Another fourth quarter meltdown: Titans 41, Bills 17
by Brian Galliford on Nov 15, 2009 4:07 PM EST
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The Buffalo Bills are one of the toughest outs in the NFL through three quarters. The Bills have played some of the better teams in the league - New England, New Orleans, and Houston among them - tough through three quarters, only to melt down late in the game. That trend continued for the Bills on Sunday against the Tennessee Titans, as yet another fourth-quarter meltdown turned a 17-17 tie after three quarters into a lopsided, hideous 41-17 loss.
Just about everything that could have gone wrong did. Chris Johnson was unstoppable, picking up 232 yards on on 35 touches with two scores. Vince Young hurt the Bills with his arm (17/25, 210 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT) and his legs (29 rushing yards). Trent Edwards showed some signs of life, but a late pick-six and a terrible second half got him benched in favor of Ryan Fitzpatrick (who had a lovely pick-six of his own on a ball that went through Terrell Owens' hands). The team committed another 10 penalties, including five false starts. Dick Jauron made yet another questionable sideline decision, declining a holding penalty that allowed Rob Bironas to kick a game-clinching 51-yard field goal with a little over three minutes remaining. That score put Tennessee up 27-17.
The meltdown undid some good work on Buffalo's part. Fred Jackson threw a touchdown pass to Lee Evans out of the Wildcat, one of two Evans scores on the day. Owens was actually a factor down the field (3 catches, 85 yards), though his attitude was... lacking... at the close of the game. Jairus Byrd recorded his eighth interception of the season, giving him an interception in each of the last five games.
Buffalo now stands at 3-6 on the season, and they've lost two straight games. The team's downward spiral continues, and from the looks of it, the folks at One Bills Drive are officially in "play out the string" territory.
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I’m so glad Fitzpatrick came in and saved that game for us!
by Leo Crow on Nov 15, 2009 4:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
What does the benching of Edwards mean?
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 15, 2009 4:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It means that Jauron has no idea what to do with this team.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 15, 2009 4:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Come on, man. There’s a lot more reason to think that than the benching of our injury-prone QB when the game is 3 scores.
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 15, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ya
like doing a QB sneak on 3rd and 1 with a quarterback coming off of a concussion
by WhiskeySierra6 on Nov 15, 2009 6:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i think Afghan is dead right
it means exactly that . Jauron is desperate and doesnt know what to do anymore.
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by poz on Nov 16, 2009 3:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly
I think that since the game was out of reach, he was trying to protect Edwards
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by willgarr15 on Nov 16, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The QB change by Jauron
should get him canned. I love that it didn’t do a thing to help the team. I feel bad for Edwards.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 15, 2009 4:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
HA! A QB change with <3 min. left in the game is what does him in? Be realistic at least.
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 15, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s hard to be emotionally realistic about anything with regard to this team.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 15, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I understand. I really do.
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 15, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh and I didn’t mean fire him tomorrow. Clearly the team’s best chance to win (HA!) is with him the rest of the way. I meant after week 17 is over.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 15, 2009 4:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think many people are in opposition to him leaving at the end of the year.
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 16, 2009 10:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought his decision to take the penalty and give them the field goal should be what gets him canned.
Well we tried the no offense huddle, why not give the no huddle offense a go?!!
by mavadjdj on Nov 15, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i like the call
3 plays earlier we stopped them, took the penalty and they converted a 3rd and 14. If we took the penalty i bet we would have given up conversion then the TD
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by Rudy916 on Nov 15, 2009 6:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It was the wrong call. The fact that he doesn’t think his defense can stop Johnson is besides the point. Bironas was kicking 60 yarders in warm-ups and barely missed the 61 yarder in the first half. If I was playing Defense for dicky baby, i’d have been pissed.
I have nothing left to say, these Bills have sucked me dry of any hope. Loosing to a team that completes 2-17 for 23y with 1 INT, that is beyond pitiful!
by keysh67 on Nov 15, 2009 7:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If I was playing Defense for dicky baby, i’d have been pissed.
Yep. Me too.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 15, 2009 8:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And if I was Dick Jauron and my defense just gave up 14 yards on 3rd and 12 I’d be pretty pissed.
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 16, 2009 10:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and barely missed the 61 yarder in the first half.
He fell a good five yards short. That wasn’t barely missed at all!
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by Kurupt on Nov 15, 2009 11:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
First of all how do you know for sure that he was 5y short? They didn’t say anything during the broadcast? Do they document this stat in the gamebook?
Second, 51y was way in his range.
I have nothing left to say, these Bills have sucked me dry of any hope. Loosing to a team that completes 2-17 for 23y with 1 INT, that is beyond pitiful!
by keysh67 on Nov 16, 2009 12:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well it’s not like Freddy was in the way back of the end zone to catch it, he was about halfway in.
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by UZ on Nov 16, 2009 12:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, not that it made Jauron’s decision any less terrible, but about halfway to the back of the end zone sounds right.
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by kaisertown on Nov 16, 2009 12:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually at the time I was agreeing with Jauron because I thought with the Defense Buffalo had it was more of a gamble to let them get the ball back on third down. In retrospect I really don’t know.
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by UZ on Nov 16, 2009 12:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It was a bad call. It was like flipping a coin to see if we lose, there was probably a 70% chance that he was going to make that kick, which means Jauron thought there was more than a 70% chance that they were going to convert on 3rd down even if we backed them up another 10y – pathetic.
I have nothing left to say, these Bills have sucked me dry of any hope. Loosing to a team that completes 2-17 for 23y with 1 INT, that is beyond pitiful!
by keysh67 on Nov 16, 2009 12:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
which means Jauron thought there was more than a 70% chance that they were going to convert on 3rd down even if we backed them up another 10y – pathetic.
Nah. It only means he thought they would pick up 10+ yards. :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 16, 2009 10:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea
It wasn’t just picking it up he had to worry about. Picking up 10 yards would give them the same kick while wasting precious time. Only picking up less than 10 yards would have affected it. And to be honest, Bironas drilled that kick so they would have had to hold them to about 7 yards at the least in my rough estimation.
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by willgarr15 on Nov 16, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How do I know?
I watched and from what I recall (could be wrong), Jackson caught it at the tip of the “A” in Titans, which is about 6 yards deep. Considering the crossbar is 10 feet high, I was probably rather kind in saying he was five yards short. He needed a lot more mustard on that ball.
When did I say 51 yards wasn’t in his range? Didn’t he prove it was? I agree with you that Jauron should have pushed them back. Letting Bironas kick a very makeable 51 yarder instead of pushing them back to the 39/40 yard line was not a smart move….
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by Kurupt on Nov 16, 2009 1:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can someone hit the FFWD button please......
kthx
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by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 15, 2009 4:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I am calling for
Jauron’s firing. A holding penalty to put the Titans out of field goal range and you decline it. WTF!!!!
Ralph Wilson could coach better.
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by Deadpool71 on Nov 15, 2009 4:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Actually, Ralph Wilson couldn’t coach better. He was the one who decided not to overhaul the staff.
This team is like watching SNL: It’s really bad, but somewhat humorous.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 15, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Head Coach Intern
I was at the game with my son (jph). He is a freshman at Vanderbilt (where they also play “DicK Jauron Football”.) He suggested that Ralph hire him as an “Intern Head Coach.” He says he could devote one evening a week to it from here in Nashville. I think it would be a step up.
by jpheff on Nov 15, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad about Vandy football......
but no one else in the SEC is in the same league as Vanderbilt academically. Congratulations to your son (and you) on his admission to a great school!
by Gino Parilli on Nov 15, 2009 6:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, I like SNL :(
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by UZ on Nov 15, 2009 8:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You mean three plays after the Bills let Chris Johnson pick up a first down on 3rd and 12? His defense was gassed. It’s a 50/50 proposition IMO.
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 15, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What are the odds of Bironas making that FG? 75% ? Dick took a 25% chance that he would miss that kick over putting them out of field goal range. Make them at least earn those 10 yds back to get them back in field goal range. Don’t just hand them a highly makeable FG for a kicker like Bironas.
by jmills3 on Nov 15, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Here’s what I make of that decision: I didn’t like it. I’d have taken the penalty. But I can hardly blame the man for having zero confidence in his team.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 15, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
...and they having zero confidence in him.
Can’t leave that out of your last sentence….
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by Kurupt on Nov 16, 2009 12:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that’s probably getting closer to absolute truth on a weekly basis, but that doesn’t really bear mentioning when talking about this singular decision.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 16, 2009 5:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That is true!
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by Kurupt on Nov 16, 2009 10:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Talk about not having confidence..
Bellicheat decided to go for it on 4-2 on his own28 with 2:08 left on the clock. He cost his team the game if you ask me, Indy had no more timeouts, why not punt it deep and make them earn it? Talk about being caucky and thinking that your offense is unstoppable?
I have nothing left to say, these Bills have sucked me dry of any hope. Loosing to a team that completes 2-17 for 23y with 1 INT, that is beyond pitiful!
by keysh67 on Nov 16, 2009 12:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I couldn’t believe Bellichick made that call. They got cute and tried the matchup with Faulk. If you’re going to pull that stunt, get it to your best playmaker. I was so happy when he didn’t show posession beyond the down marker.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 16, 2009 7:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Historically, a 50 yard field goal is 50/50 percentage wise. I wasn’t thrilled he declined but like Brian I wouldn’t have had a lot of confidence in my defense.
http://www.advancednflstats.com/2008/11/just-for-kicks.html
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 15, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s historically. Not Rob Bironas. Not saying hes the best kicker ever or right now. But he is an above average kicker and his chance of making that was above 50%. Your chances are better pushing them back 10 yds. Because then they have to gain the the 10 yds back and also make the long FG. The chances of those two happening back to back is less than making the FG alone even against the Bills defense. Especially with the Titans offense.
by jmills3 on Nov 15, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/bironrob01.htm
OK. 62% You win. :-)
Plus I think the chances the Titans gain ten+ yards on that play are pretty high, too.
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 15, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't you rather force them to get that 10 yards?
Instead of just letting them line up for a very makeable FG?
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by Kurupt on Nov 16, 2009 12:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree
1000% with you K,
even though your nose is broken and your eye is swollen shut, and the odds of you getting knocked out are high… you make your opponent work for it…the rollover and take it approach is one that we have adopted and one that makes me sick. soooo what if they make those ten back? soooo what if they make the fg after that? if so, then they deserved to win….atleast we went down swinging…we can have pride that we fough them tooth and nail…if they dont get it then we still have a chance to win…maybe we should promote K to hc and then atleast we would have a fighting spirit again
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by Stabby Mcshank on Nov 16, 2009 2:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would. Jauron felt differently.
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 16, 2009 10:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So I guess this chart confirms that Jauron was illogical in settling for the 48 yard attempt against Cleveland last year.
Handing them the clinching FG attempt rather than giving your defense a chance to make a play and force a punt is not defendable. Sorry.
by Port Royal on Nov 15, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagreed with the decision but can hardly fault him for not wanting to put his failing defense on the field to stop Chris Johnson.
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 15, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn’t it his job to have confidence in his defense in that situation?
by gfbillsfan on Nov 15, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
His job is to do what he thinks gives his team the best chance to win in every situation.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 15, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Would just make more sense to me to push them back and take a chance that the defense makes the stop… Bironas is known for making long field goals…
by gfbillsfan on Nov 15, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
let them kick the field goal
How many years can we go without making the playoffs...eventually the odds go in your favor.........right?!?!?
by Rudy916 on Nov 15, 2009 7:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You mean three plays after the Bills let Chris Johnson pick up a first down on 3rd and 12?
Obviously the stakes were different, but it reminded me of Mark Ingrim in SB XXV.
by Pistol on Nov 15, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i think you let them kick the field goal.
they took the penalty earlier, and they converted the 3rd and 14
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by Rudy916 on Nov 15, 2009 6:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
T.O. has no interest in establishing any kind of rapport with this offense. Gannon was giving him crap all day over nothing, really. Dude was pissed because Cortland Finnegan was playing him dirty. But how you gonna play at like 50% effort with the game on the line?
by Leo Crow on Nov 15, 2009 4:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
T.O.
What a joke. I mean, what a joke. He shouldn’t be active for the rest of the season.
Play Hardy, bench Owens.
What a fraud.
I will say, it was a very entertaining game for 3 qtrs.
Great play call on there 1st TD.
by Michael_Necci on Nov 15, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It would be Steve Johnson, not Hardy. And you can’t bench T.O. You cut him or start him.
And how exactly does it make him a fraud? Was this reaction unexpected?
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 15, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
You knew exactly what you were getting with TO. Don’t sour on him after he does what everyone expected him to do.
by jmills3 on Nov 15, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
T.O. apologists. Awesome.
THIS.TEAM.IS.A.J O K E.
by Michael_Necci on Nov 15, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no one is apologizing for him but I’m not sure how you could expect any different. It has been his MO his entire career. And you know some of his points will actually be valid.
by jmills3 on Nov 15, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He is a fraud. He showed zero effort, he shows up his QB, and Steve Johnson was active today, HARDY WASN’T ACTIVE!
I mean your the guy w/ the links, and looks for the articles, I thought maybe you would know who is active and such.
Why do you have to start TO? Why? The Bills need to see what Hardy and Johnson can give them. Seriously, did you watch the game today?
by Michael_Necci on Nov 15, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Steve Johnson was active today, HARDY WASN’T ACTIVE!
That’s why Steve Johnson would start for T.O. before Hardy does. I knew he was active. Thanks. :-)
And if you bench T.O. he’s going to be even more of a distraction. You cut him or start him. Those are the two options.
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 15, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's time
To see if Steve Johnson and Hardy are worth keeping around. No sense fooling anyone into thinking there will be a playoff push. Start figuring out who can play and who to cut.
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by fansince83 on Nov 15, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But the guys in charge now won’t be making those decisions.
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 15, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
True, but they can’t coach like they’re getting fired at the end of the season. At least pretend you’re going to be around to see what happens.
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by fansince83 on Nov 15, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
I bet they all think they have a good chance of sticking around with Wilson calling the shots…..
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by Kurupt on Nov 16, 2009 12:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe. But they shouldn’t feel comfortable.
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 16, 2009 10:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Served.
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by NeverendingOptimism on Nov 15, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
fan reaction
to T.O. at the Titans’ stadium was pretty amazing. I don’t know if I have ever seen an opposing player subjected to more hostility. I am not trying to defend him just reporting.
by jpheff on Nov 15, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It was exactly like that when T.O. was in Buffalo in 2007 as a Cowboy.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 15, 2009 5:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah there were lots of incredibly negative signs bashing T.O. and Romo then.
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 16, 2009 10:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if i’m a safety, i watch TO at the snap. in one second, that tells me exactly what i have to do. If its a run play TO does nothing. He just stands there. I’ve never seen that out of a receiver before. Ever.
by quantumuprising on Nov 15, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He blocked in the first quarter. Ian Eagle and John Murphy both mentioned it. It was on a Fred Jackson run to the left. I know what you are saying, though.
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 16, 2009 10:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They need to overhaul the staff and players. Simply done. Please get Shanahan.
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by Deadpool71 on Nov 15, 2009 4:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Everyone seems to think Trent was pulled for performance reasons…..I disagree…..I think Dick just took out his starter when it was clear the game was over……the guy is recovering from a concussion—why keep him in when the team is down 17 late in the game?
by McGee24 on Nov 15, 2009 4:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
That is my interpretation. We’ll know more after the postgame presser.
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 15, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope….we’re wrong…..Dick said that “Ryan gave us the better chance to win at that point”
by McGee24 on Nov 15, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In the press conference? Really? Cause I think the exact opposite.
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 15, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Down 17 with a few minutes left? Awesome.
by Pistol on Nov 15, 2009 5:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Because he’s so accurate and dependable? Sigh.
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by WhyBillsWhy on Nov 15, 2009 6:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You keep him in because he needs to get playing time.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 15, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That prime sack time. No matter what he says, he probably took him out to prevent him getting clocked. He can’t take too many shots before it’s concussion no. 3
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by fansince83 on Nov 15, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Only one more concussion to go until Reggie Ray dies!
by quantumuprising on Nov 15, 2009 5:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well they better not play him next week then.
Or the week after. Or after that.
You can’t always be playing the worst case scenario.
by twoeightnine on Nov 15, 2009 6:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Right. So putting in Fitzy was saving Edwards so that the team wouldn’t have to eventually go to Fitzpatrick?! Head, say hello to this iron beam!
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 15, 2009 8:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
this game played out
almost exactly how i envisioned it. i was surprised by TO though. Usually he plays hard if nothing else and today he gave little effort. Towards the end of the game he was almost pouting on the field. I am kind of frustrated with this whole team, but mostly the coaching staff. What good does firing Jauron at this point do either? It is a mess on par with the ‘golden’ years of the Lions.
by drewzilla53 on Nov 15, 2009 4:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Trust us, the “fire Jauron” movement has long since turned into a “fire the whole damn organization” movement. THAT might have some impact.
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by UZ on Nov 15, 2009 8:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can’t wait to hear Jauron take the entirity of the blame for this disgrace…followed by zero consequences yet again. So it goes.
by Port Royal on Nov 15, 2009 4:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Never thought I would say this..........
Im jealous of the Bengals.
Pass the chocolate cake!
by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 15, 2009 4:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Realize this:
That’s an organization that stuck with a struggling coach.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 15, 2009 5:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s also an organization with a legitimate, NFL-caliber quarterback.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 15, 2009 5:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and a defense that’s quietly having a nice year
by sabre74kkn on Nov 15, 2009 6:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They have spent the majority of their picks the past threes in the first 4 rounds on defenders, at all positions
You eventually have to end up with a better than average D just due to sheer volume…
As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Fewell, common sense says to play UP on the line against the slant.
by WABillsfan on Nov 15, 2009 11:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They have spent the majority of their picks the past threes in the first 4 rounds on defenders, at all positions
You eventually have to end up with a better than average D just due to sheer volume…
As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Fewell, common sense says to play UP on the line against the slant.
by WABillsfan on Nov 15, 2009 11:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And Your Point Is...
Are you hinting that you think the Bills should stick with Jauron?
Do you even watch football?
Understand, that Lewis took a bottom of the barrell team and turned them into a .500 team pretty quickly before taking them to the playoffs. Two bad years followed, but you go ahead and tell me how Jauron’s record compares to Lewis’.
All well and good to swim against the tide of popular opinion, but you are merely throwing remarks out with NO basis in any sort of analytical reality.
hey – you know what, Chuck Noll was 1-13 in his first year.
Therefore, the Bills should stick with Jauron.
There – I’ve written your next post.
by Pruitt on Nov 16, 2009 12:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You forgot that Belichick failed with the Browns and started slowly with NE
We’ve heard that mentioned numerous times on here too
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by Kurupt on Nov 16, 2009 12:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The difference between those men and Jauron is that in their second head-coaching stints, they got quarterbacks.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 16, 2009 5:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i swear jeff dunham is behind jauron at those press conferences. its always the same routine.
by drewzilla53 on Nov 15, 2009 4:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
At least Walter is funny
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by Joe P. on Nov 15, 2009 5:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
we could get peanut to call the plays
I have nothing left to say, these Bills have sucked me dry of any hope. Loosing to a team that completes 2-17 for 23y with 1 INT, that is beyond pitiful!
by keysh67 on Nov 15, 2009 7:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I will agree to this only if we replace Ralph with Walter and let Jose the Jalapeno on a Stick be the GM.
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by UZ on Nov 15, 2009 8:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Put that stupid hat on Jose and you would never even know it wasn't Dick HeadCoach Jauron
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by Joe P. on Nov 15, 2009 8:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Johnson
How do we not gameplan defensively to stop their only threat on offense? Seriously, they have one player on their offense worth a damn and we let him gain over 200 yds combined. No other player on their offense is capable of the beating you on their own, but Chris Johnson is and we failed to stop him.
by jmills3 on Nov 15, 2009 4:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
There are some players that you just can’t stop, no matter how thoroughly you game plan for. Johnson is one of those players. He might be the best RB in the NFL right now.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 15, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
Especially after seeing Adrian Peterson get caught from behind, ball-popped, and horse-collard today…on 1 play.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 15, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree with you. Chris Johnson is something real special. They also have a great line and great play designs and when the QB can run like Vince can it also adds another dimension for a team that really struggles against the run like the Bills do.
I have nothing left to say, these Bills have sucked me dry of any hope. Loosing to a team that completes 2-17 for 23y with 1 INT, that is beyond pitiful!
by keysh67 on Nov 15, 2009 7:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you, but Vince Young isn’t exactly Fran Tarkenton in terms of speed.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 15, 2009 8:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s like complaining that your team didn’t gameplan for Adrian Peterson or Peyton Manning. Johnson had a huge game, but he didn’t singlehandedly beat the Bills.
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by kaisertown on Nov 15, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
even if we did gameplan for him ...
we’re both too banged up or if we were healthy, don’t have the type of defensive players, especially at LB to slow him down.
every team will lick their chops when they play us and if they’re smart run alot …
by sabre74kkn on Nov 15, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Johnson ran for 5.1 yards per carry which was actually his worst total in over a month. Of Tennesee’s nine games, Johnson’s yards per rush was his 4th highest (or sixth lowest). Those nine catches for 100 yards were big too. They gave Johnson the ball 35 times and anybody who thought this defensive personel was capable of stopping him on that many touches was kidding themself. The Titans had a great gameplan to get Johnson the ball in space on screens, option runs and those designed throws over the middle. Our LBs and DBs were wildly overmatched.
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by kaisertown on Nov 15, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No one thought they would stop him. He is a great player and is going to get his yards. But to let him gain over 230 YDs is inexcusable. Pack 9 in the box, have a player shadow him on 2nd and 3rd downs, gameplan against their strengths, dont just play the cover 2 the whole game and expect that to stop or slow him down. Be creative. Do some coaching. Make Vince Young throw for 300 yds to beat you.
by jmills3 on Nov 15, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know how packing 9 in the box stops him from gaining 100 receiving yards. Johnson didn’t beat the Bills by running up the middle. He beat the D to the sideline a couple times and did most of his damage as a receiver. He also weaved his way through traffic and broke tackles. It seemed like the Bills ran lots of man coverage to keep extra guys around the LOS and I don’t think they could have done too much better with the Xs and Os on defense.
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by kaisertown on Nov 15, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Really?!?
How many times did he catch the ball with no one around him? There should have been a man on him the second he steps out of the backfield. He killed us in space because there was on one on him immediately. Guys like him you have to smother, not give them the opportunity to evade you in space. He isn’t going to overpower you often.
He had a 132 YDs rushing and 100 receiving so he hurt us evenly. They did good on him up the middle and actually stuffed him for little or no gain a couple of occasions. But to see them just sit back in their Cover 2 zone and let him hurt you underneath is the frustrating part. The reason VY was able to scramble for a couple first downs and Chris Johnson got all of his yards underneath were because the LBs and DBs were dropping in their deep cover 2 zone.
VY only threw for 300 yds in his last two games combined, no point having all those people defending the pass downfield. They need to adjust better.
by jmills3 on Nov 15, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You're assuming the Bills have defenders capable of shutting down Johnson
They don’t. They actually didn’t do a terrible job against Johnson, considering he didn’t have any huge touchdowns. The Bills D is undertalented and slow. No matter how much they gameplanned for Johnson, they weren’t shutting him down.
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by Kurupt on Nov 16, 2009 12:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think they over did it with the cover 2. I thought they left Byrd alone in centerfield for the majority of the game and George Wilson spent a lot of the game pretty close to the LOS. I thought they did a good job of flooding one side of the field with defenders on screen passes, but it didn’t seem to make much of a difference. When you’re counting on Poz, Scott, Draft, Florence, Corner, Wilson and Byrd to stop a guy like Chris Johnson in the pass game, the Xs and Os only get you so far.
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by kaisertown on Nov 16, 2009 12:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Option
The Titans successfully ran the option play on at least 2 ocassions. I thought it was impossible to run the option against a pro defense? Maybe I just answered my own question.
by jpheff on Nov 15, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha, well played.
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by kaisertown on Nov 15, 2009 5:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
its impossible to run it as an offensive scheme – but when you only use it for a few plays, its as effective as anything else.
by quantumuprising on Nov 15, 2009 5:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s possible if you are willing to turn your QB loose with NFL LBs ready to clock him. Reggie Corner could have DESTROYED Young on that pitch. That’s why nobody runs it.
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 16, 2009 10:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am starting to look forward to the draft since the season is OVER!!!
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by Deadpool71 on Nov 15, 2009 4:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Starting? I stopped watching in Week 4, and started following Mocking the Draft much more closely.
You didn’t have to be Nostradamus to know how this season was going to play out. It’s like Three’s Company…you know there will be a misunderstanding with the landlord, you know the roommates scramble to cover it up, and you know all will be returned to the status quo at the end of the episode.
Kind of like the last several years in BFLO. I’m just eager for the upcoming overhaul, which will sucker me in for another season next year. You’re 2010 Buffalo Bills!
by T McGee on Nov 15, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
is it just me or do we seem to make no halftime adjustments?
How many games are you going to run a single back two tight end set as a 4 man rush blows up your protection. I would like to see some creativity out of the team. What have you got to lose? As soon as they scored the gimick play from the wildcat in the first i knew it was over. I was thinking back to the fake field goal again. They go to that well too early sometimes and then never give those ideas a second though. insanity.
by drewzilla53 on Nov 15, 2009 4:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
They make adjustments. They dial down their collective efforts.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 15, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha change the flavor of the gatorade. get dry clothes. you know.
by drewzilla53 on Nov 15, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
“Guys, I know you’re cramped up at this point. That’s nice because it shows you’ve run hard. Why don’t you all take the afternoon off.”
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 15, 2009 8:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Trent really lacks confidence…its almost embarrassing to say his a starting QB for the Bills but the again its not cause its fits perfectly terrible QB for a terrible team
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by Moe_frm_B_ on Nov 15, 2009 4:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
were keeping our quarterback tradition alive. How many have we had start since Kelly left?
by drewzilla53 on Nov 15, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Flutie would come back?
Well we tried the no offense huddle, why not give the no huddle offense a go?!!
by mavadjdj on Nov 15, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he still looks healthy in those mascot commercials.
by quantumuprising on Nov 15, 2009 5:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He lacks confidence? He was chucking the ball on intermediate, deep, and short routes today. I thought he played pretty well today considering the pressure he was constantly under. The pick six was probably the only bad ball he threw.
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 15, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
your dreaming as soon as there was some adversity….it was over for him, its becoming a familiar pattern
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by Moe_frm_B_ on Nov 15, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He played better in the first quarter but he did everything his critics have been complaining about. He took shots downfield. He hit a few passes around 10-15 yards from the line.
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 15, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But he wasn’t doing it enough. Sure, he took 2 good shots downfield.
He was still throwing 2 yard screen passes on 3rd and long and holding onto the ball for ages too long every play.
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by UZ on Nov 15, 2009 8:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok. Ripping Trent for throwing a screen is ridiculous. That’s a play-call that he is forced to execute a short pass. Also, on several checkdowns Freddy broke tackles and made big plays. Checking down is not a bad thing. When you do it every play it is. Yes, Trent broke down at the end of the game. But so did the entire team. he had worse blocking and the field was tilted against him with a huge deficit. That’s hard for even great QBs to succeed against. Let alone average ones coming off concussions with swiss cheese for an o-line. Trent had a pretty good game before the 4th quarter. Let’s not bash him when he played well. Bash the end of the game, but not the rest
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by willgarr15 on Nov 16, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
still wasn't making good decisions
He did a good job of feeling the pressure today but just kept running instead of looking downfield again. He still just checked it down too much. He has to learn to buy time in the pocket and still complete passes downfield. He should be able to do that by now.
by jmills3 on Nov 15, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He was running for his life half the time behind Andy Levitre playing LT. I thought he did just as well as Fitz when he came in.
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 15, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No one is going to defend the line and say they are giving him all day. But the moment someone gets pushed back into the pocket Trent gives up downfield and either checks down or takes off running. He needs to learn to just side step that and buy himself time in the pocket. You’re rarely going to have a perfect pocket, unless you’re playing the Bills, you have to adjust and deal with it.
by jmills3 on Nov 15, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Saying he takes off running gives him too much credit, since if he took off running he wouldn’t get sacked EVERY SINGLE TIME.
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by UZ on Nov 15, 2009 8:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But the moment someone gets pushed back into the pocket Trent gives up downfield and either checks down or takes off running.
Because you shouldn’t make the throw if you can’t step into it. I don’t think there were many opportunities for him to side step and throw, either.
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 16, 2009 10:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Side-stepping a rush like good QBs do only works when there is pressure from one place on the line. When the entire pocket implodes, there’s nowhere to go. Pressure up the middle is the worse possible thing for a QB becase as MRW says, you cannot step up into throws. And you can’t side-step the rush when the edges are caving in too. Watch Brady and Manning last night side-step rushers a few times, but when they made one man miss, there weren’t 3-4 more in their face too.
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by willgarr15 on Nov 16, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what about
the 2 horrible throws he made just before the pick 6?
by jpheff on Nov 15, 2009 5:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
One of those looked like miscommunication and the other looked like a bad throw to me. But I don’t know, obviously. One thing is for sure, TO has not got his head in the game. At all.
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by WhyBillsWhy on Nov 15, 2009 6:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The ones to T.O.? Have you noticed Lee Evans always turns inside on a curl but Owens always turns outside? Where were those balls thrown? Inside shoulder. Maybe Owens is turning the wrong way. They haven’t practiced together in three or four weeks except on Friday. Not trying to make excuses here but he hit Evans on a 10 yard curl early in the game with the perfect anticipation.
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 16, 2009 10:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
they weren't thrown inside shoulder
one was thrown 6 feet in front and to the inside of him, and one was throw 5 feet over his head out of bounds.
They weren’t out of sync, they were terrible throws. Actually, they were probably out of sync as well, but they were terrible throws, not inside shoulder.
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by JPH on Nov 16, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The one that was 6 ft. inside him was right where he would have been had he turned inside and not outside. He was three feet left of the cut instead of three feet to the right. I don’t know who screwed up, mind you.
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 16, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe
but if TO always breaks to the outside, shouldn’t Trent know that at this point? Shouldn’t he have noticed it on the play before?
The only way I can see it being TO’s fault is if he was told in the huddle, “break in on your next comeback” and didn’t.
not saying that’s not possible, but i think it’s less likely than trent being all over the place.
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by JPH on Nov 16, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s what I’m saying, too. One or both of them clearly screwed up. And let’s face it that either one of them are prime candidates. They’ve practiced one day together in the last month or so because of injuries. They were clearly not on the same page at the end of the game and at other points.
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 16, 2009 8:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lets try some street free agents at QB it really can't hurt..you might hit the lottery
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by Moe_frm_B_ on Nov 15, 2009 4:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
vinny testaverde available?
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by sabre74kkn on Nov 15, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it doesn’t matter it obvious now….we know what we have in him….nothing more then a backup if that and no I don’t want Fitzy either
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by Moe_frm_B_ on Nov 15, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
College basketball start up yet? Who’s going to the final 4? Who’s the cindarella this year?
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by fansince83 on Nov 15, 2009 4:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yes it has. There are plenty of SBN college hoops blogs. :-) nunesmagician.com is the SU blog.
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 15, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
GO 'EERS!!!
Gonna be a big year for WVU!!
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by willgarr15 on Nov 16, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
this is a lot of Qb's. It seems the only constant is inconsistency.
Season(s) ↓ Quarterback(s) ↓
2009 Trent Edwards (6) / Ryan Fitzpatrick (1)
2008 Trent Edwards (14) / J.P. Losman (2)
2007 Trent Edwards (9) / J.P. Losman (7)
2006 J.P. Losman (16)
2005 J.P. Losman (8) / Kelly Holcomb (8)
2004 Drew Bledsoe (16)
2003 Drew Bledsoe (16)
2002 Drew Bledsoe (16)
2001 Alex Van Pelt (8) / Rob Johnson (8)
2000 Rob Johnson (11) / Doug Flutie (5)
1999 Doug Flutie (15) / Rob Johnson (1)
1998 Doug Flutie (10) / Rob Johnson (6)
1997 Todd Collins (13) / Alex Van Pelt (3
by drewzilla53 on Nov 15, 2009 4:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
bflo
Stop chris Johson and make VY beat you. Well, looks like they didn’t take that advice very well. Good thing I’m not getting paid!
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by fansince83 on Nov 15, 2009 4:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Outside of 19 men in the box, some trained snipers and a few well-placed landmines…you’re not stopping Johnson. It’s not like they weren’t trying.
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and not even normal landmines. you need those bouncy (#*&ers that pop up in the air
by quantumuprising on Nov 15, 2009 5:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha. We didnt stop anything today. Only good thing is byrds streak goes on.
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by bflo on Nov 15, 2009 9:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I'll second that
It’s the only thing to watch for now, Byrd leading the NFL in ints, only to not be voted to the Pro Bowl because he won’t get enough write-ins.
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by fansince83 on Nov 16, 2009 12:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know its a damn shame because hes having an amazing season and not just for a rook. Hopefully he can get voted in by the players or something?
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by bflo on Nov 16, 2009 12:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Players and coaches are 2/3 of the voting. Right?
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 16, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I think the fan votes only go towards the starters and Byrd wasn’t going to beat out a guy like Ed Reed, Troy Polomalu or Brian Dawkins in a fan vote anyways. If Byrd makes the Pro Bowl, it’ll be because the players and coaches decide he deserves to be a reserve more than a guy like Kerry Rhodes. I can’t imagine Byrd not making the Pro Bowl in some capacity. Guys don’t pick off 10 passes and not make the team.
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by kaisertown on Nov 16, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well as long as he makes it.
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by bflo on Nov 16, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Let’s hope he picks off 10 passes. :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 16, 2009 8:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I've never felt as bad for Richard Jauron as I do right at this very moment......
its a shame really……….
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by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 15, 2009 4:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
don't fell bad for him fell bad for us we have to watch this stuff....I'm a fan for life he will only be here for another couple months
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by Moe_frm_B_ on Nov 15, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I guarantee no one feels worse about the way things are going then him..........
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by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 15, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure as hell hope so
He’s just not a good HC. It all starts with him and ends with him though. No one should be feeling bad for him. He has had plent of opportunities.
by jmills3 on Nov 15, 2009 4:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Theres nothing really left he can do to change things either......yet somehow he's got 7 more weeks of this season to get through.....
I would imagine motivating himself, let alone 53 guys and his staff has got to be tough for the rest of the way.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 15, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thems the breaks
of being an NFL HC. Why should we feel bad for him? Any of us would trade with him in a heartbeat. Any of us would love to get overpaid for being bad at our jobs yet still get to keep it.
I’m sure it is going to be tough for him. That’s the job though. Won’t be as hard as coaching the 0-16 Lions last year
by jmills3 on Nov 15, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he could be a hero and just resign now
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by dzil on Nov 15, 2009 5:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he has too much integrity for that. It would be abandoning his team.
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 16, 2009 10:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He might be in Buffalo alot longer than a couple months. Why pack up if no one’s calling?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 15, 2009 8:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I feel bad
for out of work guys from Chevy plants. I feel contempt for Jauron.
by jpheff on Nov 15, 2009 5:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In other news… the Florida Tuskers are 5-0 in the UFL and headed to the championship game vs. Losman’s Locos. Anyone want Jim Haslett for head coach? I bet he’d be willing to come back to the NFL. And he’s under 0.500 as an NFL head coach, so the Bills might be willing to hire him.
by Krenn on Nov 15, 2009 4:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I’ve heard worse ideas on this blog.
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 16, 2009 10:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder...
Where would DJ rank in the pantheon of bad coaches?
by gfbillsfan on Nov 15, 2009 4:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
From a record standpoint? Not that bad.
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by WhyBillsWhy on Nov 15, 2009 6:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he's not a horrible coach, he's a below average one.
As much as this team plays horribly some time, Dick will have them with a below average record at the end of the season, not a terrible one… Or he would have, if the entire team’s health hadn’t exploded.
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by JPH on Nov 16, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Draft position going to be worth anything?
Even though we need a QB IMO i don’t think a high first round pick this year solves the issue. I think we get an impact player and try to get a QB in the second. I just don’t think this QB class is that good. I feel like there is not a huge drop off between the guys (Snead, Locker, McCoy, Clausin, Tebow, Bradford). I think you get a real critical position and a stud and go from there. Any thoughts?
by drewzilla53 on Nov 15, 2009 4:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Totally agree
We definitely need a QB, but we need a lot of other positions that are higher priorities. I know QB is the most important position on the field, but there’s no point drafting a stud QB in the first round to play on a team this shaky. We have got some serious rebuilding to do. And it’s going to take more than the draft.
by Applsoss on Nov 15, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My early 2nd round QB prediction for the Bills is Tony Pike
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by Joe P. on Nov 15, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure Pike is a Round 2 prospect. Not in my book, anyway.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 15, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if the bills pick any spread quarterback its going to be a mistake.
by quantumuprising on Nov 15, 2009 6:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
making blanket statements about any player because of the system they play in is a mistake
Maybe Pike will not be a good NFL QB, but it isn’t because he currently plays in a spread offense.
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by Joe P. on Nov 15, 2009 6:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, his system is part of my issue with Pike. Zach Collaros, who will never pass as anything more than an extremely marginal NFL prospect, has stepped right into Brian Kelly’s system as Pike healed up and been just as productive. Pike looks like a system QB because of it.
There’s a lot to like about him, but he’s nowhere close to a sure thing.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 15, 2009 6:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no one is............
Pass the chocolate cake!
by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 15, 2009 6:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s another blanket system. There are sure things – they’re just much, much harder to find at quarterback.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 15, 2009 6:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Edit: blanket statement.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 15, 2009 6:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Or in the case of the Bills......
any first round draft pick………..period.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 15, 2009 6:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My point wasn't that the system he is in isn't a cause for concern,
it is that because he is in that system doesn’t mean he can’t grow beyond it if he has the tools. Granted Collaros has played well, but that still doesn’t mean Pike doesn’t have the tools to be a good NFL QB. Again, I am not sold on Pike yet, but he does bear watching for the rest of the season.
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by Joe P. on Nov 15, 2009 6:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, absolutely. He’s definitely got the tools to succeed. But you can say that about a LOT of quarterbacks. It’ll be interesting to see how he responds, and the Senior Bowl will be a particularly huge week for him.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 15, 2009 8:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, the Senior Bowl will be important for Pike
And, also that a lot of QB have the tools. JP had the tools too, and we know how that turned out. Unfortunately in JP’s case, the warning signs were there. He had a rap for being cocky and immature. JP was not a leader. We all hoped he would grow into a NFL QB, but didn’t.
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by Joe P. on Nov 15, 2009 8:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No it isn’t – ask nfl experts, spread quarterbacks ARE NOT ready to play QB in the NFL. They only have to make 1-2 reads, which are dictated by their coach, who calls the plays from the sideline. They don’t have experience diagnosing defenses at the line of scrimmage, etc.
Normally, i’d agree. But in this case, most spread quarterbacks are pretty much the same. That’s why most don’t work out. I can’t really even think of a good example of one playing in the nfl now.
by quantumuprising on Nov 16, 2009 8:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you’re talking immediacy – as in we need a rookie QB to start immediately – then yeah, it’s probably not wise to draft a spread QB. But if immediacy isn’t part of the equation, then the system really doesn’t matter. I think the latter point is what Joe was trying to emphasize.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 16, 2009 8:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes..... thank you Brian.
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by Joe P. on Nov 16, 2009 6:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
After all the drooling everyone has been doing on Bradford around here I’m surprised to hear anyone say that.
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by UZ on Nov 15, 2009 8:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pike was an early Heisman candidate before he got hurt
He looked good in his limited playing time this week and will return to his starting duties next week. If he finishes the year strong, his draft stock will rise to an early second round pick, IMO. I am not sold on Pike by any means, but he is a QB with potential that will be there when the Bills pick in the 2nd round.
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by Joe P. on Nov 15, 2009 6:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Pike
I like how he’s really big and tall and has a quick release I think he could be the perfect Buffalo QB because he has certain traits I think the team needs.
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by pasaluki on Nov 16, 2009 12:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed.....The Bills just have to make sure he is smarter than JP :-)
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by Joe P. on Nov 16, 2009 12:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kinda early
to speculate. We have a lot of needs unfortunately. QB, LT, LB, DE, DT. The list goes on
by jmills3 on Nov 15, 2009 4:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
If i’m running the draft for Buffalo, I pick LT, LT, LT… unless they draft a lefty QB and RT becomes more important.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 15, 2009 8:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
3 LTs????
Well, I hope we run left a lot :-)
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by Joe P. on Nov 15, 2009 8:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair, by week 3 the first two will probably be injured.
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by UZ on Nov 15, 2009 10:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL....can't argue with that :-)
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by Joe P. on Nov 15, 2009 11:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We’ll just go with an unbalanced line!
B-B-B-Byrd Byrd Byrd, Byrd is the Wyrd!"
by willgarr15 on Nov 16, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and he played for the bills in the early 80’
Rrrawrrrr, rrrawrrr like a dungeon dragon-Busta Ryhmes
by Moe_frm_B_ on Nov 15, 2009 5:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
FIELD REPORT FROM NASHVEGAS..........
Ahhh………………. There I was. Took my wife and my 16 year old daughter to her first game. Sunny, 70 degrees….. wonderful. Saw quite a few Bills fans around. Made some new friends.
Got good tickets for face value ($50) because there were about 15,000 empty seats (even though it was a "sellout’, lots of fans gave up on the Titans) Bills played OK initially…. offense showed some spark. POZ started out hot. Running game going for 5-7 yards a pop, Trent actually throwing it downfield a few times . Two nice catches by Lee for TDs. Byrd with another INT! There was even a McBusto sighting!
Then, late 2nd quarter, Trent starts to get pounded. Almost every play.
2nd Half……… Johnson is the only player on the Titans. He touched the ball almost every play, and we couldn’t figure that out. Even on passing downs, he would just waltz out of the backfield, with nobody covering him, catch a ball from Vince, and FIRST DOWN.
I thoroughly appreciated his TD where POZ and another defender hit him down around the 5, BUT DIDN’T TACKLE HIM, and he again waltzed in for the touchdown.
Ahhhcckkkk!! Puke! Barf!
And finally, only down by one TD and Titans driving, they get a penalty on 3rd down, which would have pushed them out of field goal range, but that crazy “cagey Dick Jaron” declines it, the kick a field goal, and we go down two scores. We got up and left. That was a horsesh*t coaching call.
By the time I got to the truck and turned on the radio, the complete meltdown had occured.
BARRRRRFFFF!!!!
Could’ve been a great day.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Nov 15, 2009 5:24 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I have to rec this.........I wasn't there, but I feel like I have seen this game before
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by Joe P. on Nov 15, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also was at the game.
I was in the super nosebleeds and the sun roasted me the whole day. Loved the view. There doesn’t look like a bad seat in the house at LP field. Fans pretty friendly there was alot of seats missing in the red area but all of the other areas were completely filled.
I’m greatly discouraged by the result but one person I won’t blame is Trent Edwards, who I felt played well took chances, had to deal with constant suffocating pressure, and I don’t think he would have been in position to throw the INT save how PATHETIC the defense played. To bench Edwards made no sense and just made the Bills lose by more points more later
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by pasaluki on Nov 16, 2009 12:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
P.T. Barnum & Bailey
There’s a sucker born every minute and they are known as Buffalo Bills aplogists. This team sucks and the draft won’t solve their shortcomings. It’s the same old story. Until they get some real football minds running the football team, we will continue to be the laughing stock of the league.
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P.T. Barnum didn’t coin that phrase, David Hannum said it.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 15, 2009 8:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Are we really the laughing stock of the league?
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by willgarr15 on Nov 16, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This team gives you nothing to feel good about
the coaching and decision making is horrible. It is so hard to be a fan because after watching them play it is hard to go on with your day. I hate how they make me feel every week. I cant help but feel excited at the beginning of games and completely depressed and angry at the end.
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by billsoferie on Nov 15, 2009 7:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
No Reason to Get This Upset
I mean, come on – how could anyone think this team was going to be a winner with the same losing coach, same losing QB, a new and inexperienced OL, etc. I get mad during the game but then forget it, since I expect them to lose most weeks, anyway.
I’m still upset over blowing our first Super Bowl, because we had the better team. But the recent Buffalo Bills? Forget it – expect them to look like crap and you won’t be as upset. This franchise is going nowhere, as chronicled here at Rumblings all year.
At least the Sabres are winning!
by ccthemovieman on Nov 15, 2009 7:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I have finally found some hope...
After each successful loss I feel more and more hopeful that there will be a complete overhaul at the end of this season.
As many know I have been on the negative bandwagon for a little while now. I hated the fact that Jauron and his coordinators had been retained last season and I knew this would be the outcome this year. In a certain way I feel vindicated. Actually, I am glad that they didn’t fire Jauron last season because the problem was deeper than just the coaching staff and hopefully Wilson will realize that and hire a proper football guy to bring this team back to respectability.
On a positive note from today, was I dreaming or did Levitre do a respectable job at LT?
I have nothing left to say, these Bills have sucked me dry of any hope. Loosing to a team that completes 2-17 for 23y with 1 INT, that is beyond pitiful!
by keysh67 on Nov 15, 2009 7:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
He seemed to hold his own. He didn’t commit any errors and didn’t give up any sack (did he?)
I have nothing left to say, these Bills have sucked me dry of any hope. Loosing to a team that completes 2-17 for 23y with 1 INT, that is beyond pitiful!
by keysh67 on Nov 15, 2009 7:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can't really single him out
but he was part of the offensive juggernaut that scored 3 points in the second half, could not run block and could not pass protect.
by jpheff on Nov 15, 2009 8:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The other huge advantage to losing it that it puts us much higher in the drafting order and whether people want to admit it or not, we need to get great athletes in the draft and providing our next GM with higher draft picks might give him the ability to turn things around a tad bit sooner. Last week I was suggesting that we might finish in the bottom 5 and many thought that I was crazy. After seeing Washington, Carolina & Jacksonville win, And then seeing the Rams, Bucs & Seattle put up a valiant fight, I feel that a bottom 5 finish is definitely in our future.
I have nothing left to say, these Bills have sucked me dry of any hope. Loosing to a team that completes 2-17 for 23y with 1 INT, that is beyond pitiful!
by keysh67 on Nov 15, 2009 7:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was actually cheering at the point of the Pick Six because I’ve hit the point where I’m just hoping they lose as badly as possible to really make Ralph look at what’s going wrong.
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by UZ on Nov 15, 2009 8:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would never question someone’s fanhood but how can you be a fan if you root against your own team?
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 16, 2009 10:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll go so far as to say
He wasn’t terrible. Respectable? That’s a matter of opinion and context. Compared to our o-line, he seemed like an all-star over there
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by willgarr15 on Nov 16, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d say he was respectable given the circumstances, but not terrible is a more accurate assesment if we’re ignoring that he’s a guard who had to shift out mide game.
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by kaisertown on Nov 16, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybin game stats
After the massive amount of cyber ink devoted to our number 1 draft pick last week I think an update on his performance today is appropriate. He was invisible. No tackles, no assists. I’m too old to be really patient so I need to rely on little things like be involved in a play or even show enough in practice so you get some real game time.
by jpheff on Nov 15, 2009 8:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think he saw the field that much..
by Leo Crow on Nov 15, 2009 8:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Curious
I wonder why he isn’t playing? Are they saving him for a big game? Waiting for him to get bigger? Waiting for him to learn the defense? Waiting for him to demonstrate either in practice or in a game that he deserves to be on the field regularly during a game? Whoops, I’m sorry; he deserves a complete pass because he is young and went to Penn State and it is an incredibly complex position to play.
by jpheff on Nov 15, 2009 8:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not a “complete” pass. Just a “he’s a bust!” pass.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 15, 2009 9:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
HOW DARE YOU BRIAN!
…….criticize Maybin. He’s the best first rounder we have picked since McBusto. Very sad. Our Dfense has sucked since Fat Pat left and we developed our genius plan of “athletic, fast defenders.” Are you kidding me? Put some big boys in there to crush the line and some LBs who come up and clean they play.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Nov 15, 2009 9:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Michael O' would have been a bad pick.
NOT!
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Nov 15, 2009 9:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What? You want me to criticize Maybin? Sorry, ain’t happening. Not until next year, at least.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 16, 2009 5:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Small criticisms can be made
We haven’t seen a single sign that Maybin will develop into an above average pass rusher. I don’t care that he hasn’t produced yet, I care that he hasn’t looked like he will ever produce.
This reminds me of Whitner as a rookie. Everyone wanted to believe he would develop into some amazing playmaker, but he showed NO signs whatsoever in his rookie year that he could do it. Maybin is fast approaching that with me. Luckily, he has 7 games to get more comfortable and prove he can help in the future. I really hope this lame duck staff gives him about half the snaps on D pretty soon. He needs the reps and we need to see him play.
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by Kurupt on Nov 16, 2009 10:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But the difference between Maybin and Whitner is that Whitner was consistently on the field and not showing that. Maybin hasn’t even had a good chance to show anything.
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 16, 2009 10:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They play different positions. Jairus Byrd is doing what we expected of Whitner. You don’t see many rookie DEs putting up gaudy numbers for a reason.
I’m all for lamenting the pick itself. I thought it was strange that Buffalo would go for a project-type player when they so clearly needed an immediate impact player, though I thought then – and still believe now – that Maybin will ultimately be the best pass rusher to come out of that draft class. So questioning the decision is fine by me. Claiming that the player’s career is doomed, however, is another matter entirely.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 16, 2009 11:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Great point...
and knowing our luck, he gets released after his rookie contract and ends up blossoming somewhere else. Gotta wait it out … agreed.
Plus under a potentially new management, perhaps he does better and as Marv Levy used to say, best thing about a rookie is that they no longer are one the following year.
And with the poster before mentioned “fat Pat”, that to me maybe one of the biggest blunders of this franchise the last 10 years (amongst many others) – not resigning Pat Williams.
But this Tampa 2 crap has … to … go … let’s actually get LBs and D-Lineman who aren’t undersized, under athletic and overpaid.
by sabre74kkn on Nov 16, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Going up against Chris Johnson & a scrambling QB… Maybin is not stout enough against the run.
I have nothing left to say, these Bills have sucked me dry of any hope. Loosing to a team that completes 2-17 for 23y with 1 INT, that is beyond pitiful!
by keysh67 on Nov 15, 2009 10:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That is a fairly substantial
condemnation given the significance of defending against the run in the NFL.
by jpheff on Nov 15, 2009 10:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am not the one who drafted the guy. I wanted to trade down and get Alex Mack or Pettigrew. My thinking was that Pettigrew would help alleviate the loss of Peters and could be a factor in the passing game as well. I found Maybin too small. There were a few guys that I liked in the second round.
I have nothing left to say, these Bills have sucked me dry of any hope. Loosing to a team that completes 2-17 for 23y with 1 INT, that is beyond pitiful!
by keysh67 on Nov 15, 2009 11:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, I know you were never
in the draft Maybin in the first round camp. 5 decades of frustration gnaws at you.
by jpheff on Nov 15, 2009 11:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I can’t actually remember seeing him at ALL except for when he went over to congratulate Byrd from the sideline…
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by UZ on Nov 15, 2009 8:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A new staff is coming
Whether we lose every remaining game or show enough spunk! to win a few more. I don’t want to see this team tank, I want the young talent on the roster to develop as much as possible, and I don’t want to get stuck with a top 5 pick and have to give megabucks to some rook who’s proved nothing.
by Leo Crow on Nov 15, 2009 8:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
There's good news, draft fans:
Tennessee pulled even with Buffalo. Way to go team!
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 15, 2009 8:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
So what happened?
Hey Guys, I had to go out after the end of the 3rd Quarter. What was the final score? Did we win? I sure hope DJ didn’t make a coaching mistake like not taking a penalty by pushing the Titans back out of Field Goal range. Hopefully we game planned for things like stopping Chris Johnson. Maybe force VY to throw into our defensive all star secondary. Geez, that would have been awful if that didn’t happened. Why you would think it’d force Ralph to fire DJ on the spot if we lost another winable game.
This just in: Orakpo now has 7 sacks on the season. I’m hoping someone who knows can answer this…. is there a great benefit to having Maybin play with his hand on the ground all the time? Will this move benefit Maybin (and the team) in the long run?
Thanx
by Moose68 on Nov 15, 2009 8:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Strength and Conditioning
I know we’ve spoken a lot about our light (cupcake, player-friendly, etc.) training camp before…. hypothesizing that it leads to our repetitive injury problem. But just reading Brian’s article title reminded me again of Jason Peters’ comments about running windsprints at the end of an Eagles practice, and how he never once did that in Buffalo. Fourth quarter meltdowns can also be interpreted as having poor conditioning, which I believe we do.
Just take a look at Iowa, they are a slightly above average football team with unbelievable strength and conditioning and have all these 4th quarter comeback victories. Kirk Ferentz is this first one to give his S&C coach props and they almost pulled off another late game comeback this weekend against a more skilled Ohio State.
To me this is just another source of frustration and highlights the problem is greater than just the players and coaches. We need a complete organization overhaul.
by Harris on Nov 15, 2009 9:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Conditioning had nothing to do with the two INT returns for TDs. I also don’t think they had anything to do with the TD drive by the Titans’ offense or the FG drive. Chris Johnson was better than the Bills defense and they kept getting hi mthe ball in various ways.
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 16, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
we are undersized and thin at so many positions – s & c benefits would be minimal at this point.
starting with a better type of player would make everything else, including s & c more effective.
by sabre74kkn on Nov 16, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what comes after depression
As if the game wasn’t depressing enough, the NE/Colts game makes you want to find a bridge to jump from. Just watched the backup tackle for NE – Vollmer – a relative nobody turning Freeney around like a top. We don’t have a first liner who could come close.
On the pro level, how can we be so far behind the likes of NE/ Colts in assessing talent? Their second/third/forth line players are better than a lot of our starters.
by fansince60 on Nov 15, 2009 9:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I believe it’s acceptance.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 15, 2009 10:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
added depression
was watching the brilliant play of Packers’ rookie Clay Matthews (26th pick in the draft) against the Cowboys.
by jpheff on Nov 15, 2009 11:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. But Clay is in a system that takes advantage of is his attributes. Have equally hard time watching Brian Cushing all year.
I watch the Pack every week (wife is a huge Pack fan) and am continuinally impressed by CM. He makes some mistakes re: containment from time to time, but otherwise, he is a high-motor speed guy who makes a lot of tackles and a few big plays to boot.
Orakpo has the good fortune of playing on a D where they double Haynesworth and Carter so he comes weak side an awful lot. I like CM and Cushing better than Orakpo as complete (re: first round) LBs.
by T McGee on Nov 16, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
as mcgee said, different system. they play a 3-4 …
by sabre74kkn on Nov 16, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Drinking
B-B-B-Byrd Byrd Byrd, Byrd is the Wyrd!"
by willgarr15 on Nov 16, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it’s called actually picking players at the right time in the draft and players who other teams covet.
Haloti Ngota was a player everyone wanted. Instead we draft Donte Whitner who would have been around in the late 1st early 2nd round. Same with McCargo. Possibly the same with Poz.
by sabre74kkn on Nov 16, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Huh? Poz was a second rounder. That’s where we picked him. McCargo was the last top tier DT prospect in that draft and we picked him at the end of the first. He was never my favorite player but they were running out of time to get a decent prospect so they pulled the trigger. Whitner is the only one they reached for and he wasn’t a second round projection. He was a mid to late first rounder.
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 16, 2009 8:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
T.O. was actually a good run blocker in Dallas
He would often behind the RB. He would also chase after interceptors.
by ym on Nov 16, 2009 12:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Just read
that in the last 2 games the Bills have been outscored 46 to 0 in the 4th quarter.
by jpheff on Nov 16, 2009 4:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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