Handing out first-quarter grades for the Buffalo Bills
The Buffalo Bills have completed the first quarter of their regular season slate this season, and have done so with a 1-3 record. After a promising start to the season with a surprisingly close loss in New England and a semi-convincing home victory over Tampa Bay, Buffalo has dropped two straight abysmal performances to New Orleans and Miami. The Bills are 0-2 in the division, and are the only AFC East team to not yet pick up a win against a divisional foe. They've scored more points than just two other AFC teams - Oakland (1-3) and Cleveland (0-4). Meanwhile, only Kansas City (0-4), Cleveland and Detroit (1-3) have surrendered more points than the Bills.
In short? It's been pretty brutal.
It's not all bad news, though - Buffalo has four more games on its schedule against teams that have yet to win a single game in the first quarter of the season (Week 5 vs Cleveland, Week 7 at Carolina, Week 10 at Tennessee and Week 14 at Kansas City). So unless the Bills continue to play as they have over the past two weeks (or they can't stay healthy once they get healthy again), there's a chance they could climb back into the race. But only a chance.
We've got grades for you for each positional unit through four games. We also highlight two players that have really stood out, and two more that... haven't. It's all after the jump.
Quarterbacks: C- You can't completely discount Trent Edwards' strong start to the season - through two games, he'd thrown four touchdown passes and sported a QB rating of 104.9. But with his O-Line in a constant state of flux and with his own play slipping to a new level of mediocrity (for him), the position has only barely been passable this season - and it's been ridiculously awful in the past two weeks. Good news, though - Ryan Fitzpatrick has shown a great aptitude in relaying play calls from Alex Van Pelt to Edwards. (Yes, that means I'm saying that the calls to bench Edwards are ridiculous.)
Running Backs: A- There is nothing to not like about Fred Jackson's game. He's still the sixth-leading rusher in the league (333 yards at 4.8 yards per carry) despite the fact that Buffalo has abandoned the running game almost completely in the last two weeks. He continues to lead the Bills in receptions and receiving yardage, too. Fred Jackson is our best player right now, and it's not really close. Marshawn Lynch is back and continues to knock off the rust; we'll see if his presence has any long-term effects on the effectiveness of Jackson. Heck, Xavier Omon looked pretty solid taking spot carries for Jackson in Weeks 1-3, too.
Wide Receivers: D Part of their alarming lack of production has to do with the lack of cohesiveness up front as well as the lack of rhythm in the passing game. Terrell Owens, Lee Evans and Josh Reed have combined for 29 catches, 415 yards and 3 TD through four games. That's about equal to the output of Steve Smith - New York's Steve Smith, not Carolina's Steve Smith - who has 34 catches, 411 yards and 4 TD as a make-shift No. 1 receiver for Eli Manning. If that doesn't speak volumes about how putrid the receivers and the passing attack in general have been, I don't know what does. They only get a D because they can't be completely blamed for their issues.
Tight Ends: D+ Derek Schouman proved himself a valuable, underrated underneath option before landing on IR with a knee injury. Derek Fine has been just as prone to drops as the receivers have been, and while Shawn Nelson has flashed ability (he had a TD reception in Week 1, his first NFL appearance), he hasn't yet asserted himself as a threat in Schouman's stead. Jonathan Stupar? He's human, folks - very, very human.
Offensive Tackles: D Unfortunately for Brad Butler, he gets dragged down by his teammates. Butler was performing well, but he, too, is on IR - his season is over. Demetrius Bell flashed loads of potential and dominance, but he also made tons of mistakes - and then he missed Week 4 with a groin injury. His worth, however, was thrown into perspective when Jonathan Scott and Kirk Chambers resorted to the pirouette pass-blocking technique down in Miami. It didn't work for them. Buffalo has given up 16 sacks already this season, and the vast majority of them are the fault of the tackles.
Offensive Guards/Centers: B- Geoff Hangartner has struggled with a nagging back injury and really awful shotgun snaps, but he's still representative of a massive improvement at center from last year's group. Andy Levitre and Eric Wood, the subjects of much pre-season skepticism, have both made their share of mistakes (many more in the case of Wood), but they've also been dominant at times, particularly in the run game. These guys have proven why they were high-round picks, and there is some hope that they'll turn into dominant offensive linemen sooner rather than later. It's not perfect, but here, at least, there is lots of potential.
Defensive Ends: B It's hard to find reasons to be upset with this group right now; much-maligned for the past two seasons, this group is performing well. With very little statistical input from first-round pick Aaron Maybin, the trio of Aaron Schobel, Chris Kelsay and Ryan Denney have amassed 7 sacks already - well beyond the pace they've set in recent seasons. Yes, they're still susceptible to misdirection plays and lapses against the run, but on a long list of problem areas, this unit is unranked. They're playing well.
Defensive Tackles: C+ This group had a strong start to the season, but they've faded in the last two games as the Bills have given up well over 200 yards rushing per game to opponents. Marcus Stroud has two sacks, while Kyle Williams and Spencer Johnson have both flashed the ability to make plays in the backfield. Williams in particular has been unblockable at times. But they're getting gashed right now - which isn't completely their fault, I realize, but does bring their grade down a touch.
Linebackers: F How's your arm, Paul Posluszny? "Poz" has played roughly two quarters' worth of football this season after breaking his arm in the first half against New England, and Buffalo's defense clearly misses him. Kawika Mitchell and Keith Ellison are both serviceable players, but in this defensive scheme, they can't carry the burden they're carrying now - they've been abysmal against the run, and the plays they've made are... well, never mind, they haven't made any plays yet. Marcus Buggs has been overwhelmed trying to fill in for Posluszny, and none of the team's young, talented reserves have proven capable of stepping up. This is the clear weak area of the defense right now.
Cornerbacks: B Terrence McGee continues his unappreciated play; as far as reliable tacklers go, McGee might sit atop a list of two or three names - all of them defensive backs. (Posluszny might have sneaked onto that list were he healthy.) Leodis McKelvin is gone for the season, but before he was lost, he'd been picked on almost mercilessly by the likes of Tom Brady, Byron Leftwich and Drew Brees. Drayton Florence has played well in his place, but we'll see how long that lasts - he was brutal as a starter last season in Jacksonville. Reggie Corner and Ashton Youboty have performed well in sub-package duty, but it's best if they stay in that role - we really can't afford any more injuries here.
Safeties: B+ Take away some big plays they've given up to opposing tight ends, and they might have snuck into A range. I said it earlier this morning, and I'll say it again: Donte Whitner is playing at a Pro Bowl level. I'm curious to see if that continues when he eventually returns from his thumb injury. Bryan Scott continues to be highly competent defending the run, and is as sure a tackler as there is. Jairus Byrd has seen a lot of playing time, and has acquitted himself quite well - he hasn't made any big plays yet, but he hasn't given any up, either. He's shown physicality defending the run, too - but he needs to start taking better angles.
Specialists: B- I knock the grade a bit because of the poor overall performance of Bobby April's coverage units and kick return unit, but overall, the individual specialists - Rian Lindell, Brian Moorman and particularly rookie long-snapper Garrison Sanborn - have been quite good.
Coaching: C- I'll never be the type of guy that lays blame at any one person or group's feet. Football is a team game, and losses are team losses just as wins are team wins. But the coaching has not been good this season. Strong game plans - such as the one employed by Perry Fewell to almost completely shut down Brees and the Saints - have been overshadowed by terrible on-field play, which no matter which way you cut it is partially at the feet of the coaching staff. Hot seat? Yep - every last Bills coach is sitting on one as we speak.
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The CB’s probably shouldn’t rate that high. They haven’t, after all, gotten a single Interception and have allowed a ton of third down conversions to opposing WR’s. McKelvin was terrible when he played, so he alone should drag that grade down.
I’d also give the WR’s a big, fat F if it wasn’t totally their fault. Josh Reed might be propping that unit up ever so slightly.
I don’t think I can disagree with much else. Maybe Edwards simply because his last two games were so pathetic. And the interior line has struggled recently and made too many mistakes all season.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Oct 6, 2009 1:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fair grades, with plenty of room for improvement before the end of the season. Just getting Poz back will drastically improve one of our worst groups, Bell will improve another problem area, and I’m holding onto the belief that our receivers will get it together before the end of the season. If we can raise those grades the team could look quite a bit better.
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by TEMSON on Oct 6, 2009 1:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and I’m holding onto the belief that our receivers will get it together before the end of the season.
I hope it doesn’t take that long… We need them now if were hoping to push for better than 7-9
by unBILLievable JJP on Oct 6, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I didn’t specify when before the end of the season – could be next week. But you’re right.
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-Marv Levy
by TEMSON on Oct 6, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The cynic in me wants to give everything an F.
However, I agree with most of brian’s grades. if you asked me honestly before the season began, i’d say they are realistically where i thought some of them might be anyways, and injuries make them a little worse.
I think the most disappointing of all units is the special teams – that was the one group we really expected to be very good, mistake free, and top of the league. So far, theyve done nothing but hurt my feelings.
by quantumuprising on Oct 6, 2009 2:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
then you have not properly exercised the muscles around your heart, leaving it susceptible to injury. :)
by LeClaireBill on Oct 6, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHAHA
"Potential just means you haven’t done sh## yet"
by willgarr15 on Oct 6, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude, ive been a bills fan for 24 years. Not only do i feel like i have a chronic heart condition, i know i have a chronic liver condition
by quantumuprising on Oct 6, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just a chuckle, friend. we’ve got to find some levity in here somewhere. :)
by LeClaireBill on Oct 6, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Football is a team game, and losses are team losses just as wins are team wins."
I agree with that quote, so I’m curious what your team grade would be Brian… Grading groups, as you point out is tough, because it’s obvious I think, that the QB “could” be better, if the WR and O line were better, but then the WR could be better, if the QB, and O line were better…. Etc. etc. etc…. Heck, DT would be better if Poz were in there, and LBs were better, and the team would be better if the coaching was better, or is it viceaversa? … Too much circular reasoning for me….
So my team grade??
We lost the “A” when we lost to NE…
We gave the “B” away to NO…
Miami now has the “C”…
So I guess I now give us a “D”…. as a team….
by Cinga on Oct 6, 2009 2:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Could anyone argue with a D? Still passing but barely.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 8, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Running Backs
An A for Running backs is a little much to me. Fred Jackson was great in weeks 1 and 2. But he had a big fumble against TB. Was non-existent against NO and the team ran for less than 50 yards against Miami.
While I agree that F. Jax has been good the overall unit B+/A-.
by Berg79 on Oct 6, 2009 2:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The overall unit was an A- according to Brian!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Oct 6, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes it was. Skipped right over that little dash that makes all the difference.
by Berg79 on Oct 6, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i just
can’t believe the offense is this bad. I watched the packers/vikings game last night and those 2 QB’s vs Edwards is the difference between the NFL-Varsity teams and the NFL-JV….I haven’t seen Trent make any of those throws that Favre/Rodgers made last night. Bottom line, while OL and playcalling can be excuses, Trent at some point has to step up and be a player. If not, then let’s blow this thing up, finish 4-12 and go get a QB
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by MARVelous on Oct 6, 2009 2:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd kill for Rodgers
Rodgers has a worse OL than we have and was under pressure all game long, yet somehow he threw for almost 400 yards because he kept plays alive and got the ball downfield to his receivers/tight ends.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Oct 6, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
seriously
no QB, no coach, no GM! It’s laughable….GO TWINS!
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by MARVelous on Oct 6, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rodgers is like Losman but Losman if he knew how to play QB. He’s great and he’s a 5-year vet now. I bet watching Favre steal his reps has motivated him beyond belief.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 6, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
EXACTLY! All the excuses for Trent are BS, I'm sick of it!
He’s had a decent line at times, he has the best WR’s in the league, but still he can’t prove his worth. Put him in the room they blow up come January!
They are hard to play but not hard to beat.
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by Sluss88 on Oct 6, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trent does NOT have a decent line
come on, you want to call our o-line decent? Thats not fair to Trent at all! We are by far the worst o-line in the league right now.
Also, and this goes for all of you Rodgers lovers, I don’t buy it that you wouldn’t all be killing him if he were in Buffalo. The guy hasn’t won anything yet and is still losing games. You are giving up on Trent in the first quarter of the season and i bet you all would be doing the same for Rodgers.
We got your back Leodis!
by poz on Oct 6, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
aaron rodgers has never played a single game as poorly as Edwards played last week.
He’s better than Edwards. He was sacked 8 (!) times last night and still played a great game. His team was totally outgunned and he kept them in it.
Has Edwards ever done that for Buffalo? (This is not a rhetorical question, I can’t think of a game off the top of my head and I’m too lazy to go look it up. I looked up the Rodgers stuff.)
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by JPH on Oct 6, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rodgers is a gun slinger
Trent is a deer in the headlights
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by dzil on Oct 6, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
really?
Rodgers is 8-12 after inheriting a team that went to the NFC Championship game. Edwards inherited a team that was in the AFC East cellar and has a better win percentage. Dont exaggerate Rodgers credentials because he puts up numbers. So did Elvis Grbac and Jeff George.
We got your back Leodis!
by poz on Oct 6, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
point is
Rodgers pocket presence, stands tall, steps up, makes decisive throws. Not saying he’s God, but he’s not afraid to play the game.
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by dzil on Oct 6, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trent can stand in the pocket and make throws too I suppose but if you think the Packers o-line was bad giving up 8 sacks you should see what ours would have done if Trent was dinking and duning, im guessing about 15 sacks against Miami. Do you guys realize that the Packers o-line is so bad it let the BEST DE in the game get 4.5 sacks, 1 safety and 1 forced fumble. Our o-line is so much worse that we let a SPECIAL TEAMs bum from Miami rack up 3 sacks. We are incomparably the worst o-line in the league. I just can’t comprehend how we can be dumping so much on Trent. I may not be as old as some but I have seen around 20 seasons of Bills football that I can honestly say I remember watching and this is the worst o-line I’ve ever seen.
We got your back Leodis!
by poz on Oct 6, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
meant wasn't dinking and dunking
We got your back Leodis!
by poz on Oct 6, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry friend
Trent doesn’t fit anyone’s definition of a gun slinger, never has. I wasn’t trashing they guy, didn’t say he wasn’t a decent QB. Look, the dude doesn’t have a single 400 yard game in his life. So he’s a technician, game manager, accurate short passer, etc etc etc. Fine, I’m o.k. with that. I just think he’s a bit slow to make decisions and doesn’t appear to have much confidence needed to take chances down the field. Of course, you’re not required to agree
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by dzil on Oct 7, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look, the dude doesn’t have a single 400 yard game in his life.
Neither does Rodgers in the NFL.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 8, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Edwards doesn't have a 300 yard game either
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Oct 11, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on poz
Not fair to Trent? Boo hoo. In case you didn’t see the game, GB has a line that is either as bad, or worse than ours. They keep losing LT’s and having to flip flop the rest of their line due to injuries as well. Still, Rodgers is lighting it up for them. He’s been sacked 20 times but has a QB rating over 100.
If Rodgers was in Buffalo playing as terribly as Trent is, then he’d be facing the same criticism. But he’s not playing terrible, he’s playing very, very well, because he’s a good QB.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Oct 6, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no hes not
again, he puts up numbers but he has a worse win-loss percentage than Trent and he inherited a team that had just been to the NFC Championship.
We got your back Leodis!
by poz on Oct 6, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and to clarify
im not saying he will never be a great QB hes just not yet. Im sorry, i doubt think stats and exiting plays make you a great player. Wins do. And hes just not a winner yet.
We got your back Leodis!
by poz on Oct 6, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So it’s completely his fault that the Packers defense stinks and they haven’t won a whole lot? They’ve scored 26 ppg under his tutelage, which should be plenty good enough to win.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Oct 6, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
again, they were a step from the Super Bowl the year before
their defense last year scored or set up the score for a ton of those points per game if you recall (which wasn’t meant condescendingly really just asking if you recall/saw Packer games). Charles Woodson had 7 picks, Nick Collins had 7 picks, Tramon Wiliams had 5 picks, and in total the team had 22 picks. They also brought 6 turnovers to the house. Thats a lot of turnovers and additionally forced 13 fumbles. Our defense doesn’t do that now does it? Why can you make excuses for Rodgers but not for Trent? I find it amazing that you are so quick to defend him but throw Trent under the bus. I bet if we were 8-12 with Rodgers people would be asking for JP back too is all I’m saying.
We got your back Leodis!
by poz on Oct 6, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rodgers is moving his team and putting points on the board. Trent is doing neither.
That’s what the difference is. Is Rodgers the best QB in the league? No. Is he close? Well, he’s a lot closer than Trent based on what they’ve done in their careers. Trent has been one of the main reasons this team has played so poorly, while Rodgers continues to play well for the Packers.
I’m not sure how I’m defending Rodgers when his play on the field has been markedly better than Trent’s. Do you really think that if we had a QB averaging 250+ yards per game, 2 TD’s per game and a 95 rating, despite an 8-12 record, that we’d be pining for Losman or calling for his head? That’s ridiculous.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Oct 7, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but thats my point
it seems like losses are why people want to get rid of Edwards and if thats the case I’m not sure why people are talking about Rodgers as a far better QB. Trent had a pretty spectacular QB rating, TD: INT ratio and completion percentage the first two games and we were a hair, literally an 1/8 of a hair from being 2-0. Then Butler and Bell go down and we have no viable backups and 3/4s of our secondary are hurt and we drop two and Trent looks awful. How can this be Trent’s fault given what we’ve seen? Isn’t this managements or the coaching staffs fault? The Peters, Dockery, Walker cleaning out plan doesn’t seem to have worked and the decision not to draft a tackle is now exploding in our faces and we want to blame a QB who has been pretty good for us and has potential? Why isn’t OBD taking the blame here? They should not Trent! He also lost his favorite safety valve after game two as well.
We got your back Leodis!
by poz on Oct 7, 2009 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Trent’s play on the field is why everyone is so upset. Last year and this year. So he played well in two games this year? Well he was quite bad for much of last season and was downright awful these past two games. Outside of a game against one of the worst teams in the league (which has the second worst D in the league), he’s led our offense to an average of 9 points per game this season. That’s what everyone is getting on him about.
It sure seems like you are trying to find every reason possible to place no blame on Edwards at all, while blaming Rodgers completely for the Packers being 8-12 in their last 20. Both have faced obstacles with their OL’s, but Rodgers is the only one who seems to be able to rise up and make plays regardless.
I’m just trying to point out that Rodgers’ play on the field has been far superior and much more consistent than Edwards’. Watching each play, do you really think Edwards is anywhere close to Rodgers in terms of confidence, awareness, anticipation, ability to get his playmakers involved, production, consistency, etc?
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Oct 7, 2009 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right but Edwards play on the field plummeted after he started playing with an offensive line that consists mostly of guys who wouldn’t even be reliable backups on most teams in the league. How can you pile on a guy who is playing behind Scott, Hang who is a career back up, Chambers another career back up and two rookies?!? Why does he all of a sudden have to go? Is it not the o-lines fault?
I’m not saying you can’t place any blame on Edwards, believe me I was screaming at him to take shots beyond running back check downs as much as anyone but the fact is whenever he did drop back to take shots he was sacked. Trent literally is throwing the ball to his running backs because those routes develop faster and he has to. Everytime he does what we all ask and drops even three steps and looks downfield he is being smothered by defenders and either being forced to throw the ball way, which he has done a lot of or take a sack. After a guy watched JP Losman booed out of town for throwing away games by fumbling and throwing picks that doesn’t seem like such a bad idea. At least hes protecting the rock. I challenge any QB to make plays behind our line who isnt a magician like Big Ben or Mike Vick.
Is Aaron Rodgers ahead of Trent Edwards in certain departments? Yes, I would hope he would be being a five year vet. But I just don’t get how you can say at least he rises up and makes plays. His plays still aren’t good enough to win and neither are Trent’s and thats all that matters. Its probably no coincidence they are playing behind bad lines but ours is much worse. So Rodgers has a big arm and produces tons of yards but that wasn’t what Edwards was supposed to be. He was supposed to make the smart throws, act poised and deliver the ball when opportunities presented himself – all things I still think he can do. But when you are playing behind such a porous line the poised and smart part translates into trying to move the ball with running back and tight end dumps and taking sacks instead of throwing picks or fumblings.
Its no coincidence hes had a statistical decline when he was all of a sudden playing with a porous line and only Derek Fine as a tight end outlet. Again, Scott, Wood, Hang, Levitre, Chambers. Just wow. We are called for holding a ton too because they know they are getting burned and Trent is about to get slammed. Why aren’t we signing free agents or making trades? Trent – and no QB – can make consistent plays behind our line.
And for the record, Rodgers has not gotten his best playmaker, Greg Jennings involved that much at all this year. Its tough when you don’t have time to find them.
We got your back Leodis!
by poz on Oct 7, 2009 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
“Fumblings” ha, typo that inadvertently becomes a good movie title for a film about JP Losman or Reggie Bush. Sort of like the movie “Changeling”. Get it….get it…..anyone…..Bueller…..
We got your back Leodis!
by poz on Oct 7, 2009 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice exchange you 2 – good reading.
Sorry Poz but i’m going with K on this one, the o-line as you point out is a factor, however, Rodgers is a better QB.
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Trent Edwards - Backup QB until furthur notice. Care to prove me wrong Trent?
by J2 on Oct 7, 2009 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it was a good exchange
K is always good for a worth while back and forth.
To clarify, I wasn’t arguing who is better, only that I don’t see enough of a difference for one guy to be considered a sure fire soon to be elite and the other to be sent to the bench permanently.
We got your back Leodis!
by poz on Oct 7, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So a guy can’t make plays without his team winning? Why do you expect Rodgers to be winning games all by himself in GB?
Rodgers hasn’t gotten Jennings involved much, but he’s doing a fantastic job of getting everyone else the ball and moving the team.
The whole point I’ve been trying to make is that Rodgers, behind just as crappy of an OL, is still producing and looking like an NFL QB. Edwards looks skittish and terrible.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Oct 7, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The whole point I’ve been trying to make is that Rodgers, behind just as crappy of an OL, is still producing and looking like an NFL QB. Edwards looks skittish and terrible.
I would just end by saying that Rodgers’ o-line was as bad as the line that Edwards had in the first two weeks with Butler and Bell and Edwards looked great. The one hes had since is waaaay worse than anything Rodgers has.
We got your back Leodis!
by poz on Oct 7, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But have you seen that Packers' OL???
It’s been horrible
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Oct 11, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I would also kill for the Vikings high pressure defense (at least until they went into “prevent” mode). They were incredible through 3 1/2 quarters.
However, I would still love to see the Bills offense function like either of those did last night.
I remain convinced that somehow Drew Rosenhaus negotiated a playing time deal for Roscoe into the contract for TO.
by thefourwinds on Oct 6, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’d call it fair across the board. the severe aggravation – letting two winnable games against quality teams get away. absolutely maddening. truly a game of inches and a couple moments per game that tilt the outcome.
i’ve mulled so much since sunday, that my muller is mush and my thinker is thunked. what is really wrong…where to go from here…crikey. i sat over coffee comparing the Bronco’s roster to the Bills, and couldn’t come up with a rationale that they’re 4-0 – with a bit o luck yes, and the Bills are 1-3. maddening. there is talent on this team. some of it on the sidelines and some very young and inexperienced. but excuses don’t matter at this point.
i put my rose colored glasses back in their case with a note for my grandchildren to find. “objects in glasses are farther away than they appear.”
can the Bills turn it around this season? well, stranger things have happened. not going to opinionate on the coaching/gm issue other than to say that i suspect NO ONE at the NFL level likes losing. they all want a ring.
so, lets see if the Bills buck up as Talley suggested or fold like a cheap beach chair.
by LeClaireBill on Oct 6, 2009 2:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Front Office - F
Or better yet, thrown out of school for good!
by BuffaloWhiner on Oct 6, 2009 4:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I will only comment on the C- minus for coaching.......
I 100% agree with that, only because of the way the team looked during the preseason, and then the 180 it almost (and should have pulled on the Pats) That game told me the coaching staff was hard at work trying to win that one.
After that……….it’s been pretty fugly.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 6, 2009 4:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cornerbacks – C
Safeties – C
LB – S
D-Line – B
QB – S
O-Line Tackle – S
O-Line Interior – B
WR – S
RB – A
Punting – A+
Coaching – double triple S
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by J2 on Oct 6, 2009 4:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you don't see a lot of S's on report cards...
Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!
by JPH on Oct 6, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And isn’t S “satisfactory”?
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 6, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
needs to be a “U”. how bout my most common grade school report card comment…“does not apply himself” and “distraction to other students” ha ha
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by dzil on Oct 6, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
S might be satisfactory for somethings. for me, it’s suck
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by J2 on Oct 7, 2009 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t say the punting has been A+ at all. Moorman has been good at times, bad at times. That’s inconsistent – certainly not worth an A+.
I remain convinced that somehow Drew Rosenhaus negotiated a playing time deal for Roscoe into the contract for TO.
by thefourwinds on Oct 6, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
double triple S???
Is that like “double secret probation”???
by Cinga on Oct 6, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love the reference.
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by sireric on Oct 7, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOW
talk about rewarding mediocrity. Coaching, the way I see it, get’s a 4 game average of A, B, D and Something below F. That works out to D. Ralph and OBD both get F’s. Most of the players are victims of the system, to a point.
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by dzil on Oct 6, 2009 6:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL uh… you say D… I say C-. Is there a real difference? Isn’t this all subjective? Am I rewarding mediocrity by saying they’ve sucked?
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 6, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
GPA of 1.0 vs 1.5 At least we agree they’ve sucked.
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by dzil on Oct 6, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
grade inflation
This is the best example of grade inflation I have ever seen.
by jpheff on Oct 6, 2009 6:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Let me guess – you’re one of the guys who gives everyone F- no matter what because they’ve been bad?
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 6, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
touchy touchy
take a deep breath some time.
by jpheff on Oct 6, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not touchy at all. You just didn’t really say anything of substance. If this is grade inflation, let’s see you adjust ’em, prof.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 7, 2009 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree on DT's and LB's
I think most of the grades are right on the mark, but you are too generous to the DT’s who were impressive the first two games but have to be held partly responsible for the breakdown of the defense in the middle of the field in the last two. They have not been getting much push on the pocket on passing plays, and have been terrible on running plays for the most part. Above all the DT’s are responsible for holding blockers and freeing up the LB’s in run defense. Stroud, Williams and Co. haven’t done that very well, which is a major reason why the LB’s haven’t been able to do their job.
It’s true that the DT’s are short-staffed with McCargo out and Williams playing with an injury, but that just speaks to the lack of an adequate rotation. One of the highest priorities for this team on draft day next year should be at least one, and probably two wide-bodied and athletic DT’s. We need help at LB too, but in my judgement DT is an even more pressing concern.
by Macktruck on Oct 6, 2009 8:25 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
question remains
How many Bills would be starters on any other NFL team? How many teams would still have the Bills coaching staff employed? I say we put them all on e-Bay with no reserve.
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by dzil on Oct 6, 2009 8:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to evaluate the draft in light of these grades
I’m not ambitious enough, but it seems like there were guys on the boards who may have improved these grades. I liked our draft, but it appears it could have been betterm, especially at LB and OT.
Defend the Herd
by TatonkaDonk on Oct 6, 2009 10:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
is Perry changing to a 3-4 scheme an idea?
i mean if we keep rotating marcus and kyle in the middle to keep them fresh, denny and shoebel on the ends and move maybin out to play outside with mitchell then put buggs and ellison inside, this would really help us stop the run dont you think? good coaching sets up schemes depending upon the personnel they have, with all the inujuries especially to LB, its obvious the D doesnt have the same sklillset as it had going into the season. Im not sure how much work it would take to switch mid year, so if its really even feasable, but dont you think our D looks better as is in a 3-4?
Also wanted to say this is my first post, been reading the board for after the miami game i had to get my thoughts out….did you know they lead the league in 3rd down conversions? SD, Indi and Atl and us are all at the bottom of the league in stopping 3rd downs….all opponents Miami faced…..so i wouldnt be so quick to chalk up the season after that loss…
by NHBillzFan on Oct 7, 2009 6:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Receivers
How can you grade them? There isn’t enough to grade them on.
Incompletes.
Ha. Look at that pun.
by oompaloompa on Oct 7, 2009 8:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
how the hell did jauron get a c?
the punt on 4-1 in the saints game should of been enough for him to get his walking papers, let alone a grade of f
Starting a movement to draft Jimmy Clausen in april, he'll be the 2nd coming of Kelly, the saviour of the Bills
by J. Mackin on Oct 7, 2009 8:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jauron didn’t. The coaching staff did. AVP did a great job against the Pats and Fewell did a great job against the Saints.
And it’s a C- for coaching.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 8, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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