Rumblings Draft Scouting: College Football Recap, Week 5
Welcome back to another installment of Rumblings Draft Scouting, our weekly feature in which we discuss players, prospects and hot topics from the world of college football.
Our posts have been pretty popular over the past month; each week, we've talked about three players whose stock is rising, and three more whose stock is plummeting. Given the mood from the Buffalo Bills' fan base after their most recent embarrassment, however, we thought it'd be prudent to give y'all a little escape from the team while simultaneously venting on how best to plan for the future of the franchise (you know, if you were in charge and all).
No place better to start than quarterbacks, considering we can't talk about coaches and GMs when discussing college football. After the jump, you'll find our scouts' take (a consensus take, by the way) on how the top seven quarterbacks in the nation rank. Have fun.
1. Sam Bradford, Oklahoma (JR)
Bradford is the closest thing to the "complete package" in the nation right now. He's technically sound and will get better; he's a leader; he's big, mobile, and deadly accurate. But when you're the clear-cut top QB in the nation, there will always be nit-picking; Bradford will be nit-picked to death if he decides to leave Oklahoma after this season. -Brian
Stay cautious: His shoulder injury is a (minor) concern. So is his ability, or lack thereof - we haven't seen enough of him yet to make an accurate assessment - in dealing with a strong pass rush (i.e. playing behind a not-so-great offensive line). Other than that, Bradford's skill set is ideal.
2. Jimmy Clausen, Notre Dame (JR)
Tough kid. Plays for a team with everyone out to get him, and he gets the job done. I like that in a quarterback. He has a good arm and is in a pro-style offense. -WABillsfan
Stay cautious: Clausen, in his third year playing under Charlie Weis, has been terrific this season in ND's 4-1 start, and has proven himself as more than capable in clutch situations in four straight close games for the Irish. In terms of being battle-tested, Clausen (and perhaps Tebow) is the clear leader. But if he leaves early, you'll hear questions about his arm angle while throwing (much like Philip Rivers did) and, to a lesser degree, his football smarts.
3. Jake Locker, Washington (JR)
Team leader with good football smarts and can pull the ball down and run it. Really developing into a top-flight passer accuracy-wise thanks to Steve Sarkisian - but he may not leave until after his senior season due to this. Could become a Drew Brees type of late-first, early second-round QB who just takes off after a couple of seasons. -WABillsfan
Stay cautious: WA mentioned that he might not (read: probably won't) come out. His stat line this season is pretty underwhelming, too, and he's definitely not lighting teams up. But he's playing good football despite lacking talent around him. He's a good player, but we're not sure he's anywhere near NFL-ready yet.
4. Tony Pike, Cincinnati (SR)
Pike has a good arm, but he typically doesn't use it. He'll throw the occasional fastball, but he typically uses touch throws and likes to drop balls into receivers. You'll see some scouting reports say he has good arm strength and others say it isn't good enough. The question for him is whether that ratio of fastball to floater improves against better competition. -kaisertown
Stay cautious: Pike is the prototype as far as NFL quarterback prospects goes, but he hasn't been playing football for very long, and he's lighting up poor teams this season. We love his consistency, accuracy and touch, but we'd like to see him play well in a big game and deal with some adversity before selling him as worthy of first-round consideration.
5. Tim Tebow, Florida (SR)
Good arm, smart, mobile, best leader in the nation. Will fix the correctable issues in his game (throwing motion, snaps under center, etc.) and become an excellent QB. -gatornation
Stay cautious: In general, we're of the belief that Tebow - easily the most highly-debated QB in the nation when it comes to NFL prospects - has the work ethic and abilities to iron out the kinks in his mechanics. Clearly, he is top-notch in that ever-important "intangibles" department. But he's not a Day 1 starter, which is the only reason he ranks this low on our list.
6. Jevan Snead, Mississippi (SR)
Easily the best arm in the nation, but he's been terrible this year. Things could turn around for him, and he's by far the most likely player to make a big climb up the board - but he looks like he needs another year in college. -kaisertown
Stay cautious: Snead has fallen woefully short of meeting pre-season hype, and so has his Ole Miss team. His physical tools are elite, but his decision-making and poise have been beyond questionable this season. As kaisertown suggests, Snead would do well to finish his collegiate career in early 2011.
7. Colt McCoy, Texas (SR)
Smart kid with good poise, excellent feet, and has put up huge numbers at Texas. But his arm strength is extremely questionable, and he has a bit of that product-of-the-system feel. Plus, it's Texas - the breeding grounds of disappointing football players. -Brian
Stay cautious: McCoy is a good football player, and certainly has the potential to become a starting-caliber NFL quarterback. But he's not elite in any one category, and that's concerning when talking about players you want to build your team around. He's got a place in the NFL waiting for him - we're just not completely sure if it's as a starter or as a backup.
We'll end with a rant from sireric:
I am not very excited about the immediate starting ability of any of the quarterbacks on this list. I really hope that the Bills don't hitch their wagon to any of these guys hoping for the future. I would MUCH rather go and get a veteran QB should the need arise next off-season to move in a different direction from Trent Edwards.
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I would MUCH rather go and get a veteran QB should the need arise next off-season to move in a different direction from Trent Edwards.
I agree w/ this, BUT look @ the success the last 2 years w/ Flacco, Ryan, Sanchez and to a degree Stafford ( I know Stafford’s hurt, only one 1 game, but his numbers aren’t to shabby for a rookie QB). If the Bills get a high enough draft pick to be in contention for one of the above, they should hitch there wagon, b/c I believe Bradford and Clausen will be superstars on the next level.
Bradford has all the tools and is more sound, but if you look @ Clausen’s 3 years, he was next to nothing his Freshman Year, then slowly last year came into his own, now as a Junior, he is the best QB in the country right now. I believe he is the early Heisman favorite.
by Michael_Necci on Oct 8, 2009 9:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The 3 guys you mention had solid offensive lines and pretty decent if not excellent defenses. Stafford can just throw jump balls to Calvin Johnson all day. Hopefully, our offensive line settles down for next year, but that hasn’t been the history of the bills, so I too would be reluctant about starting any of these guys next year.
by williamsDT on Oct 8, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
only one 1 game
I mean: only won 1 game.. sorry.
by Michael_Necci on Oct 8, 2009 9:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would be happy if the Bills took any one of these seven QBs to create some healthy competition.
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by NolaBillsFan on Oct 8, 2009 9:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That wasn't my full rant.
First I want to make this 100% clear. IF the Bills go away from Trent next year, my first preference would be a proven veteran to take over for the foreseeable future. That means if a guy like Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Jay Cutler, or any other QB of that ilk somehow became available I would jump on them as fast as possible.
Second I HATE the idea of throwing a rookie starter into the fire right from the get go. Yes I know that some can handle it. Most can’t however and I don’t think you can argue that you hurt a QB by making him sit for at least half a season. It may delay him a bit, but it doesn’t hurt him. Look at the pounding David Carr took early in his career, that couldn’t have been good for him. My ideal scenario would see the Bills drafting a rookie QB to be their future and signing a vet to tutor him. Just to use a name, lets say the Bills sign Kerry Collins, let him start at the beginning of the season, with the youngster getting into some games here and there. Then next year (2011) let the rookie take over the starting position.
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by sireric on Oct 8, 2009 10:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I HATE the idea of throwing a rookie starter into the fire right from the get go.
I agree. I don’t mind having a rookie watch TE for the rest of next season if the Bills keep TE. I don’t think many QBs are ready to start day one. There is no way to prove this but I think too many QBs have been washed out of the league because of being thrown into the fire too soon.
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by NolaBillsFan on Oct 8, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That means if a guy like Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Jay Cutler, or any other QB of that ilk somehow became available I would jump on them as fast as possible.
How the heck would any of those guys become available? Franchise QB’s don’t just become available (the Broncos stupidity on Cutler not withstanding). If we’re looking at veteran QBs, here’s the list we get to choose from:
- Jason Campbell (RFA)
- Kyle Orton (RFA)
- Kellen Clemens (RFA)
- Tavares Jackson (RFA)
- Brodie Croyle (RFA)
- Chad Pennington (UFA)
- Kyle Boller (UFA)
…and a bunch of scrubs not worth mentioning (if you believe any of the above are worth mentioning).
The only worthwhile QB I could see being available next year is McNabb…and Philly would have to eat the last year of his 2 year / $24 million contract. Or maybe Derek Anderson or Quinn becomes available via trade. Or maybe Garrard via trade. But none of those guys are someone I want to hang the franchise on.
If we’re looking for a stop-gap (or stepping stone) to a rookie QB, we’re looking at someone like Kerry Collins (if released), Daunte Culpepper (FA), or Hasselbeck (if released).
The looming uncapped year basically screws the Bills from trying to find someone “serviceable” that a high-draft pick, rookie QB could learn from before throwing him into the fray.
If the Bills decide Trent isn’t their QB of the future, their best option might be to draft one of the seven listed (I like Bradford, Pike, Clausen in that order), and then let Trent start next year while the rookie learns behind him.
So easy Marshawn Lynch can do it.
by thatguy34 on Oct 8, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure where Eric was going with Aaron Rodgers, but Brees (free agency ‘06) and Cutler (trade) randomly became available for whatever bizarre reasons during particular off-seasons. I think that’s where Eric was going with that thought, though I could be wrong…
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 8, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I get the Cutler one. Maybe the Rodgers thing threw me off. But Brees was in a contract year and had a high draft pick behind him. Such a situation doesn’t exist right now in the NFL.
My point was that the Brees and Culter situations are extremely uncommon. So while I would love to be in a situation where someone like Brees or Cutler were available at the end of the year, it is very unlikely we’ll have the opportunity. So, unless Edwards does a 180 from last Sunday for the rest of the season, I think we’re looking at hanging another high draft pick on a QB. Then, we can decide if we wanna keep Trent for his final year before plugging in the rookie, picking off the garbage heap for a one year stop gap QB, or throwing said rookie right into the fire.
So easy Marshawn Lynch can do it.
by thatguy34 on Oct 8, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
4 games into last season did anybody think that Jay Cutler would be anywhere but on the Broncos roster? You never know stuff happens and guys become available.
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by sireric on Oct 8, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My ideal scenario would see the Bills drafting a rookie QB to be their future and signing a vet to tutor him.
I agree. This is the ideal scenario for a rookie QB, but team aren’t doing this anymore because a first round QB is a huge investment to sit all year at bench. Look last two years, most of round one QB are starters not because they are ready, but because most teams don’t want to pay millions to sit a guy for a red-shirt year.
The ideal scenario is not draft a QB next draft. Bills have so many need that I don’t think QB is a priority. Bills are only going with QB at first round if they draft at top 5, IMO.
by hightower_mc on Oct 8, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carson Palmer was the #1 pick and he sat for a whole year. Eli sat behind Kurt Warner for half a year. It happens but you are right, it is getting more and more rare.
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by sireric on Oct 8, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we need a GM before even considering drafting a QB. I just can’t see the Russ Brandon led OBD making a wise pick. If a QB change is made, I’d rather see Trent remain to back up a veteran QB. Save the QB draft for 2011.
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by dzil on Oct 8, 2009 10:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
We’ve got bigger priorities on this team. We need OT, DT and LB help. Trent is still young enough that he can show us something (Remember Drew Brees everyone)
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by shrubz on Oct 8, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
drew brees never looked this bad.
by quantumuprising on Oct 8, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would love to keep Edwards another year
If you draft a QB high (1st/2nd round), you are basically saying that Trent is not your long term solution at QB. That makes him a lame duck QB, but who cares. We will be in rebuild mode again, and hopefully Edwards will be motivated to play well to get a new contract with another team. If you throw your shinny new QB into the fire, you risky destroying him a la Carr or getting him hurt behind a Oline with questions at both Tackle spots. Flacco and Sanchez are both playing behind pretty good Olines and have good running games to help them out. We can’t say the same right now. If the Bills really believe that there is a franchise QB on the board when they pick, you have to take him. But, if they believe that the QBs available are nothing special, I say fix the lines. We need a RT, DT, and LB in the worst way. When Trent has protection, he is a serviceable QB. Let him take the beating.
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by Joe P. on Oct 8, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is why a player like Jake Locker becomes so important
If he comes out this season, he goes in the 2nd round, if he stays for another season to work with Sarkisian, he becomes a top 15 pick the following draft. In the deep dark recess of my mind, I kinda hope he comes out, we draft an OT in the 1st and then take him in the 2nd and let Trent take the abuse for the 2010 season and the Jake steps up to play after Trent walks off for a new contract.
As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Fewell, common sense says to play UP on the line against the slant.
by WABillsfan on Oct 8, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.....I wonder what Juniors are thinking about coming out this year with the CBA due to expire?
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by Joe P. on Oct 8, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it doesn't have to be a rebuilding phase
if we get clausen with our 1st round pick, theres supose to be a deep tacke class, grab 1 in the 2nd round. (or maybe trade T.O. by week 6 and get another 2nd round pick) get a LB to replace ellison and build depth. Maybe get a DT as well. hardy and nelson will have another year under their belts, we could be in good shape
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by J. Mackin on Oct 8, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
were closer then you think, just need some leadership at key positions.
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by J. Mackin on Oct 8, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anytime you are counting on a rookie QB to start,
you are most likely looking at least one year of missing the playoffs. Add in expecting a rookie OT and LB to start, and possibly a new DT and LB to play significant time in the rotation, a new coach, a new system for the Vets to learn, and you are looking at a rebuilding year. Granted some teams have done a 180 in one year, but that is the exception. I wouldn’t bet on it.
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by Joe P. on Oct 8, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Bills will need one hell of a good offseason to not have next year be a rebuilding season. And they need some young guys to step up between now and next september (ie: the entire offensive line).
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by kaisertown on Oct 8, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How to we trade TO when nobody wanted him to begin with and he’s done nothing yet and he’s only got a one year contract? I don’t get it.
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by dzil on Oct 9, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the fact that he only has a 1 year contract will be appealing to contenders that don’t have a true #1. edwards just went to the jets and he has off field issues. T.O. hasn’t been in trouble with the law, has an excellent work ethic and has been well behaved (by his standards) even though you know he’s pissed he’s caught as many balls this year as he averages per game most years. worst comes to worst we can always trade him to the raiders, al would be all over that deal
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by J. Mackin on Oct 9, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I couldn’t agree more with Sieric’s rant – some of these QBs can put up nice numbers in college or what not, but I don’t think any of them are 100% ready for a rookie year of the NFL. And if we could get a nice vet to hold down the fort while things get worked out, I would like that the best.
I have hope for our o-line, but this year is a good year to really figure out if there are some much needed holes to fix first – two things that help a rookie QB: good o-line and a good running game.
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by Ghetts on Oct 8, 2009 11:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agree with sireric
For a couple of reasons. First off, the success of Ryan and Flacco last year (and continuing this year) was historically a fluke. Plus they went in to good situations with lots of talent around them (same as Sanchez this year). Let’s face it, the draft is a total crapshoot pure and simple. You get lucky or you don’t. For every Ryan and Flacco there’s a Jamarcus Russell or Ryan Leaf waiting out there.
Second reason: We just plain need help in other areas more. In particular on defense, linebacker and defensive end.
Didn’t hear Jeff Garcia’s name mentioned as a possible veteran QB out there. If Edwards looks like he’s not panning out or continues to show signs of regressing, I’d still be interested in signing him.
Of course it would really help to evaluate Edwards if he had a healthy OL in front of him and wasn’t so crazily inconsistent. I just hope we get to see the good Edwards this Sunday (and the rest of the season).
by Applsoss on Oct 8, 2009 1:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry no link, but according to PFT there is a possibility that the Browns could trade either Quinn, or Anderson, what do you guys think of them, Anderson has the size and arm strength, I would mind seeing him in Buffalo, but is he an upgrade over Edwards?
by Hassanali181 on Oct 8, 2009 2:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i’m just worryed about quinn being shell shocked from 3 years in cleveland
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by J. Mackin on Oct 8, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah Im not much of a Quinn fan, I would rather have Anderson, but I think I prefer Edwards over the both of them,
by Hassanali181 on Oct 8, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
3 words
JIMMY FREAKIN CLAUSEN!!!!
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by J. Mackin on Oct 8, 2009 2:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Three words
Casey freakin Claussen!!!!!!
by LeClaireBill on Oct 8, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
more words
Ron Powlus, Rick Mirer, Carlyle Holliday, Tony Rice, Kevin McDougall, Matt LoVecchio, Jarrious Jackson, Blair Keil.
Most over rated college program in the country. and the fatest, most obnoxious coach.
by LeClaireBill on Oct 8, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's great dude
but we’re not drafting a coach or a program, it’s a player, clausen has proven he’s the best qb in the country, tough as nails (the kid took a pounding his freshman year that would make a pornstar cringe and never missed a game) and i think it was someone from the rumblings that said his swagger on the field reminded him of kelly. but if you don’t want another jim kelly i’m sue we could get losman back from las vegas
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by J. Mackin on Oct 8, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt Losman
will ever be seen Buffalo again
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by NolaBillsFan on Oct 8, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah – we shouldn’t consider drafting a player because he wore a gold helmet and his coach is overweight. These are the secrets to finding a great NFL signal caller.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 8, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You conveniently left off the names Joe Montana, Joe Theismann, Steve Beuerlein, Daryl Lamonica, Paul Hornung and numerous other all american’s and in some cases college football hall of famers.
I think we’re forgetting that developing QB’s not just falls on the QB developing his own skillset (film study, mechanics, etc.) but it’s the coaches getting the QB in the right position to succeed. When Trent Edwards says after the game, “we didn’t think we would see that type of defense” or “we didn’t practice against that type of defense this week” it sounds to me that the coaching staff is not preparing Edwards to succeed. Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco were put into positions that allowed them to succeed. Ryan has a monster RB in Turner and Flacco benefitted from a great defense that put the offense in the position to score and a committment to the running game. That gave Flacco confidence and you saw what he did with that later in the year.
by gatornation on Oct 9, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would be estactic if we could get bradford, clausen, or pike IN ADDITION to getting either orton, campbell, boller, grossman, or carr to hold down the reigns while the rookie gets acquainted with the offense.
and fyi: jake locker sounds a lot like trent edwards coming out of stanford… (ie not putting up great numbers because of the lack of talent around him…)
by flutieflakes007 on Oct 8, 2009 2:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Unlike Trent, Jake is an iron man excpeting the horrendous injury to finish off last season
Kid is as tough as nails and his teammates respond to him if you ever get a chance to watch a game, he holds to huddle and the other 10 guys all key off of him like they should to a real leader. He will be a good player in the NFL due to his prototype size and very good arm strength, but his biggest assest will be that when he is in at QB, his teammates believe in him and play hard for him, I do not see that sometimes with Trent right now, which is scary.
As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Fewell, common sense says to play UP on the line against the slant.
by WABillsfan on Oct 8, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thinking clausen could start from day 1
he started as a freshman, i know he had some trouble adjusting, but with the 2 backs we have you’d only need him to throw 20-25 times a game. hopefully hardy will develope into a #2 reciever. i’d be more for drafting a center/tackle in the 2nd and create some competion/depth on the line.
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by J. Mackin on Oct 8, 2009 3:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A tackle would def. be a good position for early rounds, or possibly DT, DE, or OLB, I think we are set with Hangartner at C.
by Hassanali181 on Oct 8, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My two cents from a Lions fan.
If you are picking early enough to get one of the ‘elite’ QB prospects [Bradford or Clausen] you probably will have a new coach and maybe a new GM too, and should probably know that Edwards is not the guy to move your team forward.
Relying on a veteran QB, that will be a big improvement over Edwards, to be available is a pretty hopeful [hopeless?] strategy.
We went through [are still going through] that same process in Detroit. In my opinion, Schwartz made the right call on starting Stafford from Day One. It is painful, but we are seeing progress.
I guess your organization has to decide whether they can get to the next level with a few tweaks or whether a total overhaul is necessary. Looking at the other teams in your division, two of them are making dramatic changes with ‘rookies’ at QB and NE has Brady. Is Trent Edwards the QB to keep the Bills up to those teams?
by NorthLeft12 on Oct 8, 2009 3:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Probably not, sigh....
As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Fewell, common sense says to play UP on the line against the slant.
by WABillsfan on Oct 8, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think so
We don’t need a gunsliger QB. We can move the ball on the ground and as long as TE can get the ball to the WRs more than once a game we will be ok.
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by NolaBillsFan on Oct 8, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts from the weekend
Some notes I sent to Brian yesterday. I didn’t get to scout in my usual manner (I usually try to compare notes from the last time I saw a player) because I was sick on Saturday, but here’s what I did see/note:
Notes from Penn State-Illinois.
-Darryl Clark looks like an NFL running back to me. His arm is good and
accuracy is OK but his decision making is still off. He’s not so tall that
he couldn’t play RB, a la Michael Robinson in San Francisco. Similar
thoughts for Juice Williams.
-The Penn State O-Line finally gelled and really started to blow Illinois
off the ball. The center, Wisnewski (61) was dominant. Future first
rounder in my mind. He’s not a typical small Penn State center, and can
handle wide bodies over him and also can reach the second level.
-Due to better line play, Royster looked really good. He reminds me a bit
of Fred Jackson in the manner which he runs and ability in the passing game.
-Jared Odrick still looks like a 3-4 end to me, but he’ll be a good 3-4 end.
-Arrelious Benn wasn’t as fast as I thought, and looks more like a taller RB
running through the secondary with how yoked up he is. I don’t think he’ll
run sub-4.4 at the combine, and he doesn’t look like he can consistently get
a step on the CB. Could be a good possession receiver. Low first rounder
to me.
-Penn State TE’s looked OK, may be later round considerations.
Notre Dame-Washington.
-Another great game for Clausen. Showing that he’s the best QB prospect in
the country every week. His assessment that I gave from last week still
stands. Top 3 pick. I disagree with the above listing and put Clausen ahead of Bradford. Bradford has Clausen on accuracy and potentially football IQ. Still, Clausen has shown that he is very accurate. Not concerned about his release point because of the velocity that he puts on the ball, and the fact that his throwing motion is very fluid and compact, and it doesn’t change from throw to throw. I see it as a non-issue entirely. Those questioning his release point should refer to Rivers, who has had no issues to this point. Brian is correct about scouts questioning his intelligence, as I noted last week, but I don’t see it as a concern because he’s putting the ball where it needs to go consistently, a sign of good film work. He’s a functionally smart QB in my mind. My breakdown of Clausen from last week (posted 1 OCT in last week’s College Scouting Report):
http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2009/10/1/1063408/rumblings-draft-scouting-college#22117402
-Jake Locker has been called the Tim Tebow of the West by some. While he’s
built like Tebow and has comparable running ability, it really not accurate
in terms of his passing ability. He throws a much better ball, his
mechanics are sound, and his accuracy is better. Where Tebow is a project
at this point with great tools, Locker is a sound prospect. Played great
and has lifted his team with his play. Could end up being a first round QB
with consistency.
-Golden Tate continues to play well, though I think his big plays won’t
translate quite as well to the NFL. He’s probably best as a slot
back/receiver.
-Eric Olsen continues to play well at center and could be a
3rd rounder.
-Sam Young played well after a couple really bad games.
Minnesota-Wisconsin.
-Greg Carimi is the real deal at offensive tackle. He’s playing LT for
Wisconsin but projects to RT. He stands up at the snap, and his feet aren’t
quick enough to play LT. But his power is almost overwhelming at times.
Plays with super heavy hands and his punch at the snap is devastating. His
feet are quick enough to play RT, and combined with his power, he could be a
Jon Jansen type of RT. Second round prospect.
-Weber and Decker continue to impress me. Weber has all the tools to
succeed. I think he needs to knock off a major team to really stand out.
-Decker is Jordy Nelson/Joe Jurivicous. Great player. Doesn’t have
over-the-top speed, but does everything else well including great hands and
a great feel for the game.
-I was really impressed with the Minnesota TE, Tow-Arnett. He’s thickly
built, has good-enough speed, and is a factor as a receiver. Could be a
nice middle round draft choice.
Tennessee-Auburn.
-Eric Berry played well, but he really could’ve showcased himself and
didn’t. His presence on the field did little to slow the Auburn attack. He
had some big hits, and admittedly, Auburn has a tough offense to contain.
Compared to Taylor Mays, who made big plays against California, Berry looked
somewhat ordinary. I think Berry and Taylor are still locked in as high
first rounders, but grading who’s best is still an incomplete at this point.
Rico McCoy looked really fast. He reminds me of Michael Boulware- an OLB
that’s really a big safety. Perfect for a Tampa 2- great instincts, covers
ground fast and plays the pass well.
-I didn’t notice anything from Dan Williams. I may have missed plays he
made, but I didn’t notice any either.
Wake Forest-NC State.
-Really only looked at Willie Young. Angular pass rusher, didn’t really
impress me, destined to be a 3-4 OLB. Couldn’t anchor or hold the edge, and
Wake Forest isn’t know to be a power team. But had a decent first step.
Similar to Manny Lawson in my mind.
Clemson-Maryland.
-Nothing really stood out to me about Maryland.
-CJ Spiller has a lot more power than people think. He’s every bit as
explosive as Jahvid Best, cuts faster in my mind, and picks up speed as
fast. And he plays with more power. Would be good for a team in a Chris
Johnson role, but Johnson’s got a step on Spiller in terms of explosiveness.
-Ricky Sapp looked really fast off the edge to me. I don’t know if that
translates to him playing end or OLB, but I think he fits somewhere. Great
first step.
-Thomas Austin didn’t really impress me. He’s at LG where he should be
blowing people off the ball, but he seemed lost half the time. I counted at
least five times where he hit no one the entire play.
Again, I was sick and had some issues concentrating at times, so if I missed something please let me know.
by Der Jaeger on Oct 8, 2009 4:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the work on the Washinton vs. ND game
Locker I think will be a very good NFL QB, I think Clausen is #2 for me right now, just because Bradford gets a pass due to injury, if he was playing right now, my top 2 might flip.
Locker is the guy I hope we get, just because I admit to a soft spot for him. Clausen or Bradford would make me REALLY happy as a Bills fan
As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Fewell, common sense says to play UP on the line against the slant.
by WABillsfan on Oct 8, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was surprised with Locker
I hadn’t been able to see him play due to injuries and timing with my personal schedule. I thought he was going to be more similar to Tebow: great tools but needs massive refinement. He was much more refined than I expected. I’d like to see him continue to improve and be consistant with what he’s improved upon, but from what I saw, he has legit tools and should be a first rounder at some point.
by Der Jaeger on Oct 8, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sarkisian has made huge strides with him as far as passing the ball and reading the opposing D
His football IQ has jumped considerably, he had issues before where he played more by instinct than thinking it. He would be smart to stay for his Senior year honestly, he could be the consensus top pick in the 2011 draft doing that.
As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Fewell, common sense says to play UP on the line against the slant.
by WABillsfan on Oct 9, 2009 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The whole 2010-2011 QB situation is in a lot of flux, and Locker would be wise to see how others decide before he does. Specifically, he should wait until Bradford, Clausen, and Snead decide, if the time affords him that opportunity. He should opt for whichever draft 2 of the three don’t enter, mostly because I don’t think he’ll get picked prior to these three.
I think Clausen will declare, and Bradford will stay and Snead should stay due to his bad play this year. If that’s the case, he should declare, and would be the second to fourth QB selected, with Tony Pike and Tim Tebow as his competition.
If Bradford or Snead declares, he should wait.
by Der Jaeger on Oct 9, 2009 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’ve watched every notre dame game – as they are force fed to the midwest, and i cannot get my arms around the raging hormones for claussen. he’s decent, yeah. but he’s elevated to elite because his helmet is gold.
its really ridiculous the coverage and saliva that notre dame gets – the program has been less than average for over 10 years now. why? because rich alums pump obscene amounts of money into it. yawn. and that is supposed to make claussen a prime prospect?
notre dame has not put a decent qb in the NFL since joe montana. get over it.
by LeClaireBill on Oct 8, 2009 5:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that's why he's actually under rated
people love to hate ND (si.com especially) and tear them down at any given opperturnity. if clausen was on usc, ohio st, lsu, okla, florida…etc the country would love him.
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by J. Mackin on Oct 8, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree. I can't stand ND but have seen enough of Clausen to know that he is special.
Notre Dame would be incredibly ordinary [2-3] without him.
by NorthLeft12 on Oct 8, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
claussen is very good, no doubt. all i’m trying to get across is that he isn’t as good as the media portrays – just because he’s Touchdown Jesus’ QB. it is the same with florida and tebow, usc and who ever. major popular program that sells advertising – this qb is the bomb!
by LeClaireBill on Oct 8, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, we aren’t “the media,” not as you’re referring to them at least. This is coming from a small group of guys here, at this blog, who have watched Clausen. I’m pretty neutral when it comes to, oh, every college program out there – and so are most of the other guys, I think – and if they’re not, they definitely have the ability to be objective.
So hopefully, this carries a bit more weight. I don’t think we’re over-hyping Clausen here.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 8, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me put it this way; If there is one college program that I despise more than any other, it’s Notre Dame. I won’t go into the reasons why, but suffice to say that are legion. With that said, if Clausen is drafted by the Bills and turns into a stud QB, I will do an Irish jig that would make Micheal Flatley proud.
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by sireric on Oct 8, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Admit it sireric....you hate Notre Dame because of the Touchdown Jesus!!!!!
“The stadium is known for its view of “Touchdown Jesus”, a nickname given to the large mural by Millard Sheets of the resurrected Jesus entitled “The Word of Life”, located on Hesburgh Library, which looms over the stadium mirroring the raised arms of a referee signifying a touchdown. The stadium expansion had the side effect of partially obscuring the view of Touchdown Jesus from the field."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notre_Dame_Stadium
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by Joe P. on Oct 8, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is one of the legion, yes.
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by sireric on Oct 8, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good job son
buffalo’s lord of the dance lol
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by J. Mackin on Oct 9, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not an ND fan, but they are on TV a lot, so I watch. My team is Florida, so if anything, I’m biased to Tebow despite trying to be objective.
None of the past ND QB’s you listed matter. What matters is, when people evaluate Clausen, they see an NFL calibur QB with tremendous skills. I’d think the same of him whether he played at ND or Baylor or anywhere else. Playing at ND is only a factor if your considering his reaction to pressure, since ND is a pressure cooker for a QB.
by Der Jaeger on Oct 8, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I totally agree. I don’t think it’s at all relevant that Notre Dame players have been products of hype in the past. For starters, they aren’t the overrated program that they have been for the past decade or two. I know they go to a bigger bowl game than they deserve every year, but it isn’t like they start every year in the top 10 and are still mistaken for an elite program.
Legit scouts (not that we or other guys on the internet are anywhere close to scouts) don’t care what school a guy plays for. Colt McCoy is a guy who has had tons of hype and goes to Texas and most people think he’s a marginal NFL prospect.
I think the school argument can be made for places like USC or Jeff Tedford QBs or coaching staffs that have been in place a long time. But in what world does it matter that QBs at Notre Dame busted under Bob Davies, Ty WIllingham, Lou Holtz or whoever was before Holtz? Miami has a history of putting great players into the draft, does that make current Miami guys under Randy Shannon more likely to succeed?
And I’m a Notre Dame hater by the way.
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by kaisertown on Oct 8, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. I was thinking about the Miami analogy a little while ago. 10 years ago, you could argue that Miami’s practice seesions produced more NFL players than some college programs. But that means nothing in terms of Miami right now.
I’m just going by what I see in games regarding Clausen.
by Der Jaeger on Oct 8, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree. They do matter, in the perspective that many have posted that winning qb’s come from winning programs.
Or, something along that ill logic line.
So we could plug Tebow in at Vandy and he’d be great? We could plug Bradford in at Baylor and he’d be great?
We could plug McCoy in at Texas School For The Blind and he’d be great?
BS.
The point I am hoping to make, is that “great” college qbs are “great” – because they play on really good teams.
Football, last I checked, is a TEAM sport. QB’s get too much of the credit for winning, and too much of the blame for losing.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but Tim Tebow will be a forgotten NFL entity within 2 years. The list of U of Florida qb’s – or Urban Meyer qb’s that flamed out in the NFL is long and quite undistinguished.
by LeClaireBill on Oct 8, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree
Joe Flacco College Record:
-2 years at Pitt are irrelevant; completed one pass for 11 yards
-2 years a Deleware: 13-9
Derek Anderson: 26-11 at Oregon State
David Garrard: 23-13 at East Carolina
Jay Cutler: 11-34 at Vanderbilt
According to your line of thinking, none of these QB’s should have been drafted because they really didn’t play on good college teams. Scouts look at individual player talent, not if teams are good or not.
Regarding Tebow, that’s your opinion which isn’t based on Tebow’s actual talent level but on the history of QB’s at Florida and under Urban Meyer. Which, again, has nothing to do with Tebow’s capabilities and limitations as an individual player.
by Der Jaeger on Oct 8, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think there is some confusion over the team and individual performance.
NFL scouts are looking at college QBs who have the tools to be successful in the NFL. Those abilities are easier to see if that QB is on a high profile team that is at the top of the polls. But, there are other QBs who have shown that they have the potential to be NFL starters without winning a lot of games or putting up ridiculous numbers because of the teams they play for.
So, after reading your posts over, I guess I agree with Der J.
by NorthLeft12 on Oct 9, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep an eye on
Nevada’s Colin Kaepernick—rocket arm with some touch
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