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Who should the Bills draft during Rd's 1,2 for the 2010 NFL Draft

I would like to get all those who are true Buffalo Bills fans thoughts and opinions on next years picks for the upcoming 2010 NFL Draft. In my opinion I feel we need a really good Defensive lineman to help the DE's put more pressure on the QB's, and it helps the on field LB's make plays and produces more turn overs for our CB's and Safeties in the secondary. This would be my 1st Rd Pick. 1st Rd Pick-Gerald McCoy DT Oklahoma-primary pic Then I would really look hard at our Offensive line, the LT position has hurt us with the departure of Jason Peters hey I understand Mr. Wilson view about making and saving a buck but sometimes Sir you have to bite the bullet and take one for the team in order for the team to do what they need to do each week to keep the fans coming through the stadium entrance way. This half of the season has been a learning experience for the two Rookie Offensive lineman and now that the bye week is over it's time to take what you have learned and put it to use gentlemen!!! 2nd Rd Pick-Ciron Black LT LSU-primary pick ( 2nd Rd Pick-Dan LeFevour-primary pick/via a trade ( do not sleep on this guy have watched him play and he reminds me of "Big Ben's throwing power/accuracy and he runs like the white version of the late Steve "Air" McNair).

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Yikes. Not only do I think trying to guess draft picks at this juncture is extremely premature, but I think some of your round projections (Tony Pike and especially Ryan Mallett would go far earlier than the third round, and Juice Williams might not even get drafted) are way off.

Right now, the only thing we can do is talk positions of weakness and prospects in general.

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by Brian Galliford on Nov 10, 2009 9:04 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah, right now it’s impossible to tell exactly where teams will be drafting, so we really have to wait until at least week 14 or so before draft positions get solidified and we start making predictions.

On your draft I would keep Tackle and QB at the top of the list (probably a good RT in the first round and a QB in the second round/trade up for a LeFevour, Bradford, whoever is left really.) After that, we can deal with LB and Defensive Line.

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by UZ on Nov 10, 2009 9:12 PM EST reply actions  

As long as we know that it’s too early to accurately talk specifics about the offseason, then I don’t think it’s ever too early to mock draft.

Here’s a few Bills salary facts that I’d bet people don’t know:

Last year, Buffalo finished 16th in salary (that’s base salaries and bonuses) and had the 4th highest salary in the entire league in 2007.

The 2009 numbers aren’t out there yet, so only the New Orleans Saints have spent more money on players in each of the last two seasons.

Atlanta, Baltimore, Carolina, Cincy, Denver, Detroit, Green Bay, Houston, Indy, Kansas City, Philly, San Diego, Seattle and Tampa Bay (14 teams) have spent less money than Buffalo in two straight seasons.

Ralph Wilson is not half as cheap as people think he is. Jason Peters was not traded because Ralph Wilson didn’t want to pay him.

USA Today provides the salary info:
http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/teamresults.aspx?team=3

And onto the offseason:

I’m fine with going with a defensive lineman in the first round if it’s a best available situation and if there isn’t a stud QB available. This team cannot pass on a top notch QB. If a stud like McCoy is sitting there, it would be really tough to not take him.

I don’t think Ciron Black can handle the left side at the next level. I think he could become a star RT very quickly, but unless we’re comfortable with Bell, I’d rather grab someone with lighter, quicker feet than Black.

I don’t understand the fascination around here with Dan LeFevour. He won’t be drafted anywhere near the 2nd round. He’s a mid rounder at best. More likely to go in the 6th round than the 2nd round.

I’ve seen LeFevour play twice this year. The first time was against Michigan State and I came away very impressed with his arm strength, but he didn’t throw down the field. HIs arm strength looks much better than it is because a ball thrown 10 yards looks a lot harder than a ball thrown 30 yards downfield. When I watched him play UB, I came away pretty unimpressed with his arm strength.

If people think Edwards doesn’t throw downfield enough, then I don’t understand why anybody would want LeFevour. Trent’s yards per completion for this season is a little over 10.8. LeFevour’s is 10.5 and he hasn’t had a number higher than 11.1 since his freshman season. That’s also against crappy MAC defenses where his weapons (Bryan Anderson, Antonio Brown) are some of the best in the conference.

LeFevour’s completion % and low INT numbers are largely due to the simple and safe offense that lead to those low yards per completion numbers. It’s all bubble screens, slants, 5 yard curls, drag routes and other easy reads, simple throws and short gainers. He puts up big yardage numbers by throwing the ball 30 times a game, but typically has stinkers against decent compitition.

I also think his athleticism is overrated due to the spread runs. He’s not a guy who buys time and chucks one down the field like Big Ben or Romo. He uses designed runs and short scrambles to pick up yardage.

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by kaisertown on Nov 10, 2009 11:06 PM EST reply actions  

He doesn’t break his shoulder every time he falls down.

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by UZ on Nov 11, 2009 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Sam Bradford in the First

I think he could fall as far as 10th. I truly feel with our remaining schedule, that we will be picking in the top 10. He is very accurate with a better arm then given credit for, has enough mobility to escape the rush, and reads defenses well. There is one thing he does that puts him in elite class as far as I am concerned. This one thing is what Brady, Manning, and all of the other great QB’s do. It is the main reason Edwards will never be more than a good backup in this league. It is the ability to anticipate a wr coming open and make an accurate throw. This is the main reason QB’s become great. NFL defenses are too big, too fast, too well coached to not have this skill. If you watch tape on most of the great like Montana and Marino they all had this ability. It is the reason that Cutler will never be elite( he has all of the physical tools). His shoulder injury is not a big deal. It is an injury that he can recover fully from. Draft experts just like to over kill injuries going into the draft process just to have something to talk about. The only legitimate complaint I’ve heard about Bradford is his pocket presense. From what I’ve seen watching probably 14 games of his is I think he feels the pressure just fine and steps up well. I think he is just too much of a competitor and leader to not take a soht to make a play. I have done some research on the other QB’s coming out (I am a huge Notre Dame fan), but I just get a bad feeling about Clauden. I feel like he is peeking now. I do not see him becoming that much better than he is now. The only other QB that does intrigue me is Ryan Mallett, but he is extremely raw and I havenot seen enough of him to give an informed decision.

by The Irishman on Nov 10, 2009 11:50 PM EST reply actions  

though its obviously not a position of need (relative to others),

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by NordicBillsfan on Nov 11, 2009 12:42 AM EST reply actions  

Actually

I’d say WR will be a rather sizable need. With TO and Reed in the final year of their contracts, Roscoe on the way out, and Hardy/Johnson having proven very little, the Bills are definitely going to need to upgrade and add to their WR group. A vet and a rookie will need to be brought in, IMO.

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by Kurupt on Nov 11, 2009 1:21 AM EST up reply actions  

I’ve got to think that they’re working on Reed’s contract as we speak though. The guy comes up big when it counts even if he’s not a #2. And either Hardy or Johnson should fill that #2 spot, hopefully competently. I fear that if we go after a vet WR as the #2, we’ll never see what Hardy and Johnson can do. Not opposed to drafting a WR late to fill Roscoe’s shoes, though.

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by WhyBillsWhy on Nov 11, 2009 8:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Couldn’t agree more, K. I would like to see TO come back for another year, under a different system and with a different coach. I think he’s still a legitimate threat, but not with this current setup.

WhyBills…I don’t think Reed should be a priority because, while dependable for a 1st down, he’s no threat to score more than once every few years. I like him, but wouldn’t see him as a priority. They need playmakers, guys who at least play differently than the ones on the roster now.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 11, 2009 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

definately agree here...

I would love to have TO come back next year as well. He has the ablility to make plays, still has his speed. As for Reed like TAT said… he picks up first downs, really good hands, doesnt do anything stupid to hurt our team… but he is not a threat. I wouldnt mind him coming back at all but 3rd and 4th receviers are a dime a dozen in this league. Every week there is a no name recevier making plays and going for over 100 yards in a game. Thats something I just dont see Reed doing. As consistant as he is. You can find 40-50 catches for 500 yards and 1 score a year somewhere else… and probably someone with more speed.

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by bflo on Nov 11, 2009 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Disagree

Something both of you guys have said is that Reed picks up first downs – why would you not want a guy like that as you slot receiver?! Picking up first downs keeps drives alive and gives our D more time to rest, something we’ve not been able to do this year. Even though he may not have game breaking speed, Reed knows how to find that open spot in the zone, and I view him as our Wes Welker-lite.

Wouldn’t you rather see that free agent $$ go to an offensive lineman, LB, or some other position of need? I don’t think Reed gets enough credit for what he does – he’s definitely not a #2 (that’ll be Johnson, Hardy, or a FA next year) but I think he’s as solid a #3 as there is in the league.

by Andy Boron on Nov 11, 2009 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I understand what youre saying and I know thats where he is valuable. But hes not on the field as much as he has been in years passed. Mainly due to our inability to stay on the field as an offense. But I guess where I would like to see a new face in there would be because someone that can pick up the first downs like him but also have the speed to turn that 7 yard streak for a first down like Reed does now into a touchdown. Reed isnt pulling away from any defenders… hasnt his whole career. And I know thats what he is being asked to do, but if we can bring someone in that can pick up the first down but also be able to take it to the house would be an upgrade. Not trying to knock on Reed cuz hes done alot of positive things since hes been here… but that added ability to go the distance would be a nice addition. Obivously easier said that done in finding that player to do that… But I would not be mad at all if we kept him.

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by bflo on Nov 11, 2009 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

haha Wes Welker-lite. Is that like hes our free version of that app for iPhone?

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by bflo on Nov 11, 2009 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I would rather not have Reed back if only to learn what we really have in Steve Johnson.

Between, what, six receivers right now? nelson, shouman, jackson, lynch….
I actually think we could do without Parrish and Reed. If TO is not resigned I say we bring in another vet opposite Evans (and assuming Hardy doesn’t particularly impress the second half…)

by dav630 on Nov 11, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Hardys play over the next 8 weeks are crucial in determining what we do at WR in the off-season. Nothing can be really decided until we see what we have with the unprovens (Johnson and Hardy).

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by bflo on Nov 11, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

If Reed is going to command a “huge” amount of money, then I think you let him walk. If not, he should definitely stay. I don’t see him as a standout at the position, but he’s also never a liability out there.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 11, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey K or anyone else...

Do you know a site that shows the list of this years upcoming free agents in the NFL by position… Thought the easiest way to look that up would be on NFL.com but couldnt find anything. Figured you guys might know another site that lists that?

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by bflo on Nov 11, 2009 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

http://www.footballsfuture.com/freeagents.html

But remember to take into account the salary cap situation. Anyone under 6 years of experience will be a RFA if no cap is in place.

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by MattRichWarren on Nov 11, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Alright cool. Thanks for the site and that tip… i forgot about that. Now as a RFA Im guessing its the same as in hockey?

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by bflo on Nov 11, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

RFA means the teams have to tender an offer or the player becomes a free agent. If the player is tendered, the team has the right to match any offer he receives. If they lose out of the player, the original team gets a certain draft pick in compensation from the team that signed him based on how much the original team offered. It can be up to a first and third round pick.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restricted_Free_Agent

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by MattRichWarren on Nov 11, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

to be totally honest I’ve never realized they use RFA’s in the NFL…

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by bflo on Nov 11, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

wow

how great would it be to get vincent jackson?

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by silverstreak3k on Nov 12, 2009 1:08 AM EST up reply actions  

kffl.com usually has a pretty extensive list. Scout.com too. Just google 2010 NFL Free Agents and you should get a bunch of sites.

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by Kurupt on Nov 12, 2009 1:01 AM EST up reply actions  

WR Nooooo!!!!!!

I think we can get someone during the free agency period. Why waste a 1st or 2nd Rd pick on a wideout then next thing you know during the begining of the season he’s like Hardy. Go ahead look at whats left on the board depending on the Bills draft placement is and lets see if we can either wheel or deal, hell send Lynch to Kansas City or Cleveland and Parrish to God know’s where that will bewilling to give us either their 2nd and 3rd pick or their 3rd and 4th Rd pick.

by KHWALA72 on Nov 11, 2009 2:21 AM EST reply actions  

He didn’t say WR in the first. At least Kurupt didn’t. He’s right we will need another body or two in the WR corps.

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by MattRichWarren on Nov 11, 2009 8:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree about needing another WR

Though I would really like to see how Hardy/Johnson pan out. But if Reed/TO are not resigned and clearly Parrish is done that would still only leave us with 3 WR (no I don’t count Jenkins).
I would really like to see the picks go to the defensive side of the ball or if by years end LT/RT is still a concern then a pick there.

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by Ghetts on Nov 11, 2009 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Even if Hardy/Johnson pan out we’ll need bodies.

Evans, Hardy, Johnson, and Parrish are the only guys under contract for next year.

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by MattRichWarren on Nov 11, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Sam BradFord in the 1st!!

I can see that happening but remember if we pick we need to get a Defensive lineman in the 2nd Rd maybe we could look at Marvin Austin DT North Carolina or Ciron Black LT LSU or Jason Fox LT Miami, hell you guys missed out on my cousin William Beatty last yr.

by KHWALA72 on Nov 11, 2009 2:27 AM EST reply actions  

no need for a WR when we don't throw it

a lot of teams around the league have had success with young WR’s, they just have much better QB’s. If you where to put stevie and parish and lee on a team with Brady or Favre they would be way better.

I agree with the post A stud DT or LB and id like to try to pick up pike in the 2nd then get some O-line help

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by billsoferie on Nov 11, 2009 8:43 AM EST reply actions  

DT and LB

We are the worst team versus the run in the NFL and have only 1NFL All Star at either position – Marcus Stroud, who is >30 yrs old.

With the Jets and Dolphins run games in our division, we need to get bigger and tougher in the front 7 to stop the run.

With resigning McGee, we should be Ok in the backfield.

Would prefer we sign a veteran QB in FA and bolster Oline the same way.

Gerald McCoy and Brandon Spikes for me

by freddyjj on Nov 11, 2009 8:49 AM EST reply actions  

yes.

Bradford is the only QB in this draft that I am completely sold on. I like Colt McCoy and Tony Pike but I worry about them too. LeFevour doesn’t look like a starter to me and I don’t get why Locker is so popular. I will also admit to a bit of a man-crush on Case Keenum, but he’s already said he will return for his senior season.

Maybe we give Edwards another year, sign a decent vet to compete and because Trent will likely be hurt again at some point.. but wait for someone like Keenum, who has all the intangibles in the world.

I do like the DTs available… A LOT. Suh is not getting enough pub, and he gets a good amount. Looking at this draft, I will assume that Bradford is gone and say BUF’s priorities should be DT, LB…

I don’t mind Spikes. I think his eye-gauging days are behind and I’d really like a nasty attitude somewhere on our defense. Plus he won’t get run over. Our “fast” linebackers seem pretty adept at running themselves out of the play and opening up enormous cut-back lanes.
I think about Maybin, Stroud, Suh/McCoy, Schobel… Spikes, Poz, Mitchell/Ellison/Harris… McGee,McKelvin, Byrd, Whitner/Scott… and at least on paper that looks like a top defense.

by dav630 on Nov 11, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree with that projected/hopeful defense, except Mitchell. I wouldnt mind us parting ways with him. Either DT would be a nice addition and I want Spikes on this team. He just feels like a player that could be elite in this league IMO.

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by bflo on Nov 11, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

If Suh drops down to us!!!!!

I would go nuts because this guys is a Defensive Beast. He reminds me of Big Gilbert who played DT for Green Bay. But I must say the lineup you have in your comment box is on point in my eyes.

by KHWALA72 on Nov 11, 2009 8:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Suh will be gone by pick 5.

I still haven’t seen any proof that Sam "Twisted Shoulders’’ Bradford will be a good NFL quarterback, except for all the drool people seem to get all over him… for no reason. Hell, I’d rather have Mallett!

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by UZ on Nov 11, 2009 10:57 PM EST up reply actions  

things keep up we might be picking at five. hope not.

by dav630 on Nov 12, 2009 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Definitely agree

I would love a DT in the first round. I think Stroud can still play a good couple years, but he would definitely be much more of a force with a really good DT next to him and also an improved rotation with Johnson/Williams as reserves.
I’ll wait to see on how our offensive tackle position improves to see about the 2nd roud. But if it continues to improve then I would love to see a LB in the 2nd.

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by Ghetts on Nov 11, 2009 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Brandon Spikes if hes on the board and we’re not in the top 8. The guy is simply a freak… and we could use that on our D.

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by bflo on Nov 11, 2009 9:08 AM EST reply actions  

I have read from more than 1 draft page that Spikes will not test well at the combine, probably his 40 time, and could drop to late in the first round or even second, like Poz and DeMeco Ryans and Rey Mau did

by louiethegent on Nov 11, 2009 9:29 AM EST up reply actions  

That would be awesome if he fell. But I dont need a combine to know that hes a nasty football player. Obviously him falling would help greatly since we need more than a LB but idk who else when I hear their name I think… Man he would be a good fit here. QB in the first round? Maybe but again no one im in love with… As long as the right players are taken and they can help us get better from this year I guess thats all you can ask for.

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by bflo on Nov 11, 2009 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I’d prefer they pursue DeMeco Ryans. He’s proven his abilities and may be available (fingers crossed).

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 11, 2009 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Too bad he won't be available

Why in the world would Houston let him get away?

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by Kurupt on Nov 12, 2009 1:02 AM EST up reply actions  

We need more eye-gougers on our team

That was the dirtiest play I’ve seen all year, and Spikes is now someone I don’t want on this team even if he is a gifted athlete. You really want to root for a guy who other teams will hate as much as we hate Vince Wilfork?

by Andy Boron on Nov 11, 2009 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

something like that you gotta get passed though. It was a stupid play. He knew he messed up. Coaches “suspended” him for the first half against Vandy and he decided to take himself out completely. I am not saying what he did was right in any way. But the kids got heart and talent and those two things are very needed on this team right now. And yes because he’ll be our guy. You think pats fans dont root for Wilfork because other teams fans dont like him?

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by bflo on Nov 11, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Still

That wasn’t a heat of the moment type of play which you can say are more of Wilforks dirty moves. That was just a blatant, I want to hurt someones eye (which is the most difficult thing to heal btw). Even if you get past that, he becomes a liability to do somethign stupid in the NFL and get suspended…

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by Ghetts on Nov 11, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

true but I dont think its a deciding factor on bringing/not bringing someone in. Look at what Haynesworth did to that Cowboys O-Lineman. That was much worse and no one would have been opposed to bringing him in. Obviously different comparing a draft pick to a player in the NFL but I dont think its a factor when deciding if he should be playing here or not.

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by bflo on Nov 11, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

im calling bs on this one

wilfork stepped on losman right? how is that less of an offense then sticking your fingers in someones facemask? its his first on field altercation, and hes been a great team player and leader on one of the best defenses in the ncaa right now. youd be insane to say that a kid thats 22 made a mistake on the field that should haunt him for his pro career. especially during a game he said he got spit on and his helmet was yanked off twice. if any act is the heat of the moment, spikes was….. and he was smart enough to pull his hand out and not even make contact with the rb.

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by silverstreak3k on Nov 12, 2009 1:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Wilfork was falling down and threw his elbow into Losman’s knee on the way where he could have avoided that.

Albert Haynesworth is the guy that stomped on an opponent’s facemask.

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by MattRichWarren on Nov 12, 2009 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually....
Albert Haynesworth is the guy that stomped on an opponent’s facemask.

Albert Haynesworth is the guy that stomped on an opponent’s facemask.

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by Kurupt on Nov 12, 2009 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

oh right….

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by MattRichWarren on Nov 12, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m with you on Spikes. It’s a pretty big red flag.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 11, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

What??????

Have we forgotten about all of TO’s red flags or Marshawn Lynch aka Hit N Run. This kid skrewed up did he know it yes did the coaches do anything about it and he was forced to sit against a good team and not some community college either. Hell maybe we need to get nasty. Hell when I played football in the Marin Corps I would give my coach a quota for the number of opponents I was going to send to the hospital. And yes I made my quota and then some so having a mean streak is not a bad thing but you still have to do it in good taste to be respected. Dick Butkus, Mel Blount, Ronnie Lott, Steve Atwater

by KHWALA72 on Nov 11, 2009 8:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Marshawn and TO weren’t gouging eyes out.

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by UZ on Nov 11, 2009 10:59 PM EST up reply actions  

this is ridiculous

spikes didnt “gouge” out any eyes. he didnt even touch washauns face

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by silverstreak3k on Nov 12, 2009 1:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Brad Butler

Was suspended for throwing a groin shot at a BC d-lineman (Ron Brace, I think …).

Should we get rid of him too?

One play does not define a players career … not one like that …

by sabre74kkn on Nov 11, 2009 1:01 PM EST reply actions  

BC guys still talk about that play when they hear his name.

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by MattRichWarren on Nov 11, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

It looks like karma caught up with Butler when he hit the NFL.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 11, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Spikes >>>>> any LB on our roster

But hey, this organization can keep passing stud players for mediocre average ones.

Again, one incident on the field does not equal character problems.

by sabre74kkn on Nov 11, 2009 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Butler tried to shred Kiwanuka's knees

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by Kurupt on Nov 12, 2009 1:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Cody!

To me, the sucker is the person who runs when there’s trouble, especially when this situation was so easily foreshadowed….

by poz on Nov 11, 2009 1:31 PM EST reply actions  

Love him

He just needs to lean foward and the play is stuffed. May be we can use a Jedi mind trick to let Suh fall to us in the first and use a Sith mind thing to get Cody in the second.

by Ono on Nov 11, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

when i was a kid

i spent an hour trying to move a Super Nintendo controller with my mind after a Star War marathon with my brother. After I failed I permanently gave up trying Jedi mind tricks. Apparently you have to dedicate yourself for an entire lifetime to learn how to use them. I thought this was the high speed information age!!!

To me, the sucker is the person who runs when there’s trouble, especially when this situation was so easily foreshadowed….

by poz on Nov 11, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

+1 on Cody

Would love to see in the first 3 rounds (in no particular order):

LB, DT, another LB (or OL)

by sabre74kkn on Nov 11, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Very difficult question to ask at this point of time, though it goes without saying that we’re clearly lacking the QB of the future, which is hurting our chances of making much out of our vast offensive talent. If Sam Bradford is available at the seventh or eigth spot, which is where I expect us to draft at, I sure he hope he’s the pick, as I’ve been a long-time believer that he’s going to be one hell of a pro QB. I love the versatility of Jake Locker, though he – like Ryan Mallett – desperately needs more experience.
In the second round, I’d trade up for a guy like Terrence Mount Cody, who might very well fall longer than he should in the draft given his questionable work-ethic and somewhat inconsistent motor; all this being said, he’s a monster run-stopper and will immidiately clog our middle.

by BillsfanfromDenmark on Nov 11, 2009 2:52 PM EST reply actions  

Hmm…I think Brian was right when so much can still change with available players, draft order, and priorities of the teams in front of us.

I’d like to see the Bills actually try to trade down and pick up an extra second. This draft seems like it will be very top heavy with QBs and a handful of other guys – I think a DT (would love McCoy but he should be gone by the time the Bills select), OT (through some miracle, Okung falls to BFLO, or maybe Brown from USC), or maybe Bradford (not sold on him surviving behind our OL – but he is amazingly accurate, which we haven’t had in a long time) would be a decent first round get, or if we trade down a pass-rushing end (Hardy?), OL (C Black wouldn’t be bad – as a RT, we could move Butler inside and Wood to C, but have to leave Bell out at LT) or a OLB (Travis Lewis, Sergio Kindle both come to mind). Good thing – we have so many holes to fill, nearly any of these guys would be an upgrade. Bad thing – there are so many holes to fill, hard to hone in on who/what to target.

Would love Rolando McClain from Bama, much more so than Spikes, but I just don’t know if we’d go LB that high. Unless we switch to a 3-4.

by T McGee on Nov 11, 2009 8:37 PM EST reply actions  

The problem with drafting defense first is that there are very few elite D players in the draft. Suh, Berry, McCoy… not much more than that. And it is foolish in my eyes to draft a Linebacker up near the top 10 when there will be so many available in the 2nd round. Personally I think they either have to get a new Tackle or get a new QB in the first round, those are the two positions that will be drained early on and they might not have any options in the 2nd.

Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.

by UZ on Nov 11, 2009 11:02 PM EST reply actions  

linebackers always fall on draft day. Just look at Rey Rey in Cincy.

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by MattRichWarren on Nov 12, 2009 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Totally agree. I think McClain is the top LB in the draft, and should go in the teens. After that, I think a lot of these guys will, as you say, fall down the board.

On the elite players, I just don’t see a lot of elite players on either side. Some QB’s with nice upside, but not, to my mind, dazzling. I think there may be more ‘elite’ OL that could start on Day One than any other position in this draft. DBs, LBs, WRs, RBs, TEs – they all seem to have one or two high-level players, but beyond that it’s just a big band of similarly talented players. That’s why I think the Bills can trade down – maybe for a team that’s desperate for a Mallet or Tebow – and pick up a lot of value in the second and third.

by T McGee on Nov 12, 2009 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

maybe for a team that’s desperate for a Mallet or Tebow

Like us? Just kidding…sort of….

To me, the sucker is the person who runs when there’s trouble, especially when this situation was so easily foreshadowed….

by poz on Nov 12, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

They should draft O-Lineman and maybe Tebow

Preferably tackles in the first two rounds. You can debate over a Q.B but i really don’t think any are that great. If I had my pick at one it would be Tebow, I think he has the most upside. Since Bills draft a lot of projects, this is one I would take a shot on. If he makes it out of the 1st I’d try to move up from the third and grab him. I would take two tackles prior to him. Unfortunately, I believe Tebow is too talented to make it out of the 1st, or even top 15. A solid team like Minnesota or New England I see taking him in the 1st, for their future. Teams like these do not need to draft impact players and players that can contribute right away, so this allows them to build for the future. Tebow sitting a year behind Favre could really help his development.

by csc06258 on Nov 12, 2009 12:04 AM EST reply actions  

Tebow

Id love Tebow as a 2nd round pick but I just can’t imagine him falling that far.

by NordicBillsfan on Nov 12, 2009 3:57 PM EST reply actions  

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