Notes from the Bills' O-Line: Mid-Season Analysis
Editor's note, by Brian Galliford: For those of you who've been around Buffalo Rumblings long enough to know how this blog operates, you'll know that what you're about to read isn't my work. I'm all for doing oodles of research, but nobody dedicates themselves to their specific craft as thoroughly as Ron From NM, our resident Buffalo Bills offensive line guru. What follows is his incredibly in-depth analysis of the Bills' offensive line play through the first eight games of the season. Take it away, Ron. End Note
We've reached the midway point of the season and, as threatened promised, here's a look at where the line stands by the numbers. Just to add to the nerdiness factor, I'm taking a stab at inserting charts and pie graphs. [Ed. note: Nerd.] The good news is that, if they actually make it into the story, they do make it easier to spot trends. One trend I looked at carefully was the charge that the line has been inconsistent. The overall grades for the interior linemen (75.8% on run plays, 73.6% on pass plays) and tackles (74.6% on run plays and 72.9% on pass plays) at first blush argue for mediocre consistency. So, without further ado, here's all you need to know about the play of Demetrius Bell, Andy Levitre, Geoff Hangartner, Eric Wood, Brad Butler, Jonathan Scott, Kirk Chambers, Jamon Meredith and Seth McKinney after eight games.
I plugged in Scott's adventure at left tackle in Miami under Bell's numbers and turned an amalgamation [Ed. note: nerd] of Butler, Scott, Meredith and Chambers into "RT guys." The numbers don't really look all that bad in a chart - feel free to do so yourselves on your own free time - but a graph highlights the inconsistency.

Does that chart just scream inconsistency to you, too? Well, read on and take another look.
Are you surprised to see that the tackles are the least volatile of the positions? I sure was. With the exception of the game in Foxboro, Bell has ranged from about 75% to about 77%. Whomever the Bills have had at RT has been between 72% to 74% five of the eight weeks. Think about that for a second. The Bills have rotated four different bodies through the right tackle position, but haven't cratered in the run game. I'm not sure if the coaching deserves credit or if the goo at the bottom of the barrel is all pretty much the same.
Hangartner has been relatively consistent, too. He turned in a good game against the Browns, but otherwise has ranged between 72% to 75%. More troubling is that he seems to be on a gradual downhill slide. This bears watching as the year rolls along. If he can't get the job done, then I wouldn't be surprised to see the Bills eventually shift Wood to the center and go guard hunting in the offseason.
The guys making the chart look so volatile are the guards, Levitre and Wood. Levitre has led or tied the team in run grading five of the eight weeks. He cratered in Carolina, when he tied for the worst. Other than that, the only guy to top him has been Wood. Wood has tied or graded highest four of the eight weeks. He put together back to back poor (for him - still almost 74%, so we're not talking disasters) games in Miami and against Cleveland.
Clearly, the Bills need Wood and Levitre to even out their performances and consistently turn in good games - the offense can't be consistent when interior linemen turn in subpar performances three of four weeks. The tackles and centers, on the other hand, need to raise the overall level of their performances. "Consistency is only a virtue if you're not a screw up." (www.despair.com)
Additionally, the Bills' offensive linemen need to work on not killing run plays. While Levitre, for example, has generally been Buffalo's best offensive lineman on run plays, when he screws the pooch, he goes all out. Here's a look at who is killing run plays:
| Bell | Levitre | Hangartner | Wood | Scott | Meredith | Chambers | McKinney |
| 1 | 7 | 4 | 3 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 1 |

As you can see, the interior linemen account for 70% of the killed run plays. Again, it appears to be the sudden mental/physical lapse in otherwise solid-though inconsistent-play. Overall, the line has killed 20 of 189 (10.6%) of run plays.
Pass plays
As with the run plays, I plugged in Scott's nightmare day at left tackle in Miami into Bell's column. The RT guys is again a compilation of substandard outings by Butler, Scott, Meredith and Chambers. The numbers look bad whether in raw form or in graph form, so we'll keep the fanciness rolling with the graph.

I'm kind of amazed at how closely the RT and LT tackle lines parallel one another. Bad days at the tackle position in Foxboro turned into reasonable outings before cratering in Miami - only to shoot back up against Cleveland. The bright spot at tackle is that that awful performance in Miami doesn't belong to Bell. If you extrapolate only Bell's games, what you see is a gradual upward trend. The RT position still appears to be subject to wild swings, which isn't all that surprising given the constant rotation of ‘guys' on an almost weekly basis.
It's interesting (to me anyway) to see that Hangartner seems to be on a slight upward trend in the passing game when he seems to be headed the other direction on run plays. I'm not very surprised to see that he's not bouncing from good to bad, but staying within the 72% to 74% band.
As with the run game, Levitre and Wood appear to be erratic. Each of them have been the highest graded (or tied) pass protector three out of eight weeks. However, Wood was the worst (or tied) three other weeks, while Levitre was the worst (or tied) two weeks. The good news is that the guards seem to be holding in the 73% to 75% range, so hopefully they become more consistent as they gain experience.
It's sad but it's true. The line has been even worse at killing pass plays than run plays.
| Bell | Levitre | Hangartner | Wood | Scott | Meredith | Chambers | McKinney | Butler |
| 7 | 6 | 9 | 5 | 6 | 1 | 4 | 0 | 2 |

The line has combined to kill 40 of 254 plays (15.8%). Some of those are tipped passes, some are thrown away, some are bad passes because the quarterback can't step into the throw and so on. What can't go ‘on' is for the line to keep killing pass plays. As you can see, everyone has gotten in on the action. Speaking of which, here are the sack numbers:
| Bell | Levitre | Hangartner | Wood | Scott | Meredith | Chambers | McKinney | Butler |
| 3 | 1 | 4 | 2 | 3.5 | 0 | 2.5 | 0 | 1 |

Here you can see that the tackles have allowed 10 sacks, with the interior linemen giving up 7. I'd say that it's a good thing that Trent Edwards is right-handed, given that Bell has given up 3 of those 10 sacks, while Scott gave up 1.5 sacks playing LT in Miami. Therefore, Buffalo's QBs have been crunched almost equally by defenders beating either tackle.
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Fantastic work.........
I’m a mathmatical person….so I love the graphs. By the looks of it, at least wood and levitre look to be good young Olinemen. Wish the line as a whole could be more consistant. lets hope the play improves as the season goes on.
How many years can we go without making the playoffs...eventually the odds go in your favor.........right?!?!?
by Rudy916 on Nov 14, 2009 1:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Fantastic
~K
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by Kurupt on Nov 14, 2009 1:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Terrific work, Ron, as always. If only our O-line paid as close attention to the detail as you do, we’d be just fine.
by BillsfanfromDenmark on Nov 14, 2009 1:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ron you deserve aknighthood for going through all this analysis
It does look like the line is gradually improving though
The past is fixed, the future is unknown, try dealing with the present!
by gregeng on Nov 14, 2009 1:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely amazing. My english is not good enough to praise you enough for your work.
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by Chriz on Nov 14, 2009 2:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ron.....you da man!!!!!
If he (Hang) can’t get the job done, then I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Bills eventually shift Wood to the center and go guard hunting in the offseason.
I was never sold on Hang when we signed him. For some reason, the Bills seem to think they can take another teams’ backups and make them starters. IMO, we need to draft 2 more starting Olinemen this year, a LT and a RG.
"Are the Bills better than we think, or do they just suck the life out of most teams they play and drag them down to their level? - oompaloompa
by Joe P. on Nov 14, 2009 3:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Actually, if you look closely at Ron’s truly amazing analysis you see that Bell is doing pretty well and is on an upward trend. That would suggest that the Bills will probably not need a new LT. But it does seem that it would be a good thing to move Wood to Center and add another Guard, although there is also Brad Butler who will be returning next year (whether the team can count on him is the big question).
by Macktruck on Nov 14, 2009 6:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would let Bell and the newly drafted LT battle for the postion.
You know…..competition at a position to bring out the best in both. Loser is RT and backup LT if there was a lengthy injury. Win Win.
"Are the Bills better than we think, or do they just suck the life out of most teams they play and drag them down to their level? - oompaloompa
by Joe P. on Nov 14, 2009 7:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bell is trending upward on pass plays, not run plays. He’s on a slight decline on run plays though treading water might be a more accurate description.
I’m a Brad Butler fan and I absolutely would not count on him due to his extensive injury history. While I hope Butler starts and plays all season Buffalo has to have a guy who can step in and play with minimal drop off when Butler goes down.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
by Ron From NM on Nov 14, 2009 9:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Although treading water with scores ranging from 75 to 77 on your scale isn’t bad at all. As I read your graph Bell comes in as the third best run-blocker on the line behind the two Guards, but he is also more consistent than they are. And over the last four games you would have to call him our best pass blocker (since consistency is crucial when protecting the QB). All in all, that’s a pretty good showing for someone who has only played half a season at the most difficult position on the line.
by Macktruck on Nov 14, 2009 10:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know it’s early to say, but if Buffalo shifted Butler back inside and moved Wood to center, would Hang maybe be that guy who could adequately back up Butler? If the Bills went out and got a good tackle to play across from Bell, would you consider Scott an adequate 3rd OT? Too soon to tell?
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by kaisertown on Nov 14, 2009 11:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If Hang is to back up Butler then it would have to be under the assumption that Hang is a better guard than center….because he hasn’t yet become the next Kent Hull. Whomever backs up Butler will see playing time; Butler has missed series within games, games and now multiple seasons.
Scott, like Bell, is a work in progress. Scott’s numbers—against what is typically inferior competition—are below Bell’s. Assuming the numbers hold steady throughout the year I would be very disappointed if the Bills didn’t replace Scott with a better starting RT. If Scott doesn’t improve then I don’t know that he’s worth the roster spot. Pretty much everyone Buffalo has plugged in at RT has done about as well as Scott has.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
by Ron From NM on Nov 14, 2009 11:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So you are not an advocate of having Hang be the interior backup next season? I like the concept of Levitre, Wood, and Butler with Hang backing all of them up. Let a new draft pick, Bell, Meredith, and Scott take the reps at tackle. Not really anything earth shattering but an improvement.
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 15, 2009 9:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not an advocate but I’m not saying it’s a bad idea either. It’s just that Hang would have to do better at guard than he’s done at center. Maybe he’d be a great guard. Don’t get me wrong. I’m not pining for the days of Fowler/Preston. Hang absolutely represents an improvement over what Buffalo has had at the pivot for several years.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
by Ron From NM on Nov 15, 2009 9:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s just that Hang would have to do better at guard than he’s done at center
Well that’s why I want him as the backup. :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 16, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There are some guys working on health care...
… that could use your help. Awesome work.
by Der Jaeger on Nov 14, 2009 3:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Nah, this is way too straightforward to imply any ability to tackle health care….even if politics, payoffs and just flat out dishonesty were somehow magically removed from the equation.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
by Ron From NM on Nov 14, 2009 9:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if politics, payoffs and just flat out dishonesty were somehow magically removed from the equation.
if only.
Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!
by JPH on Nov 14, 2009 10:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is awesome...
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by Schmidtxc on Nov 14, 2009 4:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Great work Ron!
It would be interesting to see some trend lines, and their r-squared values. That would be one way to measure consistency. For instance I think the Bell’s run play data would fit well, showing a downward trend. And Hang’s pass play data would fit well, showing an upward trend. However, Bell’s pass play would show an upward trend, but probably with a poor fit.
Just eyeballing it, it is interesting that the whole line appears to have weakened on the run front and strengthened on the pass front. Perhaps that is a result of changing strategies and increasing run pressure? Any thoughts?
In addition, while we have to account for the fact that while the line might be getting better or worse, the opponents they face are not of a consistent (or even consistently increasing/decreasing) skill level. That would certainily increase the level of inconsistency of our line. It would be an interesting excercise to look at a player considered the best in the league in an O-line position and how much fluctuation they typically have in their performance. This could be used as a kind of normalization. In other words, the best players in the world have x variation in their performance based on the quality of the defence, so anything beyond that is attributable to the lineman themselves.
Again, great piece Ron.
by AussieBill on Nov 14, 2009 5:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The quality of the opponents isn’t something that we can ever control for. However, the way I see it is that it doesn’t matter. Buffalo’s linemen need to do their jobs whether they’re facing perpetual Pro Bowlers or 3rd string mutts no one has ever heard of.
In a whole other nerdy graph filled piece that I haven’t had time to write Buffalo’s running woes are actually more woeful than they might seem at first blush. The Bills almost never see 8 defenders in the box (TO Effect) and yet the linemen still can’t consistently execute their assignments. Given that Buffalo has played a lot of 2 TE and/or 2 RB sets the Bills generally have as many blockers as defenders in the box. Every time that happes the Bills should pick up 3ish yards minimum….but all too often come away with 2 or less. It will be interesting to see if that remains an issue or resolves as the linemen gain experience.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
by Ron From NM on Nov 14, 2009 10:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A+
Ron—-Do you recall the highest grade you have given for a single game, or more generally, what percentage is considered great? Does your day job include statistical interpretation?
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by thurman on Nov 14, 2009 5:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
nice Ron
I think this demonstrates that Bell COULD be the answer at LT. At the very least he could serviceable at RT.
What this all screams to me is moving Wood to C, Butler back to G, keep Levitre as is and draft a tackle to help out Bell. Meredith isnt all that bad though is he?
To me, the sucker is the person who runs when there’s trouble, especially when this situation was so easily foreshadowed….
by poz on Nov 14, 2009 6:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Why move Butler back to G?
Didn’t the Bills decide he was a better RT? Are Gs less likely to get injured?
I am with you on moving Wood to C and drafting a LT (see my post to Macktruck above).
"Are the Bills better than we think, or do they just suck the life out of most teams they play and drag them down to their level? - oompaloompa
by Joe P. on Nov 14, 2009 7:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe he is
I just still liked Butler better as a guard, but hten again, i havent seen too much of him at tackle now have i…ah, injury prone players. Nothing like having them all your crucial positions (QB, T, MLB)
To me, the sucker is the person who runs when there’s trouble, especially when this situation was so easily foreshadowed….
by poz on Nov 15, 2009 4:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you
for another awesome piece. Tthe new regime could use you. The current one can’t because it doesn’t understand a word of it. Jauron thinks the graphs are the asset allocation of the cash from his contract extension. “What’s a Meredith Mutual Fund”?
by fansince60 on Nov 14, 2009 7:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Actually....
….I can see Jauron in the bowels of Ralph Wilson Stadium late at night with far more impressive graphs taped to the walls mulling over how to pull together the improbable series of victories he needs to save his job.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
by Ron From NM on Nov 14, 2009 10:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There's a connection
between bowels and Jauron’s results all right.
by fansince60 on Nov 14, 2009 11:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if this will work....
Here’s one of my charts that didn’t make it into the article…
run grade pass gra
Bell 75.82353 73.06452
Levitre 76.92513 73.80952
Hang 73.62434 73.50394
Wood 76.82796 73.49802
Scott 74.42857 72.93103
Meredith 73.20896 72.3913
Chambers 72.71429 72.53846
McKinney 75 75
Butler 73.33333 73.22222
average 75.29567 73.32025
Three of the starters (Bell, Levitre and Wood) are a shade over 75 in the run game which is the bare bones minimum you’d want to see. Hang is an improvement over Fowler/Preston at 73 but not as much of an upgrade as we had hoped. None of the four guys playing RT have managed to crack the 75 barrier. The line as a whole grades out at a smidge over 75, which tracks with the overall mediocrity we’ve seen.
The 73ish range that all of the starters find themselves isn’t great but isn’t terrible in my grading system—it’s very hard to get enough good pass plays to overcome the inevitable bad pass plays so 75 isn’t terribly realistic. The 73 overall that the line has recorded could be better….but also could be far worse.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
by Ron From NM on Nov 14, 2009 10:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ron
In your opinion, do you think that Bell is the long term answer?
by The Irishman on Nov 14, 2009 10:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s too early to tell. (You knew I was going to say that…) Bell came into the league with minimal experience and is working through some growing pains. Time will tell if his athleticism pans out or if he’s just another gifted athlete who couldn’t cut it in the NFL.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
by Ron From NM on Nov 14, 2009 11:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what is mediocre?
what is very good? I have trouble putting 75 in perspective. Does a good O line grade at 80?
by jpheff on Nov 14, 2009 11:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The way Ron’s system works (please correct me if I’m wrong, anyone) is as follows: 75 for a decent block – not moving the defender or getting moved himself. 95 for a good block – pancake or taking the defender completely out of the way etc. 55 for a bad block – missed assignment, wiff etc. It is far easier for the linemen to get 95’s in the run game, as to a certain extent expected to pave the way (make holes) for the running game while in the passing game, are only expected to prevent pressure on the quarterback. So, an O-line made up of players who score 80 or above would be a road-grading line; nothing like what our present line has performed like.
by karovda on Nov 14, 2009 11:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well said
Good plays are going beyond what is minimally necessary for the play to procede. Bad plays involve being beaten in some way, whether it impacts the play adversely or not.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
by Ron From NM on Nov 14, 2009 11:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
youre a man among boys ron.
Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!
by JPH on Nov 14, 2009 10:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm calling Ralph right now.........
……… and demanding that you get hired put into the film room and college scouting division for the Bills. I have his cell phone…………..
"A failure becomes just one time at bat if you refuse to let it defeat you." Marv Levy.
by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Nov 14, 2009 10:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I had Vincenza’s (smoking hot Jill cheerleader) number but it turned out to be the number for some kind of halfway house for recovering nerds.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
by Ron From NM on Nov 14, 2009 11:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Never trust numbers you get off the bathroom wall at an interstate rest stop :-)
"Are the Bills better than we think, or do they just suck the life out of most teams they play and drag them down to their level? - oompaloompa
by Joe P. on Nov 14, 2009 11:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If my story was true (it isn’t) you’d have to be impressed that she’d be able to size up the drooling idiot in question and hand him a specific card tailored to his personal goofiness.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
by Ron From NM on Nov 14, 2009 11:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe......but when someone comes face to face with a hot cheerleader
the majority of us turn into drooling nerds. I am sure our imaginary cheerleader hands out a whole purse full of those each day :-)
"Are the Bills better than we think, or do they just suck the life out of most teams they play and drag them down to their level? - oompaloompa
by Joe P. on Nov 15, 2009 12:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am in favor of the notion to move Wood to center and Butler to guard and then draft a right tackle, but where would the Bills draft the right tackle. Could they draft a defensive lineman in the first round and still pick up a quality RT in the second? Also, can Meredith be developed to be an option at all?
by tpsabres on Nov 14, 2009 11:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
to piggy back off The Irishman
I know you said “its too early to tell” but Ron, if you were asked to give the next regime your advice on the future of the o-line, who would you suggest they keep on the roster and who would say should keep starting? Anyone you would actively look to replace?
To me, the sucker is the person who runs when there’s trouble, especially when this situation was so easily foreshadowed….
by poz on Nov 15, 2009 4:32 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
That’s going to depend heavily on who is available in free agency—which also brings that whole capped/uncapped year into the mix—and the draft….which brings in the issue of the possible adoption of the rookie payscale.
Wood and Levitre are keepers, obviously. They’re high draft picks who have performed reasonably well and have tremendous upside.
Hang may not be the long term answer at center but he’s worth keeping. It’s possible that his play will improve. After all, he has 8 games in which to reverse the slide in his run game grades. At the very least he’s better than who Buffalo has had at center for quite some time—and part of the reason that the Bills don’t have as many runs for negative yardage.
Whether or not Bell is capable of manning the LT spot remains to be seen but he appears to be growing into the role. If he doesn’t improve then perhaps he’d work out at RT.
I’ve said before that I’m a Brad Butler fan and I’ve said before that I can’t see relying on him at any position on the line. He’s just too injury prone. I can see keeping him as a backup—which would limit his injury risk—and I can see having him start at RT while Buffalo gets someone ready behind him.
Meredith and Scott have yet to impress. Chambers was a solid backup swing tackle but had a terrible start to the 2009 campaign. I can see Buffalo keeping one of them, perhaps two depending on other line moves. For example, if the Bills bring in another interior lineman then Hang would go to the bench with Butler (when he gets hurt) and Buffalo would likely keep one of them (Meredith, Scott, Chambers) on the roster…and resign one of the guys who was cut when Butler went down with his 3rd season ending injury.
I hope that Buffalo acquires a tackle with another interior lineman (center or guard depending on where OBD wants Wood to play) being a secondary concern. If Buffalo gets a stud tackle in the draft then flipping Bell to RT becomes more attractive. Should Buffalo instead wind up with a second tier (It’s OBD’s way!) tackle then plugging that guy in at RT would probably make more sense.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
by Ron From NM on Nov 15, 2009 10:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
cool, thanks Ron!
With all the tape you watch your opinion is highly regarded in respect to this kind of thing.
I demand a full length opinion piece on this very subject at the end of the season! I know your a stats guy more than an editorialist but you can make an exception right ?
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
by poz on Nov 15, 2009 11:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Keepers IMHO
As starters
Bell
Wood
Levitre
Butler
As backups
Hangman (G/C)
Scott T
Meredith T
Draft a guard (2nd or 3rd round) or sign an FA
Move Wood to C
Keep Butler at RT
by freddyjj on Nov 15, 2009 8:41 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Incdedible dedication
This is awesome. I recently retired from the USAF after 26 years as an aircraft maintenance analyst, and would have loved to have you on my team. Great job.
Why do today, when it can wait til tomorrow; the games on!
by UtahBillsFan on Nov 15, 2009 11:06 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I’m guessing you’re not surprised to learn that my father was DCM at several Air Force bases…
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
by Ron From NM on Nov 15, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No kidding
Until the AF did their infamous reorg, we worked directly for the DCM. I have no complaints about any of the DCM’s I’ve worked for.
Why do today, when it can wait til tomorrow; the games on!
by UtahBillsFan on Nov 16, 2009 10:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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