Bills bench Buggs, move Mitchell, promote Palmer
by Brian Galliford on Oct 7, 2009 12:46 PM EDT
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Yesterday, in grading the performances of each Buffalo Bills positional unit after the first quarter of the regular season was completed, I gave Buffalo's linebackers a big, fat F for their unspectacular performances in the team's 1-3 start.
The Bills' coaching staff, much to their credit, has become acutely aware of their defense's biggest shortcoming.
Paul Posluszny is still out indefinitely as he recovers from a broken arm. Marcus Buggs replaced him for two weeks, but the second-year player has been benched - in favor of Kawika Mitchell.
Chris Brown of BuffaloBills.com reports that Mitchell is taking first-team reps at middle linebacker on Wednesday, the first day of practice in preparation for Buffalo's must-win Week 5 matchup against the Cleveland Browns. Mitchell, a veteran addition from 2008 who has played on the weak side in his time in Buffalo, is easily Buffalo's biggest linebacker, and has experience playing inside from his days in Kansas City.
Replacing Mitchell on the weak side in Wednesday's practice setting was undrafted rookie free agent Ashlee Palmer. Aided by strong performances in mini-camp, training camp and the pre-season, Palmer snuck onto the roster despite not being selected this past April out of Mississippi. Now, it appears that he'll see playing time as a starter for this defense - at least until Posluszny returns from injury.
Keith Ellison will remain the strong-side linebacker.
Kudos to Buffalo's coaching staff for at least making the attempt to remedy their bleak situation at linebacker. Mitchell is capable of playing inside, and Palmer has considerable upside. Still, I feel compelled to say this again: get well soon, Poz.
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Why give kudos to the coaching staff, when this is really the only move – in terms of the LB-corps – that makes any lick of sense. Marcus Buggs was awful in the middle and constantly overran plays, which meant a lot of big gainers for New Orleans and Miami. Something needed to happen, and for once this coaching staff realized that; hopefully the changes will continue (by cutting Chambers and signing Runyan/Levi Jones)…
by BillsfanfromDenmark on Oct 7, 2009 12:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why give kudos to the coaching staff, when this is really the only move – in terms of the LB-corps – that makes any lick of sense.
… because they realized it.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 7, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get your point and
applaud your attempt to find a positive regarding the coaching staff, but aren’t they supposed to be smarter than us? This move really was a no brainer.
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by Joe P. on Oct 7, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure I’d even call it a positive. More like an “OK, good. Thanks.” :)
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 7, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Mitchell can be an upgrade
I’ve been wanting to see Mitchell at Mike or SAM since he got to Buffalo, given his size and ability to stymie the run as well as his blitzing capability, I’ve always thought that his weakest attribute was his pass-coverage skills.
If he does very well at Mike, then maybe, just maybe we could see Poz switch to SAM, where I think he’d be able to reek havoc!
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by keysh67 on Oct 8, 2009 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kudos not warranted. This doesn’t “change” anything. All they are doing is shifting parts around. This “solution” is eerily similar to how OBD addressed the offensive tackle position.
If they really wanted to fix the problem, they would go out and find players not currently on the roster to fill these gaping holes. One thing has become evident over the last couple of weeks, OBD’s lack of ability to adequetly address depth at positions is clearly evident. Presumably these players we are moving around were of lower quality than the players they are replacing (otherwise they would have started at the head of the depth charts).
I beleive the primary reason we are in the position we are in now is a direct result of OBD’s lack of ability to talent evaluate. It blows my mind that comments still come out that this is the most talented team Dick Jauron has had.
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by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 7, 2009 12:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the expression is “rearranging the deckchairs”
by Zumone on Oct 7, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
new one, I will add that to my repetoire, here are some of my favorites:
“like a turd in the punchbowl” – when something will not go over well with people.
“between you, me, and the fencepost” – to keep something secret.
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by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 7, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed
To quote the urban dictionary:
“Rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic” – This is a situation when someone tries to futilly reform the way things are done in a failing system.
A bit harsh on the Defense but sums up the general feeling I think…..
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by SamUK on Oct 7, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah, and playoff caliber football teams don’t typically exist with rookie free agents starting at linebacker (or any other position for that matter).
But your right, we should give the coaches credit for realizing that the linebacking corps are horrible. I thought they were doing an amazing job this year, shows what I know about football ;-)
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by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 7, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they really wanted to fix the problem, they would go out and find players not currently on the roster to fill these gaping holes.
If that player existed why wouldn’t he be on another team solving their problems already? Like the Bears….
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 7, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because they have more talented depth than us?
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by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 7, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because the won the Pisa Tinoisamoa sweepstakes…
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by WhyBillsWhy on Oct 7, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brian Urlacher is still out for the season and Pisa is starting already. I don’t get it.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 8, 2009 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously. Our LB corps would be in better shape right now with Pisa in the fold. It’s just unfortunate it didn’t happen.
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by WhyBillsWhy on Oct 8, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No doubt. But the most likely scenario then would be move Ellison to starting MLB when Poz gets hurt with Pisa and Mitchell staying outside. Better, but still not great.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 8, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I might actually be more ok with that. At least Ellison doesn’t over-pursue everything.
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by WhyBillsWhy on Oct 8, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One thing has become evident over the last couple of weeks, OBD’s lack of ability to adequetly address depth at positions is clearly evident.
How many teams have serviceable third string MLBs?
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 7, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They had the entire preseason to make a move and/or could have sought a trade. Maybe they did, who knows, but it doesn’t matter because the depth they did build was just bad…
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by Kurupt on Oct 7, 2009 2:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
They definitely DID seek a trade. I reported that at the end of August.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 7, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did they get it done? NO!
OBD needs to be RESULT ORIENTED!
I am sick of would-of’s, could-of’s… Other teams solve problems… OBD creates them!
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by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 7, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn’t trying to please you, Jason, nor make excuses. As usual. And as usual, you still freaked out.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 7, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then I am missing the point, why is it relevant that the DID seek a trade?
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by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 7, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kurupt said:
They had the entire preseason to make a move and/or could have sought a trade. Maybe they did, who knows
I knew. I answered.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 7, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is only second string.
First string was Poz, Mitchell, and Ellison.
Out is only Poz, first off the bench is Buggs (didn’t work) = poor judge of talent by OBD. Remember we are only down one linebacker… Just because option 2 didn’t work doesn’t allow excuses for option 3. OBD created that problem.
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by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 7, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
digiorgio was 2nd string actually
and hes on IR we are hurting bad
We got your back Leodis!
by poz on Oct 7, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn’t he hurt in the preseason though? So OBD decided they were covered… didn’t make any moves after DiGi went down.
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by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 7, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes it was in offseason
so they probably should have made a move, no argument there. Just pointing out that we are technically on third and fourth stringers – on the line and the linebacker corp. This is precisely why I’m not so mad at OBD for not getting depth earlier but starting to get peeved that we arent seeing any trades or signings. At this point I’ll take Derrick Brooks, Levi Jones, Jon Runyan, anything!
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by poz on Oct 7, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Palmer
If Palmer has “considerable upside” wouldn’t he have been drafted.
C’mon Brian, seriously.
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by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 7, 2009 12:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Um, first – holy Lord. Is this really something to be upset over?
And second – did I say “OMG THANK YOU FOR SAVING THE DEFENSE YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS SUPER BOWL”
No. No I didn’t. I gave them credit for trying something different. Nothing more, nothing less.
Holy mother of God, you can’t say anything around here without getting your head ripped off.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 7, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear you
The negativity here the last two weeks has been incredible.
by Zorak84 on Oct 7, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
gee. can’t imagine why.
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by dzil on Oct 7, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let’s define a line, however. Not EVERY post needs to be littered with bitter sarcasm, rants, ravings, and repetitive conversations.
This is pretty minor news. Let’s treat it as such, and not freak the hell out.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 7, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe you should keep low for a couple days before you go insane, Brian.. It’s ridiculous around here lately in a way I haven’t seen before. I know the Bills have been indescribably horrible and there isn’t much hope for anything better, but the boo-birds are going full-bore and even the usual optimists are either out of sight, or are ready for next year already.
The only thing that will help all of this is a few victories, hollow or not. Otherwise I would imagine something might happen around the bye week. What that something might be, I’m not sure.
As far as moving the linebackers around, it’s actually something this staff has done well over their tenure, that is, changing the lineup a bit when necessary. In the past they moved the O-Line around, plugged Scott in at safety, those kinds of things. I’m with you, minor change of note, but no shouting Huzzah from the rooftops.
Are the Browns turning into the Jets’ landfill or what?
by syrbillsfan on Oct 7, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the usual optimists are either out of sight,
Super busy. Trying to wade through all the posts I have missed.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 7, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha
I think I’m just being ignored! hahaha
We got your back Leodis!
by poz on Oct 7, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have been trying to stick to the old saying
If you don’t have anything nice to say, bash Jauron….no wait …..that isn’t right ….. is it??
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by Joe P. on Oct 7, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not my intention
Brian,
I would ussually let this just pass, you could have just made a statement that the coaches were just moving parts around and seeing what would work, but you had to go out of your way to give the “kudos”. Seriously, you said it, “kudos”, as in a job well done.
Furthermore, you gave the coaches credit for noticing that the team has a horrible linebacking core (seriously!). If they noticed this prior to the season maybe we wouldn’t be in such a mess. Many of us around here seemed to realize that Ellison wasn’t that great and we called for them to sign some FAs, but no OBD was convinced the guys we had in house were capable… Much like the offensive tackle situation.
I am not bashing the coaches for trying something new, but I am not going to give them ANY kind of credit for doing so. I think this speaks to the overall lack of talented depth on this team.
Brian – You opened yourself up to critical responses, you should not say, ok everyone don’t be critical ;)
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by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 7, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t say don’t be critical. We’re talking about semantics. Clearly, my viewpoint on “kudos” is far more laid-black and far less enthusiastic than yours. I don’t even like Kudos the food.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 7, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
x2. kudos suck
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by dzil on Oct 7, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, to me “kudos” and “to their credit” implies a that-a-boy kind of mentatlity. I believe they shoudl be given zero credit for this. I would be interested as to why the deserve credit for making a relatively obvious move? You even stated that the linebacking corps were probably the weakest part of our team.
Maybe I would give them credit if they went outside the organization and admitted they don’t have enough talent in house… But the didtn’t. It is becoming obvious that this is the major flaw… Talent evaluation.
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by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 7, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m with you. “Kudos” for a blinding glimpse of the obvious? “To their credit” for moving around the deck chairs on the Titanic? Take a vacation.
by jpheff on Oct 7, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously.
The comments around here are getting less intelligent by the month. The thing that has always made this site better than the rest is the great stories (which are still coming in) and the great comments (which are being clogged up by… childish whining). Please stop attacking each other people. Please stop getting so worked up. Our team sucks. They have sucked for a long time. Love them or leave them.
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by Seattlite on Oct 7, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHAHAHA
Brian you’re crackin me up, man. You used to get on me all the time for the sarcasm and “personal attacks,” but when the creator of the blog is goin nuts, you know there are some real tools around here. I just stopped responding to certain posters that think they know EVERYTHING. Then I don’t waste time or get yelled at by you.
Anyways… why on earth don’t they give Nic Harris a shot? Marcus Buggs is like 5’10’’ and 220 lbs, who was the rocket scientist who thought he could play MLB? I remember watchin him play at Vandy and thinking, “Man, he could make a great safety in the NFL.” Nic Harris was making plays all over during pre-season, and I can’t remember Buggs doin’ anything. Sometimes this coaching staff is just bizarre. Harris should even be playing over Palmer IMO.
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by ForeignArrow on Oct 7, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only thing I can say about Harris is that he’s playing SLB and getting reps at SS. Palmer got a handful of reps at MLB in mini-camp, then spent most of the pre-season at WLB. That’s very likely what their thinking is. I wouldn’t mind seeing Harris, but I don’t mind seeing Palmer, either – and I’d certainly put both on the field before Buggs.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 7, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
there is obvious reason but people shouldn’t let it get to their heads and snap at every person who wants to talk Bills football without preaching to the choir about how the sky is falling. There are still 12 games left, there will be plenty else to talk about besides how much we stink.
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by poz on Oct 7, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you are being a bit sensitive. It is hard to give kudos to the coaches when it seemed apparent kawika should be in the middle since poz went out. Even though they did make the change, it was only done after it was made mind blowingly apparent on Sunday that the previous set up wasnt working.
The linebacker depth was a joke and that is solely due to the coaches and FO not addressing it in the offseason. Coming into the season with Ellison as a starter was a fatal flaw, at least as the LB unit goes.
by jmorris0823 on Oct 7, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, yes, but I didn’t say anything about the linebacker depth. It’s obviously not great, and didn’t need to be repeated here. I said nice job for trying something different. Should I have used a different word than “kudos”? Should I have phrased it so that I sound bitter?
If a team makes an obvious move, they don’t deserve credit for making it?
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 7, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hair fire?
most of my posts get deleted :(
by dzil on Oct 7, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The article was fine. While it’s a poster’s duty to state things clearly, it’s also a reader’s duty to read into the post to discern multiple meanings of what the post meant. You did your job, a few of your readers are not doing theirs.
You just can’t please all the people all the time. :)
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by Dyl on Oct 7, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kudos
–noun, 1. honor; glory; acclaim: No greater kudos could have been bestowed.
2. a statement of praise or approval; accolade; compliment: one kudo after another.
I’m just saying… don’t think I misread that one Dyl.
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by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 7, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you quote a definition, we can stop right there, because guess what, you win. You win the battle, Jason, but you lost the war because you wanted to argue right-and-wrong instead of making the effort to know what Brian was communicating.
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by Dyl on Oct 7, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
rec'd
Kudos to you, Dyl.
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by NeverendingOptimism on Oct 7, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol! I don’t know if I want anything to do with “kudos” after all this!
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by Dyl on Oct 7, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you. Clearly, “kudos” was the wrong word, but I tried to ’splain myself, and it fell on deaf ears.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 7, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh – and if Jason Peters had considerable upside, wouldn’t HE have been drafted?
Give me a break with that crap. Upside is upside. The guy wasn’t signed because he lacks talent.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 7, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Talent is talent… Peters is an extreme anomaly… That is why the NFL Starters are not consistently undrafted free agents.
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by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 7, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
…and Peters wasn’t starting at LT 5 weeks into his rookie season. just saying.
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by dzil on Oct 7, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dzil… stop being a realist :)
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by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 7, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I said he had upside. I didn’t say “his upside will make him a terrific starting weak-side linebacker from the get-go.” Sheesh.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 7, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I applaud your eternal optimism Brian, but you have to understand that some of us might find it irritating… Just as you find our incesent griping irritating.
It is hard for me to see the optimism in week 5 starting a rookie free agent at linebacker because of his upside.
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by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 7, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m hardly eternally optimistic. I’m just not miserable.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 7, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I am miserablle. That’s why in dark times like these I like reading the occasional posts on this site that are cautiously optimistic. Haha and I think “kudos” was a fine word choice to desvribe the move.
by PFD on Oct 7, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You actually said “considerable”
Palmer has considerable upside.
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by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 7, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, fine – sue me for using a freaking adjective.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 7, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know I am giving you a “considerble” hard time on this.. I have my “freak out” moments, and you struck a chord here. This to me is much like my Langston Walker meltdown.
Here my argument is to call a spade, a spade, which you seem unwilling to do. I promise I will take a time out now. That is all, I need to get back to work anyways :)
And I agree, I am freaking out. Sometimes you just know how to push my buttons Brian!
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by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 7, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL – but again, we’re not really disagreeing. Seriously – you just seem to think that by me saying “kudos,” I was applauding their effort while standing, throwing roses and wolf-whistling. I wasn’t. I was acknowledging that it was a good idea. If you want me to say that it was late then I’ll oblige – it was late. I’d have made that move as soon as Poz was hurt.
I spent my entire day Monday talking up how Buffalo needs to clean out the front office and hire a outside GM. I’m just as frustrated as you. I guess maybe I’m just willing to point out good ideas they’ve had instead of just being pissed off all the time. I was not endorsing them – I think it’s pretty clear that the current regime is on its way out, barring a spectacularly miraculous turnaround.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 7, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There’s a lot of unemployed 1st rounders too… just saying.
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by NeverendingOptimism on Oct 7, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Undrafted Players with "Considerable Upside" Do Exist...
Antonio Pierce, Bart Scott, Wes Welker, Antonio Gates, Kurt Warner… to name a few
by TJJ on Oct 7, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn’t James Harrison, last year’s Defensive Player of the Year, undrafted as well?
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by WhyBillsWhy on Oct 7, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
James Harrison was considered unathletic by many, if I recall.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 7, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You forgot about our own Fred Jackson!
But in reality, these guys are extreme anomalies… my guesstemation is that maybe 2-3% of the probowlers annually are undrafted free agents.
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by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 7, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s because the pro-bowl is a popularity contest, not really based on skill at all, but on popularity with fans and on a players reputation. It’s not that undrafteds don’t make the pro bowl, it’s that they have a harder road to get there. You are right about Peters being an exception in a lot of cases, especially considering the pro bowl berth last year.
You won’t get very far measuring guys by their pro bowl appearances, especially considering how the rosters are formed with an emphasis on skills guys and not on OL and defense. A pro bowl nod is a consideration to look at a player further, but in the same vein, a player not making the pro bowl is not a slap by any means. The key would be to look at the actual number of undrafted starters across the league, and I bet that number is well above 2-3%. Also, I bet the success rate of guys who make the roster after being undrafted is quite high. It speaks of a great work ethic and a commitment to team, and a lot of self-discipline. Pat Williams was also undrafted. Sure, most of the players that go undrafted are not NFL material, but for those that are picked up as free agents and make it through their first couple of years seem to have a reasonable amount of success. If your team can develop a raw guy, like Peters, it works out a lot better for your team, than say drafting a Mike Williams and having him bust. Palmer was making plays in the pre-season, buggs wasn’t for the most part. Let’s see what the kid can do, and maybe he’ll be a pleasant surprise.
by syrbillsfan on Oct 7, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you have significant ability you get drafted… 250 players get drafted each year!
Rookie free agents fall into a couple of pools:
1) Guys whom were not spectacular but good enough to be drafted by had issues (injured, personal, etc.)
2) Guys who are marginal NFL players (will never be starting caliber)
3) Guys who are projects.
A VERY small portion are actually able to become full time NFL starters.
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by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 7, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You also forget that the size of the school that the players went to warps the draft immensely. Smaller schools have less “quality of competition” which I think is bull. Good football players are good football players not matter what school they go to.
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by NeverendingOptimism on Oct 7, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very good football players get scholarships to very good (and large schools) typically.
You guys are really selecting the exception to the rules here…
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by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 7, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
… Because you think he’ll suck because he wasn’t drafted.
Also, some kids stay near home and take the scholarship to the small school to be near family because they’re kids.
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by NeverendingOptimism on Oct 7, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention discipline / injury / grade problems. All it takes is a couple whispers and the draft stock drops, or the students transfer from big name school to DIII nowhere. I was in no means implying that all of these undrafteds are great players. What I was trying to say, Jason, was that except for the money that keeps the 1st and 2nd rounders playing on Sunday, a lot of these guys turn out to be just as talented, just they didn’t have the experience or were late bloomers or whatever. If you look at players retained by a team for more than a year, the undrafteds probably have a better percentage of retention compared to the high round draft picks. They, for the most part, have less upside, but if they manage to stick around a season or two, they make a difference on the field. The quality of your lesser players can make or break your season, and the more surprises you find there, the better. They are the kind of guys who define your team, not the glory boys.
by syrbillsfan on Oct 8, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Palmer fits into category three and aren’t projects considered to be players with upside? You’ve also got to realize that Palmer was a bit of a tweener and very few teams are interested in undersized linebackers as anything other than special teamers. 10 years ago, Palmer most likely gets drafted. And I know it doesn’t matter much what guys like Mel Kiper think, but he was among many internet scouts who thought Palmer was a 5thish round prospect.
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by kaisertown on Oct 7, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have all convinced me
Ashlee Palmer has considerable upside and our line-backing problems are solved.
Seriously, I don’t know why I wouldn’t trust OBD. They have such a great record of talent evaluation…
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by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 7, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Comments like this are usually very counter productive to an intelligent debate IMHO.
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by sireric on Oct 7, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was just trying to end it… Kind of an agree to disagree.
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by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 7, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, I don’t know why I wouldn’t trust OBD. They have such a great record of talent evaluation…
Sarcasm rarely ends an argument. Sorry to assume, but I doubt you were being genuine.
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by NeverendingOptimism on Oct 8, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not trying to say that any problems have been solved. Just saying that undrafted players can, in fact, have upside and I think Palmer is one of those players.
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by kaisertown on Oct 7, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t forget, I’m familiar with Fred Jackson’s background. I would not put him in the same class as the names I mentioned at this stage of his career. Regardless, I was just making a point that it is not unfathomable for an undrafted player be successful in the NFL.
by TJJ on Oct 7, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of the 42 offensive and defensive starters in last year’s pro bowl (I’m excluding fullbacks), 4 were undrafted (Jason Peters, Kris Dielman, James Harrison, Kurt Warner) and two more were 7th rounders (Jay Ratliff, Cortland Finnegan). There were 5 reserves who also went undrafted (Wes Welker, Casey Weigmann, Antonio Gates, Shaun O’Hara, Brian Waters).
And does a guy really need to have Pro Bowl talents to have considerable upside. Palmer is a great athlete, so I think that’s where the upside comment comes from. He isn’t some guy who overachieved in college and has maxed out his abilities. I don’t know if he’ll be any good, but he does have the potential to be a good starter and isn’t that enough for someone to say that he has considerable upside?
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by kaisertown on Oct 7, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
James harrison
London Fletcher
Brendan “Oboy i cant spell his name” on Ravens
were undrafted too
by freddyjj on Oct 7, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am going to come to Brian's defense here
Just because he wasn’t drafted, doesn’t mean he doesn’t have upside. He has a ton of upside he showed in the preseason. I am not saying he is an all pro (he could end up being one), I am just saying he has potential. The fact that he wasn’t drafted doesn’t nessecarily mean anything. Look at James Harrison.
by The Irishman on Oct 7, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Based on all the potential undrafted free agents have, maybe we should fill are roster with them?
The point is even more critical that you mention how great of an preseason Palmer had… If he was that good, why didn’t they start him at the beginning of the year. After all he has "considerable upside’!
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by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 7, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he didn’t grasp all of the schemes Fewell was running and wow, Ellison and Mitchell did because they are veterans and Harris is ahead because he might be physically better, but is only a SAM.
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by NeverendingOptimism on Oct 7, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your right...your in a meltdown...
The draft has 7 rounds, right? Each team, minus comp picks, gets one in each round… For a grand total of 7 picks per year…
Average NFL career?? 5 years…. 5X7=35….
Team rosters are 53? minus 35 =18 right?
Even if you give each team 3 comp picks, and a few careers over the “average”, every team will have undrafted free agents on their roster… They would have to, just to fill a roster….
I’m old, and prolly senile… :-)… But if memory serves, Charlie Romes was a 12th round pick, one of the best corners in our history… Steve Freeman was undrafted when there were 12 rounds… And again, memory? But wasn’t Unitas and Kemp, both 17th rd picks?? By their former teams (Steelers and Chargers??)
by Cinga on Oct 7, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
bing!
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by NeverendingOptimism on Oct 7, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why isn't Nic Harris getting a chance
he was teh 5th round pick right? What is this?
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by poz on Oct 7, 2009 1:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nic Harris has taken reps exclusively on the strong side.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 7, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dang
I think we should get this guy on the field. I kind of agree with live6453 that moving Ellison and getting Harris in would have been a good move. I do like Mitchell inside though and Palmer had a good pre-season so this could help stem some of the defensive leaks.
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by poz on Oct 7, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's our "utiltiy fielder"
need him to back up/spell the safety core as well as the LB’s right now, can’t risk him getting hurt. he has more value for his versatility
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by J. Mackin on Oct 7, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I probably would’ve tried to first move ellison in the middle with Harris manning the strong side.
by live6453 on Oct 7, 2009 1:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I prefer their current method better. Mitchell is a far better fit in the middle than Ellison. Plus, he’s actually played there.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 7, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am not familiar, beyond just watching the games, would it have been a stretch to put Ellison on the weakside, Mitchell at MLB and Harris at WLB?
I know that would probably be too much change for a temporary situation, I was just curious if there was that much of a difference between playing the weak and strongsides in our defense?
by syrbillsfan on Oct 7, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ellison has played weak side before – but not for a while. Pretty sure he replaced Spikes or Crowell there in ‘06 – whichever one played there. But he’s spent most of his time on the strong side.
And honestly – if I’m looking to move as few players as possible, I’m moving Mitchell before Ellison, simply because he’s a better player.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 7, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very true. Maybe Mitchell will engage his brain a little more playing a position he isn’t used to, and anything that keeps him out of coverage as much as possible is a good move by any means.
I still see the missed tackles from Sunday dancing in my head…. That is the main thing that bothered me, how did the team that in week 1, and 2 for the most part, that was so technically sound, turn into this jumble that we saw on Sunday?
Most of our games we’re so close, like a play or two away from that season-making victory, but on Sunday, it was bad play after bad play. I know the defense was tired, especially by the 4th quarter, but come on. Rely on technique, that’s all they need to do. That is on the players, not the coaches.
by syrbillsfan on Oct 7, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think it’s just you. Harris has come across well in publicity from Bills and seems to have gained a Steve Johnson like group of supporters. I’d love to see him play. And as of a couple weeks ago, Chris Brown was reporting that plan “B” was Ellison to MLB, Harris to Stronside. One of the reasons I liked this over playing Buggs was Harris’ larger size, but now I see that Palmer weighs 4 lbs. more than Harris. Hopefully, that means Palmer is less likely to get pushed around than Buggs. If he does, then we can whine about coaches again for another week.
p.s. Good to hear DBell is coming back.
by williamsDT on Oct 7, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am happy that they did something about the defense. The D hasn’t been put in many good situations the last two weeks with turnovers and 3 and outs, and I think Kawika will do a good job in the middle.
I also think that this situation the Bills are in is due to the Front Office and Coaches ignoring the fact that players get hurt. Why didn’t they just lower Walker on the depth chart instead of releasing him? Maybe the Miami game wouldn’t have been so ugly if Walker was at either tackle spot. And Buggs at MLB, did they really think he could come in and play at an NFL level coming out of training camp. I don’t see how they could think that of Buggs of Scott.
by louiethegent on Oct 7, 2009 1:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
so the next move on the table
is to sign Levi Jones?
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by poz on Oct 7, 2009 1:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
D-Bell is practicing today, btw.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 7, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thank God!!!!!!
Its amazing how much more I appreciate him now!
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by poz on Oct 7, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does the dude they picked up off of GB’s practice squad go inactive again?
by Buffalo Mo on Oct 7, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would assume. If we have four tackles he will be out probably.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 7, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL – idk. I wouldn’t be surprised if they gave Chambers a “week off” on the sidelines.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 7, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah! That actually makes me happy, he needs evaluation as we move towards next year… one thing we need for the rest of the year is him to play consistently.
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by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 7, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This I agree with, on all counts.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 7, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
pretty disturbing, the regression of players compared to last season. Walker, Chambers, Leo. I mean Walker and Chambers weren’t great, but were at least serviceable last season.
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by dzil on Oct 7, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah! We agree on something!
Seriously, I have turned my attention to evaluating whom I like for next year and whom I don’t…. That is actually why I am happy Palmer will get a shot.
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by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 7, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sign jones, cut chambers
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by dzil on Oct 7, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it is the right thing to do
Scott isnt cutting it
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by poz on Oct 7, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jonathan Scott was actually acceptable at RT against NO
and definitely our best lineman that day.
by live6453 on Oct 7, 2009 1:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
any chance
Nic Harris goes back to playing SS?
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by dzil on Oct 7, 2009 1:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He’ll keep taking reps there until either Scott or Whitner gets healthy, because we only have three healthy safeties as it is. And one of them – John Wendling – stinks.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 7, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d like to see Harris at SS. In pre-season it seemed he was flying all over the field, in on most every tackle. Seems he has the mobility, despite his size, to be a decent SS for now.
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by dzil on Oct 7, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree on Wendling
He had two absolute whiffs on Sunday.
by jpheff on Oct 7, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn’t practice today, was in attendance. Same with Bryan Scott and Poz.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 7, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wish they could just put a cast on Poz and let him play. A one-armed Poz is better than a 4-armed Ellison.
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by dzil on Oct 7, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha – I don’t necessarily disagree with that.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 7, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would that just mean 4 times as many busted arm-tackles?
by Posluszny Pollocks on Oct 7, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet the 4 armed ellison would be a beast in short zone coverage though.
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by JPH on Oct 7, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You dont want to know
:)
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by Kurupt on Oct 7, 2009 2:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Ellison Started the year out great at SSLB.
When Poz went down, is when we started to see the decline from that Position. I am sure the thinking is kill two birds with one stone, lets get keith back home and draw off of Mitchells experience in the middle. Wilson and Byrd will have to help pick up the slack on Palmer if needed. I am sure he will need some help. Florence also can pitch in on the edge as well.
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by VanScottM on Oct 7, 2009 1:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think ...
it says alot of Ellison can’t play well unless Poz is in there.
Ellison would not start on any other team in the league. He’s a huge weak link on a potentially good defense that’s being wasted by shoddy LB play.
by sabre74kkn on Oct 7, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ellison is 4th in the league in tackles. The guy would find a spot to play.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 7, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That doesnt mean he's a good player
He’s been on the field probably 90-95% of the snaps. Of course he’ll rack up tackles especially when teams consistently get their)’s to the second level against us.
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by Kurupt on Oct 7, 2009 3:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
haha exactly right K, ellison is horrible, easily our worst starter on D
by csc06258 on Oct 7, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree… Not a big Ellison fan… At least as a Starter.
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by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 7, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the tackles argument is always a strawman, IMO
Linebackers tackle people. I’d bet the for the most part tackles and playing time are correlational.
That being said, Ellison looked great early on. But so did most people.
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by JPH on Oct 7, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tackles are definitely relative
I think really, from a team prospective, you’d want tackles in this order DL > LB > DBs but usually a middle linebacker ends up with the most on each team, except when they’re really bad, then it’s usually the safeties.
by syrbillsfan on Oct 8, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, but it means he’d find a job somewhere.
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by Dyl on Oct 7, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Poz covered up a lot of deficiencies in the run defense with his sideline to sideline mobility, awareness, and sure tackling. We definitely know that now.
by syrbillsfan on Oct 7, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't argue Poz's loss, it is HUGE!!!!!
Ellison did lead us in tackles in game one and had some awesome defensive stops on third and fourth downs, early this year. We have been looking into depth at LB since the off season and I realize that Ellison may have had something to do with this but he has shown signs of quality play and improvement from his past, such as Kelsay. He is being spread very thin right know and his weaknesses are beginning to show through. We are only lacking the qualtiy depth that most teams have. Poz doesn’t get replaced by depth, he is at another level. That kind of depth we have in our secondary. MO
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by VanScottM on Oct 7, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Poz doesn’t get replaced by depth, he is at another level
Digi would have been serviceable if he wasn’t already injured.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 7, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the biggest loss when digiorgio went down
was that we couldn’t keep saying “it’s not delivery, it’s digiorgio.”
that was my favorite part of the season 2 years ago.
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by JPH on Oct 7, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and i thought i was the only clever person using that catch phrase lol
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by J. Mackin on Oct 7, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
easy now...
poz played 16 games last year and we were 10th worst in the league in run defense.
And Maroney was picking up 8 yards whenever they gave him the ball while Poz was in the game.
I’m not contesting that Poz was a huge step up from where we are now, but he’s not single-handedly holding opposing defenses at bay.
I would say Whitner was the bigger asset in runstopping….
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by JPH on Oct 7, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Poz was injured basically the entire season last year.
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by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 7, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he played 16 games
if that wasn’t the real poz, where exactly have we seen him?
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by JPH on Oct 7, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are correct… my memory is horrible…
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by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 7, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Massaquoi
Anyone else worried about this guy going off in Braylon’s absence Sunday?
They are hard to play but not hard to beat.
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by Sluss88 on Oct 7, 2009 2:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was wondering how long it would take someone to grab that pic as a n avatar.
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by sireric on Oct 7, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup, couldn't resist, it goes well with my signautre...
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by Sluss88 on Oct 7, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe, but the bills can game plan for him – something the bengals couldn’t.
by quantumuprising on Oct 7, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
true, but does game planning ever help the bills?
If it did, you would think that Brown/Williams wouldn’t have run all over us…
They are hard to play but not hard to beat.
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by Sluss88 on Oct 7, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Massaquoi already has been going off. He was targeted 13 times last week.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 7, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
only because Bungles
rolled coverage to Braylon Edwards all day
Maasquoi won’t have him drawing the safeties again this week
by freddyjj on Oct 7, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and it was the first game he’s played in…
by quantumuprising on Oct 8, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As the resident UGA fan
No…. I’m not worried about Massaquoi.. Don’t get me wrong, luv the guy, but his inconsistency is the reason he wasn’t a first rd pick, though I admit, I would have taken a flyer on him in the 4th or later in the draft.. All the intangibles, size, speed, leadership ability…. But after one big game, always expect 2 or 3 really bad ones… And at UGA, those good games were few and far between. Again… I like him, but I don’t think he will ever live up to his status as a second for the Brownies….
by Cinga on Oct 7, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
anyone else having trouble?
Despite the fact that I’ve checked here numerous times today, everytime I come back it tells me that all the comments are unread and I have to “z” button through everything all over again. Anyone else having this issue?
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by poz on Oct 7, 2009 2:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you could just unmask them all.
but no, not having that problem
by quantumuprising on Oct 7, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
although, i couldn’t reach the site earlier…
by quantumuprising on Oct 7, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve tried that. Even after I unmask them. Logged off and on, they still appear as “new”
by Zumone on Oct 7, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what is "unmasking"?
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by poz on Oct 7, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Instead of pressing “z” press “shift” + “A”
by Zumone on Oct 7, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup
still marking as unread though, very annoying…
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by poz on Oct 7, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dang, now it is doing it for me too.
by quantumuprising on Oct 7, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
SBN is having some minor server issues. The techs are working on it.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 7, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really wish the coaching staff at SBN had planned ahead for this and had some extra depth at line-item IT techs; the rest of us knew before this happened that they were very thin at this position and if anyone went down with the flu we could be in for some rough times.
by quantumuprising on Oct 7, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yeah. This.
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by WhyBillsWhy on Oct 7, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Classic.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 8, 2009 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Figured that was it
I haven’t been able to log on w/my desktop a few times in the last day or 2… Sometimes that happens because of my own security, and the trackers through the SB Nation site.. But not often and never this bad… Y’all need to do something about those trackers though, it’s annoying…
by Cinga on Oct 7, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glad they are giving Palmer a shot. He can’t be any worse than Buggs. That guy was awful.
This situation again highlights the lack of depth/talent on this team. They really thought an undersized player like Buggs was going to succeed if forced into action?
We were concerned all offseason about LB depth and sure enough, its killed us so far. I hope this next regime cares about building quality depth on the lines and at LB. We obviously need it!
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by Kurupt on Oct 7, 2009 3:06 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
you had me at
This situation again highlights the lack of depth/talent on this team
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by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 7, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the problem is
we had decent depth in that DiGiorgio could have started nearly anywhere at LB and been a decent fill in and he went down. The bigger problem is that as much as everyone likes Ellison all of a sudden he too should have been our excellent depth and we should have signed an OLB in free agency. It all comes back to being satisfied with Ellison as a starter in my opinion.
We got your back Leodis!
by poz on Oct 7, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is exactly an example of poor talent evaluation
Relying on Digi was just stupid. They knew he was trying to come back from injury and wasn’t ready to go all summer. Then he had his setback early in camp and they did nothing to replace him, which was a problem in itself.
Well Ellison won’t be a starter next year, I’m quite confident in that. Too bad this staff kept thinking he could be even an average starter…
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by Kurupt on Oct 7, 2009 4:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Why is it that the unintelligent eye (fans) seem to see the obvious things OBD can’t. It is extremely painful.
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by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 7, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t sell fans short. Most of them are not unintelligent. Where we lack is really having an acute sense of how the business works.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 7, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed. Probably the main reason we didn’t go out and get help… Financial, unfortunately that doesn’t make me feel any better about the situation.
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by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 7, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dumb
Harris should start over palmer and he should def start over ellison
by csc06258 on Oct 7, 2009 3:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Really
What has Harris proven other than a few pre-season plays?
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by NolaBillsFan on Oct 7, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, as Jason from OH-IO pointed, he was drafted there for he is obviously the better player…duh.
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by sireric on Oct 7, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for sticking words in my mouth! Obviously my point was if a player has a considerable amount of NFL talent he does not go undrafted.
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by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 7, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jason, you know that’s not true. Undrafted players stick in this league all the freaking time – and that’s because no scouting department is perfect.
Do you want me to name all of the players that got drafted and shouldn’t have? Because there are a million more of them than there are successful UDFA stories.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 7, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Point is they are not typically the best players on the football field… At best they were rated as being less than the 250 people that were drafted each year.
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by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 7, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And my only point is that an undrafted player can still have potential. Palmer does. And again, that’s all I was saying – that he is talented.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 7, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i can’t beleive this conversation is still happening
I am so clever that sometimes I don’t understand a single word of what I am saying
Trent Edwards - Backup QB until furthur notice. Care to prove me wrong Trent?
by J2 on Oct 8, 2009 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then you don’t know Jason very well.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 8, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HAHA, boy you’re getting touchy now. I’m sorry but you made the statement:
If Palmer has "considerable upside" wouldn’t he have been drafted.
That to me means that because Harris was drafted that he has more upside. If Harris was a 7th rounder….okay that would be stretching it, but he was a 5th rounder. So since he was drafted so high, one could easily infer that you mean he has much more upside then Palmer it should mean that he gets into the lineup first.
This was all said with sarcasm, but since you seem to want to vent some of your frustration, feel free to continue….
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by sireric on Oct 7, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know… I wasn’t really as excited as my reply sounded… But I would say that yes, OBD determined that Harris had more talent than Palmer… Otherwise they would have drafted Palmer. Doesn’t that make sense?
I would also argue that the term “considrable upside” should reflect a player that typically is drafted in the first day (or what used to be the first day) of the draft.
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by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 7, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Draft
Haven’t they both played some football since the draft? It would seem they feel Palmer is a better fit right now.
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by NolaBillsFan on Oct 7, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OMG
5th round draft pick, 5th round draft picks are far from a lock to even make the team. You guys seem touchy today.
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by NolaBillsFan on Oct 7, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The sarcasm-o-meter must be on the fritz….
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by sireric on Oct 7, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sarcasm
It all makes so much more sense when I read it now.
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by NolaBillsFan on Oct 7, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait a minute...
On the fritz, means not working……….fritz……not working……….There is a connection there. What am I missing?
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by sireric on Oct 7, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
symantics
seems like this post, and I am playing a large role in it, has degraded to a discussion of symantics.
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by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 7, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got the connection, Eric, even if no one else did!
I remain convinced that somehow Drew Rosenhaus negotiated a playing time deal for Roscoe into the contract for TO.
by thefourwinds on Oct 7, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am still waiting for him to reply…..
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by sireric on Oct 8, 2009 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Deja Vu all over again
Maybe it’s just me, but don’t the causes of our problems at linebacker seem eerily similar to the ones at O-line? O-line: we get rid of our best lineman—Jason Peters—and cut Langston Walker, claiming that we don’t need them and our young guys are better. Now, we have no depth on the line, and it’s easily the weakest part of our offense.
Linebackers: We don’t re-sign Angelo Crowell, yet he was our most productive linebacker before Poz got here. (Yeah, I know he got hurt again in Tampa, but that’s not to say he would have gotten hurt again had Buffalo resigned him). We put a lot of faith in our rookies (I vividly recall a DJ interview late in the offseason about how much the coaches thought of Buggsy), and they can’t get the job done, and now our linebackers are easily the weakest part of the defense.
See a pattern? Seems another flaw at OBD is their tendency to grossly overestimate the talent of our rookies/young players while getting rid of proven veterans.
by McGee24 on Oct 7, 2009 3:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought I was over the loss of Crowell. I still miss him.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 7, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why? The guy can’t stay healthy. I don’t know how you can miss a guy who can’t see the field.
by hightower_mc on Oct 7, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crowell was clearly not the same player he was before the injury. He wasn’t even going to be starting for Tampa before he got hurt.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 8, 2009 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Supposedly, he was only 50/50 to make the team. Tough to think considering how good he was a few years ago.
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by kaisertown on Oct 8, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Knee injury + lack of football IQ = not good choice.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 8, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another Example
Another ex of the coaches taking too much time to make a decision. If it’s not the waiting to throw the challenge flag, it is waiting to fire the O-Coordinator, if its not firing the coordinator it’s not getting Bell as many reps as possible at LT early in the preseason before he gets hurt etc etc etc.
The coaches are not reactionists. They are intelligent people with good deductive reasoning if you give them a lot of time to figure it out. Unfortunately, the NFL is a reactionist league.
This move was two weeks too late just like every other thing this team has done.
by Berg79 on Oct 7, 2009 3:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
When Palmer doesn’t cut it Harris will be in next week…a week too late…again.
A decision like this makes me sad…because the coaches should be ahead of the fan base.
I kinda hope we lose to Cleveland because sometimes things can’t be fixed until you sink to the bottom and maybe the worst thing to happen to this franchise was have an easy schedule last year and go 7-9 as oppose to 4-12.
by Berg79 on Oct 7, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was just thinking about how good Jauron’s record is after bye weeks and to start the season. If he only had two weeks to prepare for every game, we’d be golden. Too bad it doesn’t look like we’re going to make the Super Bowl. (On the serious side, I wonder how much of this time delay is due to having a young team and constantly having to rebuild because of injuries and changing regimes.)
by williamsDT on Oct 7, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, how does Buggs ever even get a look at LB to begin with. Dude is virtually the same size as Josh Reed.
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by dzil on Oct 7, 2009 3:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, in a basterdized version of 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon: Josh Reed was a RB at one point in time, and many LBers also play RB. Buggs is a LBer and is sized near Josh Reed, who played RB.
This is how I envision the Benny Hill Gang (Inner Circle) evaluated Buggs.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 7, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gee. don’t know why I didn’t see that, myself. Was so obvious :)
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by dzil on Oct 7, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet you have the Benny Hill theme song in your head now, don’t ya? Whenever I think of that group of fellas, I know I do.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 7, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LMAO. Careful, Brian’s gonna snap.
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by dzil on Oct 7, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d pay big money to hear the Benny Hill song play at the Ralph during the game. I’d just die.
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by dzil on Oct 7, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’d never heard it though. Well if it was played following a Bills INT you would.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 7, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
play it during a pick-6. classic
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by dzil on Oct 7, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i go to vanderbilt where buggs went to college. i talked to people here about him when he became the starter and they loved him. Unfortunately, he had a reputation as physically overmatched but smart enough to be a good SEC player. His intelligence is nice, but when he’s too small/slow for college, you know he’s going to be in trouble playing middle linebacker in the NFL.
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by JPH on Oct 7, 2009 4:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I see above in the post that Harris was taking strongside reps and that's why they went to palmer and not him
my question is this: is harris now taking reps weak side as well? It seems like he should.
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by JPH on Oct 7, 2009 4:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He’s making a position switch – didn’t want to overload him. Now he’s taking reps at his old position, too.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 7, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's put on our happy faces for the weekend!
No boo-birds! Support the team and motivate them and we will be 2-3 on Monday morning. No so bad. Maybe that will boost their confidence a bit and they can build on it.
I live in Nashville and the Titans could very well come out of the game against Indy at 0-5!!! That’s crazy! Their boo-birds and Jerks on the radio have already started their “Fire Jeff Fisher” chants. Insane.
Driving the 11 hours home this weekend for the game and I’m pumped!
NOTHING like being in the Ralph.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Oct 7, 2009 7:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jills with pink pom poms. I’m happy
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by dzil on Oct 7, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
your happy?
have you seen the jills? worst cheerleaders ever!!!
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by J. Mackin on Oct 7, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to agree with this. The Jills are definitely sub-par looks wise when compared to other teams cheerleaders.
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by sireric on Oct 7, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
alright then. miserable again. thanks guys
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by dzil on Oct 7, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They are organic
as opposed to regulars on nip and tuck.
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by Joe P. on Oct 7, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, they look like they got hit in the face with a folding steel chair
i prefer the BC Eagles cheerleaders over any pro cheerleader. i prefer the girl next door look to the porn star look, but as far as pornstar looks go, the jills leave alot to be desired
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by J. Mackin on Oct 7, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wanted to argue with you....then I looked at some of their pics
OK….so we are not dealing with a lot of 10s, but if most of them walked up to you in a bar, you would probably pee your pants :-)
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by Joe P. on Oct 7, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nah, if they walked up to me in a bar i’d order a round of shots to help make them look better ;)
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by J. Mackin on Oct 7, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL!!! Sounds like a Win Win situation.....which is better than we get watching the game :-)
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by Joe P. on Oct 7, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
let the liquor help you get up on her ;)
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by J. Mackin on Oct 7, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You guys are killing me.....
Stop it………
FOCUS……. focus………………
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Oct 7, 2009 10:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey, at least we are not bashing Jauron :-)
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by Joe P. on Oct 7, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol, see, just trying to help you guys out. at this point i’d rather debate cheerleaders then our LB’s
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by J. Mackin on Oct 7, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's true Joe.......................
Okay then, keep talking about cheerleaders. Happy thoughts.
I like the Tampa ones. Very nice.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Oct 7, 2009 10:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
always been partial to....
the panthers cheerleaders, but that may have something to do with 2 of them getting caught in the bathroom making out a couple of years back
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by J. Mackin on Oct 7, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bad kitties.....bad bad kitties :-)
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by Joe P. on Oct 7, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like a plan
Here is a good place to start the discussion :-)
http://www.spike.com/blog/top-10-hottest-nfl/68811
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by Joe P. on Oct 7, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
as if it's not bad enough
the 3 afc east rivals have owned us for a decade, they have 3 of the top 10 cheerleaders? what happen to league paridy? i’m calling goodall!!
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by J. Mackin on Oct 7, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and major thor
good call on the tampa cheerleaders, the one in the middle disgustingly yummy
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by J. Mackin on Oct 7, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeaaaahhh....now this is what I am talkin about
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otDO1zH1BUc&feature=fvw
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by Joe P. on Oct 7, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is great
I haven’t had this much fun blogging on a Bills sight in forever…..it’s a welcome change guys lol
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by J. Mackin on Oct 7, 2009 10:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Happy thoughts....happy thoughts......
Nothing better than our women to make the world a better place.
Keep it positive and then next week we’ll all be happy and thinking about our “run for the playoffs”!!!!
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Oct 7, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
at this point....
why don’t we get the cheerleaders to call the plays? couldn’t be any worse
(u didn’t think we’d stop bashing jauron for that long did u now lol)
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by J. Mackin on Oct 7, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we had a cheerleader call the plays in Buffalo for years.
Now he’s in Dallas.
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by JPH on Oct 7, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
cheerleader calling plays
do u mean wade phillips.
by bills21 on Oct 7, 2009 11:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
for sure
he’s one in the long line of parade of losers we’ve had at head coach
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by J. Mackin on Oct 8, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But…but…but Phillips had a .604 winning percentage in Buffalo. He can’t be classified a loser.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 8, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bills moves
I am okay with the moves because they realized that plan a wasn’t working and needed to change . I think hopefully the bills don’t allow jamal lewis to be them. And I think it will be a bills victory.
by bills21 on Oct 7, 2009 11:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Brandon Jacobs
Can you imagine 260lb. Brandon Jacobs running against the Bills featherweight division of linbackers in Ellison and Buggs. Look at the good defenses around the NFL and most of their linebackers are much bigger than the Bills lightweights:
Steelers
Lamarr Woodley – 265
James Farrior – 243
Lawrence Timmons-234
James Harrison – 242
NY Giants
Pierce, Clark and Blackburn are listed at 238, 245, and 247
by BuffaloWhiner on Oct 8, 2009 10:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Michael Boley starts for the Giants and is listed at 223. And you can’t compare the size of the Bills’ LBs to teams that play a 3-4. An OLB in a 3-4 is a lot closer to a DE than a 4-3 LB.
Tennessee:
Keith Bullock – 235
Stephen Tulloch – 235
David Thornton – 225
The Bills don’t need bigger players, they need better players.
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by kaisertown on Oct 8, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So the Giants three starters at LB (Boley, Pierce, Clark) actually weigh a little less than Buffalo’s current starters (if you trust listed weights).
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