Report: Bills to start Fitzpatrick Week 11 at Jacksonville
by Brian Galliford on Nov 17, 2009 12:19 PM EST
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NFL.com's Jason La Canfora, citing a league source, is reporting that the Buffalo Bills are expected to start Ryan Fitzpatrick at quarterback in their Week 11 game in Jacksonville.
Trent Edwards, the team's opening-day starter, was pulled in favor of Fitzpatrick at the end of the team's Week 10 loss to Tennessee despite a solid first-half showing from the offense. Fitzpatrick has been at the helm for two of Buffalo's three wins this season, though he has yet to throw for more than 123 yards in a game as a Bill.
For Edwards, this move represents the low point in a career that showed early signs of promise, but quickly fizzled to mediocrity. The Bills are 3-10 in the last 13 games that Edwards has completed. Edwards returned to the lineup last week after recovering from his second career concussion, but his return didn't last a full four quarters.
As we discussed this morning, this move likely has only one reason behind it: the team, and head coach Dick Jauron, appears to have completely lost faith in the third-year signal caller from Stanford. It's hardly a ringing endorsement of Fitzpatrick, and highlights the full-blown mess the team is right now.
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Ok it has to be said........
Clearly this is East Coast Bias…………The Yale guy picking the Harvard guy over the Stanford guy.
I blame the East-coast Sports Person Network
Pass the chocolate cake!
by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 17, 2009 12:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I get the reasoning....
But I am shocked. This season has been a year of different decisions made(No-huddle, AVP and now Fitzy).
All I can say is Let’s Go Buffalo…..
by MikeEverett08 on Nov 17, 2009 12:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Really what is it?
In all seriousness can someone provide a logical explanation for Fitz over Edwards besides W/L? I agree that it isn’t that big of a deal either way but the only thing I’ve seen out of Fitz is slightly better pocket presence, Trent seems to be better in all other areas.
by TJJ on Nov 17, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
logical reason #1
Noone on the team believes in Trent anymore.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
by poz on Nov 17, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Psst… I put the explanation in the article.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 17, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I see that, I just don’t understand how there is more faith in Fitz. I’d like to know what it is based on.
by TJJ on Nov 17, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
also, TJJ, that whole part about “Fitz over Edwards besides W/L” is a major piece – hard to debate that there’s a much more important stat than wins and losses.
by quantumuprising on Nov 17, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The turnover ratios in those games were so lopsided that it would be difficult to lose those games.
by TJJ on Nov 17, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
has he or has he not won games?
by quantumuprising on Nov 17, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s fine if you think that is what you should go on. I simply do not agree with the arguement.
by TJJ on Nov 17, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the reason is dick is trying everything he can to save his job. If it means fitz, it means fitz. right now fitz gives us a better chance to win. Trent is horrible, I have been saying it for three years now and everyone has been on my a$$ about it.
by csc06258 on Nov 17, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have agreed with you every step of the way. I never quite understood the logic that he is a smart QB because he went to Stanford. So freaking what!!!!!!!
by Billsfly48 on Nov 17, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
its nice to see someone agree with me, it makes me feel less insane
by csc06258 on Nov 18, 2009 12:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh and somewhere in Las Vegas.........
JP Losman is snickering…….
Pass the chocolate cake!
by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 17, 2009 12:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
until he looks at his paychecks.
by quantumuprising on Nov 17, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Prepare to snicker yourself.
UFL starting QBs get $200,000 for 6 games. That’s comparable to what Edwards is making this year for the number of games. (If Edwards had managed to not be Trent Edwards.) Plus he has absolutely no pressure on him.
by twoeightnine on Nov 17, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
uh, that is the point. “for the number of games.”
last time i checked, trent is being paid for 16 games. jp is not.
by quantumuprising on Nov 17, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He's still making $200,000 a year.
How about you? I’m not even close to that.
by twoeightnine on Nov 17, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hahah
that a boy!
I can do all things through he whom gives me strength. Philippians 4:13
by NCbillsfan12 on Nov 17, 2009 10:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
At least he has a shot at a title. More than anyone on this team has this year…
"I don't know how to explain it but we seem to find eachother on the ice and make things happen... Yeah. Pass, shoot, score... Yeah. Pass.. Shoot.. And score."
by bflo on Nov 17, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Give me proof that Eric Wood isn’t going to win a “Celebrity who most looks like that kid from Bad Santa” award, and I’ll agree with you. That title might be worth more than Losman’s.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 17, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hahahaha. you got me there :-P hes got that one wrapped up.
"I don't know how to explain it but we seem to find eachother on the ice and make things happen... Yeah. Pass, shoot, score... Yeah. Pass.. Shoot.. And score."
by bflo on Nov 17, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Or is a real life Cabbage Patch doll brought to life.
Please see:
Eric
As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Fewell, common sense says to play UP on the line against the slant.
by WABillsfan on Nov 17, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
good point.
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by JPH on Nov 17, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He is Ben Winkler
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by Kurupt on Nov 17, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
haha that commercial was funny.
"I don't know how to explain it but we seem to find eachother on the ice and make things happen... Yeah. Pass, shoot, score... Yeah. Pass.. Shoot.. And score."
by bflo on Nov 17, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
JP Losman might win the “Celebrity who most looks like that guy that Bob Barker beat up” award. However, Kyle Orton is hot on his tail.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 17, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Edwards' only hope now is an Alex Smith like arc.
Next coaches keep him as a back up and he magicaly climbs back into the saddle….its sad, I liked Trent, I think the media liked Trent – including the national one (PTI, MNF) – and he seems like a good guy. He just broke down. I dont want to look all the way back to kelly anymore. My new slogan “Man, I miss the Bledsoe era”
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by poz on Nov 17, 2009 12:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
They could be interrelated – sometimes the “nice” guys just don’t have the moxy or the fortitude in their personality to step up and be a bossman…i think sometimes you need a guy like philip rivers that is cocky to eternity.
by quantumuprising on Nov 17, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Or the stone like head to keep getting the crap kicked out of him
I knew he was in deep trouble this past game when Hangman started letting the DTs through the middle of the pocket and Trent started to have to run for his life.
That is the biggest issue, his pocket presence is shot since last season when MelPukeFowler started letting guys into his chops on a regular basis. Show me a QB who can take 13 straight games of constant hammering to the chin from 300+ pound guys AND 2 concussions and still come back slinging it.
I don’t blame Trent, I just wish he had been given a better line to protect him.
As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Fewell, common sense says to play UP on the line against the slant.
by WABillsfan on Nov 17, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My new slogan "Man, I miss the Bledsoe era"
Everybody kept saying that the Donahoe era was so so terrible. Now you are longing for it because this Jauron/Levy era proved to be even worse! This current regime has been awful.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Nov 17, 2009 1:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
its sad isn't it.
I dont want to go all the way back two decades into my memory banks so I’ll look fondly on 9-7 and 8-8 seasons….sigh…..
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
by poz on Nov 17, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and top 5 defenses!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Nov 17, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Still think Donahoe was a giant mistake. Nobody will ever convince me otherwise.
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by WhyBillsWhy on Nov 17, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not saying he wasn't
But people were talking about how much better this current regime was than the Donahoe regime many times during the offseason. I disagreed then and still definitely do now….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Nov 17, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it is sad
he just never improved and got over the hump. Blame the organization, the coaches, the scheme, the OL, etc. But for whatever reason, Trent clearly lost confidence and the coaches clearly lost confidence in him
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by MARVelous on Nov 17, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hahahahaha, Keysh should be happy, maybe the Bills really will lose out.
This is a joke. I threw this number up in the other QB controversy story: The fewest yards that Edwards has thrown for this year is 29 yards more than the most Fitz has thrown for this season. There is no way that this team can do anything other than fall face first into another lucky win or two for the rest of this season.
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by kaisertown on Nov 17, 2009 12:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
ya – this is officially the bottom of the Jauron regime. game over
Never put salt in your eyes
by J2 on Nov 17, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
I just can’t fathom how this team and staff can honestly have more faith in Fitzpatrick. Of all the QB’s I’ve seen play this year, Fitz is right near the bottom with the Gradkowskis and Russells and Quinns….
It’s just hilarious that this is where this team is at this point. I cannot believe anybody thought this year actually had a chance to work out with a desperate, lame-duck coach.
Good bye Jauron.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Nov 17, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Big 10-4 on the Fitzy thoughts.
I thought we had a shot this year if the line came together. It didn’t and we didn’t.
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by WhyBillsWhy on Nov 17, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually don't get this...
I can’t imagine that anyone, anywhere thinks that Fitzpatrick gives the team “a better chance to win.”
And I also can’t see any benefit to doing this because I don’t think anyone is optimistic that Fitzpatrick will be the QB of the future.
This is rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic at it’s finest.
by FrankL on Nov 17, 2009 12:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
first, no one thinks either of these two guys is the qb of the future. that’s the whole point to any of this.
And fitzpatrick has proved that, albeit ugly, he DOES give this team a better chance to win – he’s won more than edwards has this year.
by quantumuprising on Nov 17, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No point can't be the point
If no one thinks that anyone is going to really be better-than why make a switch at all?
And just because you’ve won doesn’t mean you’re better. Fitz happened to be in the saddle for two games that Buffalo won-it doesn’t make him a better rider. A monkey with a hat could have been back there and they would have won those games-and I’m not about to start a monkey in a hat.
…okay, maybe I would start a monkey in a hat-but that’s besides the point.
by FrankL on Nov 17, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently Fitzgerald inspires the other team to throw lots and lots of interceptions.
by Pistol on Nov 17, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Desperation
This move just reeks of desperation. After seeing Fitzpatrick play the better part of 3 games I’m not sure how anyone can come to the conclusion that he gives the Bills a better chance to win than Edwards. I am not the biggest fan of Captain Checkdown but he had shown promise last year and the biggest difference seems to be his confidence. This definitely isn’t going to help it.
by jmills3 on Nov 17, 2009 12:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Nope
This move just reeks of desperation.
I understand your sentiment, but I have to disagree. It reeks of stupidity, like so many other decisions this staff has made. What, we don’t already know what Fitzpatrick offers? Please…
If you want to send a message to Edwards, or it’s because he has lost the team, then give Hamdan a shot. He may be our backup next year. Can he be any worse?
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by ChipShot on Nov 17, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
we knew what he offered when we signed him. thats WHY we signed him. edwards was the only option this year. this is all about edwards. it has to be a message to him, thats all i can think.
by dav630 on Nov 17, 2009 12:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not really
this team is beyond desperation. Jauron’s job isn’t going to be saved by Fitzpatrick. The rest of the staff will be losing their jobs too. Front office personnel are about to be looking for new positions. And so on….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Nov 17, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What this article left out is the fact that whoever behind C needs life insurance because both tackles are back ups and whoever plays LT shouldn’t even be playing at RT. Aaron Rodgers prepare to be outdone in how many times you’ve been sacked!
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by Ghetts on Nov 17, 2009 12:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i'm glad someone is being held accountable for their performance
that’s the silver lining I can take from this decision. I think it’s the wrong move, but it does feel a little satsifying.
Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!
by JPH on Nov 17, 2009 12:44 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Agree
accountable for performance and leadership. As Brian pointed out, Trent had clearly lost the team.
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by can on Nov 17, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and if i could i'd rec again for the awesome Stuparism in your sig
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by poz on Nov 17, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
Edwards is being held accountable because he’s one of the few players who has a healthy backup available!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Nov 17, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what pisses
me off….is I would have gladly done the Cutler trade for what the bears gave up. We would have not gotten Maybin, Had Eric Wood, Levitre and Byrd, and have no 1st round pick next year, but we would have Jay Cutler, who regardless of what people think of his ‘babying’ antics, is one hell of a QB and perfect for Buffalo’s weather climate. Now, we have to overhaul it all, have no QB, and whatever new regime comes in has absolutely NOTHING at QB!~
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by MARVelous on Nov 17, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
MARV…last I knew Cutler was playing poorly and the Bears were nosediving. I know Cutler has ability unlike any Bills QB of the last 6 years, but I don’t know if he’d have fixed all these problems.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 17, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cutler also doesn't have any receivers!
We have Evans & TO.
They are hard to play but not hard to beat.
- Mike Lombardi on the Buffalo Bills
by Sluss88 on Nov 17, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
dude the bears
are awful! Their OL is wretched, their defense is decimated. I guarantee you Cutler is a good QB. What I’m saying is, is it just is nearly impossible to find a GM, HC and QB. I don’t like the Bills chances of finding all three
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by MARVelous on Nov 17, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Couple things:
1. The Bills didn’t have a QB to give back to the Broncos like they got in Orton (and the Redskins would have given up the picks too but the Broncos didn’t like Campbell)
2. Why exactly is Orton a franchise QB? Because he has a strong arm? He’s not exactly a top decision maker.
by Pistol on Nov 17, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bit of a surprise to me at least, but again what do we, or rather Dick Jauron, have to lose? The answer is very little.
I still believe Trent is a quite better QB than Fitz, but this is a very obvious move of desperation by Jauron to create any sort of sparkle from the abysmal at best offense. The chances of it igniting are slim to none imo.
by BillsfanfromDenmark on Nov 17, 2009 12:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
One thing I can say from going to the game on sunday
guys were open downfield all day. I mean wide open. that titans secondary is disgraceful. hopefully Fitz can start connecting with those guys.
Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!
by JPH on Nov 17, 2009 12:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i sure am glad we signed a good character guy who didn't have enough talent to create a QB controversy as our backup.
that worked out well.
Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!
by JPH on Nov 17, 2009 12:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
JPH IS ON FIRE!! REC"D!!
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by poz on Nov 17, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha
maybe i should fanpost while i still have a hot hand.
need to make up a strongly held opinion first though.
Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!
by JPH on Nov 17, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thats right
if you dont you’ll end up going all Losman and following up a hot hand with a game killing fumble!
(hey, its kind of fun to make analogies to all our terrible QBs. There have been so many!)
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
by poz on Nov 17, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, we did do that.
We just never imagined our starter would sink to below-second-string-levels
by quantumuprising on Nov 17, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah that was sarcasm.
always tough to do in print.
Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!
by JPH on Nov 17, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
actually, i’m pretty sure i saw that post when fitzpatrick was signed – that in all seriousness, he was signed as a backup that wouldn’t threaten the starting role
by quantumuprising on Nov 17, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, my point exactly
Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!
by JPH on Nov 17, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why does Hamdan not get a shot?
I understand hes a 3rd string but clearly Trent isnt the guy and I highly doubt Fitz is. If nothing else at least the fans want to see Hamdan and hell get him some playing time. Hes been sitting here watching both guys in front of him suck big time, hes got to at least want a shot at this. Or maybe not with the way we cant protect a QB…
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by bflo on Nov 17, 2009 12:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
yeah this really does raise the question
how freaking bad is Gibran Hamdan?
Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!
by JPH on Nov 17, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and why is he taking up a roster spot if he is so bad that he wouldn’t be given a chance.
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by can on Nov 17, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Because all teams with injury prone QBs carry 3 QBs.
by twoeightnine on Nov 17, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
for sure, but, as Joe says below, why not a developmental prospect? A QB that might have a chance of developing into something
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by can on Nov 17, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I asked that quesiton long ago when I was tring to figure out why the Bills didn't draft a developmental QB the past 2 seasons
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by Joe P. on Nov 17, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LEE EVANS' THEME SONG-
HERE I GO AGAIN – WHITESNAKE
Later Losman!
by rockybillboa on Nov 17, 2009 12:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i like that!
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
by poz on Nov 17, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lee Evans' favorite movie
Forrest Gump….“Dear God, make me a bird, so I can fly far far away from here, Dear God make me a bird….”
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Nov 17, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he throws on Foreigner's "I wanna know what love is"
and just stares at his Peyton Manning fathead.
Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!
by JPH on Nov 17, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha. I cant picture that… with maybe a tear going down his cheek too?
"I don't know how to explain it but we seem to find eachother on the ice and make things happen... Yeah. Pass, shoot, score... Yeah. Pass.. Shoot.. And score."
by bflo on Nov 17, 2009 1:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
*CAN picture that. damn no edit button.
"I don't know how to explain it but we seem to find eachother on the ice and make things happen... Yeah. Pass, shoot, score... Yeah. Pass.. Shoot.. And score."
by bflo on Nov 17, 2009 1:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Does he have candles on the floor surrounding the fathead?
I hope so
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Nov 17, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that tells you the story how bad Hamdan actually is. He really is just an emergency QB.
by jmills3 on Nov 17, 2009 12:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
well at least I WANT to see him. I dont want to watch this team with Trent or FItzy haha.
"I don't know how to explain it but we seem to find eachother on the ice and make things happen... Yeah. Pass, shoot, score... Yeah. Pass.. Shoot.. And score."
by bflo on Nov 17, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Now that we know who is starting this Sunday can we move on.
Lets start looking at our injury report, who will be back and who won’t be back. Who will be starting and at what position on the offensive line. See the direction here. The easy decision was made, there are much, much more here to worry about.
Keys: Will Ellison and Williams be back. Did Schobel make it through the game without additional aggrevation.
Will LeVitre play left tackle or left guard. Will Jonathan Scott be back, can Jarmon Meridith go this week. If Dick brings in a LT will they be able to play this week or are we forced to move Chambers again.
Let’s move on.
Excuses are a sign of weakness!!!!!!
by VanScottM on Nov 17, 2009 1:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
ok, confession time
i all of a sudden have a ton of energy and I realized why! My body is so overloaded by another team having failed to bear fruit that my brain is overcompensating by loading me up with energy and a good attitude. Its a defense mechanism! We get to start over all over again!! WHOOOO!!!!! This is the official stamp of “REJECTED” on the Dick Jauron team file.
Oh, the joys of being a Bills fan this decade! Start over!!!
ok, im done….just had to let it all out. Back to being controlled…..
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
by poz on Nov 17, 2009 1:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Thoughts
Obviously, DJ made this decision after watching the tape and seeing all that Trent missed. But does anyone think that AVP might’ve had some input here. Like “hey Dick, I don’t think Trent knows what he’s doing out there,” we should give the ball to Fitz! Dick being desperate agreed.
And of course, Trent might have told Dick he saw two of everyone out on the field, so Dick would bench him and he wouldn’t have to get hit all day…
They are hard to play but not hard to beat.
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by Sluss88 on Nov 17, 2009 1:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
2010 draft
Does this mean we are officially looking at a QB in Rd 1 now? At least this makes the far-too-early mock draft discussions a bit more exciting.
by Scott_P on Nov 17, 2009 1:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
We’ve been looking at that possibility for a few weeks now.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 17, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
at the “possibility”, yes… but can we say more certainly now that our 1st pick will be a QB?
by Scott_P on Nov 17, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No… it’s never a certainty.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 17, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but I’d wager now far more likely.
hopefully.
by BuffCrunch on Nov 17, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I didn’t ask if it was a certainty but thanks for the words of wisdom. :\
by Scott_P on Nov 17, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"a few years now"
~K
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by Kurupt on Nov 17, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
“for 12 years now”
Never put salt in your eyes
by J2 on Nov 17, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
they won’t draft a Q.B in the first round or the top 15, it would cost them too much money. Id rather see them try to make a push for Tebow if he falls, which I doubt. If he falls the bottom of the first or early second, Id trade for him. He has the most upside of any Q.B. His only “flaw” would be he starts his throwing motion from his hip, which can be corrected-see aaron rogers. I would take an O-Tackle with our top 10 pick and trade whatever need be for Tebow. Or we could just draft another Aaron Maybin with the top 10 pick
by csc06258 on Nov 17, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t get the “they’ll never pay for talent” argument. They traded up for Losman because they (erroneously) thought he was worth it. It’s not a giant leap in price from pick 15 to pick 22. Just because they haven’t picked a QB up in the first round since then doesn’t mean they’re not willing to.
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by WhyBillsWhy on Nov 17, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The argument is so flawed
that it’s not even correct.
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Nov 17, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I never said that they wouldn’t pay for talent, I just said I do not think they will pay for a unproven Q.B in the top 15 of the draft, never have, never will. So again, way to put words in my mouth
by csc06258 on Nov 18, 2009 12:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey buddy
Did I response to you? Did I say you said something? Quit getting so defensive about everything. You keep asking people to stop putting words in your mouth, but you know what? You do the exact same thing to others, over and over. Don’t be so thinned skin, man….
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Nov 18, 2009 9:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
they have never drafted a QB top 10. Look at what sanchez and stafford got paid. Do you really think Ralph would pay that much for an unproven player. I believe Losman was somewhere in the 20 mil range where sanchez and stafford were in the 50-70 million range, so yea it is a big jump from Top 10 until the 22nd pick. If you look at the price tags, they decrease quite a bit as you move to the bottom of the 1st round.
by csc06258 on Nov 18, 2009 12:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Could that possibly be because they've only had 2 top 10 draft picks since Kelly retired?
And while Donte was a reach, Mike Williams was supposed to be a franchise LT.
by twoeightnine on Nov 18, 2009 8:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know who I feel worse for – Trent for being put in a no win situation, or me (us..ok, some of us) for hoping that Trent would blossom and be the guy we hoped for.
I wonder how he really “lost the team.” I mean, I get the poor play and all. But it’s not like Fitz has been that much better. To me, if you’re a player and you lost the team, you must have been a db. I just don’t see Edwards being a db.
I have to think that some of this is concussion related. Maybe it’d be in the best interest for Trent if they just IR’d him. Give him four or five months to go get completely healthy, and give it a run next season under new coaching and with some competition. I don’t know. I really don’t know. I’m just flabbergasted the way this season has turned out.
by krytime on Nov 17, 2009 1:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
that makes two of us old buddy
just stick around this blog long enough so when we start winning we can look back on this season and laugh.
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by poz on Nov 17, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When we start winning again, we’re taking a blog field trip to Zihuatanejo
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Nov 17, 2009 2:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
But first we need to escape from prison, crawl through a mile of…stuff, find the box full of money, and then get down there.
the front office is so far behind they haven’t even been arrested yet.
by quantumuprising on Nov 17, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it’s because he just doesn’t throw to receivers open over the middle or down the field unless that was the first and only read. It’s tough to have confidence in a guy who isn’t confident enough to make NFL throws.
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Nov 17, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just don’t see Edwards being a db.
You should watch his press conferences : ) I’ve never seen someone so bad be so smug.
by thejimbo on Nov 17, 2009 2:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and this is why dick jauron is a terrible coach
by billsstein on Nov 17, 2009 1:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The inmates appear to be running the asylum here.
The sad thing is when Fitzgerald predictably falls on his face, like he has shown so far, they almost can’t go back to Edwards (unless it’s an injury).
I’d bet if Jacksonville didn’t attempt a forward pass the entire game they’d still win this week.
The only comfort I get from this decision is that it’s clear to me that Jauron will certainly be fired now, and if it’s ugly enough perhaps this week.
by Pistol on Nov 17, 2009 1:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Can you stop calling him Fitzgerald?
I really hope you don’t think that’s his name…
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Nov 17, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL!!!!! For a second, I thought Larry somehow became a Bill :-) It was a nice second.
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by Joe P. on Nov 17, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
is it possible, is it at all possible
that what happened isnt that Dick Jauron lost confidence in Trent but that Trent lost confidence in Dick Jauron?
Maybe Trent stopped listening to AVP’s playcalls or started ignoring Jauron on the sidelines and began trying to do his own thing, not believing in his coaches ability to lead his team anymore. Maybe Jauron is putting in the inferior Fitzpatrick because Trent has become insubordinate and no longer buys in to what he is trying to do. I know its a weird angle but it could explain going to an inferior talent. Maybe its not the coaches who don’t believe in Trent but Trent who doesnt believe in the coaches. Going to Fitz would be damage control on a mutinous attitude.
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by poz on Nov 17, 2009 1:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i doubt it, i think its just more of, “wow trent, you’re bad”
by csc06258 on Nov 17, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Great point
Like I said, maybe AVP made the call and Dick agreed to pull Trent. It doesn’t seem that Dick would pull Trent despite his flaws, knowing the love affair they share. I wonder if Trent said “bump dat” and did his own thang!
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by Sluss88 on Nov 17, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Doubtful
Trent: “Screw these coaches, I’m checking down EVERY play now”
I don’t think anyone believes in anyone on this team.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Nov 17, 2009 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe in Lindell and Moorman
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by can on Nov 17, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s as hard as I have laughed after reading a comment on this site in a long time.
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by kaisertown on Nov 18, 2009 3:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just a coincidence, I guess
Hmmmmm…….the first TO sideline blowup of the season, where he (and Josh Reed) are blaming the QB, and two days later the head coach has the QB benched!
It’s comforting to know we have such leadership in our HC position. Hey, maybe TO could be the head coach next year!
by ccthemovieman on Nov 17, 2009 1:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
seriously, good point, I was thinking the same thing. Trent has been a big disappointment. If he doesn’t feel a sense of urgency now, he better, because he won’t have a job next year.
by csc06258 on Nov 17, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Trent feels no sense of urgency
because he pisses his pants every other play………wait……you meant it in the save his job sense???? never mind.
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by Joe P. on Nov 17, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Brain injuries will do that to you…
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by WhyBillsWhy on Nov 17, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"He'll be back"
…when Fitz either stinks up the joint or gets injured. The move may be a bit of a boost for the team next week when the play the streaking Jaguars…but he’ll be on the bench or in the infirmary before long.
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by NJBill on Nov 17, 2009 2:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
This is getting downright !@#$%&* rediculous.
Fitzpatrick has done nothing to earn this start. Doesn’t this move by Jauron imply that he’s not happy with his performance? This situation feels exactly like what’s happening in Cleveland. Edwards (and Quinn) will never improve if they aren’t allowed to work out their kinks on the field. It’s not like he’s a rookie and overwhelmed. This stinks of Jauron out for no one but himself.
Yup, not happy.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 17, 2009 2:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Sad when not playing improves your standing with the coaching staff
Jauron is the pivot man in the circle jerk that is the Bills
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by Joe P. on Nov 17, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He's not Edwards.
That’s the only way he earned it. Just like in Cleveland. Did you hear Jon Gruden’s comments last night about how it’s essential for a HC to have confidence in his qb?
by Sixteenthback on Nov 17, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I did hear Gruden’s comments. I also understand that what Brian mentioned in the post is the reason behind the change. I just don’t like it and I think the team will struggle to find the fire to play lights out now.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 17, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was agreeing with you. I don’t like it either. However, for Edwards’ long-term career and health, I don’t know whether the move is for better or for worse.
Another thing Gruden said is, referring to Cleveland, “It wouldn’t matter who was back there” (behind center), that no qb could solve Cleveland’s offensive problems. He was exagerating, no doubt (better play an ANY position always helps, and especially at QB.) But his point was valid and would be even more apt for Buffalo.
by Sixteenthback on Nov 17, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh right, I knew you were. I was more or less expanding on why I posted the way I did, initially.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 17, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Edwards concussion was a cover up!
I believe Edwards was good to go the game after the Jets. However, since Fitz won, they gave us the whole thing about Edwards is hurt and blah blah blah. This proves to me that they wanted to keep Fitz in there. He beat the jets, than the panthers and than lost to the Texans. Edwards was def ready by the Texans. He looked fine in the interviews and was practicing. This organization lost their belief in Edwards when he lost to the Bowns. No one here can tell me that Fitz wouldn’t have won that game, I mean seriously, 3 points!!! I have seen too many games where Edwards fails to throw over 200 yards. Too many games without a 10+ yard throw and too many boring offensive performances. In no way is Fitz the answer for the future but I hate to say, I think he is better than Trent. Not by much, but they are both horrible Q.B’s.
by csc06258 on Nov 17, 2009 2:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I disagree with that – only because I think that teams should be doing this anways in regards to concussions. I think a lot of players come back too early.
I’m pretty sure in the offseason the league made teams look at concussions differently – I think they even have new guidelines now. so they were probably just following that.
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by J2 on Nov 17, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
true, they can be very serious, but the hit he took looked no where near as bad as last years. I just think he could have played a lot earlier but they were winning so they kept him on the bench. Going back to him proves this team is in the shambles again. They did this same thing with Trent and Losman.
by csc06258 on Nov 17, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but the hit he took looked no where near as bad as last years
I couldn’t even beleive he got a concussion from that – seemed to me that he might pull a back muscle or leg muscle or something. definately didn’t see concussion out of that hit.
who knows – at this point – who cares?
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by J2 on Nov 17, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yea could care less, said he was bad 3 years ago and was right again. No way he is the starter next year.
by csc06258 on Nov 18, 2009 12:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is starting Holcomb over Losman when the season was already lost all over again.
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by BillsNYC on Nov 17, 2009 2:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Fred Jackson is the reason for this move
If you recall Evans said he told Jackson to launch and put it out there, which is what Edwards is not doing with confidence. If Jackson can do it, then Fritz can.
Fitz seems to have more of a spine, worse numbers, but more spine. All Evans and Owens want is the chance to catch the ball and the team recognizes this.
I think Edwards will be fine in the league eventually, but this is a case of they have to win out and go with the person who gives them the best chance to win. The best chance to win is with someone who doesn’t over-panic and will thrown the ball out there and give our considerable skill people a shot.
by Ono on Nov 17, 2009 2:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Is there any chance (so you’re saying there’s a chance!) that maybe edwards took a shot or two during the game and is having some post-concussion issues that OBD doesn’t want anyone to know about?
by quantumuprising on Nov 17, 2009 2:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
this has to be the fastest a thread about QB's has ever been abandoned.
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by JPH on Nov 17, 2009 3:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully the new development undos this decision
Both QBs have been avert your eyes awful but Fitzpatrick is pure and simple untalented rubbish. At least Edwards moved the ball.
by Leo Crow on Nov 17, 2009 4:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
strong way of putting it but I agree
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