Bills add QB Brohm to active roster, release Hamdan
by Brian Galliford on Nov 19, 2009 8:06 AM EST
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PrintThe Milwaukee-Wisconsin Journal-Sentinel is reporting that the Buffalo Bills have signed second-year quarterback Brian Brohm off of the Green Bay Packers' practice squad. In order to complete the signing, the Bills released third-string quarterback Gibran Hamdan so as to have room for Brohm on the active roster.
Brohm was a second-round pick of Green Bay in the 2008 NFL Draft, selected No. 56 overall. He was the third quarterback selected in that draft class, behind Atlanta's Matt Ryan and Baltimore's Joe Flacco. One of the more prolific passers in the nation in his sophomore, junior and senior seasons at Louisville, the 6'4", 228-pound Brohm threw for 10,775 yards, 70 touchdowns and 24 interceptions. At just 24 years of age, Brohm still has a considerable amount of unrealized potential.
He was cut, however, after a 2009 pre-season in which he struggled mightily. He has been on Green Bay's practice squad ever since, and took Buffalo's two-year offer over Green Bay's similar two-year offer to join their active roster. Additionally, as the Sentinel also points out, Brohm's college center was one Eric Wood, now a rookie guard for the Bills.
Buffalo recently benched 2007 third-round pick Trent Edwards in favor of veteran backup Ryan Fitzpatrick. All signs point toward the Bills looking for their next franchise signal-caller starting this coming off-season, and Brohm is a young, talented player with upside. This is a smart signing for the organization, though it's much closer to a stab in the dark than an answer to the franchise's longest-standing question mark.
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Yes, this looks like another dagger
into the heart of Trent Edwards. I guess he’s close to being toast. Wow, did he get into the doghouse fast (or so it seems).
who cares
it about production and what you’ve done lately, which n his case is less than nothing.
Edwards will have the opportunity to compete next year on equal footing with the other QBs and may the best guy win.
I have nothing left to say, these Bills have sucked me dry of any hope. Loosing to a team that completes 2-17 for 23y with 1 INT, that is beyond pitiful!
when has edwards ever done anything productive on the football field?
The NFL is “what have you done for me lately”, but in Edwards case it’s “what have you done for me ever?”. Trent Edwards is a total flop. He’s a safe option as a backup though since he is so conservative with the ball. So he probably won’t go the way of the Losman.
by Polish Lover on Nov 19, 2009 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
No reason to keep Hamden around now, and really if the Bills release him and there’s an injury to a QB they can just bring him back (as I wouldn’t expect anyone else jumping to pick him up).
I don’t see this working out, but it’s certainly worth a flyer. I seem to remember that Football Outsiders where high on Brohm when he was drafted.
But i really liked "Hanging Ten"
The is a good move imo
"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-
Hanging 10
2minutes with Walker…
Ever notice that our useless guys do TV stuff. Message to the Bills FO, let’s concentrate on football and winning instead of marketing and entertainment stuff. Actually what I find the most entertaining is winning.
I have nothing left to say, these Bills have sucked me dry of any hope. Loosing to a team that completes 2-17 for 23y with 1 INT, that is beyond pitiful!
they seem to be more focused on their future as analysts than playing football
"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-
In Hamdan’s case, that’s probably a smart move.
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by WhyBillsWhy on Nov 19, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
....
2minutes with Walker…
That’s what sh…
I can’t do it
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
is that a sense of humor from K??
and for the record “HGAHAHAHAHAH”.
you have been so wretchedly upset the last few months that it is great to see you dropping jokes again my friend! Amazing what a Dick Jauron firing can do to a fan.
Is this the beginning of the return of hope for K? Because we all bore witness to your descent from jokingly serious about hating Chris Kelsay, to out right furious, to wanting to trash the whole team, to not thinking we could win anymore games. Are you climbing out of the pit of despair??!!
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
Wait, what?
I haven’t been upset at all. Maybe in small bursts, but I couldn’t get too into this season after that first stinker against NO. This was all so predictable! I’ve even tried to avoid posting negative comments, mostly because I wasn’t even that upset this year!
Hmm, I guess I don’t get my intentions across very well. I was never furious, never wanted the team trashed and never thought we’d win more than 5 or 6 this year anyhow. All I’ve had is humor the past 2 months, since there’s nothing to get excited about on the field!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I didn't notice anything out of the ordinary.....maybe I was being a crab too?????
"Are the Bills better than we think, or do they just suck the life out of most teams they play and drag them down to their level? - oompaloompa
hahaha
maybe all your exclamation points of humor were perceived by me as anger??
Or maybe I was so upset all the comments seemed terrible to me?
Either way, you can’t deny your feeling as chipper about a new direction as I am?
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
I use exclamation points in hopes of people not taking what I say negatively!!!!!
Not chipper yet. Talk is cheap, let’s see what happens when push comes to shove. As much as Ralph might want a Shanny or Cowher, I still have a hard time believing either would have much interest in coaching here under Ralph. Like Brian, I’m not big on the HC/GM combo platter either. I want a strong football mind leading personnel decisions for a strong-minded, tough HC.
I am thrilled that we will have new leadership though. It’s about time and LONG overdue….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Hulk angry
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Did you see all the articles talking about how Perry Fewell is making the team practice in pads FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE THE SEASON STARTED! WoW! No wonder Jauron’s teams suck running and stopping the run and are constantly getting injured!
by Polish Lover on Nov 19, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah. It’s i nthe morning links. Where this comment thread should go. :-)
"Play like hell and win." - Perry Fewell
by MattRichWarren on Nov 19, 2009 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
very subtle, Matt
"Are the Bills better than we think, or do they just suck the life out of most teams they play and drag them down to their level? - oompaloompa
Subtlety doesn’t always work. Did you watch Glee last night? THey explain that well.
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 19, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
I am not in the Glee club :-)
"Are the Bills better than we think, or do they just suck the life out of most teams they play and drag them down to their level? - oompaloompa
An interesting move
But Brohm’s been in the dog house since he arrived in Green Bay, hence being on the practice squad despite being a second round pick. The chances of him doing anything for us are pretty remote.
never underestimate what a change of scenery and a different system can do.
Sure, it’s a long shot, but in our case, I will never be upset at taking a shot in the dark and upsetting the status quo.
by quantumuprising on Nov 19, 2009 8:38 AM EST up reply actions
yeah but
Brohm is a huge upgrade over Hamdan. If the team continues to lose don’t be shocked to see the guy get a shot to start. It won’t happen for a while though since he is not a seasoned veteran and doesn’t know the Bills’ system.
by Polish Lover on Nov 19, 2009 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
Brohm is a huge downgrade statistically over Hamdan
G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Sck SckY Rate Att Yds Avg TD FUM Lost
4 0 32 48 66.7 427 8.9 1 2 1 7 84.3 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 Hamdan
4 0 39 62 62.9 300 4.8 0 3 5 29 54.5 6 6 1.0 0 0 0 Brohm
those stats have got to be out of preseason games, where the backs ups are playing with backups. Very moot point imo. Let him run with the first team offense, and see how the kid does.
"Security comes from earning it--not seeking it." Marv Levy
jup those are preseason stats, only fair stats out thereto compare them to each other. Gotta remember they are also throwing to backups.
maybe not knowing the system is an advantage :-)
I doubt we see Brohm start this season, and would be very surprised if he is more than the backup next year.
"Are the Bills better than we think, or do they just suck the life out of most teams they play and drag them down to their level? - oompaloompa
And seriously, how long does it take to learn “5 step drop, throw the ball as far as you possibly can down either sideline”
If it were that easy, JP would be in the Pro Bowl instead of playing for the Trainwrecks
"Are the Bills better than we think, or do they just suck the life out of most teams they play and drag them down to their level? - oompaloompa
i like it
can’t hurt and i’d like to see him on the field ASAFP to see what, if any, potential he has. i think its a smart move.
just makes you wonder
who the hell is running things at OBD? Jauron gone, who is pulling the strings??? Guy, Brandon, Ralph, Modrak, this is just going to be a tailspin of 7 games. I hope they just tank it at this point
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I don't see what the problem is?
We suck at QB and Fitz is not the long term solution and everyone knows it.
Hamdan is a joke
We might not get our hands on one of the top two QBs in the draft and the FA market is bare
This seems like a very smart move, upgrade Hamdan’s spot with someone that could actually compete and find his way on the field. It’s definitely worth a try. Personnel moves were controlled by Jauron so this makes perfect sense that it occurs quickly. Whoever was being overshadowed by Jauron is now going to try and prove their worth to the organization, what’s wrong with that?
BTW, I too hope we lose out to have a good draft position but seeing the team improve and get competitive would still be a big big plus.
I have nothing left to say, these Bills have sucked me dry of any hope. Loosing to a team that completes 2-17 for 23y with 1 INT, that is beyond pitiful!
Agreed.....been asking for this for years
It is called a developmental QB people. I am not blaming anyone for not recognizing one, as we have not had one here in many years:-)
"Are the Bills better than we think, or do they just suck the life out of most teams they play and drag them down to their level? - oompaloompa
well
Brohm is awful. He couldn’t even beat out Matt Flynn. I understand the organization’s method to this madness, but I just hope Ralph gets a GM in here pronto….the last thing I want is for someone else within the organization to start meddling with the roster and affect the long term vision of the franchise. How pissed must the Packers be that we took Jamon Meredith and Brian Brohm from them?
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That is why he is a developmental QB, Marv
He is not meant to be or challenge for a starting position this year or next for that matter.
"Are the Bills better than we think, or do they just suck the life out of most teams they play and drag them down to their level? - oompaloompa
yeah I feel ya
it’s better than Hamdan….
MARVelous - "I went from America's team to North America's Team" Terrell Owens
he's not so awful
that the packers matched our offer and brohm chose the team he will get a shot with! I like the signing although I think it’s the team trying to find some good back-ups!
So he's awful,
but yet the Packers are pissed that we took him from them?
by twoeightnine on Nov 19, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
Flynn played alright, actually
Brohm was bad, but Flynn played alright.
Mmmph rrgh prrmf! - someone with his mouth gagged
also a good move because
since he was on the practice squad, the Bills can just sign him without giving up anything to the Packers. They got a top prospect off of another team for nothing. Stupid of the Packers to leave such a good player on the practice squad.
by Polish Lover on Nov 19, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
lack of pro performance
generally means a superstar in college does not have his head screwed on straight. A change in scenery could be huge. The 2nd move i have liked all season, both in this week. I hope we do not get shanahan, cohwer or gruden would be much better. I really like cowher, he won rings with different Qb’s. It seemed that shanahan had really lost touched with his team the last few seasons.
he did? correct me if i’m wrong, but i think cowher only won one ring, with roflberger.
by quantumuprising on Nov 19, 2009 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
No, he’s won two rings – an AFC Championship ring in 1995 and a Super Bowl ring. The first was with Neil O’Donnell / Mike Tomczak; they beat the Bills in the playoffs that year.
Something tells me he doesn’t wear the AFC Championship ring as much as the SB ring though…
sorry, i can’t say i’ve ever heard anyone considering getting an afc championship ring “winning a ring.” I mean, technically it is, but that term is reserved for championships.
Easy example – how many people say marv levy and the bills won four rings? I have never in my life heard that, and i think its a stretch to say.
One thing matters: super bowl championships.
by quantumuprising on Nov 19, 2009 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
Do the Packers have any other recent draftees on their PS that we can rob? Kinda funny that it’s the same team twice.
It’s smart for the Bills to bring in as many young upside guys as they can so that these guys all show up to Bills training camp, where with a new coaching staff, everybody has a shot at the team.
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ya – we’re are, right now, in rebuild mode
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by J2 on Nov 19, 2009 8:59 AM EST up reply actions
I remember watching Brohm in college, he always looked good playing at that level. Only thing that worries me I think I remember him hurting his knee. But how can it hurt us at this point to let the guy take some snaps?
Didn’t Tom Brady hurt his knee? No, i’m not trying to compare Brohm to Brady, just that a repairable injury shouldn’t seal a guy’s fate.=)
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 19, 2009 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
Wasn’t sealing his fate, I really liked wathcing him even tho I’m a WVU fan and cringed when he played us. Just bringing up a point that I wouldn’t expect him to be running and hurdling, but to watch for a potential injury concern. He has a cannon. Look at Carson Palmer on that note also…
by IronEagle119 on Nov 19, 2009 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
Oh right, forgot about Carson Palmer.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 19, 2009 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
I like Brohm… even though he has looked terrible. It means change is coming, and change is good
Good Luck With Your Firings Mr. Wilson….Go Bills!
Trading terrible for terrible isn't really change...
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
But but but, its a DIFFERENT terrible, and that makes it shiny and new!
As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Fewell, common sense says to play UP on the line against the slant.
I also like the quick action at TE
signing Klopfenstein was a great move and I am not surprised that they want to stick with Levitre at LT, I found that he looked pretty good in the last game when he was thrust into action. Amazing how many changes have occurred in the past 48hrs
I have nothing left to say, these Bills have sucked me dry of any hope. Loosing to a team that completes 2-17 for 23y with 1 INT, that is beyond pitiful!
As always I defer to Ron on the line but I thought Levitre looked mediocre. I don’t know if we could expect any more from Chambers or Scott than that anyways.
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 19, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
I haven’t had time to break down the diaster in Tennessee yet. I’m kind of afraid to as it relates to Levitre. It’s kind of unfair to expect a guard to kick out to tackle and perform well in spite of never getting reps there. I’d much rather have seen Levitre stay at guard and gain experience where he’ll actually be playing. Of course, I’d much rather that Bell, Butler, Scott, Meridith, Scott (again), and Meredith (again) hadn’t gotten injured, too.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
If you're superstitious:
you’ll be hoping he dumps that #11 for good, even if Roscoe leaves town. That number has been bad news for every Bills player I can think of (largely, even Bledsoe).
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 19, 2009 9:44 AM EST reply actions
ESPN's Insider comments prior to the 2008 draft
Strengths: A drop-back passer with adequate height and good overall bulk. Makes quick decisions. Is tough and will hang in the pocket to buy his receivers extra time. Displays solid overall mechanics. Keeps the ball high and has a high release point. Release quickness is adequate. Shows excellent touch and timing on throws. Knows how to change up velocities and can hit his receivers in stride in the short, intermediate and deep zones. Knows how to keep safeties honest and is also adept at reading coverage. Does a good job of selling fakes. He will surprise you at times with his ability to make some tough throws on the run. He grew up around the game of football and he’s a hard worker on and off the field.
Weaknesses: Is a bit robotic. Locks on to his primary target at times. Some of his biggest flaws are seen when he faces consistent pass rush pressure (see: Rutgers and first-half vs. Miami in 2006). He tends to short-arm his throws when under pressure. Arm strength is adequate but not good. He lacks ideal mobility. He will make some impressive throws on the run but he’s not consistent in that department. He lacks the foot quickness to buy many second chances and he won’t run away from many NFL defenders. He will take more than his share of hits from within the pocket. Durability was a major issue earlier in his career and his potential to hold up in the NFL remains somewhat of a concern. He had surgery on his non-throwing shoulder in January of 2007. He missed nearly three full games with a thumb injury in 2006 and suffered a season-ending ACL tear in the 10th game of the 2005 season. Finally, while he’s competitive and works hard, there are some questions regarding his leadership skills he’s not overly vocal as a leader.
Overall: Brohm’s decision to return for his senior season will be second-guessed due to his team’s failure to meet expectations in 2007. From where we stand, the experience has allowed Brohm to showcase aspects of his game never seen before. First off, he has shown mental toughness in dealing with the adversity. Secondly, he has eased concerns regarding durability by remaining healthy despite taking a beating throughout his senior season. On the plus side; he is a smart, hard working pocket passer with very good accuracy and the toughness to hang in the pocket. On the minus side; he lacks ideal mobility, arm strength and leadership skills. Also, Brohm comes with some durability baggage. With all that in mind, Brohm projects as a first-round selection but we still think he has too many weaknesses to stamp him with a top-15 grade.
I have nothing left to say, these Bills have sucked me dry of any hope. Loosing to a team that completes 2-17 for 23y with 1 INT, that is beyond pitiful!
Kinda reminds me of Edwards…
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by WhyBillsWhy on Nov 19, 2009 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
In comparison, Trent Edward's scouting report:
Height: 6-4
Weight: 231
40 yard dash: 4.75
Grade: 65
Strengths:
Edwards possess the arm strength and has the size to be a starting quarterback in the NFL. He was a top prospect out of high school and has the intangibles to be a solid player. He has outstanding mechanics and a quick release.
Weaknesses:
It is difficult to accurately project Edwards, because he played with such an inferior supporting cast at Stanford. He was often injured playing behind a poor offensive line and did not have the playmakers around him to succeed. He does not throw the deep ball exceptionally well at this point. He must work on improving his reads as he did not get to play as much as you would like at Stanford.
Overall:
Edwards is more of a project then an immediate starter in the NFL. His workouts will go a long way in determining his draft status and he must prove to NFL scouts that he can stay healthy and make good decisions. The raw physical tools and intangibles are there to be molded into a starting quarterback, given time and the right coaching.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 19, 2009 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
that he can stay healthy and make good decisions
This scouting report was pretty bang on!
He still can’t throw deep very well, he is always injured and his decision making is iffy at best.
I have nothing left to say, these Bills have sucked me dry of any hope. Loosing to a team that completes 2-17 for 23y with 1 INT, that is beyond pitiful!
Just think if he had the time and the right coaching…
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Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
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by TearsofaClown on Nov 19, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
he had plenty of time
It bugs me out when people assume a young QB is better off holding a clipboard for years rather than getting snaps. I never bought into the whole “lost his confidence” thing either. He was given an opportunity and floudered. Period.
I will grant you, he didn’t have the greatest coaching (by any stretch of the term) but hopefully he’ll have another offseason/preseason with a competent QBs coach and OC and then there’s literally no excuse. He’s still under contract.
Please stop making these guys sound so fragile. They’re not. Some of them just SUCK.
in a salary cap era, no single unit (offense or defense) should be consistently sub-average for such a long stretch.
They do get snaps… in preseason. They’re is a reason to why coaches normally make the rookies sit a year or two, and it’s because it does help. You shouldn’t just throw a rookie that has to manage the whole offense on to the field, there is a learning curve and a big difference between college and pro.
And I don’t believe that anyone who can make a NFL roster “sucks”, they may be less talented then others to start but that’s about it.
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Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
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by TearsofaClown on Nov 20, 2009 1:23 AM EST up reply actions
This is so sad. Above, Joe P. mentioned that we haven’t had a developmental QB in a long time. Re-reading this scouting report reminds me that this is exactly what Edwards should have been. He got thrust into a starting role far too early (thanks to Losman) and now we are basically moving on from him. It’s too bad.
He was successful early, though. He made good reads and won some games. He went in for JP’s injury. Thank Wilfork if you are going to attribute someone to Edwards starting.
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 19, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
there is still time to coach him… for his sake, maybe he can get something out of the NFL… concussions a big set back though
Good Luck With Your Firings Mr. Wilson….Go Bills!
2 klonks to the head in about a year’s time is not good no matter who you are. I suspect it shortened Jim Kelly’s career by a couple of years.
Get the Bills back to the big game!
i think it was all the brain cells he killed in another manner that did it
by quantumuprising on Nov 20, 2009 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
RUMOR
Does anyone who has ESPN Insider care to share the 9:05 rumor about Buffalo and Sam Bradford? Its eatin me up.
I just clicked on it…doesn’t really say anything other than addressing the Brohm signing and saying that “if it doesn’t work out, there are a lot of QB’s in the draft”…then it lists Kipers top 5 senior and junior qb’s…
by Slick Shifty on Nov 19, 2009 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, and it painfully lists all of buffalo’s qb’s since jim kelly. ugh.
by quantumuprising on Nov 19, 2009 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
the 9:05 post is about brohm. It says nothing about bradford.
the post about cowher just says that he is “to be considered” by the bills.
nothing groundbreaking.
by quantumuprising on Nov 19, 2009 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
hey
is that the same as on the front page? cuz under “headlines” it actually says: how sam bradford goes to buffalo…… i can’t imagine thats only about brohm.
yeah, i see that link, and it goes right to the rumor page. I don’t know what its in reference to. They write this in the post about brohm:
If the Bills are encouraged by Brohm, perhaps he’ll become the strong presence under center that’s been elusive for so long (see the above list). If not, there’s a killer draft class of QBs in the hopper:
And then show that bradford is #1 on kiper’s board of junior qb’s. Thats the only mention of bradford, and its hardly a mention.
by quantumuprising on Nov 19, 2009 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
Hey, it's worth having a guy with actual upside in a situation like ours.
Trent is a shell-shocked as they come and I don’t believe he has the necessary belly-fire to learn from his mistakes and continue to improve. Brohm was incredibly productive in college, but he did get beaten out by Matt Freakin Flynn for the Packers backup spot. That’s not really saying much. We can only hope that they missed something with him.
there is actually one that says QB debate reopens in buffalo, and that could be it… from a few days ago. probably useless as well. i just wondered if anyone on espn was making a convincing case
if you can, my man, reply to the above posts instead of creating a new one.
by quantumuprising on Nov 19, 2009 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
Also, if we can keep the coach talk to the Shanahan thread from yesterday and K’s FanShot from last night, that would be terrific.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 19, 2009 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
No worries. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 19, 2009 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
Also, if we can keep the coach talk to the Shanahan thread from yesterday and K’s FanShot from last night, that would be terrific.
ya – it bothers me when people go off topic – like talking about video games – soooooooooo anonying
Never put salt in your eyes
ya – it bothers me when people go off topic – like talking about video games – soooooooooo anonying
LOL
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 19, 2009 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
I like it
We all know Hamdan and Fitz will never be legit NFL QB’s while Trent may never recover from zombie-mode. Maybe all the kid needs is to be reunited with his college center, Eric Wood.
most of my posts get deleted :(
That seems to be the Bills’ thinking. Given their long-term lack of success evaluating QB’s (since Jim Kelly retired), I’d remain skeptical for now.
Get the Bills back to the big game!
Still...
Brohm at least has pedigree, has shown good play in college, has the physical skill set, and is young and while the changes are still extremely small, has a better long term shot at seeing the field than Hamdan and a little competition to push Fitz and Trent is a good thing. Hamdan would never go beyond his role and it’s nice to see a shakeup.
To shed years of mediocrity and status-quo and complacency within the organization require little moves as well as big moves over a long period of time. This is just the start.
I like the move.......
sorry Trent…….I loves you……but you gots to go!
Pass the chocolate cake!
by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 19, 2009 10:55 AM EST reply actions
It’s official, folks: Bills have released Gibran Hamdan to make room for Brohm.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 19, 2009 11:10 AM EST reply actions
LOL........
Guess PF Flyer and Co. didnt care for Hanging 10 too much
Pass the chocolate cake!
by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 19, 2009 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
That scarf did him in.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 19, 2009 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
I think it was the ascot.
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 19, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!
Wait, who?
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
The questions I am left with are
So does Trent now move to #2 or #3 in the rotation? And are they only keeping Trent now in the hopes of trading him for a late round pick?
I was born in Buffalo, and NO, it's not a suburb of New York City
I think Trent is better than Fitz. You keep Trent and let the new GM & Head Coach decide. He would be a very capable backup and maybe next year in a new system with better coaching he actually starts to show improvement? Who knows? He’s cheap and still under contract next season so why not keep him as a backup and let him compete with who ever we bring in?
I have nothing left to say, these Bills have sucked me dry of any hope. Loosing to a team that completes 2-17 for 23y with 1 INT, that is beyond pitiful!
Trent stays at #2 until further notice. Brohm has an hour in the system. He was signed off the Packers practice squad whereas Trent was starting last weekend. I can’t imagine Edwards falls below him yet.
"Play like hell and win." - Perry Fewell
by MattRichWarren on Nov 19, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
Still Hamdan was the leading QB of the Bills pack during preseason
G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Sck SckY Rate Att Yds Avg TD FUM Lost
4 0 32 48 66.7 427 8.9 1 2 1 7 84.3 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 Hamdan
5 1 48 71 67.6 459 6.5 1 2 4 16 78.3 4 10 2.5 0 1 1 Fitzpatrick
4 4 26 38 68.4 189 5.0 0 3 5 28 46.9 3 28 9.3 0 1 1 Edwards
One thing you have to remember is that, Edwards and Fitz were playing against the first and second string while Hamdan was not.
"Did you feel you did well against Lindland?" "
Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
---Rampage
by TearsofaClown on Nov 19, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
Fine compare Brohm with Hamdan his stats then they played in similar situations
G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Sck SckY Rate Att Yds Avg TD FUM Lost
4 0 32 48 66.7 427 8.9 1 2 1 7 84.3 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 Hamdan
4 0 39 62 62.9 300 4.8 0 3 5 29 54.5 6 6 1.0 0 0 0 Brohm
Based on 60 attempts? Man I’ll take Brohm every day of the week and twice on Sundays over Hammy. And you’re going off preseason?
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 19, 2009 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
It’s the only fair stats thats out there comparision wise, but no I’m favoring Hamdan because of what he’s shown in NFL Europe.
You’re favoring him because of what he showed in a developmental league? Not interested. I’ll go by college. Brohm was lightyears ahead of Hamdan there.
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 19, 2009 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
You asked I answer, Hamdan was the best QB the Admirals ever had and they had Kurt Warner, Jake DelHomme, Jay Fiedler, Will Furrer, Shaun Hill to name a few. Just look at how many probowlers have NFL Europe experience and you’ll see that talent wise NFL Europe was serious business.
Will Furrer?
Ha!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Wow.
I never knew.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amsterdam_Admirals#Notable_players
Highest QB rating, season (113.4)
Highest Average Gain, Season (10.06)
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 19, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Why are people so down on Brohm. He played very well in college, should have been a 1st round pick but stayed for his senior year. Was a 2nd round pick 2 years ago… Obviously hes not going to get playing time behind Rodgers, so for people to critisize him for lack of experience and all that is just stupid. At least hes seen the NFL, seen how it works, knows what the film room and all that stuff is.. more than a rookie coming in. I say at least give him a shot. Not this week but I say, barring injurys, he should get some playing time this year.
"I don't know how to explain it but we seem to find eachother on the ice and make things happen... Yeah. Pass, shoot, score... Yeah. Pass.. Shoot.. And score."
I agree. I like this pickup. So much so that I did it in Madden last year.
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 19, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
haha. Well youre a year ahead of OBD. You lookin for GM position in the NFL by any chance? ;-)
"I don't know how to explain it but we seem to find eachother on the ice and make things happen... Yeah. Pass, shoot, score... Yeah. Pass.. Shoot.. And score."
Man I don’t know if I want the pressure. How much you paying?
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 19, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
we’ll have to talk to Old Ralphy about that one. haha
"I don't know how to explain it but we seem to find eachother on the ice and make things happen... Yeah. Pass, shoot, score... Yeah. Pass.. Shoot.. And score."
If it’s more than I make as a teacher, I’m all about it. I love teaching but… come on!
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 19, 2009 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
Haha so who do you think would be more of a problem the kids you teach or us fans? … gotta be us right? lol
"I don't know how to explain it but we seem to find eachother on the ice and make things happen... Yeah. Pass, shoot, score... Yeah. Pass.. Shoot.. And score."
Easily you guys. I deal with them 25 to 1. And I am bigger and smarter than them.
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 19, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
this signing is all politicing people
The Bills signed Brohm because they want a big name coach and big name coaches don’t go to teams that aren’t going to let them pick their own QB to build around or have young potential on the roster. The Bills signing Brohm lets the coaches know that not only are we putting a young, potential QB on the roster but that we are 100% ready for a new Qb and that Trent is in the past.
Its all about sending messages and we just sent the message that we are moving pedal to the metal into the future and are ACTIVELY seeking a young QB to help create our next coaches vision. This has nothing to do with Brohm and everything to do with image. “hey coaches, the Bills are ready for a total reconstruction now – not next year not over the course of a few years. Now. Come build the team you envision here”. I like it.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
Agree 100%
Also most people on Rumblings complain that we have no solid depth, well we just upgraded our depth. Now we just need 39807543 LB’s and OT’s and we will be set.
"Security comes from earning it--not seeking it." Marv Levy
Don't really agree
I don’t think Brian Brohm is going to entice a single coach to take this job. He shouldn’t even be in the back of any coach’s mind.
You don’t have to sign a QB off a PS to convey the idea that the team is ready to move on at the position and the coach will be able to choose his guy. I think any coach interested in this situation knows he will have to find a QB for this team. Signing a potential backup does nothing to change any of that.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Agreed
At this point, Brohm is backup material at best. I think it was a good signing. He has potential, but this doesn’t change the fact that the Bills do not have a legitimate NFL caliber starting QB on the roster.
"Are the Bills better than we think, or do they just suck the life out of most teams they play and drag them down to their level? - oompaloompa
Joe...
I gotta disagree… DJ was a QB killer. Did it with JP, and was well on his way with TE… Just lad he’s gone before we signed Brohm…
Yes, but the damage is done, right?
Maybe JP or TE could have developed into starters, but they got their brains scrambled and I don’t think that can be reversed. Reminds me of one of my favorite jokes
What is the difference between a pregnant woman and a light bulb?
You can unscrew a light bulb :-)
"Are the Bills better than we think, or do they just suck the life out of most teams they play and drag them down to their level? - oompaloompa
I was all for this....
When he was originally cut prior to the season… Brohm’s got upside, as I think Edwards still does, but let the new staff make that call… Whoever starts next year, Buffalo will finally have a competent back up for the first time in forever… DJ the QB killer is gone… “Ding-dong the Dick is gone….”
Besides…. Wouldn’t it be rather interesting for GB to have “wasted” a second for a QB that goes on to “great” things here? Anyone else remember another QB being called a “bust” in Atlanta a few years back, only to revive his career in GB? If Brohm works out for us, it cost us no picks in the draft… I’ll celebrate that if/when it happens….
I agree with everything but your assessment of Edwards
"Are the Bills better than we think, or do they just suck the life out of most teams they play and drag them down to their level? - oompaloompa
Favre was drafted by the Falcons.
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 19, 2009 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
Id like to see him start over Fitz the rest of the year
Fitz will never be a starter and i really dont want to win any more games anyway
"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-
When we're 3-9
I would be game for this. Play Brohm for the last 3 games. No reason to play Fitz at that point.
Mmmph rrgh prrmf! - someone with his mouth gagged
A lot of chatter over who's on first, what on second
But it really doesn’t matter until the O-line gets straightened out. Anyone taking snaps back there right now has about two seconds on average before he gets creamed…
Get the Bills back to the big game!
Colts fan here
but I followed Brohm in college very closely. He definitely has the ability to start in the NFL and has excelled at every level he has played at except for the NFL (thus far). He doesn’t have a huge arm, but is extremely poised and confident, athletic, and rarely makes big mistakes. I’d say his main problem is his ego, which is why I think he was sent to the practice squad in GB. He had a disappointing senior year (team wise), probably played the what if card about leaving after junior yr like many thought he should have, and continued to see his draft stock slip. He probably was shocked he was drafted as a backup to a guy who has many years left, and when the Pack drafted Flynn, I think it took him by surprise.
He’s never really had to fight for a spot, and has been pampered for a long time (Sports Illustrated cover as a Jr in HS). It probably sent him into shock that he actually had to earn something, and he wasn’t prepared for the challenge.
Though, similar to Brett Favre in Atl, this experience likely humbled him, and I expect if Edwards does not work out (seems to indicate that’s the way it’s going) and you all get a good head coach, Brohm can excel. It’s also interesting that Eric Wood was his center during his college career.
I always liked the early 90s Bills teams and hope you all can regain some prominence in the league. I think Brohm can be a steal for you all and be a piece of the puzzle that gets you all back in top form.
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