them no favors in the running game either.
~K
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I’ll defer to Ron on Levitre, because I didn’t do a lot of tape-watching in the second half.
Mitchell has use as a blitzer, and Ellison is rarely out of position. That’s about the best that you can say for either right now, the way they’re playing.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 6, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Scary to think
how bad Edwards might play once the weather gets chilly.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 6, 2009 11:19 AM EDT reply actions
Wilson was OK in Miami?
I’d say he was downright awful. Byrd was coming up and laying the lumber quite well and made some plays in the passing game. I thought George Wilson was putrid. He was all over the place, and not in a good way. I totally agree with you that it was astounding to see how much we missed, not only Whitner, but Scott as well in run defense. I think those two have been playing so well it was masked the mistakes our linebacking corps has made (especially in the middle) in the last few games. After watching all of those gashing runs, I don’t care if Whitner or Scott ever intercept a pass again. Their play on the run is critical to this defense. That game was embarassing to watch in the 3rd and 4th quarters.
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I don’t think Wilson was as bad as you make him sound, though he certainly wasn’t great, and was the clear weak point of the secondary, two sacks and all. He was about what I expected him to be.
And yeah – we need Whitner back moreso than Scott, because I think Byrd can play. He made a heck of a play on a ball in the end zone that he got two hands on and could have picked.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 6, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
The two sacks were on the coaches. John Wendling could have sacked Henne on those plays. He was terrible blocking, and was very lucky not to get a couple up personal fouls on the day. I agree that Byrd can play and that makes it ok that we only have 1 safety out for now, but Wilson was brutal IMO so we can just agree to disagree on that one.
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I have always been hopeful that Edwards could be a good QB, I wasn’t fully lost on Edwards until I read how bad he is on slant routes, that right there cuts down on how useful TO is and any receiver in this league… Suppose I should start to watch the QB in college football now
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Suppose I should start to watch the QB in college football now
Or just read our Thursday stock watch posts. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 6, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
No Doubt it is a Big Loss. We are 1 -3 going forward.
We are going forward from here, no proof yet of going backwards. We have our third out of seven home game coming this weekend. We are 1-1 at home, 0-2 on the road. Alot of comments on the defense, it would be nice if we could keep them off the field. Boy do we miss Derrick Schouman and Brad Butler. Losing Schouman is like losing our sixth offensive Lineman. Losing Butler was like losing our 1st offensive lineman.
I expected Lynch and Jackson to be in the backfield helping to protect Trent. Swapping Scott and Inserting Chambers didn’t go to well. Even if Bell comes back this week we can expect to see more of this but hopefully it may loosen one of them up a little more to get down field. Derrick Fine and Shawn Nelson didn’t have an impact in this game at all.
Some how we need to keep our defense off the field. We are wearing these guys out. We really only have three DT’s, our LB’s are pulling double duty in role responsibilities trying to compensate for the loss of POZ . Lets face it Henne made our secondary look average. They cover the receiver and pay little attention to the QB. So much attention is given to preventing the big play that teams can nickle and dime there way down the field and move the chains. They don’t anticipate or break coverage, almost like they are in prevent mode all game. Seems like our sceme is messed up or our players aren’t sceme quality. How many times have we seen McGee with his back to the QB covering the WR. Everytime after ten yards.
Hard to get a handle on things here. We are just so weak in our depth, ie DT, LB, OL, and QB. We need to win Sunday at home. We need players to get healthy and healthy players to contribute more. But first we need to get the offense in gear even if it is a slow moving process going forward. Keep the defense off the field more, control the ball at the line of scrimmage on offense allowing Trent to manage the game better, looking for one on one match ups etc… Time to move forward, not backwards.
Excuses are a sign of weakness!!!!!!
The No-Huddle
I would really like them to go with situational no-huddle. It’s taking away from their poise… poise counts.
How do you quantify saying that the no-huddle takes away from their poise?
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 6, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Brian, i’ve seen people saying the first thing the bills should do is get rid of the no huddle. Do you think this helps at all? As far as i’ve read, they haven’t worked on using a huddle at all this year.
by quantumuprising on Oct 6, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t get why, personally. Taking away the huddle lets Trent focus in on the defensive personnel. Huddling means he takes his time in the huddle then only gets like 10 seconds at the line to read teh defense. I like it no-huddle. We haven’t had any unintentional delay of game penalites this year or burned timeouts because we couldn’t get the snap off.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 7, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
To Be Honest I was thinking the same thing.
But I can’t make the arguement. I tried to convince myself with the fact that the O-Line being young and somewhat disfunctional lately would do it but I still can’t make the arguement. The one thing that keeps popping into my mind though is the huddle is a more conventional communication tool. Verbally but also from a group, team interactive tool. Still haven’t sold myself yet.
Excuses are a sign of weakness!!!!!!
What poise?
I haven’t seen much poise out of this offense in years…
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They had their moments last season, they put together some nice 4th quarter drives for victories, and that was something I hadn’t seen in a long time.
by TJJ on Oct 6, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Too bad it had to come against theRam, Jags and Raiders! Those are 2 teams the Bills should have beat easily and convincingly.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 6, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t care what the no huddle is or isn’t doing. I want it gone. I think Trent’s too rattled to make informed decisions right now, and much of that is due to the Pop Warner OL they’ve assembled.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 6, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, but have you given any thought to the fact that changing the offense’s philosophy would do MORE harm for our rattled QB than it would help?
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 6, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think that going to huddle would do harm to a rattled QB. I know it’s not changing the TOP as you stated earlier, but it would slow the game down for Trent and the O-line.
by TJJ on Oct 6, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Slow it down? No it wouldn’t. You still have 40 seconds between snaps. Right now, the Bills are routinely getting lined up with about 18 seconds left on the play clock. Trent has 18 seconds to digest, adjust, and snap the ball. If we huddle, that 18 seconds dwindles – and he has to speed up in his pre-snap adjustments.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 6, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
If that is true then why isn’t every team running a no-huddle offense.
by TJJ on Oct 6, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Because some quarterbacks can’t handle the pre-snap communication and getting everybody lined up stuff.
Seriously – Trent can. We’ve had zero delay of games this season. Procedure penalties have been on offensive linemen, whether they moved or if they weren’t lined up on the line. Trent can, and has, handled getting his players into the offense. His problems have NOTHING to do with anything other than the offense just sucking after the snap.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 6, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not fully convinced of that, but I like your columns so I’ll take your word for it. I’d still like to see them run the offense without it though. I don’t think there is a lot of risk going back to the huddle and seeing if the offense is more comfortable with it.
by TJJ on Oct 6, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Right. They ran with a huddle for 3 years before the switch.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 6, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Please don’t take my word on anything just because you like the writing. :P
I’m just calling this one the way I see it.
I don’t think our struggles have anything to do with comfort level with the offense. I just don’t think there’s any inter-player chemistry, the quarterback has stunk with his decision-making, and the O-Line has stunk.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 6, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Can it really get much worse?!?!
~K
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I have given it a good deal of thought, actually. I think it’d do much less damage than changing coaches on him mid-season (which is what so many other people want).
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 6, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t disagree with that – but then again, I’m not ready to fire Jauron yet, either.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 6, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not ready for a Jauron firing either. I like him more than I probably should.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 6, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I can’t quantify it, but I do agree with Sullivan that it is not giving their offense any advantage and I would like them to stop running the no-huddle on every play.
Well, Sullivan says that it gives them no discernible advantage because they run it so slowly, then in the next breath complains about time of possession. Logically, that doesn’t flow. Their TOP sucks because the offense sucks and the defense sucks. Sullivan is reaching there, as he typically does – not that I completely disagree with his idea that the no-huddle should go.
To answer quantumuprising’s question from above – no, I don’t think it helps them to get rid of it. It doesn’t help them to employ it, either. It is what it is – it’s their offensive system. If they run it well, nobody cares if we huddle or not.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 6, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Well said. Pick something and do it well. Schemes and mismatches are important and can give a team an edge, but at it’s core, it is about your guy beating their guy. The Bills seem to be losing their share of individual match-ups. No amount of creative play design can make up for that throughout the entire course of a game.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
I'd like to submit this little nugget:
Pick someone and pick them well.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 6, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Good advice. The opposing teams must salivate at the smorgasbord of choices the Bills offer up in the picking department. Let’s see, should I start with the rookie as an appetizer or go with the cast-off veteran with no playing experience? Perhaps a hobbled starter for dessert. Oh, how about the disgruntled pro-bowler? What, you’re out of that? You gave away your last pro-bowler? I’ll have to settle for skittish QB.
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Great job Brian...
As usual, very keen analysis and insight. I agree with the assessment on Edwards especially, his internal clock is ticking pretty fast and he needs to slow it down and get some better pocket presence, however, if I was in his shoes with those tackles blocking for me, I’d be hurrying it too.
Brian
Thank you for recognizing how important Whitner in run defense.
Are we all being unfair in our judgements of Edwards? Would most of his errors and deficiencies disappear if the OL was healthy? I can’t believe how missed D-Bell is when he’s played all of 1.5 NFL games!
Also, I really don’t see how Lynch is any faster than Jackson. Is this proven? I see Lynch get caught from behind more than Jackson. Jackson (in my opinion) seems to leave defenders in the dust, but ultimately gets caught because he’s patiently waiting for his blocks to get set up.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 6, 2009 1:59 PM EDT reply actions
I feel your pain Brian....
That game, like our 4 SB losses, I never want to see again…
To those calling for an end to the no-huddle… Forget the Miami game, for me, the sooner the better… But with Lynch back now, all the “weapons” I think that were intended are available. As Brian points out, the fact Freddie and Marshawn were on the field at the same time in Fla, may be a preview of what we can expect, once Bell is back. But I see one, or both of them splitting out as receivers from the backfield instead of a safety valve…
Think of it… Evans and Owens wide, Reed or Nelson in the slot, with Jackson or Lynch in motion???? The base offense, 2 backs, 2 wide, one TE; could give fits to opposition defenses because of the multiple sets that could be run from it…. And it would be the no-huddle that would stop D substitutions….
Yeah… I may be dreaming… Back to la la land I go….
Think of it… Evans and Owens wide, Reed or Nelson in the slot, with Jackson or Lynch in motion???? The base offense, 2 backs, 2 wide, one TE; could give fits to opposition defenses because of the multiple sets that could be run from it….
The way I see it: all those weapons to play the part of decoy as Edwards checks down again and again. He’d have too many options, I bet.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 6, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
We’ve been saying the same thing all season, minus lynch. Think of all the options! Evans and owens wide, reed or nelson in the slot, jackson in motion!
aaaaaaaaaaaaand here we are anyways.
by quantumuprising on Oct 6, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
If Trent does not have the ability to handle throwing a slant… that doesn’t speak highly of his passing abilities. In order to be successful at that kind of throw, you have to be accurate and have great zip on the ball. Can you improve a QB’s passing accuracy/ arm strength??? Maybe the accuracy can improve. I don’t see how one can increase the zip on the ball though.
I live in Chicago and I’ve seen a lot of bad QBs and I really don’t think that this guy has the mechanics to be a great QB. Even if you had a great line and excellent receivers… I just don’t see the zip on the ball you need when trying to get the ball into a small window.
You can’t blame the OC and HC for Edwards dialing up those checkdown passes. The no huddle offense is suppose to give control to the QB; giving him the responsiblity for making the decisions.
Look Trent is smart. He knows if he’s forced to throw a ball like a slant he’s going to get exposed for the lack of the arm he has. He simply doesn’t have it. If we had a great O-Line he could certainly be a great game manager. He could rely on his teammates to make the offense run and would not throw the costly INTs that could hurt the offense. But is that really ALL you want???
If you think about it, any QB can throw a checkdown. I’d rather at least have a QB who has the ABILITY to throw something else…
I’m sick and tired of watching this guy be our QB. I could really care less how we end up doing this season because in order for us to win, our offense— and specifically— our defense are going to have to play their hearts out to get wins for us.
That’s not how it should be. The QB should be the player that takes his team to its potential, overcoming any of the team’s weaknesses it has. Aaron Rodgers was absolutely amazing in the game on monday. You couldn’t have asked a QB to play any better. He did everything in his ability to take that team to its full potential. That’s how it should be
by flutieflakes007 on Oct 7, 2009 10:05 AM EDT reply actions
I thought Jonathan Scott was passable at left tackle for much of this game as well. Yeah, he got beat, but he also had some plays where he stoned Miami blitzes. He played about as well as you’d expect him to, and it wasn’t all bad – though he was terrible in the fourth quarter.
Scott said postgame he was incredibly fatigued (his word) in the fourth quarter. Explains a lot.
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Oh yeah. I officially saw an Aaron Maybin spin move. Not on the replay but live! It was Wilson’s second sack where he forced the fumble. Maybin started going outside but quick spun inside and was going to get the sack a split second after Wilson. It was amazing.
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Trent Edwards
I’m from the Carribean i join this site cause i’m a hudge bills fan from the 90’s. All i been hearing is fire the coach, which i agree. but all the quaterback bashing, is rediculous. Trent is terrified behind that line. imagine your a quaterback and you get sack a few times, you’ll start making error throws in fear so u won’t get lick again. look at how often he’s been under pressure those tackles especially Chambers are awful.I’ll never leave him to watch my back. I say fix the line, or at least make it some what good. THEN WE CAN ATTACK THE QB. until then pleasssssssssse STOP. i’ve seen what this kid can do when given TIME. With this line he better speed up those reads or he’ll have another CONCUSSION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by TheFranchise242000 on Oct 7, 2009 6:08 PM EDT reply actions

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