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Ugh

Ugh. That’s how I feel about this football season. Just ugh. I don’t know what’s worse - the way this organization is run, or our nation’s Health Care System. Well, at least I’m not this guy. (If you want the video of it, just Google “Giants fan crying.” It’s got some of those nasty words, which is why I didn’t do the direct link thing.)

Anyway, here’s a few questions and some other stuff too…

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Props to MRW for constantly reminding everyone that it’s useless to discuss free agents until the league and player’s association figure out that CBAthing. I couldn’t agree with you more Matt. But that makes me think - will that situation have an affect on coaching vacancies and front office additions too? My guess is yes. I’m assuming some teams will be in a great spot if there’s no cap, and some won’t. Where do the Bills fit in here? If I’m a hot prospect coaching candidate or front office guy and I’m being wooed by Buffalo, how will the CBA affect me here?

Please, please, please - I get it already. Orakpo has big arms and 7 sacks. I get it. I get it. But can we give Maybin just a wee bit of slack? The kid is just a child. Even if he had signed on time (I feel my blood starting to boil thinking of the stupid agent holding him out), he wouldn’t have made much of a difference. In a sense, this pick was almost like the McGahee pick - you knew you weren’t really going to get much out of him this year. Would I like to see him out on the field more? Absolutely. I don’t care what he does, as along as he’s out there. Given where we are now, I imagine we’ll see him more. Can’t imagine a player in need of that first pro off season more than he does.

D-Bell. Next to Maybin, I can’t think of another player who needs more playing time. And now, he’s not going to get it. Early word is that he might be done for the year. I really expected him to start to see the light in the second half of the season. It would have been so good for the organization if he had been able to play until the end. We could’ve seen if he had talent and was worthbuilding around, or if the position needed to be addressed with someone else. Now, it’s still just a question mark.

I’m officially on the “trade Lynch” bandwagon. It’s a no-brainerthat the Bills will be moving in another direction next year with a new coaching staff. Assuming we’re looking at a 2-3 year rebuilding phase, what purpose will Lynch really serve? I think RBsare a dime a dozen. He’s a guy I see as very trade-able, and one who might have some worth. I hope he fires his agent soon, and hires Parker or Rosenhaus.

Speaking of Rosenhaus, what’s the chance he wants Owens cut soon? I have nothing against Owens (other than I don’t think he’s very good anymore), and was in favor of his signing in the spring. But he’s not part of the future here. You know he doesn’t want to be here. I have to imagine there’s a team out there who would like him for a stretch playoff run. Now I know the trade deadline has passed, but that was only between teams. Rosenhaus could promise to throw the Bills a bone in the future if they just let T.O. go right now. Just saying…

Am I the only one disgusted at Bud Adams? Now, I’m all for the middle finger; I use mine often, especially when driving. But, I’m not a public figure. I’m not receiving corporate welfare. I know he got fined a whopping 250 grr, but I still think it’s not enough. It’s not like he was being booed. And where was his right hand man? Every rich guy has one, right? Even Smithers would’ve told Mr. Burns to settle down…

I don’t care who you are - you almost have to feel kind of sorry for Trent Edwards. It makes me wonder if Jessica Simpson screwed up and put the curse on him and not Romo. One thing I will fault him on - what QB doesn’t know how to throw a slant? How did he get this far not throwing that pass well? I don’t get it.

What’s the over/under on how long it’ll be for Jauron to find another job when Ralph does the inevitable? I’ll say…not long. Guarantee he ends up somewhere as a consultant or assistant pretty quick. Also, I really hope no one is pushing Wilson to find “just cause” when firing Jauron just so he can escape paying him on the remaining contract years. That would be bush if you ask me. Jauronmay not have been a winner here, but he surely represented the team and the city with class. I’ll bet everything I own you never see D.J. doing an “Adams.”

If we’re going to get a new “football” guy to run the front office, and a new head coach, can we get new uniforms too? It’s not like these ones have been successful.

Over/under on season tickets for next season. This year was right around 54, right? My guess is they lose anywhere from ten to fifteen thousand. While I’m speaking of fans here, do you guys agree/disagree with what is supposed to happen in Cleveland tonite (fans in lower bowl boycotting start of the game)? I’ll admit, I’m wishy-washy on it.

How come I don’t hear any talk of a new stadium? I think the long term viability of the franchise depends on one. Throw it downtown where it belongs, near the waterfront. Make it multi-purpose. Build a shopping mall nearby (the Canadians will love that). Name the whole God damn water front after Ralph, with the premise in his will stipulating the team stays here no matter what. Seriously, the state almost gave Bass Pro 66 million. Who the hell is Bass Pro compared to NFL football?

Youboty’s done for three to six weeks, right? Was Sunday the last I saw of him in a Bills uni? My gut tells me so.

If there was more of a reason to let Hamdan go than that stupid video of him watching Wilson make a fake, long shot into a basketball hoop on the team’s site, then let me know. I can’t believe I wasted two minutes of my life watching that. Shouldn’t that dude have better things to do during the week? In my next life, I want that job.

Note to Byrd - stop with the “bird” dance after each INT. Your team is 3 - 6. You’re just putting a target on your back now. Save the dance for when your team is good. If you want to keep that dance, then add the “highway grounds crew flag waiver” dance to your routine every time you fill the wrong gap and a RB flies by you.

When the schedule came out, I was happy the Jets game was in Toronto. I absolutely can’t stand their fans at the Ralph. Then, reason settled in, and I was mad because it was yet another home division game shipped out. Guess where I sit now?

Some guys I want to pay attention to for the rest of the year, if they make it on the field:

Meredith, Johnson, Hardy, Nelson, Palmer, Harris, and of course, Maybin. Wood and Levitrewill be watched too, but I think they’re both safe no matter who comes in next.

Brian’s got a great group running that college scouting group. Can you guys start to pump out more than one column a week? I know that’s a lot to ask, especially coming from a guy whose only contribution to the site was interviewing a guy who wasn’t drafted, but it’d be appreciated. I’m sick of playing with Draft Tek already…

I think Belichick is a db. That’s probably only because I’m jealous he’s not our coach. He caught a lot of flack today for that 4th down call last night. I didn’t think it was such a bad move. At first I thought it was really arrogant, and didn’t say much for his defense. But if they would have converted (and they should have converted), he’d again be looking like the evil genius he is.

I have Chris Johnson on my money FF team. Talk about conflicting feelings watching him yesterday.

Here’s a weird question. Let’s say I’m a young (ha!) and upcoming (haha!) front office type person. Let’s say I do a lot of scouting. I use the teams communication devices (phones/laptops). I keep notebooks and journals in my office on the team’s facility. Then I’m offered a job withanother organization. Where are the lines of proprietary intelligence drawn? Am I allowed to take all of the information I’ve gathered, and bring that with me to another job, or is all of that gathered information property of the team?

I really wish they would have beaten Miami to the punch on Tyler Thigpen. He has some talent. QB talent in the league is low if you ask me. Instead, we keep a 3rd stringer making you tube blooper videos.

Why do some people keep wishing they lose out? I don’t understand that at all. I’m not even talking about being loyal to your team and the like. I’m talking about staying out of the top ten in the draft. No matter what happens with the next CBA, I think (and I could be very wrong here) that next years draft won’t be affected much. Basically, I don’t see a rookie slotting system implemented for the 2010 class. You can rebuild your team without drafting in the top ten. Fiscally speaking, it’s so much safer to do so.

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Aaaaagh......a good ole fashion krytime mind dump ;-)

I agree on Maybin. Bad pick for this coaching staff, but should be a good player for the next staff.

Bell – He would have never seen the field on most other teams. Just goes to show what a mickey mouse outfit we have running things. We need to draft another 2 O-linemen in this draft. LT in round one or two.

I would trade Lynch if we can get value for him. What do you think he is worth? Given the fact he is one incident away from serious “time off”, I am not sure we can get much for him.

Cut T.O……..Adams can keep his money, make him give us a 5th round draft pick………Edwards is Jeff George without the big arm……Jauron will make a great high school football coach…….new coaching staff means new uniforms anyway.

Season tickets sales for next year will depend largely on the off season moves, especially who is hired as the HC. If they keep Jauron, I would bet 50% loss in ticket sales. As far as the Browns sit-out idea goes….the tickets have been bought already. Money talks…BS is just missing an “i” and 2 "l"s.

Even NY politicians are not dumb enough to build a new stadium for an owner who might die any minute, only to watch the team be sold and move out of state. I bet they could sell tickets to people to watch said politicians hung from the goal posts.

Hamdan couldn’t interest me less. Maybe if he streaked through the Vatican I might pay attention

Yeah the Byrd dance is stupid, but if he waited until the Bills were good to dance he might break a hip.

Still hate that an AFC EAST game was outsourced…..could care less about watching most of these guys. Feels like watching preseason football without the hope they will get better.

We need to draft a superstar. Could be an LT, QB, or DT, but for a team as talent starved as the Bills, a top 10 pick is not a bad thing. I don’t care if it costs Ralf an extra pound of flesh.

"Are the Bills better than we think, or do they just suck the life out of most teams they play and drag them down to their level? - oompaloompa

by Joe P. on Nov 16, 2009 9:22 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

new coaching staff means new uniforms anyway.

Don’t get my hopes up please. This is the only realistic change I can hope for right now.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 17, 2009 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL – pretty much my thoughts exactly. When you go 0-for-a-decade wearing ugly uniforms, a change needs to occur. At the very least, it would help offset a likely loss in ticket sales.

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by Brian Galliford on Nov 17, 2009 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Oooohhhhh Nooooooooo

What if Jauron convinces Ralf that the uniforms are the reason the Bills are losing?????

"Are the Bills better than we think, or do they just suck the life out of most teams they play and drag them down to their level? - oompaloompa

by Joe P. on Nov 17, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope they go to the throwbacks full time.

"Play like hell and win." - Perry Fewell
"Matt’s pretty valuable to y’all. Cherish him." - BG

by MattRichWarren on Nov 18, 2009 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah the Byrd dance is stupid, but if he waited until the Bills were good to dance he might break a hip.

There it is!

Official ledge-talker-offer of the Buffalo Bills.

by WhyBillsWhy on Nov 17, 2009 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I can’t see trading a guy who plays as hard as Lynch. He was routinely carrying Titans 2-3 yards downfield yesterday. Keep in mind that he’s been running behind what can be most charitably described as a patchwork line.

I think I may be one of the relatively few who isn’t completely down on Edwards. No, he hasn’t gotten the job done. However, he also hasn’t exactly been given a fair shot at it either. All too often pressure is immediately in his face. I liked that he took—and hit—some 20+ yard shots in Tennessee.

Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner

by Ron From NM on Nov 16, 2009 10:22 PM EST reply actions  

I think I may be one of the relatively few who isn’t completely down on Edwards

I think I’m with you on that. There are not a lot of good QBs out there. He’s not the worst of the bunch…

Lynch’s off the field stuff scares me. He’s pretty close to getting a whoopin from Roger. I say ship him out as soon as possible. A new regime is not going to want to put up with that kind of stuff; they’ll have enough on their plate.

by krytime on Nov 16, 2009 10:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I usually follow the three-strikes-and-you’re-out rule. To me, I still think he’s worth more to us as a RB than a potential draft pick. I hope my opinion doesn’t change in the off-season.

Official ledge-talker-offer of the Buffalo Bills.

by WhyBillsWhy on Nov 17, 2009 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Edwards took the hits because he was to scared to move

I do feel bad for Edwards, but he is damaged goods……a dented can so to speak.

"Are the Bills better than we think, or do they just suck the life out of most teams they play and drag them down to their level? - oompaloompa

by Joe P. on Nov 17, 2009 12:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

He’s too scared to play effectively anymore. Even the best lines in the league don’t keep their QB upright the whole game. You cannot play scared in this league at any position, especially QB.

B-B-B-Byrd Byrd Byrd, Byrd is the Wyrd!"

by willgarr15 on Nov 17, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

On Lynch

I just wish that I could see the kind of effort he and Freddy give on every play out of the whole team. It appears (though I’m sure it’s not tre) that everyone else doesn’t care anymore. Lynch is blue-collar on the field and I would be hugely mad if they traded him. That being said, RBs are a dime a dozen and we should have never spent a first round pick on the guy. But he’s here now so let the beast feed

B-B-B-Byrd Byrd Byrd, Byrd is the Wyrd!"

by willgarr15 on Nov 17, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice dump

Who knows how the CBA issues will affect personnel hires. I just hope the Bills aren’t hampered in their search because of it. The last thing this franchise needs is to lose out on GM candidates because they don’t think they can build a viable team because of the stupid cap. I doubt any issues will be that bad. It’s not like Ralph won’t spend if he has to on players. It’s not like the new GM won’t be able to build a coaching staff and team via the draft. Minor issues, maybe…major issues, I’m thinking not really….

I was lukewarm on the Maybin pick. I liked the addition of a DE, but never really liked Maybin all that much during the pre-draft buildup. I think he can develop into a solid NFL player, but I’m pretty worried that’s his ceiling. I really want to believe in him, but I haven’t seen a single sign that he will be a great NFL player. Show us something Maybin!

I don’t know about trading Lynch. I’d like to see what he could do behind a decent or good OL, but I understand why trading him would benefit this team. It’s tough to rely on a guy who could be suspended for a long time with one more mistake. He’s also 23 and could bring us a couple of decent draft picks. I can’t imagine we could get more than a 2nd or 3rd rounder in the upcoming draft with a future pick, in addition. I also don’t know if Jackson is capable of handling the full workload now or for the next few years. If we had another promising RB on the roster, this move would make more sense to me, but we don’t. If he’s traded by the new staff, so be it, but they better get good value and make good use of the picks they get.

I think the Bud Adams thing is kind of funny. What exactly was he so mad about? Was this about Ralph voting against his move to Tennessee 15 years ago? Did Ralph say something recently? Was his flipping off the empty seats? What’s going on here?

New unis? I want the old unis!

No stadium is getting built until there is a new owner. Unfortunately, that’s probably really, really, really bad for the Bills in Buffalo.

It’s amazing any QB can’t throw a slant, especially at this level. I think his dart-throwing throwing motion for shorter passes is part of this. Having no confidence doesn’t help either.

I really want to see Nelson utilized A LOT over the final 7 games.

Here’s a weird question. Let’s say I’m a young (ha!) and upcoming (haha!) front office type person. Let’s say I do a lot of scouting. I use the teams communication devices (phones/laptops). I keep notebooks and journals in my office on the team’s facility. Then I’m offered a job withanother organization. Where are the lines of proprietary intelligence drawn? Am I allowed to take all of the information I’ve gathered, and bring that with me to another job, or is all of that gathered information property of the team?

That’s a good question. I’m sure the team owns all work done by its employees, at least when it’s done at the team facilities and on team owned computers. I know I’d have a clause in the contract stating my employees must do all their work on team issued devices and return those upon termination. I’d also bet the scouts and player personnel guys also keep their own files, or they should, in case they leave for another team. Who knows really…Maybe the teams just take back all their materials and files and let the employee walk with whatever knowledge they have in their head and on their own equipment? Maybe it’s just a part of the game that this information is lost when a staffer moves on, just like new information is brought in with a new hire…

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by Kurupt on Nov 16, 2009 11:56 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

The Kry-style mind dump, a Buffalo Rumblings staple.

Havn’t read the comments (I like to respond to these posts as I read them), so apologies for repeated thoughts.

Totally agree on Maybin. DEs take time and most come into the league two years older than Maybin. It is disappointing that he hasn’t looked better, but his rough start doesn’t mean much.

If Bell is done for the year, it’s a huge blow to the long term prospects of this line. It would officially put them at two starting offensive lineman that they can actually rely on for next season. If Bell doesn’t have time to prove he can man an OT spot, then I’ll probably change my mind about shifting Butler into guard and just leave Bell and Butler at RT and hope that one excels.

I’m down for trading Lynch. I’m not sure I would actively look to deal him, but I think your logic for doing so is pretty flawless.

What’s the over/under on how long it’ll be for Jauron to find another job when Ralph does the inevitable?

Assuming that at his age, Jauron doesn’t want to take a year off, I’d guess months before he finds a new gig. He might not be able to get a DC job in the NFL, but coaches will be lining up to give him a DC job in college or as a DB coach in the NFL.

I don’t think the Bills will have any problems selling season tickets. A new coach should lead to new hope and new buyers.

How come I don’t hear any talk of a new stadium?

Because our joke of a welfare state is bankrupt. There is no way that they could justify spending almost a billion dollars on Buffalo or the Bills. NYC is all that matters in this state. Bills fans should all be cheering for Ralph to ride out the poor economy so this team can be sold at a time where a new stadium and economic growth in WNY are somewhat realistic possibilities.

The Bird dance doesn’t bother me one bit. When he’s actually picked those passes off, Buffalo was winning or the game was very close. He isn’t out there dancing around after making tackles during the 4th quarter of a blowout like most of the league. He’s just a rookie having fun during a historic run.

Brian’s got a great group running that college scouting group

You bet he does! Seriously though, Brian has been flying pretty solo with the articles lately. God knows how he has the time to run that scouting group while running the rest of this blog and then having a life on top of that. We havn’t really discussed it, but I’m sure we will really go nuts with the scouting stuff once the season ends. We’re working out grading systems for our own Rumblings draft board right now. It’s going to be a crazy offseason around here.

Where are the lines of proprietary intelligence drawn?

That’s an excellent question.

I’m not a Tyler Thigpen fan. Decent back up, but I don’t think he’s any good.

Why do some people keep wishing they lose out?

I don’t get it either. I can only assume that it’s some combo of years of frustration and an irrational fear that Jauron won’t be fired.

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by kaisertown on Nov 17, 2009 2:34 AM EST reply actions  

good mind dump

but one problem:

Note to Byrd – stop with the "bird" dance after each INT. Your team is 3 – 6. You’re just putting a target on your back now. Save the dance for when your team is good. If you want to keep that dance, then add the "highway grounds crew flag waiver" dance to your routine every time you fill the wrong gap and a RB flies by you.

Seriously? Really? As if the team isn’t miserable enough now you want to find the smallest thing to dump on Byrd for??? Can’t you leave our one bright spot as a bright spot? Hes a kid younger than most posters here and he has EIGHT, count em EIGHT, interceptions as a rookie. I would be freaking bird dancing too! Good, dance on Byrd. If we have all given up on the season you can’t get mad if he does a Byrdman dance after his awesome picks – its obviously the one good thing we have going. We need MORE of that youthful, fun loving, in your face attitude. NOT LESS. This team needs personality, needs an identity. Rock on Byrdman, ROCK ON! Also, good, let him put a target on his back. The more they pick on him the more he picks them off.

D Bell is depressing. So so so depressing. I guess we need a tackle after all next year….

Please don’t trade Lynch….he runs hard. We dont block. We will be blocking well soon, young talented line. Lets not throw him away right when he can get good. If we are rebuilding we have a chance to compete with our stable of backs and if our guards become beasts. lets not do what we always do and trade away young talent. You say running backs are a dime a dozen but the reason we cant build teams is because to get a dime a dozen runnig back still requires using a 1st or 2nd round pick. Thats a hefty price. Xavier Omon and Wright didnt work now did they? How many great backs come out of the later rounds? Whats the percentage of backs taken then who work out as well as Marshawn? Maybe 30%? Lets not waste picks when we have SO many needs.

"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny

by poz on Nov 17, 2009 3:39 AM EST reply actions  

Teams get decent or even good backs out of the later rounds and undrafted free agents every year. Are they superstars? No, definitely not, but RB’s are found all the time in this way.

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by Kurupt on Nov 17, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the 2nd and 3rd round is the best time to get value for a running back. You get a guy who’s not hyped up as a first rounder, and hence pay him much less, and you get a guy who was probably starting and playing at a high-level school.

B-B-B-Byrd Byrd Byrd, Byrd is the Wyrd!"

by willgarr15 on Nov 17, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. You can find good late rounders, but the 3rd round tends to be loaded with guys who could produce like a late first rounder would. I think a 2nd rounder is too valuable to use it on a RB, but the 3rd or early 4th is where it’s at. Another thing to consider is that RB is an instant impact position, so you can build a team and then add an RB later.

3rd/4th round RBs drafted recently:
2009
Shonn Greene, Glen Coffee, Mike Goodson
2008
Kevin Smith, Jamaal Charles, Steve Slaton, Tashard Choice
2007
Lorenzo Booker, Tony Hunt, Michael Bush, Antonio Pittman, Dwayne Wright – maybe not the best year to grab an RB in the middle rounds
2006
Brian Calhoun, Jerrious Norwood, Michael Robinson, Leon Washington
2005
Frank Gore, Vernand Morency, Ryan Moats, Maurice Clarett-haha, Marion Barber, Brandon Jacobs, Ciatrick Fason

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by kaisertown on Nov 18, 2009 3:15 AM EST up reply actions  

If I’m a hot prospect coaching candidate or front office guy and I’m being wooed by Buffalo, how will the CBA affect me here?

I get to sign anyone I want as long as I can afford it. They won’t have any restrictions. Plus they have a great posion pill being that they are the only team in New York State if they want to sign the transition tag players. I don’t think it changes anything, really. Big time players are going to get paid big time dollars but the pee-ons of the league, the grunts, are going to get severely hurt by this. Good idea for a story come January, though. :-)

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"Matt’s pretty valuable to y’all. Cherish him." - BG

by MattRichWarren on Nov 18, 2009 10:10 AM EST reply actions  

Over/under on season tickets for next season.

I guess it’ll be 48k or higher. Big changes will equal big hope IMO.

"Play like hell and win." - Perry Fewell
"Matt’s pretty valuable to y’all. Cherish him." - BG

by MattRichWarren on Nov 18, 2009 10:12 AM EST reply actions  

How come I don’t hear any talk of a new stadium?

The only reason the Bills are financially viable is that they don’t have a huge mortgage payment. NYS can’t fund that right now either. It will have to be a new owner that gets that done.

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"Matt’s pretty valuable to y’all. Cherish him." - BG

by MattRichWarren on Nov 18, 2009 10:13 AM EST reply actions  

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